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Why should my Freeview reception change when I have not changed anything?

Why should my Freeview reception change when I have not changed
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From time to time people find that their Freeview box, integrated set (idTV) or Personal Video Recorder (PVR) has lost many channels without any apparent changes.

There are a number of factors to consider

Freeview is broadcast on digital multiplexes. This means that, once broken down into a stream of bits, each television channel is combined into a single transmission of 1s and 0s. This means that reception is of the multiplex first if this is lost it affects all the channels in the multiplex in the same way.



The signal strength received by the box or TV for a particular multiplex from a given transmitter determines if the data can be received or not. So, a poor signal results in no data, an adequate signal in perfect data and a low signal in either none or all.

Poor digital signal levels do not result, as they do with old-fashioned analogue television, in a sub-standard picture or sound. Poor signals often result in a perfect data-stream, but are prone to periods of no reception. Sometimes this will be for hours, but can also be several times a minute when caused by induction from fridges, freezers, central heating systems, two-stroke scooters, baby monitors and so on.

If you have lost ALL your Freeview channels

First disconnect the aerial lead from the Freeview box or TV set and reconnect it and then follow this reset procedure to scan for channels again. If this does not result in services being restored, check the Freeview transmitters page to see if there are any engineering problems with your local transmitter.

How to check all cables, connectors and aerials

The RF connectors need to be in very good condition to work. There are two general types:

Factory-fitted connectors are very reliable as they cannot easily be taken apart, but they can be damaged by wear and tear. On the female-type the central section is often composed of two parts which can often be forced apart, resulting in a poor connection you can push them back together if this has happened with a pair of tweezers. On male connectors if the central pin is damaged, you will need a new cable. If there are any loose partials in the connector, remove them.

Another problem with these cables is that quite easy to sprain the connector at the back which causes little obvious external damage, but disconnects the internal connection. This happens often when a set-top box is pushed backwards into a cabinet.

Hand made cables can also suffer from similar problems to factory made ones and they are also prone to accidental damage from a cable being pulled. If such a connector is not firmly attached to the cable, the connector may need refitting.

Cables

Make a visual check of the cables. There are a few basic checks:

If the cable has been slashed or cut, it will not be very effective or reliable. If such a cable is fitted externally, this can allow rainwater to enter the cable and this will reduce the signal levels.

You can easily damage an RF cable by crushing it, for example in a door. If the outside of the cable has a permanent kink in the cable or has been very tightly looped, this could be the site of damage.

Aerial

For reliable and effective Freeview reception, a rooftop aerial is required. It is hard to make a visual check of such an aerial without putting yourself in potential danger.

You can make a visual check of the route between the aerial and the transmitter. Any form of obstruction will damage the digital signals. In particular trees coming into leaf, as these will leech the signal before it reaches your aerial. This applies to both trees adjacent to the aerial and at a distance.

Another common problem in cities is building work. A large crane will often change position many times during the day, and if this is between your aerial and the transmitter this can reduce the signal levels in an unpredictable way.

If your system uses a booster, the power may have failed. Check the fuse to the power to the booster.

Weather problems

There are two main weather problems that effect Freeview reception.

The Inversion Effect: please see What is the Inversion Effect and why does it effect my Freeview TV reception?



Wind: high winds sometime can dislodge the aerial this results in a poor signal.

Rain: poor or old cables can fill with water and this results in a poor signal. If this happens, the cables will require replacement.

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Tuesday, 10 July 2012
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jb38
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9:35 PM

Daniele Wiseman: Winter Hill located @ 18miles / 338 degrees from you appears to be the station that serves your area and with the reception being predicted as being good across all six muxes. If the signal vanishes when you switch the BT vision box off the that suggests that you are looping the aerial for the TV through it, and if you are then try connection the aerial directly into the TV and then carrying out another re-tune.

If your Toshiba works OK all of the time can you clarify what aerial its using? as I wasnt quite sure if you meant the indoors or outdoors one.

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Daniele Wiseman
9:43 PM

OK, tomorrow when we lose the signal again we'll feed aerial through TV to elimate the BT Vision box.

We have two Toshiba TV's - downstairs we use an indoor aerial. Upstairs we have an aerial which comes through the wall and goes into the TV. The house is rented and there are two different aerials but they are located together and pointing in the same direction. I don't know which aerial is feeding which TV, I just can't see. But again, I don't understand why we only lose the signal during the day. Does this help?

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Daniele Wiseman
9:43 PM

Thanks by the way, for your interest.

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jb38
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11:28 PM

Daniele Wiseman: Losing the signal through the day can be caused by a variety of things, but signals received from anywhere vary in strength during over a 24 hour period through natural atmospheric reasons as well as "slight" drops in the mains supply voltage due to demand, and this can affect transmitters as well as receivers, and although these are of a minor nature if anyone has a less than ideal aerial arrangement or the signal they receive is slightly deficient because of the signal path from the transmitter being obstructed by trees, this can result in the signal level received not being that terribly far above the cut off point for reception known as the "digital cliff", whereby any further reductions in strength no matter how slight can cause reception to drop out.

You can verify this for yourself by carrying out a signal test on the channel you are viewing when the reception is OK and making a note of the strength / quality seen, do it on a few programmes such as BBC / ITV1 / ITV3 / Pick TV (11) / Yesterday (12) as that covers all muxes except HD, then the next time you select a programme and it results in a blank screen carry out the signal strength check again on that programme channel, as even although the screen will be blank the signal will still be there but has just dipped under the threshold that your receivers tuner can respond to, and if you compare the strength when its OK to when not, then you can get an idea of the kind of level your TV drops out at, as they are all different and varies from brand to brand.

If by the way the level the signal has dropped to is seen as being reasonably stable, then a booster will always help in that type of situation by lifting the level further away from the cut off point.

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Wednesday, 11 July 2012
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Daniele Wiseman
12:01 AM

Thanks, I've made a note of the signal strengths tonight (50-64%)and will do it again tomorrow when we've fallen off the digital cliff!!

And it's great to come onto a forum where expertise is so freely shared and such a helpful response is given!

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tim
2:11 AM
Turriff

I lost all BBC channels since around 19 June, but all other non-BBC channels are perfect. The transmitters are all working normally--Knockmore and Durris. Local tv aerial technicians believe that the amplifiers installed for roof aerial in the past (when analogue signal was still on) make signal too strong, because BBC has increase power (full power) on digital signals, and that signals sent from the two transmitters are interfering with each other at my location. As a result, all BBC channels are gone. Freesat is recommended. While I am considering Freesat, I just don't understand why too strong signals can cause no reception. Is it a possible case for two transmitters causing interference? Anyone can help me for that?

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KMJ,Derby
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10:15 AM

tim: There are two points to mention with regard to the aerial technician's advice. Firstly, if you receive a very strong signal, or use an amplifier to create one, it is possible to overload the tuner so that it does not see the the required mux, rather like how much a human eye can see with a very bright light shining at it. The second point, regarding interference between signals from Knock More and those from Durris is caused by the the current frequency allocation which puts the COM muxes from Durris on the same frequencies as the PSB muxes from Knock More. Although the two transmitters are roughly at right-angles at your location it is possible that a reflection of the Durris signal is being received. It could also be that trees in the path of the Knock More signal have reduced the level of PSB1 to the point that it no longer drowns out the much lower strength, unwanted signal from Durris. Looking at the predicted reception at your location, it is suggested that you might also be able to receive the PSB muxes from Rumster Forest. This would involve the use of two aerials, diplexed to receive the COM muxes from Knock More for a full set of channels. It is interesting to note that if more spectrum is released for 4G, the frequency arrangement would change, removing the clash between PSB and COM muxes.

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Thursday, 12 July 2012
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tim
12:51 AM
Turriff

KMJ,Derby: Thank you very much for your explanation. It is true that sometimes the predicted reception says I can get signals from Rumster Forest and Durris. It is only recently BBC indicates that Knock More and Durris are the two transmitters for my location. Interestingly, just about the same time I lost BBC signals, a small woods half a mile away was felled. I suppose those trees were blocking the unwanted signals for many years until now? Would that be a reason? Technicians did mention about 4G spectrum in feature saying that Freeview users might need to install a filter before being able to watch tv. It looks like Freesat or Sky would be the options for me. Pity some of the channels are not available on Freesat, such as Yesterday. Anyway, thanks again for your help. It is much appreciated.

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jb38
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7:51 AM

Daniele Wiseman: Yes, make another test next time you experience a blank screen giving an update on your findings, although by what you have reported the signal strength as being when you can view the channel it certainly doesn't leave very much of a safety margin before you are hovering just above the threshold for reception, this indicating that either a single booster, or preferably a booster / splitter of about 10db (min) for purposes of feeding the same level of signal to different rooms would be applicable in your situation.

By the way this especially applying where BT vision boxes are concerned, as their tuners aren't noted for being the most sensitive of devices.

Thank you also for your kind comments regarding the forum, we all try to assist wherever we can.

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Daniele Wiseman
9:54 PM

jb38: Yes, I heard BT Vision boxes don't have a signal booster. We have been looking at Signal Strength. We took readings then swapped the wire for the new wire which came with the other BT Vision box we had. You can see the readings below. We tried swapping in the other BT Vision box but the difference was just 1-2% and sometimes worse rather than better.So during the day I had many channels and at first I had BBC1 and BBC2 but they pixelated throughout the day making it impossible to watch those channels. Early evening we were unable to watch The Big Bang Theory as well which the girls weren't happy about, that's E4. I've noted the Signal Strengths below:
BBC1 Strength 50% (new wire 61%)(daytime 32%)
Quality 100% (daytime 18%)
BBC2 Same
ITV1 Strength 60% (new wire 78%)(daytime 50%) Quality 100%
Channel 4 Same
ITV3 Strength 61% (new wire 77%)
Quality 100%
Pick TV Strength 52% (new wire 62%)(daytime 35%) Quality 100% (daytime 18%)
Yesterday Strength 62% (new wire 75%)(daytime 70%)
Quality 100%
So it seems a signal booster is a good idea - can you recommend one - the makes seem endless?

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