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Paul where have you been up to since we last spoke as far too long now take the entire.

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I think the first time ever to get a complementary half of beer on the podcast so I'm happy already, but the man who otherwise only drinks in Soho house Mayfair work at the bureau of investigative journalism.

Good times for you in your kind 30 interesting time.

I'm actually working on a project that works specifically on local journalism and trying to support local journalist around the UK given the nature of the topic so we're going to discuss in the show.

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What is to become an annual treat for us in the media BBC payday, where we find out how much the corporation is bigger stars and Alan Yentob are paid at this you may remember.

It was agreed as part of the recent licence fee settlement and it aims to keep the beeb accountable to licence fee payers before we go too far into this particular rabbit of all these numbers are Street are they were not just black and white you can't just look at these numbers and say all that's when everyone gets paid well.

No because of course some of those agencies commissions in there and of course people doing mix jobs in as some people doing radio and TV know if you compare for example over 2 presents on The One Show you are they doing different jobs, so you can't say those two numbers complete comparable but because they're doing the same job on The One Show but they do different jobs in the sense of Matt Baker on Sat Nav exactly how much do you get paid for doing is sport commentary you ok, but it has been fascinating headlines.

Really written is how much the radio guys are being paid.

I think that was a real.

I put me in the top-10.

You got two Chris Evans Jeremy Vine Steve Wright John Humphrys a lot of radio guys in the top 10 surprising you know John Humphrys he is a veteran broadcaster.

That's gonna see something to be around forever and he's slowly had pay rises.

No doubt whilst he's been at the BBC Jeremy Vine he does telly as well Chris Evans he does tell me as well.

He Top Gear salaries probably in there Steve Wright not to diminish, what he does but all he does is his three-hour show everyday on Radio 2 and he's getting over half a billion pounds a year for it was that surprised you know it wasn't actually I thought he might be on more than that.

I did know what Steve is earning at radio one, but I wouldn't disclose that of course but he has been doing that afternoon show on radio 2 now 18 that's €18.

It is the same really as it did on Radio 1 25 years ago, but it is still the most listened to afternoon radio show in the UK on any radio station and a cost evil of God increases every year over 18 years.

Adds up and that's why he's on half a million pound it looks large in contexts everybody else, but I wasn't that surprised.

No is there still a market place for Talent like that though.

I wonder because you know when you were at Radio 1 no doubt and he write it go to talk radio for awhile.

Didn't hear no doubt capital would have taken him more if they existed then or whatever but now.

I mean who would pay half million house leave right now apart from radiator.

Well.

I think someone might pay for Steve Wright but I think the policy is interesting that the BBC were resistant about this.

They said it would actually cause a problems with them Talent inflation it would result in poaching the reality is that many of these people on the salaries there on and I'm not going to be posted by the market.

I mean no one is going to go to Stephen Nolan and say good though.

He is and he's more than half a million pounds.

Please come to commercial radio is not going to happen.

So that the issue is if you look at the market some of these people do look overpaid although he does to be fair have a massive show in Northern Ireland doesn't ever hear.

I mean Old Man Loves a very important part of the UK but a very small part of UK sofa listener.

He's paid very very well.

Ok, so move, let's talk about that from agenda point of view then as well because a lot of people have looked at the women and what they been paid and it's hard as we've been saying to do a side-by-side comparison ballistic Vanessa Feltz for example because you use doing a phone in talk show and it's a Breakfast Show and she's getting paid substantially less than the lights to bright also purely just doing radio, but then it is basically a local radio show so should you expect the Vanessa Feltz would be earning three times as much or does it seem fair write to you? I mean that says that example yeah, it seems pretty confusing.

I think it has Paul the same you know that it seems like this huge.

Sums are really paid for these kind of Personality characters really to get those big names in but you know it does make you question what else could you buy for that money? How many other journalists could be uncovering amazing scoops doing all that behind-the-scenes work for from that point of view as an investigative journalist.

It is important isn't it to have brands and personalities wrapping your stories up and telling the public about the money arguably more people would hear about the piece of investigative journalism if Jeremy Vine presented to them on Radio 2 then then if they read it in private eye potentially I mean you.

Hope if the story is good enough in the content is good enough then that these kind of big names.

They might add to it, but hopefully the stories would travel by themselves.

I think when you look through that that list it's interesting to see how many of those big big names are the presenters rather than journalists and you know that kind of makes you question just how much work somebody has to do then if the other people behind the scenes the kind of paddling away underwater in there, but then again some of the huge journalist at the BBC work for independent production company for this simply not on there which again is possibly distorting.

I mean where's Andrew Neil on that list.

I'm sure he's on more than 150 GBP in exactly so the company will being paid and his son who won't be too slow so he's invisible Radio 1 DJs and not in billion.

On here, I mean Nick Grimshaw Greg James 150000.

He looks quite underpaid compared to some other colleagues, but the Radio 1 DJ Sara Leon there is the Radio 2 DJ the Radio 4 presenters are really doing very welcome selves ok, so surprised is Ben who get paid too much he's not getting paid enough we all agree Clare Balding should probably be on there.

I don't know you know she's been paid by Mindy as well, but she's on less than half of Gary Lineker that wasn't very good and she's the highest-paid actually what she does a lot of money.

She's actually doing Strictly 4 weeks and 1 weekly show on Radio 2 at seems a lot to me Chris Evans is obviously overpaid but we don't know what their numbers gonna look like when top Gears taken out.

I think that would be interesting next year and The One Show and The One Show I mean at the end of they think it's all a bit of fun and a bit of nonsense.

I don't need any damage the BBC you know it gives us something to write about some of the speculate about the real issue.

Here is the BBC's accountability to licence fee pay.

What worries me more is the number to Tony Hall reveals showing that in fact the average salary in the BBC continues to go up the number of Managers and the BBC continues to go up and I'm blood staff continue to go and I've been asked to reduce staffing and reduce salary costs and reduce average cost and his always recorded loads and loads of graduates which will be cheaper but then why is the average salary now up to 44000 and still trending upwards? That's a bigger issue for me and this is about public money and Poppy money being spent appropriately and just making sure the BBC does do that and I love the BBC have a huge for that's what's the BBC but it has this privilege licence fee and without licence egos a degree of accountability and therefore some extend the BBC's expect the scrutiny weather big star should be exposed.

I'm I'm on the fence on there, but in terms accountability BBC needs to be accountable any surprises for you mate.

Not sure it is a bit of gender inequality.

Shows that list I had a quick look through and is 11 out of the 96 of people of colour.

You know that kind of things does need to be explored intubated and I think that's that's been really interesting to when you see the likes of Emily maitlis, you know earning a lot lesson Evan Davies or whatever people in similar positions that kinda makes you wonder what's happening there behind the scenes.

I did wonder as well.

I know you're not supposed to think this kind of thing but I did wonder when I saw Clive myrie, Aman Aman Raj and disgusting this on the News at Ten whether that was Skinner actually just quite convenient scheduling for them into the present as they are covering this when that is a problem.

It did feel like the BBC schedule very carefully to avoid sensitivity braces in a standard discussing salary at a big problem the BBC mustard Sydney there is a proper evaluation has a very big outcome of this.

I didn't what may be the case is the BBC has been working towards improving is portrayed on the air but only relatively recently soap.

Probably some of the people have come through be doing the jobs that long.

And therefore their paid less than not been doing it so long in the BBC you definitely to find your salary creeps up the more and more years you do the job.

I mean someone meet me so saying I'm on the same program doing the same job as John Humphrys but she's paid considerably less and you have to question that what about it actually asked to use the phrase tell him to describe myself, but you know someone who's presenting programs for the BBC love you.

Love you if I turn up as a talking head on you and yours or something.

It's a struggle to get 30 quid off 50 quid at the BBC this story distorts that idea and makes it seem as if everyone have been paid by the BBC has been paid bucket load that couldn't be further from the truth and when I present a show in a my salaries ok, but it's similar to when I got paid in commercial radio slightly less and I suppose the point I'm making is if in 30 years time.

I ended up presenting breakfast on Radio 2 well.

I've spent 30 years.

Trying to do this job for not very much money and that's the reward at the end.

Well.

Look at BBC local radio standard fee there 125 Peugeot so you've got people who are quite big names from you know Roger De A2 Graham Dean been paid £125 for two I show on BBC local radio one woman who is getting bigger bucks than her male counterpart is the new boss at ITV 10 Carolyn McCall she may earn over 25 million pounds over 5 years for becoming chief exec compared to 24.9 million for Adam Crozier I say make as obviously with bonuses and staff.

What do we know about Carolyn McCall where we know that she was formerly of easyJet and she seems to have really impressed people there and then previous to that was the chief executive of the Guardian Media Group so I think she's been welcome generally in most corners at somebody who can handshake things are fun and tighten up budgets and kind of push things forward for the really interesting.

See what she manages to do that.

What do you think Paul what challenges lie ahead for Carolina well? I mean the trouble for ITV you know is how does it survive in a world where viewing is going to nonlinear to subscription paid services, you know you see this week's Netflix announces another 5 million subs in the last quarter 32.

Where is a challenge and the only way you can keep advertisers on board is by having programming with people must watch that particular time.

It's broadcast her challenges in a world.

That's going to digital that's going to nonlinear viewing at a very rapid rate.

How does she keep a free to wear a advertising funded television business of life like roses done a great job by vesting in ITV production and gambling everyone and buying all the lottery, but they've I met you have to say ITV has made some very good shows in house and it's been very successful at selling those overseas and he's done a great job and he's bahis brought the share price up.

The question is what's in the in the locker now? What's in the cupboard now to keep that upward trajectory and it can't just be about cost-cutting although ITV has successfully diversified from being an advertising rely broadcaster.

I think they're nearly only about half the total revenue now come to advertising that trend of the the Rooster advertising is going to continue so that's a challenge.

How does she keep that business buoyant? How do you keep the stock price up? She's got a great track record as you were saying I mean and I had a time of The Guardian Media Group will server well easyJet has had some problems to aim in easyJet's problem as a cost problem you can if you benchmark easyJet or Ryanair and the other low-cost Airlines easyJet's got a problem of cost so I think we will see her having her to attack again on ITV's cost but it's not a job.

That's an easy one.

She's taken on not a poison chalice, but a child have to have challenge.

So that's why they're paying her so high Me Maybe

Holidays jobs, ITV isn't it that you know every 5 years or so has always suggesting that goes from being a good job to a terrible job and it's not necessarily chief executive at all.

It's to be advertising market is to do with a shows of performing at the time, but I feel like I don't know I suppose staying with Alan that has come across been bought in four different places, but now it's potentially one of those times when it could be on the kind upward swing going to get time will tell her she's a very good effective and I think they made a very good choice and can we talk about her Media bit because I remember is when she was appointed easyJet saying well.

She's only ever run a media company before watching about aeroplanes, so busy telling that around and now the impression you she's one of the city's absolute top ceos.

What does she know about media? I mean? What did you do at gmg? Well? She was often a tutorial person than of the Guardians rumble and raspberry.

He was the the business brains behind the Guardian Media Group when she was the one who.

Manage the Investment Portfolio and after that group had a lot of third-party investment.

She manage those sheman is the commercial side of the business which had no TV or video did it and they have Radiohead Radiohead did for that Aussie was and disbanded, but I think it's more about our understanding of how to connect with consumers and how you monetise those and that's a skill she then took two easyJet.

I mean a low-cost airline is not an easy thing because cos you've got in a virgin and BA who are the incumbent a full service operators.

You've got to offer a something different you got to fill those planes you got to make sure they take off you gotta make sure the customer services decent you got to get the money in your try and keep your costs down.

You gotta Keep Us safe the track safety record.

She's done all that very very well those operational skills.

She can transfer to a TV programme the next big hit is she's gonna be running a business side of my TV and make sure it works as a business if I'm gonna make a really comforting comparison and this.

David Barlow but if you gonna make one you could say that where she succeeded in easyJet is she's brought business customers onto a low-budget no-frills airline and made them think of it as a reasonable Choice travel business.

They pay more they can choose their seats now and all the rest of it in a way.

That's what I TV needs to do isn't it? It's always going to be the heartland for Ant and Dec and Coronation Street but it needs those up market view as well.

He spend money when they watch the ad yeah.

We are getting sorted out now election coverage.

I think they started to pull viewers across and similarly what they mean doing in the evening news.

You know they've they can do been pumping resources and and focused into that kind of side of things and I think that has pulled in some for some viewership that might have been coming across my other channels ok before the break as they say on ITV it was announced this week that delivering the TV festivals keynote mactaggart lecture next month will be Channel 4 Jon Snow made good choice.

I love dad's now.

He's my favourite question.

Talk whenever wherever I'm interesting insights.

He's obviously had the career spanned so kind of see things through and see the changes.

I think of you and interesting speaker.

Do you think you're staring up? That's all what you want from the McTaggart speaker isn't it? Someone who can't say anything about Jeremy Corbyn that will be quite interesting but what do you think? I was disappointed actually I think McTaggart a traditionally has had someone who has proposed a new paradigm has actually challenge the status Quo with something out there that really makes you think and he may do this something else to be don't know yet.

What is gonna say I'm not sure he's quite in the same calibre.

He's gonna have to really come up with a proposition.

That's going through a maze Stannis or I'm his story is his recollection is track record fantastic.

Great journalist.

Love him too as a broadcaster.

I just thought little bit of a safe site Lazy Trout the I think I say about my target is too few women another white man you know a bit of a shame.

Yeah, I mean that's a good point is what he got to say Jon Snow about the future of streaming media or about Advertiser funding content or you know any of those issues that people in the audience my care about mobile delivery mechanisms of journalists that mean I'm laughing my brains out try and 6 who would be a better who will be a better option.

I'm sure there will be some really interesting folks out there that might be on the Cutting Edge so terrible sound of Netflix haven't asked how in 20 years and we think you're moving videos of number lopes Netflix I don't think he wasn't he was asked everyone is born with the right person asking and the right approach right because it's a great now more news after this dear listener this episode of the media podcast.

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Thanks Thompson using breathe now mate and Paul are still with me and the former culture secretary John whittingdale.

Go to the Independent press standards organisation tips so last week at made.

What was he talking about? So he was talking about the uncertainty that now exists around what exactly is going to happen with section 40 of the Crime and Courts Act obviously in a conservative manifesto.

They talked about scrapping it for appealing this now obviously with the election turning out as it has no longer clear if they're going to have the can political clout till that the power in government and reminders what the significance of section 40 was and why the Tories wanted to repeal is she came out of the Leveson Inquiry and it has can various elements to it, but the bit that scores the most contention.

I guess is that a base it opens the door to people being able to Sue news organisations and put all of the costs even if the news organisation is in the right onto the publishers and what critics say is that almost certainly would have a chilling effect on the type of stories that people can do because the people going to threaten to see you and you're going to.

1000 central in millions of pounds in in kind of legal tangles because of that then you just might not do those really big important stories, so it kind of got put through his acts and now the Conservative Party have said that you know it's basically forcing a journalist said publishers to sign up to a flawed system and that you know that was all these complications and problems inherent in it, but whether it will be repealed.

I mean it's pretty unclear now well.

It's always going to be unclear if it's the former culture secretary talking to it.

So rather than the current one.

I mean why is there not clarity? I think the government is trying to work out 101 different things from the right now and not least you know brexit and all that I'm not sure it's quite clear.

I know there was a kind of briefing paper put out in the House of Parliament library.

Just a few days ago, which kind of outline things doesn't explain where things stood but going forward I think you know as

Coalition of Chaos herbaliser are being built there now.

You know this might be something that comes up for discussion, but it's probably fairly low down on the order of things to to be straightened out at this point he also talked about the need for ipso to get out of the PCC Shadow and he sort of said words the effect of didn't eat let's be honest.

Let's look at what happened.

There's not that much that it's different about what ipsos done so far to what the Beast yeah.

He was kind of making the point that you know it's been around for a few years now and I haven't really been any fines which is one of the things that that you know the powers that they have to go then haven't been any find and the kind of chastising all the raps on the knuckles that have come with been pretty lightweight.

So kind of those critics of the PCC that existed previously intensely that in another form.

No problem.

Sorry to do in Emma Barnett on you, but I'm going to reveal the notes you have in front of you.

You have the entire text of John whittingdale speech there.

Handwritten notes, I want to know what you thought as you read it.

Well.

I did actually read the speech the first thing I said it's a slightly pompously written speech and I did find it very hard to read because he uses not subordinate clauses and you trying to order Potter actually mean John but look at my eyes as you said this is not a me a priority for the government.

I mean go sleep.

Just got to work in majority with the dup without they haven't this is not top of the list.

I mean this is going to be is it going to financially penalised newspapers who otherwise would write stories that they might need to write and they're going to be scared as you say NF was going to make them more cautious to avoid going into cost.

I'm I don't think this is going to be in the next parliament and maybe not the one after that so we're probably going to live with section 40 staying there for the moment and it will some point be repealed but not by minority conservative government and what did you think of his contention that papers could still shrink their costs without closing titles or cutting back on journalism.

Well, I think that's a very very.

Cool things to argue amigos, you know we hear about everyday newspapers which are struggling to make costs meet the issue is people are stopping in a reading papers and advertises of walking away for them.

So I need gosh if he's got a secret sauce for doing that great, but I can't see it mate.

I'm going to guess that you're coming from the similar perspective on that would be fantastic if we had another couple of pages on that speech where he outlines exactly how that could be done, but I don't see anyone know about your next airing on a similar theme the press Gazette have been reporting this week, but the local paper for residents of grenfell tower is one of four in London in threat of closure in 1990 the Kensington and Chelsea reporter had 10 journalists dedicated to the borough now that number may have do you know how many it is sharing resources with

Are the papers may we know that residents have blogged about their safety concerns in grenfell tower, but the mainstream press didn't pick up that story.

It's tempting to say that more local healthy local journalism could have prevented grenfell bodies that idealism to you.

I mean obviously grandpa was it a huge tragedy in that there's a kind of myriad number of factors, but I really do think that local journalism has a huge role to play and kind of flagging some of those issues up and it really does make you think it if it if that's happening in London where all the media is let's go on his virtually all the media is then other similar things you know what's going on in Bradford what's going on in Leeds where there aren't those same kind of you know the Guardian and the Independent and Daily Mail just around the corner so I do think that the local journalism there could have played a huge role in this and there are people can of stepping into the gaps left at these kind of hyperlocal blog popping up and they do amazing work but sometimes it does take that kind of

This is somebody had a full time job doggedly keeping on if it's somebody been putting his questions to the local council and reporting back on the the responses then there may be more attention being paid to Nepal there is a BBC incentive around this isn't are they going to be providing a pool of 150 local reporters that the local Media can use writing Court reports attend Council meetings that sort of thing how do you think that might help local papers and make them viable idea.

I mean I think there's a bigger aspect to this and that is that Grandfather was an accident that happened in grenfell, and the tragedy of course but will that happen elsewhere Could Happen Elsewhere and what's been shocking.

I think it's how many other tower blocks have been club with similar materials that might cause another grenfell Tower disaster knots in London that throughout the the country so I think the great shame is that the story wasn't picked up locally and then pick labrador, London level London level.

There are a lot of local sources London papers, London radio stations, London Television

I'm a really they should have picked it out, but I guess the question is why didn't they maybe they didn't because there was no local joiners from the ground as you say really doing the digging and really doing the attending the meetings and being so I think yes is the answer London is really such a cute region that you do need some local newspapers John Lewis doing now work because otherwise he seems will step-by-step.

Eye.

I think any scheme that can help to ensure that people are actually on the ground and really causing councils to be held to account is a good thing and they've they're still this romantic idea isn't there of the kind of the spotlight team beavering away for 6 months working on to investigative journalism which in itself is I mean.

It's almost egocentric.

Isn't it? It's about those individual saying I've discovered everything about this story sometimes our investigative journalist their own worst enemy presents.

They don't like to pool resources.

They won't want to use what the BBC reporting.

Egocentrism as much as just kind of your obsession and and you can't really think of anything else and you forget what else you talk about with your friends because all you know is this one really nice bit of a council legislation or whatever it might be but I do think yeah collaboration.

Is is a really important thing going forwards.

You know we have seen it in London and and across the UK there are some of these kind of a conglomerate groups.

I like archant investigations which has only 2 1/2 people understand it, but they do amazing things and you know Emma you're there.

Just one day the Paul Foot award you mention turn the previous show she writes for 10 different papers across London well, so she's kind of scrambling and she's doing investigations and she's doing reporting but what we're doing at the bureau of investigative journalism is we had this Bureau local project where we're trying to setup a network kind of akin to the icij is you know global reach where the idea is that?

The end product is bigger than the sum of its parts.

We have 360 journalist and local tech people across the UK and if we get everybody working on one big story and feeding in a kind of collaborating and sharing methodology and inspirations then that can kind of help to drive local reporters and and and they can find their own stories in bigger data sets or whatever it might be well perhaps the answer is robots.

Have you seen this stuff? Will take care of some of the more tedious elements of journalism and explain their talking about automating certain system so that they can handle pull-down big datasets easily slice them up really quickly.

I think they're talking about even using some you know kind of automated tools to write some of the copy around that and then those which had to be sent out and they would do some of the heavy lifting around the big day.

Peter Falk for local reporters I guess what I would say to Dad is from my experience data is always the starting point to a story it's a great lead but then you have to do extra work on top of that and I'm not sure they're automation can do the whole picture so yeah, you can slide at the data, but if you don't know what happening in your local area and you don't have people on the ground there, then you don't know why this anomaly might be happening.

If there's some really obvious explanation that might explain it all the way if it even has a new story at all.

I'm in Poole this obviously isn't entirely philanthropic idea on the behalf of Google is there in the business of collecting data and generating more they say but I don't have to do this and it will assist some journalists does that good outweigh the potential bad which is the proprietors might think we can save even more money that cupper Junior researcher.

Well.

There's always a risk.

I'm not sure that Google is philanthropic goes together is always an oxymoron that but I think the term the important point is already made and that is that it may well help with some of the drug.

Train some of the largest highlighting a potential stories in the end of day a journalist has to do the work has to ask the questions as to the thinking as to the leg work, but if predictive algorithms can be used to identify data that my Trafford introduce story and then adjourned can pick them up and take it on it might just save a bit of money.

I desperately hoped that this is not using excuse to cut a Jealous resources, but actually to improve services and I suspect we met in that with some rather funny stories good day today and do this can't you just imagining the future your data throwing up a story that say fruit in a van as a blue or something extra cash for the story automatically input is nonsense going to happen is now almost certainly well.

That's not the bombing in a regular customer very good breakfast.

So basically Sunday morning actually be here Sunday morning walk down there nice breakfast walk back in her sleep of the afternoon sticking with website his let's talk about SoundCloud the music and podcast hosting platform this week's techcrunch reported.

They are running out of cash now whilst SoundCloud have now strongly denied that that is the case the facts of this month a cup 40% of their workforce and they shut down their offices in San Francisco and in London airport.

There's going to be a lot of users worried about their audio right now.

How do you think it's that serious well? I think it is because we know that SoundCloud as spending more than they running so although they have currently got enough cash to see them through I think that's factually accurate they will run out of cash again unless they can cut their costs increased earnings.

I'm thirsty basic problems with SoundCloud the first thing is it's not a clear proposition.

They haven't got deals with all the record company said just on the deal universal music.

They haven't got a deal with Sony

Amber costs are too high.

I mean they pay very very well at the average salary.

There is £79,000 so you can buy BBC standards.

That's incredibly well paid and then got 236 people do you have to ask what they're all doing and they've completely fail to get their business model right.

There's not launch a subscription service yet, so you've got Spotify just doing it better and with greater clarity to the promised SoundCloud really is being around lunchtime have an innovative haven't really kept up.

No one is really clear what they therefore.

I guess it is a sense their kind of a desktop proposition in the mobile world aren't they as well as I said earlier if you know you said her occasionally but it's not a destination as what are the alternatives or a podcast so if you were young R&B artist where else? Would you upload to SoundCloud disappear just launched?

The kind of fine having read around that was the free hosting platform that seemed to make sense.

I think people are now going to be scrambling.

There are universities other platforms there be a Cassini audioboom types forum foot for podcasting, but I'm not social for music and for this other stuff and I don't really resonates so much with the public.

Yeah, I know it's true.

I have to believe that if SoundCloud go under someone else will come along and do something better and similarly there are some things that you need to the technology Facebook me to that yes, I'm sure I have it soon because then copying everything Happy Birthday to the new European friends of the show the newspaper was planned to be just a pop up for a few weeks after the EU referendum, but it's still with us know.

What do you think the print Media can?

Send from the success of the new European newspaper.

Don't pull together what 9 days when they from starting to launch church the getting it together and is kept going and is getting in a respectable readership numbers that something to take part in I think and I think it should be so kind of young journalist coming up and Ferb people have been in the business for years and years eve should open your eyes to other potential other possibilities.

We don't have to stick with the same old players.

Yeah, I grew that I mean sensible business model to you know for journalists, so they cut the cloth accordingly good writing you know a a point of view was that it helps that you can get Alastair Campbell Tony Blair to just right for you because they want to but not every local paper can do that if you if there's people you want to read in whoever it is column.

It's alright as other people in appointed you you will make an effort to go and read those people if they write interesting things you want to read and and they're does that on the negative side so negative it is only a year.

So let's see I mean the first year is hard the second year is harder so I hope they're there in when we talking in a year's time.

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Enjoy responsibly drinkaware.co.uk I have various just time now for our Media quiz.

This week it's entitled innocent dissemination.

I'm going to make a series of potentially libellous and totally untrue statements based on actual news stories from the week.

Your job panelists is to correct me and apologise before anyone's suit and it's the best of three buzzing with your name.

So maybe we'll say and pull you will save the winners here is potentially libellous story number one buzzing when you think you know which story I've nearly got right Peter Capaldi poses naked in the sun.

This that horrible story about certain newspapers publishing still images from Jodie Whittaker the new Doctor Who as being an actor in her past has done some scenes where she may have appeared with naked without clothes and they can confirm if he has yes be removed in the pictures.

The gas at certain publications decided to celebrate the news of the very first female doctor to buy plastering those images all over there which didn't help when there was already a row about whether or not the reaction to it being sexist on Twitter and all the rest of it on the other hand you know whether or not you think I was appropriate it seems to me depends on whether or not you'd think they do the same for a male counterpart now.

I don't remember them publishing image of Christopher eccleston's papers, but if a male Doctor Who was announced and in their screen history, they had done the sex scene that they publish the pictures just to say my in which case I make a fuss.

Yeah, you know I did try and look back Stewart bit of a Google did David Tennant because I'm not arguing over and they're pretty sure a couple of his time.

I don't recall from memory when he was announced that that those were supposed to happen in the old days to you know I've been thinking about William Hartnell and Patrick Rouse number.

Sure, they did nothing salacious in their careers.

I'm sure that it's right and I'm sure Tom bakers bits a very good.

I look forward to very much for that.

I've been watching as you can see for 30 + years in his potentially libellous story number 2 buzzing when you can identify which story of nearly got right the department for culture media and sport is changing its name to the Department of clickbait misogyny and Slack threads.

Maypole yes, they are doing exactly that no, they're changing their name, but they're they're still being the dcms body is going to be a double d fuel excise department and digital to the department for digital culture media and sport and I think this is going to ask for 10 years and in 10 years time, but it will go again because you know what in 10 years time everything be digital this bit like saying mind me on radio stations you soon as CD show who does that anymore so a digital department will be every department and so it will come nonsense before the moment.

They're saying we cool.

We trendy we understand it still we gonna have this will try name 2017 little and Steve Wright in the afternoon realise my news from the web feature was out of date night was 7 years ago at hear a story number 3 all local radio stations are purveyors of filth.

Mate mate, that may well be true, but I think that the story that you're referring to is a pirate radio person who is hacking into local radio shows in Mansfield I believe rat and playing a rather rude song about masturbation.

Sexy this song goes back to 1978 and you tell us what the song is.

I haven't heard it is either Biggin I was actually.

Cox and Cox used to be a regular on that's life so he was to appear on Esther Rantzen That's Life and this song came out if I did made the top 40 it made number 22 in 1978 so the BBC and all the chart shows couldn't play it.

So it was bleeped out or band what they are the rotations.

I can't really say the title.

I really don't want to say the time though even in the song from 1970s all you need to know the name of the record.

497 ta20 of modern songs about when congratulations that is it for our show today my thanks to Paul Robinson and Maeve mcclenaghan, you can catch up with previous episodes and get the latest one as soon as they're released by subscribing for free on our website vmedia podcast.com by the way we're still looking for dedications for the second half of this year, so this week's episode is dedicated to no one if you'd like the next one to be dedicated to you.

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