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#GreatBBC campaign launched

Two top British producers, Charlie Parsons and Lord Waheed Alli have created a campaign website called “greatbbc” to help prevent the BBC from being destroyed by the current Charter Review process.

GreatBBC   Photograph: GreatBBC
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The website is http://site.greatbbc.com/

They’ve create a video featuring a number of well know celebrities. 

Don't let the BBC become a memory: A short film by Simon Curtis for the Great BBC Campaign

 

They have listed a number of ways to get involved with their campaign:

  1. Follow them on Twitter and Facebook
  2. Change your profile picture to show your support: either with our campaign graphics or with your own creation!
  3. Help us spread the word on Twitter: post your own campaign messages using #GreatBBC and/or mentioning @great_bbc using our templates
  4. If you’re inspired, make up your own supporting message/ visual/ gif and share it on Instagram or Twitter using #GreatBBC (and don’t forget to mention @great_bbc so we can see your creation) and/or use it as your social profile picture!
  5. Let them know your ideas


All questions
I have replaced my old dish and although i am getting full signal strenghth i ca1
Can I use a digibox on Jersey?2
Can recieve the free view channels thru the sky box without activating the car3
Is there a calculator or pc program to give dish azimuth and pitch settings for 4
Is there any way of sharing the RF 2 output on my sky box to enable me to contro5
In this section
BBC salami-slicing returns to overnight services?1
Goodbye BBC Red Button!2
Want to know how much the BBC spend in England, Scotland, Wales and NI per home?3
S4C and Welsh Exceptionalism?4
BBC future: make sure you make the deadline5
Time for the BBC to release the DOGs?6

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Monday, 22 February 2016
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MikeB
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12:10 AM

MikeP: But you still havn't answered the question I asked of you or Nick or anyone else - where is the actual evidence of BBC bias?

Trevor J harris came up with 'You only have to watch the One Show to see their left wing bias.'

Nick came up with 'You say you need evidence. well, just watch it. And there are huge numbers of commentators on the internet now saying the same thing about the lefty bias. '

You've said:

'Many programmes from the BBC, and others, have a left-wards bias.'

'but you only have to watch the reaction of Dimbleby and a significant section of the audience to know there is a clear bias - especially if a Tory minister or a UKIP person makes a statement that is, to them, perfectly valid but not liked by the audience.Then compare that with the reaction to a Labour politician's statement and the audiences' reaction to them.'

'I suspect your are ignoring the majority view. '

'You are clearly biased against the centre and right views. '

'It *is* about opinions. Learn to accept that many people do not agree with you. '

The only actual piece of evidence offered (I'll ignore the supposed EU payoff, because that's deluded) is a possible perception that the Question Time audience is biased. But that assumes that the audience selected is deliberately biased against the Tories (is there any evidence that's true?). Of course they just might not like what the politician has to say - which would seem to be just as likely.

The rest of it simply treast a statement of someone's opinion/perception as fact or appealing to the authority of the internet. And apparently no further discussion.....

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Sunday, 28 February 2016
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11:54 PM

Nick: 'Matey, you are completely out of touch. I get my news and informed opinions from the internet. I take active parts in forums. I watch DVD's. I walk the dog. I don't need TV now and nor do a lot of people. They have better things to do and more money to do it with. Sitting in front of the box for 3 hours after work is very 1980's. '

So your sitting in front of a screen for 3 hours instead. Reading forums and 'informed opinions'. Of course these 'informed' opinions tend to mirror your own, hence your frequent posting of links to the dreck that is 'Order, Order'. In fact this sort of internet use, by which we chose to view and absorb only the things that we tend to agree with has a name - 'Filter Bubble' The Filter Bubble: How the New Personalized Web Is Changing What We Read and How We Think: Eli Pariser: 9780143121237: Amazon.com: Books

Now part of that is due to commercial interests (always wondered why the adverts for something on a website seem to be very relevant to you? Because they are designed to be), as the book lays out, but also because we are prone to confirmation bias. In fact often the more certain personality types are shown evidence that contradicts their worldview, the more they will reject it.

So the internet is not the real world - its simply a version of it that we often make for ourselves.

I love facts - because (unlike Order, order), facts have a liberal bias (as Stephen Colbert put it). So I actually googled the post of 'editorial assistant' for the BBC. Here is a job description -
Assistant Editor, BBC Worldwide | Jobs and careers with BBC
, and her pay would be as a Grade 3 BBC employee - http://downloads.bbc.co.u….pdf - so 20k-29k in London (which really doesn't go far in London, just ask anyone who lives or commutes to there), and 16k-25k outside London (so if your in the SE, but outside LOndon, your really stuffed). In other words, although a BBC employee did indeed write a letter with a question for Corbyn to ask at PMQ's (and he really should stop doing that, since its a bit of a gimmick), she was writing in a personal capacity, and she's pretty junior and not that well paid (hence the question about affordable housing). Storm in teacup.

It took me less time to research that than type it. The internet can indeed by useful, unlike the comments after that item, which were frankly a bit unpleasant.

'And haven't you noticed how many minority groups are forced down our throat by the BBC, a far higher ratio than in actual life. This is all part of the PC suppression of the population, so the left get less opposition as they try to complete their agenda.
What happened to good, old fashioned family entertainment? '

Which minority groups would this be, exactly? And who exactly is suppressing the population by political correctness? Family entertainment? My wife loves 'Call the Midwife' and 'Great British Bakeoff', which is broadcast on the BBC, but of course that should be shut down. I wonder how many agree?

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Monday, 29 February 2016
MikeP
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11:26 PM
Maldon

MikeB:

Give over, mate. Admit that you are in a minority and let's get on with helping people with reception problems.


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Tuesday, 1 March 2016
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MikeB
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4:14 PM

MikeP: Put it this way, if Nick didn't keep writing idiotic nonsense, I wouldn't feel the need to correct it.

People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.

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MikeP
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9:50 PM
Maldon

MikeB:

Nick is entitled to write what he tinks is appropriate. I happen to disagree with you on this but don't bother to reply.

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10:57 PM

MikeP: And I'm entitled to disagree with him (and use facts). Comment is free, but facts are sacred.

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Wednesday, 2 March 2016
MikeP
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9:33 PM
Maldon

MikeB:

And 'fact' are open to interpretation and discussion - that is the scientific method.

Enough already!!


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11:12 PM

MikeP: But the one thing neither you or Nick have supplied are ...facts!

But thanks to the governments public consultation on the BBC - which Brianist urged us all to fill out about 6 months ago BBC future: make sure you make the deadline , we actually have some real data, and your not going to like it.

Frankly, the government made it as difficult as possible to respond to it - they initially hid it away, and tried to limit the amount of time available (I did it the last day before it closed). Fortunately, it got some publicity from 38Degree's, etc (including this website), and it ended up with almost 200,000 responses. The actual survey was long winded and repetative (almost as if they want ed people to give up...), and took a good half an hour to go through.

Many of the questions were worded in a very loaded way. For instance, "How should we pay for the BBC and how should the licence fee be modernised?" uses the word 'modernised' - thus implying that the licence fee is somehow outdated. Not all the questions were that subtle. And it was fixated with goverance - which is something most people (including me) apparently didn't give a toss about, apart from a) nobody want the government anywhere near the BBC, and b) most people don't rust Ofcom either.

Now the Telegraph got quite stroppy at the claim by 38Degrees that 177,000 of its members replied, or as the paper puts it 'consultation into the future of the corporation was hijacked by a left-wing campaigning group'. BBC charter review consultation hijacked by left-wing campaign group - Telegraph

Except thats a claim - there seem to be no figures to say exactly what happened. Frankly, I say good on them for getting the word out, but if anyone else had been interested, they could have filled it in too.

As for ' this claim: Lord Tyler, a Liberal Democrat peer, said they were a "one-click rent-a-mob" whose modus operandi involves "filling up someone's inbox with a lot of half-constructed half-truths" - firstly, it involved a large amount of work to fill in the survey, so hardly 'one-click', and its Paul Tyler, so who cares?

I'm sure its critics will reject the survey out of hand, but since '90% of politics is showing up' (President Jeb Bartlett), anyone could have replied to the survey, including all the tin foil hat wearers on the internet.

The report itelf?

'The most important issue for respondents was content, with 150,744 (81%) indicating that the BBC is serving its audiences "well or very well". - Public supports BBC and its independence from government | Media | The Guardian

'"Almost three quarters of responses (74 per cent) indicated that the BBC's content is sufficiently high quality and distinctive from that of other broadcasters."

'"Three quarters of responses (76%) to the government consultation suggested that the BBC has been doing enough to deliver value for money."

"How should we pay for the BBC and how should the licence fee be modernised?" the majority of responses - 60% (110,863) - replied saying: "No change needed". Just 15% (27,951) argued for reform and 4% (7,144) for a universal household levy.

"Overall, when asked 'is the expansion of the BBC's services justified in the context of increased choice for audiences?' almost 69% (126,826 responses) said: "Yes - expansion justified".

'A "large majority of responses" (73% or 134,778) indicated that the BBC should remain independent from one or more of government, parliament and Ofcom. '

Somewhere, James Mudoch is crying....

Its true that not everyone agrees - certain interested parties have put their oar in. Local newspapers winge (the fact that the internet now exists and that most local papers are rubbish seems to have escaped them), and ITV is moved to victimhood.

The government has come up with its own report (via a consultancy), which makes great play of the above moaning, while ignoring all the public submissions. - Culture secretary to call on BBC to abandon 'soft' web news and stop dumbing down - Telegraph . The report is in fact Whittingdale's own personal views made flesh, plus the concern trolling of its rivals. I suspect that the figures contained in it for rival's increased revenue should the BBC scale back in some areas are little more than wishful thinking.

I'm sure that you and Nick will totally reject this survey as flawed and skewed. However, if you can find any better polling data, lets see it. I can point to this:
BBC - Tomorrow's BBC: Vast majority of public support BBC providing same or greater range of services - BBC Trust
and this:
Public 'support BBC cost-savings but do not want services to be axed' | Media | The Guardian
and this:

Radio Times poll shows massive public support for BBC and licence fee


People actually seem to like the BBC when asked, whatever 'the internet' might say. Thats a fact, whatever possible interpretation anyone might attempt.

One other thing - if people don't want to discuss stuff, why keep on replying?



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Sunday, 6 March 2016
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Nick
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2:38 PM

MikeB: "My wife loves 'Call the Midwife' and 'Great British Bakeoff'," These aren't family entertainment. Call the Midwife was broadcast at what used to be peak viewing on Xmas day. Do you think it will be repeated at Xmas in 30 years time, like Morecambe and Wise are? I loved the Generation Game and Noels House Party. These entertained the entire family. The above you mention are for women.
I see the latest 'hatchet job' by the so called BBC is Trump. A man who talks common sense, but we mustn't have that.
The government are now going to charge for watching iPlayer (there will be a work around, but MPs are too thick to realise this). But this shows how desperate the BBC must be getting for funding. There must be a very substantial drop in tax take.

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MikeB
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9:44 PM

Nick: Oh God, why do you do this? Seriously?

Ok - Why are BakeOff and Call the Midwife not family entertainment? And why just for women? The Daily Mail thinks Bake Off is:

'The Great British Bake Off is a byword for perfect family entertainment'. Ok, so they are a bit worried about Mel and Sue's double entendres, but overall, it works (14.1m viewers thought so).

Morcambe and Wise (who, I have to admit, I never found all that funny) are not repeated in peak time on Christmas Day now, unless its by Channel 5 (because they are a really cheap channel). I suspect Midwife will get repeated a lot, but not having a crystal ball, I have no idea what will be shown on TV on Christmas Day 30 years from now. Do you?

'I loved the Generation Game and Noels House Party.'. I watched Generation Game in the 1970's, but I always hated House Party. It might have been 'family entertainment', but I thought it was crud.

Don't even start on about Trump - but do watch John Oliver talking about him - its on You Tube, and very funny. The stuff about Trump University is jaw dropping.

Family entertainment isn't going to entertain every family, or every member of it. I'm willing to watch Strictly, but its not something I'd go out of my way to watch - but lots of other people like it. Same with X Factor, etc. Different folks, different strokes.

At last, the government is going to close the Iplayer loophole (which only exists because the BBC introduced a technology which now everyone else has copied) - good. If your watching it, you should be paying for it. I suspect that any workaround is beyond most people.

And the reason why the BBC is shorter of fund than it would be is simply because the government has frozen the licence fee, made it shell out for lots of stuff which it had nothing to do with, and then cut its revenue still futher by getting it to pay for over 75's licence fees - something that had been decided on by government, not the BBC. As a result, I'm helping to pay my parents licence fee, even though they dont' really need the help.

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