How long will G B News last?

It is unlikely to last awfully long.
It seems unlikely for GB News to last be long-running service because although £60 million sounds like an awful lot of money, but it has not bought a place anywhere near the top of the TV menu. ITN runs the news for ITV/STV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 on £136 million a year and that does not include a 24/7 news-only broadcast channel, only three hours a night. BBC News’s various outputs (BBC News channel, BBC World News, BBC regional news) costs many hundreds of millions of pounds a year to run.
According to City AM £20m of the money for “G B News” came from US media giant Discovery, Inc. based in New York. The remainder is from Dubai-based investment firm Legatum and hedge fund manager Sir Paul Marshall: perhaps it should be called “Dubai Discovery-Inc News”?
It has somewhat limited coverage.
The channel will be broadcast on Freeview multiplex com6. This means less than three quarters of homes will be able to even receive the Freeview signal. (Multiplex COM6 - ARQB - Arqiva B: broadcasting to 19.8m UK homes from 80 masts ). This means that the of the 44% of homes that use Freeview, only three quarters of them will be able to watch the new channel, makes 32.9% of homes.
If the channel is on Sky that will add another possible 30.1% of homes (8.38m/27.8m) and Freesat homes are now 3.8% (1.07m/27.8m).
In total no more than 66.8% of homes will be capable of watching.
It is as far down the programme guide as you can go.
One of the problems for new UK TV channels that are not public service broadcasting channels is that the legal rules for EPG positions means that after the top slots go to BBC, and the public service broadcasting channels (ITV/STV/UTV, Channel 4, Channel 5) are then allocated on a first come first-served basis.
The rules also say that without broadcasting anything for at last two hours a day the slot is lost. But any spaces vacated this way caused a shuffle of the channel numbers to make the free slot at the end (in the 90s on Freeview). Each broadcaster can shuffle around their own channel allocations, so UKTV can move Dave, Drama, and Yesterday, but the slots cannot be sold off.
This means that Freeview channel 236 is literally 118 presses of channel down from the old home of Mr Neil and Mr Oliver. Fans of Mr McCoy will find him only 20 channels down, but no longer in High Definition. This is important because time and again viewers still trust what is on the single-digit Freeview channels and do not seek out the same people when they jump ship. The remaining British viewers of broadcast TV do not really watch news shows after 7pm and before 10pm: there are such shows on at 8pm on ITV+1, BBC FOUR and 9pm on BBC Scotland and they not watched by many homes. People expect their peak time TV to entertain!
Andrew Neil’s BBC shows have been for described as for “bored students and housewives” and “insomniacs”.
Live TV is dying
This is against a falling trend for television. In 1992 average weekly viewing was 30 hours per person per week, still 28 hours in 2000 but by this year, 2021, has fallen to 19½ hours a week, down 35%.
The Disney corporation “closed 30 channels in fiscal year 2020. We plan to close 100 in 2021”. With the rise and rise of Netflix, Disney+ and Amazon Prime Video most media organizations are removing content from broadcast television, because most people want to watch stuff when they want to!
The BBC News channel has a share now of 1.38% (watched for 2½ average daily minutes), Sky News 0.82% (1½ average daily minutes) and Sky Sports News 0.46% (48 seconds average a day). All other news channels score nil points by BARB.
It is not G.B and it is not News.
Clearly the people putting up the £60 million for this TV channel do not spend much time in the United Kingdom because they would realise that every schoolchild can tell you that “Great Britain” is the name of the biggest island in the British Isles archipelago, ahead of the Island of Island. The next most populated are Portsea Island, Isle of Wight, Anglesey, Isle of Sheppey and so forth.
Perhaps if the backers did not all live between 5,592 and 6,441 km away from our fair isles, they might get that!
It also appears that the schedule and budget for the channel are not going to be able to run to collecting much news. Based in single location in Paddington in London, it seems unlikely to match the reach of ITN (with their Border, Tyne Tees, Calendar, Granada, Central, Anglia, London, Meridian, Wales, West Country, Channel, UTV news commitments) and clearly no match for the well-funded BBC news operation that still runs from 14 locations in England: London, Nottingham, Norwich, Cambridge, Manchester, Newcastle, Oxford, Tunbridge Wells, Southampton, Plymouth, Birmingham, Bristol, Leeds, Hull, plus Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, St Helier as well as BBC World News, BBC News America, BBC Arabic and BBC Persian.
Hiring lots of people to sit in Paddington who shown skill has been to be the face for a skilled, reputable, and well-oiled news machine are going to struggle without having news to read from the teleprompter. Even with the best technology, the best communications networks, and the best people almost every 24/7 news channel has taken many years to get it together: Sky News, BBC News 24, BBC World Service News TV, and Sky Sports News Dot Com TV all were quite embarrassing for many years. Presenters such as Mr Neil have been fronting 45-minute shows, not 168 hours of TV output every week.
A history of failure of TV News channels
Most TV news channels have been and gone. ITN News/ITV News lasted from August 2000 until Christmas 2005 but never managed to sell enough adverts to make it a financially viable prospect.
Sky News is kept on air by the subscriptions that people take out with Sky generally being used to fund a goodwill brand ambassador for Sky. Of course, Mr Neil was involved with the early days of Sky News but was ousted when Sky Television merged with former rival British Satellite Broadcasting because his public statements were not suitable for the new merged company BSkyB, which perhaps means he is still “taunting” as much as he always was!
And Mr Neil was also the editor of the Sunday Times (whilst “editing” Sky News) before moving onto being on the BBC Two every weekday, and Sundays and Thursday late night on BBC One. The idea that Mr Neil is anything of an outsider is perhaps fanciful.
But no-one has managed to launch an independent new TV News channel for many years because even well thought out channels like The Money Channel, which at last had a target for adverts in mind, burnt though their cash before making a profit.
The no Paul Dacre problem
Another problem here for “Dubai- Discovery News” is that (surely) part of the plan was for former newspaper editor (and current multimillionaire) has failed to demonstrate that he could perform the legal duties required as a head of Ofcom and will not be therefore there to be able to turn a blind eye to the legal protections that are required of a broadcast TV channel by the law.
Remember here that it is the multiplex operator (Arqiva) that will be unable to broadcast the channel if Ofcom says it is not 100% squeaky clean and as they transmit almost everything in the UK, they will comply with an Ofcom directive or just be totally unable to operate their business.
So, in summary
- In at most 66.8% of homes.
- 118 clicks down the TV guide from Mr Andrew Niels old TV homes (so, lots of inertia)
- Not really doing news, just talking about it, piggybacking on other’s content (“Wokewatch” is perhaps another name for cheap piracy)
- Not in HD on Freeview
- These types of channels burn money and find it hard to get an audience.
- Will need to comply with all Ofcom Broadcasting Codes and the law.
1:36 PM
Briantist, I think you may have got the coverage figures for COM6 mixed up with COM7. COM6 has coverage of 90+% of UK households from 90 transmitters, whereas COM7 is around 75% from 25 transmitters. Also, GB News has launched in HD on Sky and Freesat.
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4:03 PM
Briantist:
StevensOnln1:
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Yes I think Brian has got mixed up about the COM6 coverage, so there'll be quite a lot more that will get it (and watch it). It certainly isn't going to be "wokewatch".
Why are so many people hung up about how far "down" the EPG a station is, it doesn't seem to do Sky or the other stations any harm, never mind all those that watch things on Virgin Media, it's having the ability to key in 3 numbers in succession is the thing, I know the need for that does niggle a few but then again, most devices have the ability to set up "favourites" so you can end up doing it with a simple key press!
Most people I talk to don't give a toss how far down the EPG things are, the important thing for them is remembering the numbers of their favourites (and to that end the important channels having memorable numbers or one that's existed for a very long time) which is why so many were annoyed about the Freeview/OFCOM mess-up last November shunting everything above 24 to 54 up one when there was a much simpler and logical solution that would have complied with OFCOM's requirement. But then since when has Freeview or OFCOM used logic and common sense in things - very little in my eyes. Eg. having 4Seven now on 48, yes that's good logic - NOT!
As far as how long GB NEWS lasts - I'd guess a lot longer than Brian seems to be thinking. Judging by opinions I'm hearing. Most people are fed up with the way the current media including TV, reports the news, some very cleverly leaving the odd fact here and there out of a report which leads to a biased view which a lot of people don't pick up on immediately, never mind those (the press especially) that don't like the government for one reason or another and just report things in a way that mud is hurled at them in the hope that some will stick.
Most of the "anti-GB NEWS" mob seem to come from those quarters as well as political opponents of those that see it as a right-wing channel - and it's not even on air yet!
I'm looking forward to what I hope will be some refreshing straight forward presentation of "facts" with proper investigative journalism (something current journalists seem inept at) not half-truths or bias.
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SStevensOnln1: I'm not confused, thank you. Com6 broadcasts to 19.8m UK homes from 80 masts (74% of the population)!
You might have thought that after 19 years, give or take a month, of doing this I might have the hang of it now!
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Chris.SE: I've read though all the stuff they put out in the Press Gazette and so forth and I can't recall seeing anyone listed as doing investigative journalism. Who are you thinking of?
GB News launch date revealed + latest signings and schedule information doesn't seem to mention it. Where have you seen about investigative journalism?
The reason that people care about EPG position is that more people watch stuff the lower the number. Sky doesn't care because it has never cared about viewers, only SUBSCRIBERS.
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11:58 PM
Brian Butterworth:
Brian, didn't you ever watch Andrew Neil's interviews on the BBC? He had always done his homework and got all the facts before him so that he could ask the "right" "awkward" questions, whoever he interviewed.
I'm expecting that ideology will percolate through what GB News do, time will tell. Let's see what they offer once they've been up and running for a while.
I'm certainly not prepared to denounce and belittle the channel and it's presenters before they've even launched.
As far as EPG position goes, I didn't say that there weren't people that cared, they are in a minority IMHO based on many people I talk to. Those broadcasters that "care" are being small minded IMHO, nor btw do I think that a lot of BARB's figures are representative these days, simply because I don't believe they have a representative selection of viewers any more.
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Chris.SE: I don't recall denouncing this channel, just pointing out it's underfunded.
I think if you check what most people mean by investigative journalism they don't mean "an prepared interviewer", they mean "a form of journalism in which reporters deeply investigate a single topic of interest, such as serious crimes, political corruption, or corporate wrongdoing. An investigative journalist may spend months or years researching and preparing a report. "
Examples of this on British TV are: Dispatches on Channel 4, The Cook Report on ITV, Panorama on BBC One.
In the newspapers the top example was Insight at the Sunday Times.
See How to uncover the truth in investigative journalism | Royal Television Society and The Bureau of Investigative Journalism for more.
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8:50 AM
The big difference between GB News and the rest is thar it promises to be right of centre.
That shall be enough to have a huge audience potential.
I would expect it to expand, with more reporters and regional studios.
The comments about its place in the Freesat EPG ( 216) is alongside Sky News, the BBC., and
other news broadcasters, when the "News" option is
selected.
The Facebook & Twitter reaction to the station's start
of Broadcasting is overwhelmingly positive, with only
Communists and other leftists finding "reasons" for it to
fail, evidently because it won't be stuffed full of activists that
for far too long have controlled the media.
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8:56 AM
Can the organisers of this site sort out the word wrapping for posts, please?
Posting from a mobile is difficult, and shall result
in mispelling and paragraphs in the wrong place.
Just look at my last post here, gibberish.
Make it mobile friendly please.
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2:11 PM
Whether it survives, thrives or fails will be due to the viewers. We (they) want honest, truthful unbiased reporting of genuine events that can be TRUSTED. None of this can be applied to the mainstream media, hence the reason for the channels existence. Time will tell.
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Iain Girling: Which is my point entirety! It turned out that people didn't watch The Money Channel or the ITV News Channel either. In television the amount of revenue from advertising isn't earned in portion to the BARB numbers, you need either BIG audiences like ITV, or high-income ones like Sky Arts. Commercial channels with small numbers of low-income viewers don't last long.
Mike: You pressed return at the end of each line, therefore your post looks like it does. My policy of 19 years now, is to never edit posts once made.
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3:02 PM
Brian Butterworth:
Whilst I just knew you'd come back with that sort of point, it's a rather blinkered view IMHO.
In your list of examples you mentioned eg. political corruption. How many stories have there been in the last 15 months or so along those lines which have turned out to be a load of bull.
There's been too many reporters (I'm not going to call them journalists as it's offensive to the good ones) who hear a bit of "gossip" and report on it as though it's fact without checking a single thing. This is the sort of thing that most of the public are fed up with. Reporters need to learn to investigate.
It doesn't matter whether it's a documentary type programme that's taken weeks/months/years of investigation or a simple news report - where investigation might be achieved quite quickly. There again in some cases it might not!
As I said previously, and others have too, time will tell.
Here's part of a comment from one of the team, in the item you linked in a previous post -
Quote "the community is hungry for analysis, explanation and a range of viewpoints and that's what we will deliver.
That's what I think most of us are looking forward to.
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Chris.SE: I'm sorry, but when there is a long-standing definition of a phrase, I'm going to go with that rather than making it up.
As for "hungry for analysis, explanation and a range of viewpoints" doesn't actually mean that these are going to get deal with as they're based in Paddington in London which is even closer to the Westminster Village than Isleworth (Sky) or Salford (BBC).
They've not, as far as anyone can tell, actually employed journalists to go around "Great Britain" and gather any viewpoints. They "range of viewpoints" they will serve will be those of billionaires in Saudi and America, because one should, in these situations "follow the money".
Unless you know differently. I am always open to evidence of a newsgathering organization being built. Even photos of trucks with logos on them, that kind of thing.
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9:51 PM
Brian Butterworth:
Brian, well sorry, I do know differently - the station isn't even on air yet so I can't possibly agree with your view about "the range of viewpoints". Let's wait and see before condemning it out of hand.
As for the RTS article, apart from being interesting and primarily about stories that have taken time to investigate and how some of them have gone about it, it is NOT a "definition" of investigative journalism! And there's no reason why the principles and way they go about these investigations shouldn't apply to other stories that appear in the news.
I think we've done this one to death now!
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It would be nice to read and hear the news and not the opinions of the (overpaid) presenters.
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5:57 PM
The channel will be launching on all platforms, including being available to all TV customers on Virgin Media. The channel will also be in HD on all platforms excluding Freeview.
As to it being a success, well that will depend on them providing something the existing channels don't. Only time will tell.
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GBTV will have to try very hard to maintain an audience and the best way in which they can do this is by getting out on location and talking to people in the street on various national and international stories.
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10:49 PM
GB News is a breathe of fresh air, havent watched BBC, ITV or Sky since its been on
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1:02 AM
Darren Brian White:
They need to sack their sound engineer though, at least they seem to have bought a few more LEDs for Dewbs!
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1:59 PM
Give them a chance to sort out their technical problems! For a first broadcast, Dawbs managed the chain of technical hitches commendable. Audio modulation levels and lighting can easily be improved. If they clearly dififerentiate between news-facts and comments by presenters and interviewees, GBN will score over SN and BBC-N, both of which inject opinion into their "reports". Al-Jazeera is more objective, and has a main focus on world events. GBN could fill the gap by providing factual news separate from comment.
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3:05 PM
Well, I thought it might possibly be useful, but ..
looked this morning and they were commemorating the Falklands war - at which point we parted company
Never has it been more apparent that the vast majority of people in this country are totally brainwashed warmongering cretins than during that period
This channel is clearly an attempt to cash in on the people who voted brexit - but they just don't get it - that vote was a total rejection of thatcher and blair, - and the consequent destruction of peoples lives and livelihoods by the money men, the ruination of manufacturing capability and thus, self sufficiency.
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5:31 PM
Great British Tripe:
Totally agree on self sufficiency, maybe too much is imported from the EU.
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12:12 PM
I would have thought if people want to listen to people talking about news then they tune into either BBC Radio 5 Live, LBC, Talk Radio or Times Radio.
People turn into news channels to catchup on the news, not to see what people's views are on the latest news.
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3:00 PM
*Tripe" is a much used word by the people that write it.
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4:24 PM
Mike:
Which is presumably why that person chose it as part of their GB"Tripe" posting handle :D
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2:37 PM
The best news channel in Britain, we have now stopped watching BBC, ITV, Channel 4 or Sky. Every friend and family member I am showing the channel to are also commenting similar and are refreshed that there is now a credible alternative. Well done and keep up the good work
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8:46 PM
Thornhill
Digital tv and radio have enough carriage capacity to deliver all sorts of services, so good luck to new starters like Times Radio and GB News.
GB News has suffered a lot of flack about its output and has been pigeon-holed by some commentators as a hate propaganda station. Admittedly, I am not personally impressed with the former, but definitely don't agree with the latter!
The GB News perspective on life is no more harmful than reading agenda leading titles like The Daily Mail, The Daily Express or even The Morning Star. That stated, GB News programme output is not very exciting and is a reminder that good television doesn't come cheap!
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Willie's: mapW's Freeview map terrainW's terrain plot wavesW's frequency data W's Freeview Detailed Coverage
In a country such as the UK and indeed now in most of the world the number of TV and radio stations have now reached saturation level so it is definitely in the media world the survival of the fittest.
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5:05 AM
Nick Anderson, You are correct about the survival of the fittest on today's supermarket telly and radio choice, but the fittest might not necessarily be the best! Early days seen the death knell of the ITN News Channel (on tv and DAB), Tara TV (UK access to some RTE programmes from Ireland) and S2/STV2 in Scotland. Radio's lost services included OneWord (book reading and drama), Primetime Radio (from Saga), Saga Radio (regional service) and not forgetting Independent Local Radio output on commercial radio.
So, some diamonds amongst the dross were lost on services once received on tv and radio.
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1:33 PM
Willie Bone:
Quite. Diamonds such as GWR in the West region!
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8:22 PM
Does anyone know what the signal booster is called, the one where you just plug the outside arial into it then its plugged into your freeview box, its with a dial to strengthen your signal , ideal for getting a better signal, its not powered just a small item square one end the outside arial is plugged in then you just push it into the freeview box or similar. I cannot think whats itsa called, when trying to get one all i keep getting up is the ones where you plug it into the electric. Thanks for your help
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8:45 PM
peter : Perhaps you are thinking of a variable attenuator. An attenuator reduces the level of signal, the opposite of a signal booster (signal amplifier):
Freeview signals: too much of a good thing is bad for you | free and easy
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