#GreatBBC campaign launched
GreatBBC Photograph: GreatBBC
The website is http://site.greatbbc.com/
They’ve create a video featuring a number of well know celebrities.
Don't let the BBC become a memory: A short film by Simon Curtis for the Great BBC Campaign
They have listed a number of ways to get involved with their campaign:
- Follow them on Twitter and Facebook
- Change your profile picture to show your support: either with our campaign graphics or with your own creation!
- Help us spread the word on Twitter: post your own campaign messages using #GreatBBC and/or mentioning @great_bbc using our templates
- If you’re inspired, make up your own supporting message/ visual/ gif and share it on Instagram or Twitter using #GreatBBC (and don’t forget to mention @great_bbc so we can see your creation) and/or use it as your social profile picture!
- Let them know your ideas
Wednesday, 17 February 2016
MikeP
9:40 PM
9:40 PM
MikeB:
I suspect your are ignoring the majority view.
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Thursday, 18 February 2016
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MikeB11:09 AM
MikeP: And I suspect I'm not. But even if I was in the minority, would that make the perception true?
However, polling and other actual data says otherwise. A poll of of most trusted and used news outlets in the UK shows that the BBC TV news are first choice by over 30% of those polled. The next most popular outlet was ITN, again TV. The press scores much lower than that. If you add the BBC TV news scores to the BBC Radio, Website and World Service, the figure is 39%. That indicates that people are not unhappy with the BBC's news output.
There is a poll from 2013 - http://www.theguardian.co…poll - where 60% of people thought the BBC's reporting was accurate and trustworthy, whereas 12% did not.37% thought it was neutral, 27% thought it was not. 41% thought it had some bias, but the vote was split on what this was. (And yes, these figures do not neatly add up, which shows that people are not exactly consistent when asked these sorts of questions).
44% of Tory voters thought it was too left wing, but 19% of Labour voters thought it too right wing. I suspect that the Tory voters views have as much to do with the fact that a) A Tory led government had been in power for 3 years, and thus is more likely to be questioned by the media, and b) Pretty all the print media is right wing, aside from the Guardian, the Independent (soon to depart) and possibly the FT. Hardly surprisingly, there tends to be an anti BBC drumbeat when it comes to coverage by most of the press.
Other research argues that the BBC is biased towards the right, or at least towards press set narratives and the status quo/authority.
As for websites like biassedbbc & isthebbcbiased - I really wonder about them. They seem to find something out of nothing. As one comment on the Guardian article put it ' When looking for bias, one invariably finds it.'
I's like to see some real data from people who say the BBC is biased. Not 'I think', not 'everyone I talk to', not 'everyone in the paper' or 'the internet'. I'd like to see proper robust facts, not cliches or fake outrage, and certainly not anecdotes. No broadcaster is going to be perfect, and I have plenty of things to say about BBC news coverage, and not all of it good.
But I'd like more evidence than 'Dimbleby says support the BBC' - thats not bias, that just a statement of support, and one that polling shows is popular. And its not just him saying it -
Doctor Who star David Tennant: we must protect the BBC
- as the above article shows.
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Friday, 19 February 2016
MikeP
10:15 AM
10:15 AM
MikeB:
You are clearly biased against the centre and right views.
The survey you quote was not about any bias but which format news broadcasts people prefered to watch - and it suggested that more were dissatisfied with all the 'main' services.
Try taking an impartial scietific look at what is offered and you will see that all news, whether broadcast or printed, has some bias one way or another. The point about the BBC is that their Charter requires them to not only be impartial but seen to be so - and they are failing in that.
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MikeB10:57 AM
MikeP: 'You are clearly biased against the centre and right views' - Possibly, possibly not - but that's not relevant.
'Try taking an impartial scietific look at what is offered and you will see that all news, whether broadcast or printed, has some bias one way or another.'
True, although that 'bias' is as much a matter of perception as anything else, which of course, isn't scientific or impartial.
'The point about the BBC is that their Charter requires them to not only be impartial but seen to be so - and they are failing in that.'
But thats the problem - is there any evidence that they are failing in that? I don't mean a matter of perception (Tory does not like coverage of budget cuts, Labour does not like coverage of leadership turmoil), but actual bias.
Nobody has come up with cold hard evidence of the BBC putting the thumb on the scale for Labour, or 'the left', etc. If they can, lets hear it. What I see is nudges and winks from the usual suspects, or 'affront' from various websites (where do they find the time for those?) at the BBC for mentioning something that they object to, or they think is 'politically correct'.
Put it this way, I can clearly see the bias something like 'Fox news' has, or RT (in its Russian coverage). But the BBC?
So I am asking for actual evidence of bias. Real examples. Can anyone oblige?
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MikeP
9:30 PM
9:30 PM
MikeB:
You are entitled to your opinions but do not expect others to agree.
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Saturday, 20 February 2016
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MikeB7:55 PM
MikeP: But the point is that its not about my opinions, its about actual facts.
Nobody has managed to give me any actual examples of BBC bias. I'd love to see some, but all I get is the statement 'they are' or stuff people have culled from the Daily Mail, etc. I suspect they can't find any, but somehow 'feel' that they are. So can someone please supply some real BBC bias!
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Sunday, 21 February 2016
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Nick3:30 PM
MikeB: Why do you think there is so much comment on the BBC bias on the internet? It would be unusual for a system that is designed to entertain and fairly inform to be biased, don't you think? I don't need you opinions to sway my judgement. You say you need evidence. well, just watch it. And there are huge numbers of commentators on the internet now saying the same thing about the lefty bias. How do you think the BBC will be unbiased about membership of the EU, when the EU pay millions to the BBC (12 million I think, but you know all the facts so you can verify)? You watch it and pay for it. I don't and won't pay them a penny. It weird the way this thing is paid for. We are the only country in the world that works this TV tax thing, and with the threat of prosecution, just for watching a TV. Madness. I see real criminals like burglars getting away with it. Don't bother replying. You won't sway me. I prefer to believe the hundreds at GF site than an individual like you. I look forward to when the BBC is shut down. Judging by the way the licence players are dropping out, and the government talking about alternative methods of forced finance, I can only assume its demise will be sooner rather than later.
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MikeP
4:08 PM
4:08 PM
MikeB:
It *is* about opinions. Learn to accept that many people do not agree with you.
End of discussion.
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MikeB6:34 PM
Nick: 'Why do you think there is so much comment on the BBC bias on the internet?'
There is also much discussion on the Internet about Kim Kardashian, whose doing what in Minecraft, and whats so special about the new Iphone.
In other words, just because the phrase 'BBC' tends to elicit strong emotions from some people, and even lead to people setting up their own websites to obsess over it doesn't mean:
a) It is biased
b) that everyone thinks it actually is biased.
Frankly, the Internet is not the real world, and does not always reflect it. If it did, then apparently a vast number of people would think that TV itself was an instrument of Satan (try googling it - scary stuff).
'And there are huge numbers of commentators on the internet now saying the same thing about the lefty bias'.
If we are judging truth by the number of websites out there, then 9/11 was 'an inside job', currently Beyonce is the most important woman in the world (the Superbowl thing was good) and that Barack Obama was actually born in Kenya.
' I prefer to believe the hundreds at GF site than an individual like you.' So there are hundreds of people at these anti BBC sites? Wow, thats like a huge amount of people. Of course Countryfile alone gets 8.75m people watching it, but those hundreds of people know 'the truth!' (are they the same people, who just look at each others sites?)
' I don't need you opinions to sway my judgement.' . This is a variation on the 'my feelings beat your facts' meme. In fact I'm not talking about opinions (which MikeP also thinks I'm obsessed with) - I'm talking about actual EVIDENCE. All I'm asking for are some actual instances of bias, so can you supply some please.
The EU payments to the BBC is a perfect example of seeing bias where there doesn't actually seem to be. I get it that people don't like the EU - thats their opinion. But when you spend more than a minute looking at it, its a real stretch to argue that the EU payments have led to any sort of EU bias.
The Telegraph says that:
'BBC Media Action received 9.3million between 2011 and 2014, much of it to deliver the EU's European Neighbourhood Policy. European Union officials have described this as a broad political strategy designed to strengthen the prosperity, stability and security of Europe's neighbourhood in order to avoid any dividing lines between the enlarged EU and its direct neighbours.
As part of this work, BBC Media Action led the consortium of media companies that delivered a three-year project called Media Neighbourhood, which provided training for hundreds of journalists in 17 countries on the outskirts of Europe.
'Reporters taking part in the scheme attended study tours to the EU in Brussels during which they were able to interview top EU policy makers in the European Commission and the European Parliament.'
EU referendum bias row after EU pays BBC charity
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MikeP
10:07 PM
10:07 PM
MikeB:
If you cannot accept that others have a different view there is no point in continuing the 'discussion'.
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