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It's a bank holiday week, so traditionally it's quite quiet in radio isn't it in the highest you forward a week at I think this is the calm before the storm that is next week because next week.

Courses radiodiary Globe in London will be doing Radar and we'll do it go to the podcast awards and all stuff like that and young areas as well so quite a busy week next week.

So I think we can just take this opportunity to chill excellent and we can talk about really geeky technical stuff because that's the only needed around that there is really so let's start with this one from Ofcom they're going to advertise some more DAB multiplexes woop.

Yeah, they said there was a few more to come and everybody was expecting Cumbria would get one and pulley for Cumbria because they're getting to Devon House Plans 12 x 1 from Morecambe Bay which spreads into South Cumbria and one designed to cover the North and West of Cumbria and South West Scotland which is pretty much what the bay was a heart North Lancashire South Cumbria so Barrow Kendal Windermere Lancaster Morecambe itself and then the north of Cumbria which is worth it.

Northern Salvage with the two populations areas of course and the west so at Workington Carlisle and then up to Gretna as well, so the North and South will be pretty much covered and then the few sheep in the middle now off to continue without local depot.

Yeah, I was in that area not so long ago myself actually driving back from central Scotland back down to Yorkshire and yeah, that's huge waves on my DAB radio well.

It wasn't really picking up anything it was even struggling with the BBC national Multiplex at one point and had to go onto Good Old FM sorry other areas in the Scottish Borders where you can't get shit.

He can get it if you want.

Just got to any one of the fields this was appointed about you mean so that would be good for the digital stations.

What's interesting is who will apply of course muxco probably guaranteed to go in their notice.

There's a muxco Cumbria Ltd on their companies House registered last month so they're expecting it cause global owned the South and in terms of commercial radio and Bower owns the North

In terms of commercial radio so maybe we'll see one going to eat your maybe love mix up together who knows good for BBC Radio Cumbria to get on div as well presume.

It will be guaranteed a space where they have to go on both want the I guess so double the outcome for them excellent so weird frequency swap going on in London that offer come over said yes, this is alright to this is panjab and love sports swapping medium wave frequencies.

Are the results of this is the Punjab will get a bigger audience will get to cover the whole of London on 558 and loves Borehamwood just cover a little bit of London on 1584 so the winners here Punjab radio, but the people who owned the Frequency was Kelvin isn't enough support either.

He's thinking well.

I've got this little station here and I'm paying for a big transmitter and I don't like the situation, but you think it just give the transmitter back or sell the licence rather than do this complicated root of swap for Matalan

We don't know if there's money changing hands.

We don't know what the future plans are for both stations that will Punjab presumably will carry on with her bigger transmitted, but we don't know what to what Love was going to do because they're on the abs when you get live sports on the London 3 multiplayer up and jobs on the National on the SDL national Multiplex as well, isn't it? So do we need is am frequency still they must think that turn their potential listening listening to am so good for sports fans and good for people who like at the output from Punjab who knows fix radio is a station that is on DAB in London as well.

Of course as well as in Manchester and ugly Phil is there latest signing to do the breakfast show this is a strange one apparently the room as we was going to be on I'm one of the old stations like your ex or no.

Kiss or something like that, but now he's joining her.

I don't want to be disrespectful to the station or anything but there on Earth I need ups.

So who knows where that's going but welcome back to the UK film ugly? Phil I think it's alright actually is not that.

I'm so gorgeous.

Look if you ask me.

It's gonna be doing a breakfast show on Manchester and London I think they've got different breakfast at the moment Emily Manchester's got a separate one to London so put the same one out on both but it's the 10th of June back from Australia where is been on triple am I think it's not the first time is left for them for a move to the UK either so interesting times London last week some Jack radio event tells about that.

Oh yeah Jack radio yesterday started a spiritualist shell during the day time between 11 and 1 are normally this can I show where you ring up the person tell?

So, what are you going to be rich or when you going to die soon? That's normally on at 10 at night, but this is going to be a Daily Show every weekday, 11211 Jack it started this week with one spiritual counsellor and one clairvoyant medium and they're both they're taking it in turns to a come on and tell people the fortune and if they've got any connections from the other side and I've been listening to first one which is on Tuesday this week and that yeah, it's basically your old phone in a medium and get a reading it doesn't happen on radio on a daily basis anywhere else so should be interesting is there anybody out there? That's what they're asking listening to have to wait for Radio 1 at the mental health minutes came back really good initiative that ran on many many radio station several hundred across the country last year.

It's happening again at 10:59 just before 11 a.m.

On Monday this week at and lots of stations up and down the country being.

Involved with that and the community radio order back for their fourth year, they just opened for entries.

It's free to enter the station of the Year category this year and the deadline for that is the 16th of June to get stuff for a month to get your award entries in and it's good for coming to radio stations to take part because it's only a fiver to enter is that all that is ok? Yeah, that's got a big money-making scheme like some of them, but I did encourage everybody to get involved in that because it's a good one of our users podcast was composed by lots of events coming up over the next few weeks not least next week.

It's radio audio week and at the radio festival kicks off on Monday Corsa I will be there.

I'll Be There You'll Be There yes and hopefully there as well because he's the best ill Direct it will be Nick Pitts hi Nick hey how you doing to do? You write hello not too bad.

So we're getting excited about the festival now at what's the theme this year, but the thing this year is all about the new age of Ord

We have I keep explaining to people is there no sooner had we said Happy New Year to our colleagues which as we all know we continue doing right until the end of January you never know when quite you should stop doing it but even by that point loads of change in our wonderful world in which we working in audio and it just continued it continued it continued at that point.

We just went there is a new age of audio happening right in front of us as we speak and I firmly believe this is what I think we should be this year the great thing is it's being LED from a from a talent point of you for a long time now.

It's been about the technology and an and the creativity of radio works into the technology but right now.

It's absolutely flipped itself on there on his head and it's about the talent from the production at to the people fronting to the management behind etc.

Etc to the ideas.

It's absolutely ideas driven at the moment telling of their Talent you've got some of the big names you started new shows this year.

Give me that some people like so.

Ball and Simon Mayo yeah absolutely in fact you know that the first thing I always cos it's my second year of doing it and last year.

I always said we just set off shelves at a ridiculous height and then we come back and wherever we come back to will still be above where we were originally have started so I was so like right.

We've got to get all of them in and we got at the mall interviewing each other which of course you know isn't going to happen, but what it means he just Focuses the mind a bit and you talk to the right people say yeah, we've managed to you put a few great cruising there including as you say Simon who left the BBC with millions of people listening everyday and he's trying to startup digital station.

I mean, what is the story there are obviously there's the whole background of the Radio 2 departure but that's not what this is about.

It's about the future.

It's about the new age.

Are we want to find out what his thought processes were behind that Zoe of course first star female Radio 2 breakfast presenter and it's a programmer.

Does absolutely gone to the heart of the public pretty much from day one which in itself is.

Achievement sounds like she's been here forever.

So that's a really exciting thing as well, We also managed to pull off Greg James into the mix as well and we got a really exciting session on that front which is a sat there and I went with Greg is a one of those broadcast who who's very different who saw recreated or reinvented the role of the Host because it's about the listener.

It's not about him and there's a lot to talk about broadcast always about the listener, but when you when you boil it down, it's not it's about their but Greg absolutely get cities created this new source of social radio and I thought what we great for all the people in that room regardless of which side of the fence they come from whether they're podcast as whether they're executives whether their producers of radio whether they brought the presenters the one thing you want to know is, how did they make that programme this morning? What did they do to get to that position so we got Greg and some of his production team on stage hopefully talking about some of the ideas from this morning and the processes they went through to get what we heard over the radio on a well.

I'm quite lucky.

Edwina having all been there ourselves is the yolk Gregor probably just did this is what happened and someone will get through all these hopes and it'll be really interesting to hear that hello.

Hello is bits and pieces getting together call.

I'm quite a bit on strategy as where you got the minister Margot James and also James Purnell the camera for bigg Boss of radio the BBC yeah.

I mean we booked him before he did his announcement on the controller side of Network radio, what have you and but he's going to come in something I wanted to do for a wireless.

You know BBC sounds came on with much fanfare.

Some of it has been successful.

Some of it the illegal a lot of, can't find this.

I can't find out.

Why is that not working that's only on BBC sounds and it and I thought I'd be really good to sort of do a 6-month report card on how it's going so we asked James we want to do that and he said yes and you know we work very closely with Dr UK every year with regards to the radio festival we spoke to her for dolls there and he said all the time.

Be able to get more go to come along and she's absolutely up for coming and telling everyone about the the digital future of our of our world big names on the stage this year then for a special guess who's hosting this is an interesting one we wanted to do something a bit different and we went through quite a lot of decision-making.

I mean you know when I said we start up high and I don't mean this with any despair, but we came up with most ridiculous idea was we'll see if we can get Alan Partridge to do it to do some of it at least luckily we decided actually no, let's not but what we've ended up with his with me Anna and Tony from five live drive the reason we've done this has been quite a new is I don't think of the new era of the radio festival since it's been at the library.

I mean I've been to all of them like aren't record this happening.

Is is not being double headed as a host and the both of them when you listen to them on air you forget that what they doing his they doing a a scripted news cast with add hogpits between they make it sounds so natural and I'm hoping they'll bring that that naturalness to the stage and host our day for us terms of the

Future of radio futura 4000 ton about this kind of Direction that we're heading then there's quite a few sessions that are centred around podcast and people been involved in the podcast see what is really important is the only work in a world of audio and one thing was saying everyone is saying in our Industry at the moment with all the all the change and the chance going on his just because a radio station one way of getting your audio out may not be there doesn't mean you should stop it doesn't mean you should turn your back on it is the greatest industry in the world and I don't think any other industry celebrates what it does the way that the radio and audio industry does so it's absolutely the right thing to do to include podcast in there, so we've got the short shelf life podcasts.

What some people might disparagingly called chip paper podcast they've all of a sudden exploded.

Thanks to brexit mainly in the door.

Do them in the morning and they did by the evening and they're not those ones that sitting there in in your in your playlist and you spend a long long time going through and these of these something explode.

We want to find out more and what happens after brexit in a once that and it's not going to go very quickly but once that's moved aside.

How are these going to continue? So that's an interesting one.

We're also looking at the fact that a lot of podcasts these days.

They just stick to making the podcast they go onto we've seen the launch of a podcast live etc.

So that we thought we get some people to come and tell everyone and explain how this works and give some ideas on if you do a podcast what's the next thing last year when we were doing the Willows doing the festival I really wanted to focus on a specific point of what the theme was and then replicate it through the day and different ways.

We did the future of Voice last year and we got different people to come in from different areas of the industry to talk about voice activation affects them and this year what I decided to do with a series of sessions throughout the day called the new age of digital audio according to so at what it does.

Is it still adjust super focusing on that area of the

Lidl side and by that I mean we've got Ruth fitzsimons coming in to talk about at the podcast market and we've got Brenda Salinas Baker who's coming in from Google to talk about at the voice activation and the future of that whole area of digital delivery of audio on those platforms.

Are we talking with another couple of people as well still at this stage to try and get another one of those sessions in I don't know about you Nick I think that the word radio is getting a bad Delia it seems to be a been downgraded quite like you think it's going to come full circle and we're going to get rid of this new audio word and go back to good old radio events rather than radio body events.

I think actually in our world the two of working closer than they've ever work before I think there's a natural equilibrium coming through here.

Whereby the pomposity of the two sides tried to fight against each other a sort of Fallen by the wayside.

You know it's really clear now, how much of the population through research and listen to podcasts at streaming platforms.

Such as mixcloud eccetera rely on spoken word content as much as they do music you got Spotify who invested in purchasing a rather large production company that make podcasts.

I think the world of audio is where is going we all love radio because we love the Romans build it we were all around we are all old the three of us.

We were all around Wainwright Ryan IRL and sorry I am old and I fell in love with this road.

I fell in love with this romance of a man in a studio talking to me and playing me some fantastic records and I think it is it is beyond that there's a lot of as we know and I listen to you guys each week and you know you're doing the right thing when it comes to talking about what's going on in our in the radio industry right people is a lot of its the death of local radio will local radio was created when there was no such thing as anything to listen to audio wise apart from your records.

Quarter inch 8 track cottages and for networks from the BBC and independent local radio was created for that now.

There is so much more it has to reinvent itself and to reinvent itself it needs to know any make itself different but it needs to cuddle up and be inclusive with those other areas so we are in an audio industry as far as I'm concerned.

It's ok.

Why is a regular listening call as old as much as he likes boys against women have just checked in the domain audio today.co.uk is available, so I should go ahead and register.

That's a nice.

I'm lying in bed to get my residuals from putting that idea fantastic.

How we must mention as well Frank Skinner's at the festival next week as well as other big names there and I think you can still get a ticket at £129 for members £199 non-members the Radio Academy all the details at radio academy.org by the way this is Frank because he's being interviewed by Matt 42 comedians on stage.

And it's going to be I'm in that yeah, I can tell you that's going to close the morning.

So you know we're programming this to make sure that through the day there are plenty of points when you will go.

I got to hang around for this book Frank I'm really looking forward to seeing as with everyone and I look forward most of all to seeing you guys.

How can I just as well you mentioned the price there? I saw somebody complained about the price at the other day and I thought actually I remember the days when he was 6708 £100 for a ticket.

Just to go to the last 3/4 days, but for 100 or 200 quid for what you getting it's not bad.

I support that like it so well done for that well.

Thank you and I'll sort of in a couple of my my posts on social media.

I saw them sort of tried to address that because it is a lot of money, but if you just think about what you're getting for that.

You know where else could you see Zoe Ball's Simon Mayo Greg James Frank Skinner all on the stage for what is going to probably be around 70 or a

2 minutes of their time in total where else you going to be able to get that and the experience and the stories and being a room in a in an intimate room with names like that for that sort of money.

You're not going to be able to do it ever for any sort of money apart from that that so that's funny that fires you up to that.

You know that's a really good opportunity yet were there definitely website address again radio academy.org will see next week Nick see you then.

Look at yourself.

Thank you Nicole for happening next week tuning in will be at that on Tuesday morning at its the young areas the British podcast Awards atwoods the end of the week and much more as well as part of radio audio wiki get all the details at radio audio week.co.uk never date for your diary radiodays Europe spodcast Day is the 13th of June in London tickets for that available at it's ok.

I'm busy now will see you next week then write in London yeah, and we've also got the kids sports day school next week as well, which I really think you're coming through but that's not in my diary now.

I'll show up could be a busy week you doing the dad's race.

Yeah dads and daughter day the radiated a program with broadcast bionics creators of The Bionic studio listening watching reacting to and learning from every spoken word Kolo sweet and SMS for a mix and lock and understand your content the bionic studio transforms everything about radio except the way you make it next on the radio Today programme we're going to talk radio journalism the broadcast journalism training Council just recently celebrated its 40th birthday.

I'm delighted to say we can welcome to the podcast at the CEO of the bjtc John caddell welcome John thank you so much.

Hello and many people will know you as well from your long days at Chilton and Irn so this is what you're up to these days you run in the bt.com was such a long time ago.

I was it 13 years ago that I was there last day editor, Irn but yes for the past five years.

I've been running the broadcast journalism training Council

She's a company that's owned by the primary school classes of the UK so the BBC iTV Channel 4 Sky News ITN global reuters AP they all are involved in the company.

That's been running for 40 years as you said, it's our 40th anniversary this year and really our role is to ensure the standards of journalism are maintained through the teaching of journalism skills, so when are students in higher education and elsewhere decides to study journalism then our industry a great radio and TV industry.

I believe it's important that they are receiving the skills that they need to become fantastic journalist in newsrooms up and down the country.

So you going round some of these courses are looking at what they offer and making sure they have the required standard for the employers when they get under render it a bit like Ofsted inspector courses, that's that's a proper day job if you like, but much more in.

Courtney's a partnership, it is a partnership between those of the teaching journalism and those that are delivering journalism through the broadcast medium or indeed online and I think one of the successful things about the bjtc for the past 40 years is it always been the case that those people that run journalism courses and there are some brilliant courses out there of all really been working in the industry.

All still working the industry now, so one of our requirement.

Is that those people teaching those practical skills actually have done it themselves this sat in newsrooms their red radio bulletins.

Yeah, they put Radio bulletins together because that's a really important thing so we require that and where we're distinct from other journalism bodies training bodies is that we believe that students should learn through experiential activities as in being journalist, so great number of our courses from day.

One treat their students as trainee journalist and we're apply them to do news days where they actually that out there not doing student years but doing news about real stories in their community in their cities in their towns and they spend their whole course doing that and gradually developing the skills so they're ready to walk into his room and they legally safe which is absolutely crucial and being a cynical journalist with the we're seeing Newsroom numbers reducing sertraline in radiator at that.

I suppose is there a danger that we're training too many journalists are these people going on to not only be generous in radio and TV but doing other things as well with those skills we seeing perhaps a retraction of journalism numbers with in newsrooms that perhaps you and I would recognize but there are as you know Stewart so many other types of jellies Matt Wheatley accredited courses that are digital platform courses so tablet journalism online journalism.

We credit all those courses.

Tooth but we also see a lot of our students who are on some of the causes some of the sports courses with credit sports courses they going out I'm working for the clubs.

I'm not afraid to talk about marketing and PR I think it's really important for someone going into that sector to know and understand what the skills of journalism are so that their hugely transferable skills even to the degree of we ask a part of mag courses that students pitch documentaries or whatever they doing with we think that's important thing now even if they don't remain within Media let's say even just in programming they've now got that skill of being able to pitch at all or present an idea or concept to whoever their employer will be going forward.

That's why we ask for things like we still insist now the all of our students and we've got about 4 or 4 and 1/2 thousand students at any one time.

They have voice training.

They're trained to use their voice properly and to project not just for the microphone but for

Large rooms and how much academic Focus is that presume there still is some because a lot of these courses are at traditional universities like Leeds and Sheffield places like that, so I presume you there still has to be some academic Focus rather than just learning the practical skills to be a journalist absolutely or your remember.

I think you're a student leaves on about whilst there and at which is a course.

We actually a credit along with 54 other courses and they are primarily within the higher education sector at they are degree courses so yeah the students absolutely love the practical learning is an important part of the vocational aspects of any course but every course has an academic narrative through it has two is a degree cost and we would expect that and want that too and a future employer would potentially want that from a radio perspective 0 groups like Bower and global dimension global obviously apart of the bjcc but running their own schools and academies about delivers courses in its radio stations global services.

High School essentially where it's doing GCSE and a level and that kind of qualifications, how did those routes compared to undergraduate or postgraduate qualification is really hard to make a comparison time are all great courses you know we we we don't just a credit degree courses we accredit courses that provide the skills and the learning that someone needs to become a journalist either on the radio on the telly online wherever they want to be so we ensure that those skills are there so academic level we don't state we only do degree courses so some of those courses that you're referring to some of the employer based courses are really good.

You know they're really good.

We did a credit one a while back that was providing students from the barrel cademy going forward into the company and that was a really good course and students really learnt their trade their Kraftwerk in quite a high intense period of time and so we're all for those courses and certainly look at them as a courses that could be.

Accredited if they would want to come to us and go through our process and so you got your spring conference coming up this week.

This is so people from the industry can be together with the course leaders and all kind of a talking about issues around journalism.

I know a lot of people who've gone from journalism into lecturing so it as I guess there's a lot of crossover between the industry as well.

Yeah, there's huge favour.

Are you going back to my own career and I'm outside of walking into universal weeks.

You hello you know used to be with me.

I reckon it is a lot of crossover and that's great because you know it's brilliant that some people have decided to move from Harding shift work if you like in a Newsroom and and teaching the students so yeah, it helps us to because as I said before we are this conduit really between industry and academia and if if those people that are on the courses teaching the journey Zainab done it and been there and understand the processes then that that helps now process very much Irene

The students are really been taught by brilliant professional people.

I mean I could name so many I won't because I don't want to pick one out over the other I'll get into so much trouble but you know up and we all know that you are up and down this country.

There are brilliant radio journalists and presenters who are teaching on courses and steel most importantly.

I would say I've never done the equation, but I would say at least 50% of people that are teaching radio on courses at the moment Straits probably hi, I still working in radiator which includes me which includes you know lots of other course leaders.

It's so important to stay you know in touch with what's happening because the world has moved on journalism skills are the same in terms of those basic core skills.

We gonna need them all the time but the way we apply them and some of the platforms everyone knows has changed 2 years ago.

We had one of these conferences and we asked our industry colleagues alongside our academic colleagues in a big room right.

What are the new skills and the industry called?

He said we want people to make social short absolutely important caption social shorts were the working in radio or tell your online if they basically want people to be able to tweet which is great.

I regard tweets as neat as we used to call them in print journalism.

You know you don't need it.

So you know they wanted all these skills talk.

That's fine.

We said to the employees or the academic colleagues that employ ok, so we've only got a finite amount of time that we can teach these skills which of the skills now in Cheshunt that you no longer need that was it there was silence because they still want those core skills.

It's quite hard to teach jellies and now days.

You know when you and I were learning journalism.

I'm guessing that we will sort of like you were probably primarily radio you know it was kind of single platform now.

We asked our students in a call to a bit of radio do a bit Italy tuna be a master of many and it's it's it's tough to poses a danger that is the material spread too thinly and people don't Excel in in one area at making great radio packages for example and

They can do everything to a decent standard, but not excelling at something in particular.

Well, you could argue at that basic level of teaching those skills.

Do they need to Excel in one area, that's why I can't I don't have a few either way.

There are courses out there that are brilliant courses that look at just one area that look at just radio admittedly they getting fewer and fewer.

I think it's important for us to teach the basic skills so the basic skills of storytelling whether you're delivering at on radio or TV it's all about telling a good story and communicating that an understanding your target audience that applies across the board whether they're doing it on your tablet or whether the viewing on the telly or listening to it from a speaker from a smart speakers.

They say two days, but I'm convinced that you know we're spreading it too thinly I think what we need to do as an organisation which we done in the past 405 years with come very robust in ensuring that the basics are absolutely driven home so the ability.

To speak properly and broadcast properly with your voice the ability to be factually correct the ability to be legally save all of these key elements with push time and most recently we've been talking about you getting a student out there talking to real people because that's an art that I'd never thought I'd say it but that's not that's kind of Fallen by the wayside a bit students.

Nowadays have been brought up around the environment of texting so ill even text their parents to ask them a question.

What's the day? You know and when you say to a new dream student, could you go out and do a box that's scary you know the scary for us when we started in Chinese money, but now these people are just not even used to talk into absolute strangers, so we having to come up with suggestions and sharing best practice, which will you doing at the conference of having a sweet about how we get those students to feel comfortable to talk to real people to see you and I know that by talking to real people you get real stories.

You make it a press release from the Farmer that says I'm a great apples.

So you use that as a press release and the story will only ever be I'm a great apples, but if you go down the road and talk to the farmer.

He might say I'm a great Appledore Summer came in repairs a great but I never realised then you do a story about his peers.

You don't then you don't get that until you talk to the farmer.

If you know what I mean as you mentioned something in your dressing at the conference something else that I spotted on your conference agenda as well.

It's about this newfangled artefill artificial intelligence can say it but I'm worried about that one day.

I'm going to be replaced by a news reading robot is that actually going to happen because the 10.

I just getting quite good now as you can't actually say it clearly you do need a robot to say it for you people are scared about this.

I am looking forward to learning more because I don't know so don't look at for me as a world expert we got some brilliant experts coming in at some projects that be happening at Sky News Andover at the BBC Andover Apa do you know what it's not about being ripped?

It's about Gathering metadata and turning that into a format that can then be used by journalists to enhance the product so for example the Sky News used a piece of software that use facial recognition to identify who was walking into the church for the royal wedding and then up on the screen it came up with the details of you know that Lord Rothschild whoever it was you know born in such and such and that's all added content soai.

Yes, it's going to smooth out some of the more mundane operations that we do with the newsrooms.

It's also going to ensure that we can get more information to those people viewing listening or reading our content as journalists, is it going to replace you Stuart I don't know I mean do you want to do you want to be reply think there's always going to be a need for personality think about this.

We've been talking for the past 10 minutes with a robot really have delivered this and talk like this in his way.

I am unconvinced.

I might possibly that possible that may be reading the autocue are in.

Script but say yes to the interaction want to talk about local Media in particular.

Obviously you know you're growing divide in some senses between national and local Media outlets does the bjtc do anything or can it do anything to tackle issues in pay and reduction in staffing levels at local Media outlets whether that be innotv newsrooms already unused rooms will we not Réunion I mean the nuj isn't is a great partner and has been with the bjtc for 40 years and sits along those broadcast partners on our board and they certainly would would would would have a view but we're not a unit of what we have to always consider is the in of the quality of the journalism in The Newsroom that there are but quite clearly there are concerning things.

I just need to be realistic in terms of job prospects when when graduates are leaving their course.

It's that they do because most Direct impact on us is that we?

Require our students every single student to do a minimum of 4 weeks at work placement work experience you want to call it that and are recognised genders an employer and you a lot of them would choose radio because they love radio why wouldn't you ready as the best? Isn't it? There is going to be a reduction in people running radio news rooms and more importantly news editors that might you know have a relationship with local courses and bring people on the second part of this equation for me and the wiring part of me.

This is sort of a personal opinion is that you go back to your day's initially all about daisies broadcast journeys when we first started.

Yes, we learnt the basics on these courses that we preparing people for working in an easy, but you learnt so much more when you walk back into a new screen for the first time you listen to help people talk to other people you know you learn from each other or learn from more experienced people and with you and use rooms around.

There's a possibility that some students get their first job is radio Jonas

Will go into newsrooms that have will may not even go into a Newsroom will may be asked to do the base themselves at home get loads of Fantastic stories from their local community and send them back to to a hub, and I'm not against hugging at all.

That's not where I'm coming from but I worry about the nurturing of young Talent or new Talent coming through and how that's carefully managed which may seem like you know all that stay small thing actually.

It's a big thing because it's really important when he first started his first steps of your career to be supported both physically but also just on the small things like I don't call Matt councillor today.

Call him next week because whatever you know.

Yeah, I suppose that she newsrooms.

Where is a hub and you've got maybe 10 or 15 journalists you get that support more than a small local radio station where there's only you all these two people in your working on shift so hugs can be a good thing in supporting a newer people coming into the industry.

They can be a good thing as long as the employer.

Whether that is an absolutely not reflecting on any particular employer accept that if this is your first job don't say you know you work out of this town and work from home and just send us the stuff in you know those young genus need to be in the Hub so you know they pick up these things and then the more experienced team members are the ones out on the road all of the time maybe only going into the Hub once a week.

I don't know how some fruits are going to be organising miss you know you others would would know more but he just concerns me that we giving my inexperience new journalists, you know a lot of time where they're not necessarily going to have the support but you know I'm not criticizing it.

I've got a commercial head myself, but I just wanted to concerned about some of their knowing the people that come out the course.

Yes, they're ready.

They're ready to work and therefore our industry, but never so much more that you learn once you sit within Annie's room yeah things I suppose 40 years of the bjtc in 46 years of commercial radio with we've still got.

BS23 4-minute bulletins of the top of every hour do you think they've got a future going forward or somebody's kind of Beano editor in in commercial radio in another 5 years is that gonna still be there at the top of every hour at 203 minute local news bulletin.

I recognise you know I'll tell you why because I still believe people want to know the world's not about to end.

You know an even if it if it's true though.

I used to call it sort of like information passport at the top of the hour.

You don't want to be in a situation somewhere else in life whatever age you are where you feel that you're not in for so someone starts talking about something.

It's happened.

It may not be a political story couple of political stories are becoming quite hot at the moment.

It's reasons may be something as you just haven't heard about that.

No social media now plays a role in The except that the world has changed in that regard, but there's still a need for I don't want that reassurance.

I love music and I love music radio but I still want my little reassurance alright.

No, that's you know.

He's had his baby.

I need to know that I know it now.

I don't need to know every detail I don't need to hear hours and hours of it breaking news forever, but perhaps I do I'm a bit of a journey, but you know the average Joe so I absolutely believe that there's still a place for that and I think that you know it would have changed by now if there wasn't I think that also clearly that the local news or news.

That is suggested to be local is the last Bastion of localness or locality in some of the output so as this year by default you know local news is gonna stay for the time being and reassuring to see Ofcom kind of reaffirming that because when they commercial stations are reducing their programming and their the program in Commitments the trade-off is that they've got to provide an enhanced local news service so I guess for now at least from the government and Ofcom the messages.

They want that to stay that would be the case.

I mean who knows what will happen in the future with seen some.

Interesting decisions in the past I love radio and I'm passionate about local radio and I see that there's no such a distinction between commercial radio local radio local radio can still be commercial but you know we've lost some of those elements for lots of reasons and not so good reasons and understanding but if that's been allowed to happen.

There has been a seismic changed and Community Radio now needs a bit of a fair crack of the whip and I very strongly believe that if the goalpost the playing field has been changed elsewhere in the ecological radio world then Community Radio should also be allowed to have some of its restrictions around funding and around a commercial activity to be lesson because originally those rules were created to protect people and their local revenue let's be very clear these larger groups have created nationalised brands, so they can do national sales national sales is so important to them.

So let's give you know Community Radio a chance to sell more advertising an affair crack of the whip to at least survive it was always a flawed business proposition and it's unfair the playing field is changed now, so the lower levels need to be changed as well.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of support for that for you as well, and I suppose finally there's there's never been a better time has a to be a journalist a lot journalist.

I speak to the come across a lot.

So you know what a great time to be working in in radio or entirely covering politics and some of the big issues in the world today.

You know it would not just reporting the news anymore when reporting a changing world.

I will absolutely amine story wise it's a brilliant time.

I've never seen anything like it in my career and everyone agrees with that but also wow.

It's so exciting to be a journalist and and how you can get stories now data journalism, which is part of many of our courses.

It's a skill to learn how you do that and apply that with some of the software out there now, but actually.

The real skill is how you turn that into a story that remains compelling and you still need that as a journalist, so that's why has my goodness it if I enter my when I first started in journalism on a great newspaper.

We were giving you no 20 quid to go round all the local pubs every Monday and do what we called the pub run where we talked all the landlord's and and locals and get loads of stories.

We always had to it was required that the newspaper that everything had to be off diary.

We didn't do press releases now this year volume of stuff.

That's out there and what you can do on social media to find stories.

You know what I'd love to go back.

Just only for a week be a cub reporter and the stories you can turn out now.

Just RL I think it's a really exciting time yet.

The world's changing we're going to be asked to be on lots of different platforms.

We may not have newsrooms that we recognise in the future.

I Robot may be doing is a robot may be doing that but if you've got an inquisitive mind and you're prepared to talk to real people and you.

Tell the story and deliver it to a target audience then.

There's always always an opportunity out there to be great journalist really good to chat to you and John and good luck with your event this week if anybody wants find out more about the bjtc.

They can do that on your website's bjt sea.org.uk is it certainly is thanks for coming on really appreciate it.

Thank you Stuart David Lloyd and James cridland.

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I'm James cridland the radio futurologist given the amount of change to the media landscape.

Why does radio still do so well, but I think a lot of it is due to this, what could be more refreshing than Newport menthol cigarettes.

No not cigarettes habit.

We've always listened to Radio it's a habit to wake up to the clock radio or to turn the radio on in the kitchen.

It's habit and automatic that the radio goes on in the car on the way to work radio cottoned onto this and 60s and 70s when it stopped carrying individual shows like comedy quizzes farming programs and special hours for housewives radio change to be a consistent offer and a consistent listen.

You're always here the same type of music and the same type of programming whenever you tuned in which was good to have it the same people doing the same time slots week after week month after month and that's why attempts to unseat radio have been difficult because you're trying to break a habit and like coffee drinking a decent beer or cigarette smoking.

Habits are hard to dislodge last week came use that the New York Times podcast The Daily is now doing 2 million downloads a day and sure it's a Far Cry from npr's morning edition which has 14.9 million people listening each week, but it is something to consider that the daily is succeeding in Breaking people's habits.

There's a certain amount of the US population that instead of the radio now habitually listens to Michael Barr borrows weird intonation everyday their habits Have Been Changed by highly produced daily podcasts that are long enough for their commute habits to maybe explaining why radio has a problem in many countries with younger audiences, because they may still listening roughly the numbers they did before but they listen for far less time if you've heard people saying audiences grow into radio listening if they get older I'm here to tell you that that's not true all of the statistics.

I've seen show the younger audiences.

Don't magically change their habits later in life and as they grow up.

They continue listening to less radio than their parents.

I have it has been radios friend for the last 50 years.

It's enabled it to successfully win the battle against the Walkmen MTV and other new technologies that have it could be radios enemy in the years to come as habit-forming content appears elsewhere through addictively great programming and innovative distribution.

It's up to us to keep the radio habit alive.

You can get my weekly newsletter and James.

Craig Doyle and and Daily Podcast news at pod news.net and until next time keep listening and now on the radio Today programme is my weekly habit David Lloyd that when was the last time you felt so annoyed you really wanted to leave your radio station.

This week in 1976 the straw that broke the camel's back for Johnnie Walker then at Radio One after doing the lunchtime show for 7 years dairy chinnery said contracts up in June Johnny would like to offer you another 2 years of lunchtime show But No More album tracks.

I said what you mean if you want me to play more Bay City Rollers prime famously call musical garbage one day.

He said yes, they're in the charts.

Yes more Bay City Rollers so I said I'm not really going to be excited by that Derek why not just for a while.

Take me off Monday to Friday's have give me a show at the weekend.

I could just play have more musical freedom.

Sorry said that's ridiculous.

I'm not doing that.

It's 5 days a week.

It's the lunchtime show two years or nothing so I had one of my ultimatum moment again.

I say would better be nothing then Derek rothera as well.

I will say goodbye to Johnnie Walker

Best of luck in your future career.

Thank you very much in the States I believe yes, I'll send you a postcard from San Francisco by sure you have a lot of people listening in this morning and afternoon.

Yeah, it's going out for lunch today.

Hope that Johnny Walker waiting a tough goodbye to Radio 1 and this week 33 years ago music again one of The Catalyst for Mike Smith ending his stint on Radio 1 breakfast I felt that when I was doing the Radio 1 Breakfast Show there was a chance that stock ache and Waterman were ruining the whole thing and it was one of the things that chip to wear me to say look you only said you're going to do this for 2 years.

So when it gets to 2 years leave.

I didn't you could be the only breakfast DJ on Radio 1 who went right that'll do me.

How much to run wasn't the right decision because I'm now not front of camera or front of microphone and missing it all themselves up this morning Mike Smith ending his Days on Radio 1 Breakfast this week in 86 he died 5 years ago excess Manchester got a new Breakfast Show couple of weeks ago.

Thanks to Edinburgh station launched 11 years ago this week.

It was Licensed to gmg as rocktalk 106.1 a speech and rock music service for 35 to 64 year olds with a strong commitment to local news current affairs and interactive debate for the Manchester area 106.1 rock radio station with news and information with elephant.

Toolstation That Rocked all day everyday excess beginning of rock radio this week in 2008 two years ago this week some beautiful overnight radio from Radio 4 Will Young joined, Brett Westwood and the gang of bird lovers with a live all-nighter in search of the dawn chorus.

Got present here.

Isn't it? But there's definitely a sense of isolation of being way out in the middle of a landscape which is Britain

Anybody thought that but that was a Bittern booming as well with his amazing.

I mean it really is now having come from a Metropolis it's wonderful it's the perfect place to hear things that make sense.

Yay for the concentrate sometimes what we going to get I think if this particular time is sporadic bird sounds it won't always be in our full throated cacophony or anything like that.

We going to get Birds gradually drip feeding their way into the inn in Tintin into dawn chorus live on Radio 4 this week in 2017 the first commercial stations in the 70s were broadcast on both a.m.

And the newfangled FM and FM group.

They were pressured to split the services so generating their own first competition southern sound and ocean sound created South Coast Radio Metro Radio and tea hydrate, North Radiohead mean when we're already owe you cancel any kind of picture you want about it, then went to see if she said, I don't think you look like that anyway yesterday.

We got a winner on the secret side here on Great North way stereo system.

Fi system organisation back then and giving away hi-fi to Harewood launched.

Its am station wgns other, causing some music from Elvis Presley but right now the Beacon and got weduc be raba Mercier got extra hour in that works in the West Midlands on a little bit late will be gold trainers system once again the little gym.

ADOM FM spitting followed some trials and in London those trials began this week in 1986, but it wasn't a gold service spin-off originally it was FM where the experimentation happened 1 minutes from now capital radio will split for the first time ever different programs will be broadcast simultaneously on capitals a.m.

And FM frequencies if your radio is tuned to Capital on 15:48 a.m.

After the 10 news.

You're here sax on Sunday with John sex if your radios tune to Capital on 95.8 FM year capitals new Sunday station cfm in superstereo almost all radios can pick up Capital on both a.m.

And on FM for capitals trial ansm split this week 33 years ago and presumably that went so well.

They decided to do something completely different when the time came and capital Gold was created.

With Margaret Howard last of the ocean of pick of the week 18 years ago and I can pick of the week with those words but deaths of radio City's Phil Easton 6 years ago for Easter James Whale leaving talkSPORT 11 years ago capital accumulating 35% of all commercial radio listening compare with globals 45% now this week's radiumone.

Thanks.

David James Android plus my dear John caddell, and nip it next week.

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