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Dedicate ok here's the show hello and welcome to the media podcast I'm Paul Robinson on today show BBC Three and ounces of raft of new shows but after it disappears on television screens Will Young of us go online to watch them the Guardian search the ways to reduce running costs.

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That's all coming up on this edition of the media podcast this is the media podcast recording as usual at the hospital club in Covent Garden I'm Paul Robinson sitting in for Olly man.

Who is spending some time with his family so all of us here at the media podcast send our love and look forward to welcome you back to the presenters chair very soon in the meantime.

It's a special one-off appearance only from me because I couldn't do this on my own so I've been trying by to do the media world that Steve Ackerman the managing director of

Tent company something else hello Paul and journalist Maggie Brown welcome to both hello Steve a month into 2016 has January been busy for you very busy actually surprisingly soca sometimes it can be a little bit quiet.

I think traditionally but it seems there's a lot of people who do have commissions and opportunities and wants the money and particularly in the online world actually in the online.

Yeah, ok more about that later.

I'm sure I'm Aggie we haven't seen you since October so what have you been doing the last 6 months 4 months when I'm actually and plotting volume to my history of Channel 4 at least I'm putting together some sort of respect for it which champion is taking a little bit of time and I don't know if it will float but some here's hoping a very good time.

I would say to have another look at the Fate of Channel 4 Channel 4 six results be very much part of the current story, so that's a very time interval welcome both of you and we start this week with the radars the radio Industries quarterly measure listenership these Leigh

Disfigures cover October to December 2015 and I always eagerly awaited by broadcast is not least of course commercial stations, which consider advertising rates based on these numbers are well.

I'm already a person to of course but I won't ask him myself about the figures Mr Steve stoute from these figures digital DAB station and continues to be a success story really and I think it continues to be a real highlight in terms of risk taking an innovation.

You know some of the shows they do our genuine things you cannot hear Elsewhere and the brave of the playlist continues to be rewarded, so that's that's very interesting obviously lots of newspapers or a Keynes pick up on the Christmas story the headline of the spin was that these with the highest figures on breakfast Rex of emphatic something like 10 years.

I think when you dig underneath that little bit.

It's maybe not quite as dramatic as that it's great these figures are up, but he's a stone hitting about 200000.

People now let's be fair.

It's very early in the evolution of this show and he's a he's a broadcast you obviously overtime.

I'm sure we'll deliver audiences for XFM but I can't help but feel maybe the one thing that does difficult for him is he just isn't enough of the publicity machine behind him that he didn't Radio 1.

We're almost everything he said and did could create generate headlines with your pussy could help deliver more audience to the to the show but global do spend a lot of money on TV advertising for him.

That's that's running.

I shall also my cinema when I went a couple weeks ago.

It's a lot of money being spent on Marching On usually for a commercial station which is Which is great to see actually, but it's clearly going to take time I suppose maybe more interesting is underneath miles is the fact that lots of the London Breakfast Show did do pretty well and they're fake their figures were out so commercial radio should have known the way a little bit and and getting bits and pieces but yeah that that more story.

I think don't quite.

Have the traction that maybe the headline suggested so maybe I remember when I was at the BBC 1993 when the late great Terry Wogan went back on breakfast on Radio 2 for the first time of wake up to Wogan it took about 9 months until his audience figures move so didn't there's more in the Chris Moyles auditor radio audience bucket for you because I'm not really a natural Chris Moyles fan, obviously but he is very good as his own self publicity he's not slow at coming forward, so there will be more generated by him and we can be sure of that really.

There will be created events.

What say he is a very seasoned professional and 4 years ago.

I thought when he left the breakfast starts on Radio 1 that he would be accommodated somewhere else within the BBC he doesn't really translate into television.

That's one of his problems.

He isn't ambidextrous as you might say um say any of the others are which is Terry Wogan obviously supreme Lisa and Chris Evans as well, so I think that they're probably will be a bit more now.

I'm in there.

He's part of a huge company now that the global they can they can spend their way into I would have thought of biggest chef but when you look what what struck me actually about the the radars work.

You've got capital magic kiss hot or very close together in a minute.

So fiercely competitive market with and we are not exactly you know where huge gorillas, but they're all fighting for you know very well in many ways after went interesting are busy audience people out and about spending so if it everything to play for I would say you make a good point capital now back on top of number one, but it does have Epsom Close have been the request I get his where is Chris Moyles audience going to come from if he's going to add more who is going to lose out where they're going to come from these new listeners thing about Christmas is inside out.

What two elements to him in terms of where the audience might come from CD part of that XF radio x on our hoping is going to be from a musical perspective in it in that people come across the Tyne NE6 music is a bit too edgy for them, but obviously radio x is a bit more challenging than your traditional pop station and then there's more of himself as an entertainer and that's I think of them what happened to my radio one that he was attracting much older than it should because he was genuinely really entertaining to listen to when he's on his fantastic.

You're no good breakfast show hosts do need time to bed in need to get used to the format and and get their facing right, but I think you've been pretty brave to bet against him in terms of delivering some some sort of some sort of results and I think some of that audience will come from people who are looking for an entertainer listening that will mean that it probably chips.

Wait a little bit of some of the commercial stations.

Do you think it would be no PC World oh? No, I mean I mean Ferraris fantastic, but but but certainly radio ones but if your little bit vulnerable at the top end of it's all yours because I don't think it's a good show.

And I just Nick Grimshaw a little bit of had a reasonable rate Grimshaw very very small amount but you might argue giving his X Factor profile.

You should have gone up much more Maggie and this is Nick Grimshaw you know where it's going to go to that is Pikachu thing that you have to remember losing audience isn't such a terrible thing A4 Radio 1 if if you're losing the right sort of audience ie the older end of and then let's just face it you know it's very hard to judge Radio 1 in terms of any of the other stations because it has is very tight demographic mission the other thing that strikes me there about these rages is of course Radio 4 remains the most popular the speech networks in in London and it has had a really really good timer 1 station in London over all.

When we have had I mean it's been quite horrible news in a way, but there's always something to make you turn the radio on and in my opinion.

It would all be at least that's what happens to meet you can't help but feel engaged and greet sporting news as well, so I think that when you look at figures and people will I I I don't actually like this call to the radar think I probably have a little rant about it myself in the past it in a way.

It's very you have to look long-term at what's really going on and we all know that these Diaries and whatever our kind of you know that they can be a little bit less than accurate but fundamentally what's what's going on is that we living in a huge period of a news and changed and that that ought to be alter radios advantage on the Music front as well.

You know when you look at the stars who sadly passing does at least get radio written about until at least four times a year.

We should mention 6 Music cuz again.

It's a great success as steep as mentioning and Steve Lamacq who's got over a million listeners for the first time.

.0 million listeners for digital station that's really quite an amazing achievement anything going on there 6 Music as you can point to so many bits of their schedule and and see really good performances going on on individual shows as well as looking at programs that are just a great listen and also many great surprise in the music in you turn on 6 Music and you hit things you would never may be expected here starts at side of anybody's expectations is also very good numbers 873000 listening to learners 18 behind the scenes used used used it in them now and a way that you didn't do a few a few years ago, You Know The Ledge by Paul Rodgers enough of his dinner fantastic genuine confidence and you and you can hear that you can do it come out speakers.

Critique of a commercial radio I think lots of commercial rental groups of increased their audiences Bauer global free radio in the Midlands commercial radio looking like it's no longer actually declining but actually may now be picking up audience and and building and growing Steve what professional in their approach and it was really really well and they can really push the baby's it's better for the BBC but it's also really really crucial commercial radio can can drive and and and personality know I'm quite pleased to see our global continuing its its policy as an officer.

Just announced heart extra.

They're going to roll out enough to last quarter was was radio x starting to come into its own so I think those all positive signs for commercial radio Now talking of listeners.

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It's been a busy few weeks in the world of broadcasting and the press so let's bring you up to speed we start with the relaunch of BBC3 the channel will lose its broadcast slots on Freeview Sky Virgin and others on the 16th of February to be replaced by content which is made available on the BBC iPlayer before eventually getting a late night airing on BBC One or BBC Two at the glitzy launch party this month controller Damian Kavanagh claim the BBC is the first broadcast in the world the movie Channel from TV2 online so it Maggie you got your ear to the ground is.

Launch a week or celebration it supposed to it.

Isn't it this clearly awake because it's coming off of a linear television and it's still very alive and kicking despite the fact that clearly there is a very big shift to certainly amongst younger people it's to do with with money.

That's the basic problem.

I think that if the BBC was secure in its licence fee funding then this would not be happening.

I always thought it was a bit of a strange channel there in the sense that the factory don't it doesn't really start broadcasting till 7 because it's just bizarre, and it does kind of belong to a candlemas digital dinosaur age.

You could say because clearly if it really is going to tightly focused on 16 to 34 year olds and they said they're not going to wait till 7 to necessarily be attracted to the channel at some of the things about this are quite sensor.

I'd like the thought that for example some of the new commissions that they're bringing to the fore are short form commissions very dear to people watching and listening on tablets or smartphones or whatever on the move broadcasting and I was only this week interviewing the director of War and Peace and something really struck me when I say I've been asking him sister Sunday's Observer know how he came at 35 to be doing this amazing piece of work.

He directed all six episodes.

It's a huge sea year-long project and he's done it as we all know with a plant and one of the training grounds.

He had was the 3 minute wonders that used to be on Channel 4 between the news and 8 and this Sunday sort of dovetailed with what in my mind anyway, what channel BBC3 rather is is trying to do because they are as she goes through and I'm pick the plans and I know they will put forward in the great.

Events but there is a lot of shorter form stuff that will open up doors to new Talent new Talent in the same age group of the people that they are hoping to attract.

That's really important because you don't want BBC Street to be run by old suits you want the new Cool Kids running out and you want new Talent in so from that point of view.

I've slightly changed my position on BBC Three and sort that actually some of these developments May in rich genuinely enrich television and broadcasting culture because there will be new people who are going to emerge from this who are not just having to play around with some children's TV tight budget, but I'll sort it may be making programming that can be developed and some of it to will be screened remember.

I certainly for the the original content on BBC2 and BBC One at that other points in in their schedules.

Creativity, what about the risk for that without a scheduled programme durations are managed to maybe things go on longer than they should because there's no longer the constraints of a Schedule slowly what happened if you look at some of the commissions that town Amazon is doing I mean the man in the high Castle that the dramatization which Frank spotnitz has just directive and produces some of those episodes of different times.

You're not you are not so constrained in the digital and what I mean.

Yes, it is and that there are occasions in television and the last episode of One Piece on Sunday is longer because they needed more time in order to fit in all that has to happen.

You know the Battle of borodino is etc etc and I mean you could really put it disappears because that's the thing that there are cases where programs are allowed to fill the time they need in order to achieve what they have to achieve so I didn't find that so necessarily bad in fact it is a

Reschedule, it means that when they come to be fitted in to BBC One on BBC Two probably be tucked away somewhere and look I'm not saying this is the world's best decision, but I am saying that out of if you like a marriage of Convenience with with the online world that some very good things may come out of it, but we all know is well documented it came out of a money decision and sometimes were people going to a shim it can be difficult to take a risk taking decision, but when you look at young audiences in the way they behave this is absolutely the right thing and when we get me know your question .7 of those who don't have broadband in a bit truth is the vast majority of the population does now have broadband and for those who don't it's coming and the BBC doesn't need to start thinking about this audience because you can see if anybody has a teenage child can see the media behaviour of that audience and it is not about sitting down on the sofa having a a loyalty to a to a channel.

It's about searching out the content that most abused you normally through to another screen to a laptop or a or a mobile or tablet and so I think in that sense.

It will serve the Lord is not just about the minute is going up.

It's also about minute.

It's going down in the sense of a lot of content you know schedule tyres U2 30-minute minimum blocks and I think this already.

It's a lot of content needs to be delivered in much shorter form content and the challenge with the BBC is in this space is already catching up with with other online players who are way ahead of them in terms of trying to reach these audiences.

What about the timing of this Maggie this is happening before charter renewal of we've just discovered that Charlotte Moore is now going to be in charge of BBC1 BBC2 BBC4 and the iPlayer commissioning so no controllers for BBC 2 and 4, but there is a controller BBC3 this is not rather hot yes, I think it is and I noticed it straight away.

They will probably say that Sandwell you know basically the other channels are having editors, so they've been.

demoted what is worrying about this decision of making Charlotte Moore the Supremo in in intellivision commissioning is that it's a huge water front cover this does hachi occur at Channel 4 because Jay Hunt is also the director of content and of course she can spread her programming and her patronage you might say Sutton her pics over Channel 4 for an E4 plus all the other bits and pieces they do but beat the BBC has a much bigger programme budget and it's also in a way even more sharply kind of delineating where things are going to go one of the greatest strengths of say BBC dramas has been they have had a very excellent departure controller Ben Stevenson but other for ideas of come up to other parts of the UK there were a number of points you could go in which to sort of put your case and

See if you get a sympathetic ear the worry is that if you centralise things that you won't get that kind of you know a diverse sense of judgement and and picking of ideas.

It's a lot of power to put in somebody's hands, but it also costs depends on what happens below that structure because of what we were in the middle of and I was surprised the decision was made so quickly that what were in the middle of is a BBC a trying to cut costs desperately and secondly also trying to figure out how to handle if you like the continuation of channels, but an increase in the amount of programming that can be accessed by a out of schedules online but not within a linear schedule, so that they still struggling to work out how to spend their budget properly in a bit now.

Profiling Mark Lindsey for the Royal television Society for television magazine and of course he's only acting director of television and I think he wouldn't know himself particularly, but what you also have to remember is that the BBC also has a big entertainment commitments and still wishes to keep that I made you could say at the moment if you look at the BBC schedule.

Will you know it's charter anyway.

Don't you? I mean face look at look at what is being thrown on screen and in the Sunday night schedule Street sample and who that is appealing sick and I can tell you in two weeks time there's an absolutely wonderful.

I mean really wonderful adaptation of them.

John le Carre the night manager cast to the nines.

You know Tom Hiddleston Hugh Laurie Tom hollander.

It's magnificent and it's 30 million Dollar Baby she's only put one third of that but nonetheless.

It's a really really good.

Drama nap when you think about it you've got the sort of sense at the moment that that you cannot not keep your audience happy and that includes entertainment nav Mark Lindsay is in his 50s.

He has produced so many entertainment shows he's kept Strictly Come Dancing on its tippitoes.

It's not in the you know Britain's Got Talent alternate well.

We know it's late, but not in the X Factor who knows what to do with Talents and all the rest of it whether he survives this restructure.

I have no idea but it would be strange wouldn't it? Not to have some older and wise and experienced people especially when you're having to do things like find a way of religion Top Gear as well.

I'm sticking with online streaming from moment lots of talk this week about 310 or Giants apple Amazon and

Google wanting to get their hands on the right to stream American football games Steve surprise, I'm not at work.

I'm surprised they're the only ones bidding but I'm not surprised when you look at the names that you see because obviously when your tongue that sports rights and and really I suppose the NFL alongside probably NBA and I'll see our premier league are the three you know crown jewel leagues in the world that go for huge amounts the figures can't keep going up and less new entrants are coming in and when you look around you is very difficult in the broadcast landscape to see who who are the new entrants who's pockets are deep enough and you know frankly one of these guys drundoo Amazon apple.

They're trying to be exactly the same play that Rupert Murdoch did we sky 25 years ago which is to say I want to only thing that people read it will bring the audience and for murder 25 years ago 30 years ago that was the football it was movies because in those those movies were sort of rare resource these days.

It's harder to see what those things are apart from those sporting events and their.

For when you think about that logic.

I think it's really interesting to see them coming into the space and been linked with these rights, but when you really think about it.

It's not that surprising and do they know any other examples mean if there is a good one because there's such as an international falling for it, but it is a one-off or are there other examples where they might also be well.

I think I think it's the other the other sporting contest and the Premier League in and around the new deal comes into play next season and then it's always only 80 months to years after that they start to start the renegotiation process again and I think I'm I think I'm right in saying that the international sign for the Premier League right now with 3 billion so huge amounts of money.

I mean 5 billion for UK bid 3 billion for international very difficult to see next time round at some of these players Amazon apple and others aren't going to be interested in whether they can get the online rights for the footy, but we'll talk more about support later in the Olympics but that's now moved to the printing Street and the Guardian where parent company guardian news and media was looking to make savings of 50 million pounds in order to cut it's running cost by 20.

Maggie does this mean that journalist jobs are on the line festival let me just say I think it's the most awful news and it's if it's causing a huge shock one of the reasons.

It's causing a huge shock is that it had appeared that the strategy since 2011 in fact have been to carefully pruned costs, but to ensure that the losses were reduced to build up this big cushion of the cash or Investments which indeed has happened and that the expansion in America and then Australia was going to be very carefully done this time to ensure that it really did contribute why all the time of course this being an open journalism, which you didn't have to pay for now.

I know this because in 2011 when Andrew Miller the the person who ran the Guardian until 6 or 8 months ago.

I was invited to his office and he breathe me and

He then has done many briefings over the intervening years about the direction of travel everybody thought they understood that there was even a point where there were redundancies amongst the Janice about a hundred or so, but they were negotiated and there was no strike because there is a no strike and there are no importa redundancy real at the the Guardian that's always run itself in a very sort of civilized way, but the scale of these losses compared with about 20 million year ago.

I will know the full figures when they came out too much.

Just has taken most people's breath away and it's been increased by the fact that the Investment fund has also lost money one can understand that but it does look as if there's been an extremely large amount of cash going out and also when you look at the figures.

I I may or may not be right but not my understanding is that costs operating costs have gone up say about 23% in five years and the actual income coming in Sabine

About 10% so this is a terrible recipe know something about the way the Guardian is running itself seems to me to be just a bit rash and it could be that the answer is of course that reducing the amount of paid sales from a print newspaper that you get your making yourself ever more dependent on revenue from advertising which includes digital advertising or if that is not as a growing as fast as you hope which it hasn't wash it hits a glitch then you are if you like we vulnerable and if you're still recruiting which appears to have been the case adding to your numbers.

I mean I won't figures 479 people added over 3 years so they're up to these aren't Natalya jaundice.

You know that the operational people on everything you you end up with a very what appears to be an organisation whose costs are out of kilter with the market there in so it's either you ask me the original question will join the snooze.

Jobs well, it is seems quite likely doesn't it? Because you that you can't make such big cuts 20% cuts 50 million lbs.

Ok over a phased in but these at these are quite stock figures and people really have I mean people are really short.

I will be the impact on the Guardian the Observer newspapers.

I don't know I'm in the Observer I'm writing for the sweetest very very lightly and stuff.

I know obviously that they're going to have to conserve Cash I mean that's the first thing you will do.

They threw example put on Ice project.

They should never probably gone into which is to create this arena in the midlands and goods shed which is part of the Kings Cross development.

There's also I don't know if this is true or not, but they're going to have to look at everything including maybe the cost of their current officers which are extremely nice.

What are expensive people coming in there two coming out of advertising agencies marketing places and that's be nothing very integral to the strategy to try and reach new revenues, but obviously when you're looking at cats it can be really difficult to decide do you stay stay because was something you you think might produce revenues going for but may not yet be returned if you look so it looks are the three divisions looking at different things.

Do you know that the audience is the branded content and the newspapers say you've got 3 bits of working apparently and tandem, but what what would seem to be the case as that they perhaps are not necessarily working towards the same financial constrict.

I typed the other thing about the Guardian British this is what's really in my heart.

This is what's really worrying me.

It is that you know it it has a structure which is has defended the newspapers were wonderfully well through the Scott trust which is one body which the former editor.

Hospital chairs now and that it has obviously company side which is the company that runs the the Guardian and observer and other bits so quite where decisions are made and how they made a idea.

I don't fully understand but it seems to me that cuts both sides on some something's gone wrong.

I would have thought on the communication regarding like all the other newspapers is if you were starting this now.

You wouldn't structure something like that the way it's structured because you say he is a brand has to be developed across every every platform and the quality of its filmed audio contact has to be a strong as it's as it's writing content and you think about the investment and how you developed that granted challenge Sayer Radio 4 Randall and economy store or source of some of those in it and it's it's very much is a newspaper outsider that the challenge with the Taliban from the Guardian and and many other papers is pretty much the same where you've got a big print entity and you're trying to bolt on things around the edges that you think of.

Even now but still everything is there to sort a hold up the print entity in and I'm not sure going forward you know what the numbers.

Don't lie leadership is going down year after year after year.

So you was getting some paper paper terribly expensive to buy they've made the content free no one option yes would be that you stop doing a paper edition physical Edition and you move completely to an online version except one the problem so excited here is the digital revenues of not business class as they walked out of the revenues not coming in to Manchester events are coming really worry things that must be the future.


This is look at that.

I know when people say that's above my paygrade.

I mean I haven't got the full figures in front of me, but clearly you can tell from the reaction that something very serious is going on and the Guardian I didn't know again if the UK press Gazette was right, but it said as a claim to know that the Times and Sunday Times behind their pay what was were actually profitable so.

The question packs now for the Guardian is Cannock retrofit, it's model to maybe have more paid content on top of the plant branded content you know you mention organisations like The Economist and they do the F2 as well you could say but I'm in The Economist does managed to do both IT Manager straddle, Both Worlds really really well, how it developed itself is a multi-platform protein by that.

I don't mean a written property.

I do mean the other forms of Media that it creates movie to listen to The Guardian elsewhere.

Will leave it there.

I'm sure we return to the surface again, but listen I go back to TV and arise news cease broadcasting the English language news channel was broadcast from London and aimed at the African audiences, how much the term loads to creditors isn't quite noblesse misplaced dead between 1 and 3 million pounds Maggie and monks those are freelance journalist and other staff based in London so did anybody see this coming?

Proceeded writers who is another one of the creditors and a couple of TV companies supplying staffing and Talent and content to them.

I do I don't know much about about this channel.

I'm afraid I might be honest about it, but I feel very sorry for everybody who is owed appears to be a million pound so so who's going involved Steve and it's like those Court action pending when is Maggie said clearly and Miss manage business owners haven't even Scarborough Court out and they're pretty savvy so they were pulling the plug at the last minute weren't they ok listen to export then and Olympic games that remain on the BBC until 2024 at the earliest after corporation struck a deal with Discovery the US owner of Eurosport who snapped up the Pan-European rights to summer and winter games until 2024 and a deal with the International Olympic Committee last June deals worth just under 1 billion pounds Steve this looks like a win for BBC Sports the time when the corporation is losing rights to have a sport like F12 Channel 4 for example.

Wait really crucial for the BBC in writing about the Olympics it is it's really the Glastonbury of Sport in terms of is only a small number broadcasters who could really dive deep in the way the BBC can through the amount of platforms.

It's got an I know as part of this story Discovery had looked at that could be partly do some this Currys do their free to air channels and another ITV also been keen to bed, but when you look at the way the BBC comedy Olympics last time and it was a home Olympic side maybe it's that's not necessarily as above average example, but even so the ability they've got to obviously provide online coverage to avoid red button coverage plays very well to their strengths and I don't think it's the big disaster something make out that some of the sports rights go go elsewhere to the BBC it is for some key Crown Jewels but that is the world women now but for the Olympics I think that's really important that the BBC were able to get it and they got this long-term deals.

They can really plan ahead so where they still Maggie they will have enough to fill to TV

Channels, but not the same sort of depth before so how's it going to work between the BBC coverage and the coverage on Eurosport event to the UK will be the ones that the BBC is going to surely focus on the thing about your supporters that surely Discovery they've obviously done a very closely negotiated deal.

So they want they're incredibly commercial.

I mean David zaslav is absolutely a Ferocious a man, but he's able to use I think Dominic Coles who's to work at the BBC so they've obviously been able to find a way of Passing these things up to everybody's advantage and if a lot of the other stuff is on Eurosport for example as well as Discovery I don't know what they're going to do then discerning viewers who really mad about Sutton sports will be able to find it in an in km or commercial environment, but I didn't think it's the end of the world at all and this is clearly.

The way the world is going which is it in all big high glossy Events there's going to be shared rice.

It seems to me and I think I've got to stop thinking necessarily into the channel terms.

Are they made getting off content filter journals, but it's a question whether you obviously put all that continent as when I don't know whether the rights would extend to allow them to do red button north or iPlayer content alternate route through the websites the way they have done previously but that surely the way they got to start thinking it's about moving audiences from one platform to another depending on what they're doing and where they are in terms of the time of day and then audience behaviour doesn't matter the BBC that they have had to do a deal with Discovery rather than doing a deal directly with the Olympic organisations or listener and as long as I can still access it probably not the BBC's radio write a non-exclusive so who might step into complete their thinking well, talkSPORT is obviously going to be a very high on the agenda 111.

Think it doesn't seem to be many other players there unless of course you something Leftfield happens.

I'm in a few years ago.

We did of absolute going for football rights and it was certainly wonderful to Someone Like LBC starting to think how how do they branch out from from their course beach offering to sort of you know target new audiences and €4 for Maggie's is going to produce the surge in viewership to Eurosport on Eurosport now and Discovery really being invested in there was a bit of a second-rate channel there now really shooting up to Premier League I might as well as I do that it was the home of a great many of the sort of European broadcasting Union rights Cineworld West sport really it is is the new rock and roll live sports is incredibly valuable.

I want anyone to Eurosport more than I ever used to my life, so I think I'm not I'm sure I'm just one small little cold in in in audiences voting and it's got a very good position on the

Guide as well, so gpg.

Yes, so I need the prominence over yes, Simon Goodall Discovery discovery on in any sense of this is the new reality the real key thing is that the BBC keeps its integrity as a British Broadcasting Corporation and then when it comes to International Events like a huge was like the Olympics just won't be in London they have to ensure that their coverage is all geared to what two people at home paying a licence fee really want to see and who did they wanted their experts telling them about the event that's what really matters test your knowledge them for we get to the quiz properly a couple of bonus questions here so see you can get the answer no prizes, but just the sheer credibility and I only can do so tell me which cities are hosting the games.

They're not be shared by the BBC news sport in 2016.

X o give you 13 minutes in China it is an Asian countries not signing in South Korea 2020 also in Asia go quite close to his correct 2022 Winter Olympics is that the one in Beijing Beijing is correct and 30024 can you name any of the cities competing for them pics in 2024 and you've got to us and Europe for cities Berlin not Berlin Maggie worth against competing for the 2024 Olympics not made radio one will get Steve and then we'll get some money out of me know Steve Austin no wrong.

Romy Harris Budapest or Los Angeles now be announced in September next year so a few points table.

I've lost count so let's move on to the podcast.

And saucers return inevitably lights of the media podcast quiz there been a few boardrooms reshuffled recently so we play musical chairs with the broadcasting bigwigs the loser sits on the floor the winner sits on the throne.

So? Who is Stepping down tongue who's taking over Kevin lygo.

Who's always been there? So it's all change question to who has channel hops away from the BBC and Kim from BBC Good Good talented lost.

I mean thick sample you know look at the Delaware which she spoke people like Brian Cox through and as a bonus who's been promoted to take charge BBC one who for Shalimar is.

BBC 1/2 point for that may gigs it's quite an easy bonus questions that she was very quickly then which son has returned to the Fold Ladock James James murder mystery is becoming chairman of Skye and would think it all means what's super Kashan has Sky it means I think it means that another beardies imminent from from Fox to buy Sky box will try and get full control sky making depends on the share price and depends on a number of things but some clearly there's unfinished business and it is whether we like it or not a very successful company it said a bit of a crossroads because of the cold cutting that may or may not fit it to hit it so I can see why the Murdoch family with most certainly feel they need to come back and go through.

I don't know clearly relieved.

I mean it in the broadcasting world.

It's very interesting because both the BBC and Channel 4 you could say were wrong footed may be dismayed by the fact that there was a conservative win last year, but you can imagine That Tune another part of broadcasting.

It was very very cheerfully greeted by a Murdoch in some formal.

I will have to space.

I am not forecast in strange things happen.

I recognise to two and a half in Maggie with a bonus of a half is just about the winner for this week never wonderful celebration celebrate with a nice cup of coffee maybe later.

Another teen spit that's it today.

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