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Thanks for choosing radio today's Weekly podcast for a smarter way to make radio hello, I'm Stuart Clarkson and first this week as a thank you to everybody got in touch by a variety of means about last week's tribute to John Myers and we really appreciate all the lovely feedback and thank you again to everybody you sent a wonderful message with their memories and stories of the great man music for This podcast was composed by MiKasa this week.

We're back to normal with radio moments returning at the end of the podcast as David Lloyd takes a look back at this week in radio history James cridland Returns as well with his thoughts on stuff going on in the industry and I'm really pleased to say he is back after his health problems earlier this year, they wonderful.

Trevor de soysa doing the radiated a round table from March and good lord.

It's the radio today round table for June or ready.

Thank you very much for all the notes and good wishes while I was away.

It is good to be back when we won't do well on any of that, what will talk about is where we are not only do ever Stelar parov Stelar location for this edition Jimmy bucklan, who is one of the panels and I'll come straight to you.

Tell us where we are.

What is this extraordinary Dr Strangelove set that you brought us to this has become familiar with sang with life from the top of the news Tower run the 17th floor the new home with wireless rear right across from TalkSport just a long record of them Virgin Radio.

Lovely new studios where we're now broadcasting on National stations is brilliant to be allowed up here.

Thank you very much.

We'll talk about where we are again in a minute there.

See you outside round the table though.

I'm trying Trevor I look after the Indy 2zy, Manchester

Nike chosen podcast all sorts of people I'm also the chair of gaydio.

I'm Sam Bailey and I run the audio content fund that such a big thing I'm going to say what is the audio content for the big day for you Sam yet.

We today we've announced the results of our first round of funding which with excited about a really nice spread of content through across the industry leisure different companies making at those different radio station is broadcasting it and it all starts here now basically the work and start here now.

We can look forward to hearing the content over the next year.

So this is programming that's been invented and designed by what we call independent production companies and sold to commercial radio station might otherwise be able to fund it but now they've got you to pay for it.

That's exactly raves summarised it perfectly it's a UK government money at it.

We are distributing on behalf of dcms two independent production companies to make crafted programs for commercial and Community Radio we had a fantastic spot and John yours is one of the comp.

That's been successful circulation.

What did you get the series of ten outside broadcast 4xs, Manchester Manchester music tour presented by Clint Boon who's had not long ago that the students who go in and work on a show and known as Clintons that excess would not have been able to afford themselves absolutely we work together on the pitch.

It's 10 3 hour outside broadcasts one and each Greater Manchester Boroughs so we're not just doing the Hacienda factory all things that people already know about and also very much using the experiences of listeners their music heritage the gigs they've been to and bring in a whole new generation of Manchester music makers as well and Jimmy wireless.

Got involved with this in we had you've taken one from a company.

What does it will obviously deeply into speech radio?

Mrs and it's an area that we think commercial way, they should do more of them would love to see them more and more speech radio from from commercial radio so we were very enthusiastic about the fun from day one develops number of ideas.

We were delighted that an idea that we making with we are unedited.

I don't know the guys but my colleagues at talkSPORT have been working with them closer on the idea that the show is called oranges at halftime, and it's a show that will be focusing on on black football with some fresh Talent from from a bame background that will present the show we really excited will be on every week in a big high profile slot all the way to the football season should be really exciting so so, are you and the panel who included of course John Myers r i p and also Helen Bowden and mukti Jain Campion ambient a cock OK Google when you sat around to make these decisions.

What was in your mind about what the audio content fund could do for listeners, what what?

Will you thinking they would get the benefit from I think one of the things that I found really interesting when the fun the funny Calumet was there real focus on innovation.

I think that there was a really wide spread of genres and ideas.

We will come up with and I think what are this round at least other funny panelled so took a shine to wear things in a variety of different form factors so part of the Challenge here.

It's all going in the most part.

I think kind of fine perhaps talkSPORT and a few others are exceptions.

We talking about relatively highly formatted music radio station that this crafted speech content needs to fit into so there was quite a lot of really interesting discussion about all that's that's an interesting way of doing that because there's no point in making something which the audience will immediately switch off because they want another 5 records in a row, so there was quite often should in package base stuff.

You know John talked about an outside broadcast format, but it's still really heavily Music and Drama

Drama for fun Kids which I think he's got a variety of can I speak to music in it so I think that was was working at really came out was and that the funding panel focused on was doing something a little bit different perhaps doing something which was uniquely commercial radio were uniquely community radio that you perhaps wouldn't hear on the BBC was going to ask you about that because you're a BBC lifer 0lf life, but newly freed from those constraint.

I'm just wondering whether you looked at these ideas and thought in some cases.

You know what that's a bit Radio 2 of that could probably get on Radio 4 at the we're looking for something a bit different it out because if so more power to your elbow panel, did think that im saying the panel will have to make those decisions that facilitates and and look after processed what I mean.

I think when I say they took an interest in different formats was that perhaps the more traditional 60 minutes Sunday night dock.

Didn't get through as much as that there was one of those has gone through but it's got a quite interesting twist to it is being made by a new young presenters in Northern Ireland so yeah.

I think it might be fair to say I could hear that on Radio 3 your I can hear that on Radio 2 then.

They were kind of looking for a point of difference to you when you first read about that you think it's a good idea.

Cos I suspect you rather did and I think everybody about obviously did yes, would you be prepared to speculate why the people at global didn't like what I can say is the way we approached it and I think they'll be learning from this first round for all of us because we don't have someone who's head of commissioning independent production companies for wireless, so actually what we did we got a bunch of us in a room and just started to identify three station what types of things they were looking for and we had to correct process ourselves to.

Go to entertain or interesting the funding are there wasn't someone who could take this honours as a full time job and we were quite keen that we didn't just want to get ideas that had maybe been pitch to the BBC in the past but hadn't been good enough for the BBC we wanted to give some guidance to the sector on these are some areas that we're interested in would love to hear some fresh voices would love to know maybe push beyond what people expect to some of our brands, can you help us with that and what was really pleasing is as those companies that were able to do that you know they didn't just go into their drawn pick out 20 old ideas.

They engaged with autism may be to have a fresh Talent or or more diverse presenters on talkSPORT free sample and they came up with ideas that don't make that breathe.

I think what what is true? Is that there were ideas that were presented to us through that process that weren't as appropriate for a brands and and would have felt shoehorned in and maybe for others who haven't engages that concern over at what point do.

We lose a clarity of what are programming is about and that consistency because in commercial radio.

We're all in a very competitive space where we try and provide our listeners with the braking system listen by high quality, but consistent as well and I suppose to concern comes the minute I started shoehorning other programs in is that going to fit and is that going to support you know my Brandon and Maya tutorial John as enigmatic producer who pitched as part of the scheme.

How was it compared to the pretty laborious and admin heavy pitching process for the BBC what's pranks and splashes also spent a lot of time giving me ideas as strong as we thought they could be a picture to ideas and got one back.

So very happy with that and the process was apart from one really fussy the door detail that wizard likes biggest present.

By the way that was Eddy temple-morris and we should have said hello.

This is the radio today roundtable just why I think we might as well.

I think you're maybe you maybe next door.

I'm on it telling you to go next door.

Hahaha the radio today Widnes make singles, can I use to make jingles when we called Bojangles John sorry the process like when you have to fill out an exam answer when you see that brackets at the end of the question saying maximum and the number of words you know that part of that problem because up with it.

Was it Oscar Wilde Trevor your bigger than quotes that says he is writing something long and short.

But actually that that deeds give you a sense of ok, so we need to be this brief or this Complex in our answer on each of the different very strict criteria the audio content fund is aiming to fulfill is because we have to go through the broadcaster.

We're not pitching anything to therefore that the broadcaster doesn't want yeah where I was really really keypoint commissioner in charge of the money and you're in charge of the strategy was the difference here.

Is that if you're coming to me with a letter of guarantee of broadcast for radio station then who am I to sort of say whether on that? That's Justified a registration wants to broadcasters program.

That's enough for me or was very transparent every stage every deadline was met and when you were working till when you want me to hear back and

Bridal look a bit too when you said about the idea of the the the ideas that are in the bottom of your waste paper basket with the BBC of turned out.

We've all got loads of great ideas that BBC have made for all sorts of reasons as some of them might be shit, but frankly some of them could get in the right frame.

We were I've got one that you haven't talked to you guys about some point in the future that are the healthiest radiator my pictures with a bit of a tweak or a bit for a fresh or bringing this Talent or that idea, so where's the list that we can look at as this is on audio content fund and there's another round coming soon and the next round opens on the 15th of July so I don't get it from from month.

So if you have if your on India house ideas can talk to radio stations if you need some help meeting some people for registration as I'm very happy to help you meet some radio station people off your radio station person and you'd like to know where the good inducer.

Give me a call so while John hands over his brown drivers to Jimmy will just take her at the smaller advertising message the radio Today programme was broadcast bionics creators of The Bionic studio listening watching reacting to and learning from every spoken word Kolo sweet and SMS for a mix unlock and understand your content the bionic studio transforms everything about radio except the way you make it was the radio Today programme Trevor Dann back in the seat Jimmy Buckland is here and so is Sam Bailey and so is John Ryan be glossed over the fact that we're here at the top of does it have a name that believes that the news you're finished building the news and absolutely fantastic.

It is not just because of the views but because it's been spect to 2019 standard somebody.

To me it must be like being on the telly and it made me start thinking about being a broadcaster today.

Do you have to start thinking much more about the visual side within a few do does that make your radio broadcasting different so I think the first thing on that is Wireless is in the business of storytelling and personalities spoken word entertainment.

We're not just a music radio broadcasts at so we have got some great stories to share with some great present is he a larger-than-life personalities and all of them exist in a world that is very visual now listeners are on Instagram and they're consuming Media in a very visual way so certainly flour brands.

We have to be there.

We have to be where the audience is and and and and whether you look at talkSPORT and it's a 1.1 million followers on on Twitter a quarter of a million now on Instagram 800000 on.

YouTube The going price on a Virgin house or or talk radio all of those brands are interviewing massive names every day.

They're out there making us laugh and cry and nose clips translate beyond the life moment so for us.

It's essential and that's why we've made investment.

We have in this ability John you run radio stations and I'm sure you've dealt with presenters who seem to think they're on the telly and there is that kind of hello out there style that you here I wonder how you coat that out of people who are thinking cricketers camera and I'm on the telly and and what you wanting to be is an intimate broadcaster talking to still microphone settings are rocking up in a rugby shirt with their Danya front is over.

Isn't it? How much you look you made your own am I think it's it's terrific it and it feels that there is some places that I still think get it right and some places get it wrong in this field in half an hour's been sat in it feels very

Comfortable feisty little icing is such a big issue in a studio.

I was thinking the lighting is wrong.

You don't quite feel comfortable enough yet.

Feel like you're going to be as authentic as you might be just tell me more about what you're absolutely right.

Why is this so lovely what you're quite brightly lit centre for radio studio because I guess there cameras in here, but maybe she might know more but it feels the Lighters recess there also spot spotlights, but there is code of accent lighting.

I feel like an interior designer that the back there's this white panel that I guess has the way that's angle towards your face women's your face is lit quite naturally I'm guessing I don't know but I'm not interior design expert Trevor despite the label, but I think there's a job for you on location location as I am not sure I could have done that Justice before they brought in cameras and lights later and retrofitted and then it it always looks a bit crap.

Biggest thing for us is not the studios Whitchurch Todd graves, and we're really proud of employees with but actually the opportunities of being with some of our colleagues, but the times at the sun at harpercollins a weird working a lot of projects now where the access that we have to the the journalist in this building the storytellers the guests that come in.

I'm along the corridor the time does running at CEO summit today.

There is some big names in Nick Clegg was only 3 years ago, but actually moving into this building is probably a bigger moment for US into my experience that email which was great predecessor and they squash together all their magazines and their radio on their television and they didn't work because nobody talk to each other that there's a real sense of competition between the platforms and the brands rather than

Sense of cooperation but you know you're finding that the working yes, it is.

I think it's because our brands of consent France as I said we're in that spoken word entertainment space within news women support women entertainment know exactly the same genres that use UK is in every working on podcast with harpercollins there in the storytelling business, so are we so did the synergy that we're finding a very natural and of course you have to work on the processes which is the boring stuff that some of us have to have to sort of work our way through but I should be idea strong the contents great.

We got personalities like like Chris Evans involved.

It was got fantastic sporting events like cricket and women's World Cup and so on the heart of it actually does collaborations seem to naturally fall out of the content.

Let me move on to another subject that I want to talk about it.

Slightly more old school radio for me.

So so the new heart breakfast show has emerged heart has come.

It's finally a national station which is clearly.

The plan for several years I don't know whether you've heard it if you haven't in a century.

Don't need to go that is exactly what you would imagine it would be you know two people having a chat playing often the same record quite a lot and giving away cash, but I just wonder how we feel now everybody in the radio industry is fish in there was already a today world everybody gets very sad.

Obviously about people losing their jobs when this kind of thing happens.

Do you think the listeners care short answer? No, I think it's going to work for them and it clearly has something with Global been working towards for very long time a good luck to them things price me a bit about this is the social reaction which it? Where are we now what a week and a half later two weeks after I went on hearts Facebook page this morning which is not somewhere.

I spend a lot of time at being solely aimed not at me but for example Lisa Kelly there this morning cod scraping the barrel with your news feed boring stuff.

We want our locals back.

Leonora Fletcher still banging on the Wellesley boohoo, they change presenters keeps throwing the tantrum that won't get you anywhere, so you've got open warfare between was does on the Facebook page 77 comments morning.

This is a post about Aladdin there is still talking about the station on the changes and then that's all on his posted Tracy done to all the people getting fed up of looking at the negative post.

I would think what a lot of us would really like is 4 hot to at least acknowledge our complaints and post some sort of reply until then the post will continue when I buy changed but you make god you're the worst days before Facebook Trevor so when you make a big change and you get that listening reaction in the old days at might be male.

It might have even been in your case parades down for tonight, but in those days.

I guess it things kind of petered out.

Where is now how global managed that social stuff everyday day and day at maybe they just thinking of little going to take the here.

It's gonna die down.

Rage I'll be fine.

You know it will be a massive success bravo a man, but I just think when you're going through this.

There is that moment where and we all know what the BBC is like when you're doing this there.

That's when I think to typing a bit.

You know two months even you're still getting flak from listeners, and it's like being here then.

You can think my god that the holes in oak solid support that you had one ever change that you've made for whatever reason you made it suddenly start saying maybe we could do this music there any place left for commercial local radio Jimmy absolutely still do some we do with great success how to say there's demand for local radio from listeners list of multinational grandson, and I think the same as when they all go away except for the National brands, and then there's there is less choice but if we

Leaflet that listens don't want local radio then maybe that will happen, but then listens don't like ready.

I don't believe that.

I think this is still love that engagement.

They can have at a local level and if the quality of what they're of what they're getting in a dad that engagement at the local level is is right then people would will TuneIn and I think if we talking about market forces here then if there's a gap in the market someone will come along to fill it and I think that the BBC has got a really good opportunity here to do I say warm up their local radio offering a little to fill cracks fill that gap that as it is about to be opened up before perhaps give me the radio jumps in there with the larger community radio stations me Johnny run one large glittery stations.

You can now sell advertising you can be local you can support community and it's what people are genuinely feel like they're missing.

I don't necessarily think that they are but what they think they feel like that's what they're missing is more local us then then there are other places that can help.

Withzack, I think to your very first point if your listings are breakfast.

Are you probably getting as much local feel as you as you got before in in terms of news dad's and and travel andrena, whatever but you don't use your used to the people and you use it and you knew that they came from the human and that element of it is just change like any sort of change really that's not really a local to National change that say presenter leaving another one taking over just to pick up your point then salmon bad.

I think you said warming up their local radio offering how would the BBC warm up John Deere think I'll tell me about 23 years in that particular branch of that organisation make it better make it younger first global have as I always do execute it brilliantly there is if you listen to her breakfast in Manchester as I do sometimes now.

It sounds just as likely never did because they're getting the bedding the heavy-lifting.

Properly it's just that connection with presenters that that you're absolutely what you said their bed so getting Meadows Stepping Stones to localness right at and inserting them into the stream well onto the BBC local radio point Trevor we could talk 4 hours we have took 4 hours about what couldn't couldn't be done.

I think there is still amazing broadcasters in that network there are still a great program is great journalist, then there are those stations where you think I have I just heard what I've heard for the last hour.

There's been either Nothing local or no real connection or very little authenticity and with the the budget and with the staffing you just think is anybody inside the building missing first nevermind outside the building could build a station that aggregates a large audience within a defined locality but is the BBC in the business of local news is about supporting local domain you'd be able to count.

Informed and I am but I'm told that they're trying to get permission to put music back in their breakfast.

Show is that a good idea that sounds to me like I need you, but it was losing audio because young people like I mean by warming up that wasn't to denigrate the service they currently right but I think we're going less local music playing more George Ezra there's always been a problem with doing a different thing between 6 and 10 in the morning when you the rest of the day and having a totally different feel and style and format to your radio station you ever do that if you were doing it to make money as it's like oregano.

I started my career BBC local radio has always been good at having people who died in the world from this city.

Do it you know like they know every single neighbourhood they know every single District they pronounce all the names properly you know from not ready Nottingham as what's the where I want? It's what John Myers was saying in that little clip of him talking in last week's program that thing about having dinner big personalities from your local he has been a problem.

BBC local radio to be so.

She's I don't know really the Politics of it to push to that older audience and I think if we can if they can warm it up make it younger than those there is going to be a gap that they can fill thank you Sam and Jimmy and John Lewis carry-on play some interesting new audio or radio that we've heard it wants to go for a style shoes Jimmy over last year.

I spend a lot of my time building out their the podcast offering of music a wireless Wi-Fi the studio's we got some really exciting stuff coming and as we do that.

It's all about grappling with this exciting world of podcasting and how we make money out of person.

I was so astonished to see the store in the last week of this new job of hopepunk that I've not even heard of before which is what the BBC apparently is looking for next year hopepunk apparently is that high-end production drama series that have an uplifting message but I think based on my choice which is 13 minutes the moon.

I'm not sure that hopepunk is the right phrasebook.

The BBC I mean goodness me to then I have to spend money on a podcast I take my hat off to than 30 minutes the moon it's an extraordinary listen Hans Zimmer the story of Apollo 13 13, but it's certainly not Punk or DIY I mean that this has had opulent production behind it and engaging listen not without its flaws a cup of reviewers have pointed to some things that they they would change about it, but I think in terms of lifting the ambition of of what can be done in podcast in our fascinating listen.

I definitely recommend it my only comment is Halloween on BBC audio producers.

Hope to produce work like that.

I don't think we can I don't we have to try and find things that we can do the day maybe less expensive and leveraging our people all the stories that were within our radio station to our businesses, but I've been following this by the one I think it's a brilliant.

I completely agree with you lots of a clip.

You're about to hear a crucial moment in the foot.

Minutes before the landing of Apollo 11 against right now even answering when ordering is coming up on 8 minutes into its powered descent taking them towards the surface of the Moon at this point Armstrong and Aldrin can't actually see the moon because the lunar module is flying sideways across the lunar surface and inside the astronauts are lying on their backs looking for a pair of small triangular Windows the star filled skies above right now someone else or rather something else is in the driving seat very funny cp64.

They're talking about a program.

That's running on the lunar modules remarkable on blood computer which at this point is doing all the flying his Charlie Duke telling us what that felt like during his landing on Apollo 16.

You coming down at this computer slide it, but you don't see the moon because the windows appointed up its pace so it 2000 m 7000 feet the vehicle pictures over interlining program and you can see the landing spot for the first time in the computer told you if if you don't do anything you're going away and it this party at gala.

Get 64 instruments the best pilots of the rage but without the lunar module unit computer and elegant programs landing on the moon would have been impossible controllers 20 seconds to gonna go for lining bone to pick with this and several other podcast.

Could you please stop pretending that it's a weekly schedule Radio Show and recapping everything that we've just heard you know I'm alright about this all this previously on just belongs in a different era.

Just get on with it.

So has it got yes, I'm sure you're all the same when you are following a podcast series you get to you know episode 7 you think I mean not a little always like death of the ice Queen funny 203 minutes every plasterboard is important.

Do I can buy that I just don't want to be I don't want to throw it back or if I want to little button to press on the telly box sets sometimes if I use roaming Midway car needs so it's so lovely seeing you all.

You should have been today anyway.

That's the moon choice and a very good one someone from you, please.

Alaska police to have you heard George's podcast by George the Poet so multi-award relative ordering and that's what triggered me to check it out because you're addict podcast duration is a perennial problem.

Isn't there is something like 700000 podcast on there and you don't really know where to start an anybody that can crack the really cracked podcast Creations got a great business on their hands.

I think but one of the ways you can decide what to listen to if you see what wins the awards and I was at the bridge podcast forward first time I've been and George just kept on winning Awards I was in the second room which was which is one of the overspill car park, Whitby drinks, and they would bring the winners through one side one there will bring them through when you talk and George ketrawars and never coming through with that he's been taken back in because he's going to win another would I think E16 awards on that night 5506 and I've kind of had dabblings in spoken word poetry those that know George the Poet know that that's what he does when I say dhabi's living doing.

Myself I mean some work at the BBC commissioning and listen to it in projects.

I find it quite difficult.

I find it a little bit samey Olivia repetitive but so I thought I'd check it out and This podcast is extraordinary.

I mean it's foot for the disorder old head she might think of these as radio balance right but reinvented for a different audience in a different time and it's clearly George's the creative Force behind it as well as the main performer in it is spoken word.

It's soundscapes.

It's kind of meandering around topics that might affect the effects of young people in urban centres today.

It's about bringing.

It's about school.

It's about drugs.

That's about crime and Punishment it's about relationship with the police as a whole episode about the London riots.

There's a whole episode about grenfell which is almost pure drama and it had me weeping on the bus and I don't do that of a clip from that grenfell episode.

Westlock Westfield Stratford Tower 23/24 Storey block of flats in Weston Honiton I'm hearing is a madness in your end.

Is behind can we have an update for 5 hours, but they say it's a line on the second floor up to xx central stores in West London West London people constantly George the Poet who is a perfect example of why the BBC should commission podcast because what he's doing.

Just does not fit into any of their traditional channels V aus permeable as those walls might be or might like to think of the Wrath of Silence there George as far as I understand it has made all this himself of his own back and I think it's just rooted by Acaster micro butch.

I think this such production only comes when the commissioner and creator of the same person and he's so decisively clear about what he's trying to do with it and yet at the same time its amorphous and almost impossible to describe so just listen to the first couple of episodes up to the great brilliant stuff give it a shot John right choice from you mine is another podcast.

It's called perfect night in perfect night in doctor's if you want to go and find it and it's the creation of a guy called Neil Perryman that you might recognise the name of I'm a Doctor Who nerd and have been for a very long time and he is the guy that came up with very successful blog called adventures with the wife in space where he watch Doctor Who from Episode 1 with his wife they've never seen it and then took down the comments she made and she got spoiler alert she was my fan quite a lot but came to love some of it so meals quiet and interesting broadcast we came to it through that kind of nerdy Doctor Who sci-fi side and

Perfect night in does like all good things are very simple format.

He has a guest and the guest has to pick a TV shows and emotional scheduled in the night from 6 to midnight.

What's your perfect night in Trevor or whoever is talking to it? Are you going to go to pick a snack and drink for halfway through and an advert that you loved so it's kind of like it's cult TV Desert Island Discs I guess is what you call it but because of the circles in which Neil has moved in kind of fandom and cult TV the people if not I think it's just an episode 12 which was his first woman in 12-hour and the guys are all I guess oven age so the shows are they don't Hancock moviedrome Grange Hill Secret Army cracker type tripods banana Splits something called ski boy, so if it's one that you've never heard of something.

I hear a very evocative bit of the title music and then very well informed and

Quietly nerdy contributors will take you through why they pick this particular episode and it's actually fascinating the number of times.

I've been to YouTube off the back to go and find a bit of this show that I need a completely forgotten about or never heard of the quality of the conversation is just it's like sinking into a warm bath and remembering a chartered.

I guess it's clip Grange Hill you very specific with the ear of Grain show that you chosen you want to talk us through it 12th 1989 size 12.

Not I'm not long been at senior school hello into senior school expecting it to be like Grange Hill bottom stay at wasn't so I was living I was living that fantasy vicariously through the characters of Grange Hill im getting school was a lot more boring in real life lot more Attenborough having a dream the night before I started senior school Edinburgh in the dream.

It was I was hanging around with the cool gang like Robbie in Gumtree everybody of course that never materialised.

This is particularly is one of my favorites because I remember it, so well and everyone who come and reach their peak everybody I loved in the series about poetry really blossom, so your gun shoot started off with Holloway and then he lost Holloway and then him and Robbie is Ziggy from this little click and it was just really lovely to watch them together.

They'll have such great chemistry, and then Bronson was in his element here and then you knead sourdough is more of a call and Ted they were a bit shit the gridiron Gang where are the recording but this episode just was like a stomach punches all the children around the country.

It was unbelievable Danny kendall's this sort of rebellious kid he wanted to be an artist but he was too much for slacker and Brooke Bronson was it had it in for a mini disappeared a few episodes before this and it was a running theme of Seal Team Danny Kendall it was like no and at the end of episode Ziggy and gods and Robbie running away from more than a call.

And the gridiron gang and they hiding this underground car park and I find Mr Bronson scar which is also gone missing and they open the door outfalls dead Danny Kendall boys look better get out.

How did he die? It was never really made clear.

It is assumed that or some sort of drug or heart problem or something.

I always assumed it was drugs because the incredits didn't kick him didn't go to do it, despite minor chord feel like

And this is how we Bingham get help and then the rest of the series dealt with Danny being Dead a perfect night in let's go back to a Jimmy you want to promote something that we can't yet here, but is it out so well, you know we'll play clip shortly so the reason I thought it'd be good to share his we spoke about a year ago Trevor when we set up wireless Studios and I was talking earlier about can we create things within wireless, but also drawing on other parts of this business that bring together all the all those different strengths of the different businesses to Aoife we created a new True Crime podcast franchise which is about telling some British Stories not American store is not Australian stories is about up some more responsible treatment and more journalistic treatment the brand is called reporter and first season drops in just over weeks time and this is an incredible story that we've worked on.

Harpercollins that they are launching a book on Monday called murder in the graveyard and it's the story of the Wendy Sewell and Stephen Downing case where is Stephen did 27 years inside longest ever time in prison for a miscarriage of Justice 1414 conviction and it's an incredible story that still on told Lucy did someone is the producer and Andre Turan has done her.

I just a wonderful job in in telling that story in 8 parts and we're really excited about the potential to tell more stories like that in a sudden narrative way, there's been a bit of a trend in an audio publishing recently of times with book publishing sofa harpercollins.

This is an interesting experiment as to how audiobooks book publishing podcast will broadcast on the radio as well, how these different elements fit together and what's how do you tell a story over all those different platforms in a way that but actually makes sense of the listener.

This is made in the graveyard the true story of the murder of Wendy Sewell attacked.

In Beccles Cemetery on a bright sunny day 1973 with a pickaxe handle no one has been convicted for when he's murder she had friends and she was a nice person was she didn't seem to adult subscribe now as the first episode of report of murder in the graveyard 24th of June Jimmy that's fine.

Thank you very much for that.

Let's go back to Sam for your second one is a book at bath time by John home excellent title and Jake yapp.

It's on Four Extra at I think it's 11:55 or 10:55.

I'm not listen to it that time of listen to it on an app called BBC sounds.

I've heard of that I mention it's basically John and Jake literally sitting in a bath full of water they even brought rubber ducks John tells me that according to the photos apparently sat in the

Crabs in full suits cos it's the BBC and then reading smutty literature to you with each other to us all think my dad wrote a porno but for some reason in a bath and it's just silly and I've I've always liked John and I think he's one of those to me dad one if you forgive me for saying this is one of those comedians who I think he's funny almost exactly 50% of the time to me that means that much that means he takes risks and he kinda goes I'm going to try something new here and I think is reinventing himself all the time and he was on podcast sale of his other one show showing podcast app.

It's actually brilliant, but even within that some of the Daleks work some of the gags don't and I really like that.

It's like it cycle everything that he does his son of an Edinburgh wool map showing in the seller of a pub somewhere.

He's just wants to try stuff out.

So you get impression that him and Jake Jake yapp.

You'll know from those who I think is very.

Goes on on them as screenwipe, they just have a sat down and where would we do this in the bath and so they did it and and somebody let me put it on the BBC so it's never we can because I hope uncle no cuticles ran through the ballroom of proprietary bordering Libya was shaking just being auctioned off an Evening with £210,000 for shape and very very the charity was committed to down.

Is grooming for Panthers to increase their chances of mating successfully and wildlife money she never agreed to this and she was sitting next to a man.

She's only just met you replace the winning bid you didn't know it was a man for me at the hot water lily looked up.

It's alright.

I wouldn't dream of holding you for the Dead really important for you to protect you I could see you didn't want to do it live Your Smile teeth.

I'm finally your second one job.

It's a whole station and it's LBC I like I'm getting older.

I'm getting more right wing but the NUM the amount of hours.

I spent with LBC is growing and growing and it is a brilliant product.

I've loved it since I was a kid and it was Bobby and dog and it was Brian Hayes in the morning and I've even when it goes through a crappy spell it's still interesting and I think there are there are criticisms of LBC at the moment, but I think some of the things that it does really well, and I can't believe I'm saying these words Farage is amazing is a great broadcaster on the air.

He's encouraging to callers.

He does his forward progression he ideas the station or when he's on I maybe it's perception but I think the Coleraine

Which is wider and it's certainly not from London it's from all over and I think that I was an amazing piece of work by global and then there is still little bits and we've all done this when we try to slowly move a station from A to B or A to Z Kai full still on my fasting as consumer are at 9 on a Sunday in everybody's in Belsize Park or yellow Stratham or and it's like there's a little bit of LBC still in Exile and then Nick Abbot is on and I always go back.

I don't know anybody but I still think from DLR from Virgin he still got that Totally Insane approach which is intelligent and funny and I'm not sure everybody gets it but while Nick Abbot still broadcast every week on a radio station.

I think it's hopefully industry.

I'm going to ask you to choose a clit because I'm I would automatically just played with James O'Brien been brilliant.

But you said Farage do you want me to put a clip of Farage in here and have Farage associated with you.

If that's a good thing or a bad this again.

I'm not going to say anything rude about Nigel Farage but yes what it whatever you think about him whenever I think about him.

Cos I broke the same thing it he's a great broadcaster at this Sunday I was driving all the way from Manchester to Wales and I got bored of this music so I put LBC on forgetting this Farage and just got totally sucked up the way he was with a cause stick a bit of Farage off and I'll Sammy hagar John Ryan was locked up this outrageous that they can refuse to carry out an instruction from their constituent people like you didn't really understand.

The implications of what you voted for Economic damage that's what they'll tell you until people on about their 10 year old children are living in Sarah brexit is bad at the PDC Donna get when they're pedalling this rubbish.

If I just can't believe what's going on.

So if we don't leave on that date for what does it mean for the Conservative Party unfortunately the Conservatives now fighting you and the centre right is gonna get it's gonna get split people gonna go with you.

I mean are the only time.

I've ever voted in 47 years and that was to get the hell out of Europe that's the only time I ever vote.

Voting for us to get the hell out of here, because I'm in the transport industry and all the Europeans that have swarmed over here.

They held down wages in mind asleep.

You know they've taken jobs all over the place and I see it everyday.

I come across it everything I wanted to say having been ill for a little while as I've always been really kind of sniffy about audiobooks always so why would I want somebody to read to me and I am not 6 years old and you know what kind of slightly overgrown Paddington but you know what I don't know.

Whether is that when you were poorly your last year, but when you can't concentrate on anything when the radio is irritating because it's so repetitive.

It's the same bullet in the same stuff older audio books that suck you in like a saga are really very very exciting and I've got the I've got the thing now.

I just started with but he is my thing about.

Audiobooks, why are they always done for the American market because they really eat you'll be listening to something and it will say such as he character has moved out of London and moved to her smile is just full of them.

What does anybody else like audio books alright? Are you all too young never listen to an audio? Just say I'm so listen to do with your eyes you just shut your I tell you what you basically, It's saying that all your books of for the ill.

I mean my problem is it was quite late to podcast consumption as well because I just had so much to listen to and then end in a text to Mum I didn't listen to on the Tube because I was watching stuff for reading stuff.

So if I think that question is a bit like you're reading a book on the Tube but do you do the arrears?

If I can hear things so it's I guess it's about having the time to think that that's absolutely energynote Rovers you're not alone that they're growing rapidly so no friends at harpercollins.

See it is the fastest growing area in publishing audiobooks.

Is is is is a parking space and I think it's it's the smartphone right.

It's the same thing that's put podcasts into people's handed and democratized audio and giving us the power every what we listen to Our in the same way, it's opened up a library of content on your phone and and it's so personal it so intimate.

I think the other thing with audiobooks is the the profile of the audience was traditionally paps an older audience perhaps predominantly female Mills and boon things like that and its sprawling rapid is going a lot younger and so harpercollins example publishers everything that they publish physically or any book also has an audiobook.

Just as appointed principal they say let's publish everything in audio and I sing it massively take.

One thing you've got to be aware of before you start is that you will fall asleep and so every morning you wake up and you have to get on your audible page and think how much have I missed you know any have to callus peel back the wrong word probably have to go back till you recognise a bit that I heard that yeah that must be roughly where I fell asleep travel.

What are you turning into? Sorry when you go sleep you little bit.

Don't you sit down when you've got your books like radio drama? Well.

I hope you enjoy this as much as I have John Ryan thank you.

Good luck with your 2zy and other new show funded by at Sam's video content for absolutely.

Thank you Sam Bailey will see you again soon and I'm sure you'll have you back.

Thank you and Julie Buckland it was the very kind of you.

Converters we've had a lovely time.

Can we can and we can see this has been the radio Today programme for June 2019 some people thought it would never happen, but to use to thank you Trevor and guests fantastic to have you back at quick word before we go to James cridland and David Lloyd about cleanfeed.

It's been designed for radio people and for podcasters as a way of connecting live quality audio.

Just using a browser maybe you doing an OBD at an interview for your show or a podcast or co-hosting show at from a remote location cleanfeed is great.

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That's cleanfeed, Don it in Brisbane Airport I'm James cridland the radio futurologist apple.

I'm making some changes.

You've probably heard about iTunes going away and in truth this means little iTunes went away on iPhones a long time ago and this latest changes just

Replacing iTunes with three separate apps on the Mac if you're on a Windows machine iTunes continues as normal apple have asked you not to talk about podcast being on iTunes for the last 18 months anyway for there are also some changes to Apple podcasts categories and those changes which are list on pod news are substantial.

I calculate about 70 new categories and 30 renamed or removed once the changes take place in late summer which probably means the first week in September when the new operating system is normally released apple is responsible for nearly 90% of all podcast listens because apples database powers many other podcast apps from overcast To Pocket Casts player.fm to Castro almost all podcast apps of use the original category list but as far as I can discover apple didn't talk to a single podcast app developer before announcing these changes everyone will have to rebuild parts of their happy.

Response they also didn't talk to a single podcast hosting provider before announcing these changes and this was a complete surprise to them many hosting company to privately expressed anger to me.

We're scrambling once as we don't get a heads up.

Everyone will have to rebuild part of their publishing process within just a few months the success of podcasting is partially because podcasts are available everywhere not just on an Apple device the same RSS feed That powers apple podcasts also powers many different services like Spotify Google podcasts on stitcher.

We don't know what will happen to the services if we change categories just for apples benefit the iTunes categories were Apple's own invention back in 2005 and their changes a good news in mostly well Thought Out however on its own devices apple is responsible for just 60% of all podcast downloads a figure that's falling to but in spite of this Apple

What is just arrogant to change podcast categories for its own purposes without Consulting any other part of the podcast community that this will affect this is partially podcasting fault.

There's no industry Association a place where produces app developers podcast hosting companies medtech companies can come together.

There are no best practice guidance documents for things as simple as how do I display episode notes should I cash audio and do I need permission from podcast is first before listing them perhaps they should be I'm keen that this at least changes however.

It's also an issue within apple because as is clear from the release of this document and the abject failure of the company to engage with any part of the podcast in community.

It's clear that they believe that they own podcasting but they don't even get my weekly newsletter James.

Credit on land and Daily Podcast music produce Totnes and until next time.

Keep listening an hour on the radio Today programme hopefully in the UK somewhere.

He is David Lloyd the regional 105.2 frequency in the West Midlands began carrying Greatest Hits last Christmas fair and he said but we can't unwrap it until the 7th of January so in the meantime his Greatest Hits Christmas with all that change the frequency had carried Absolute Radio West Midlands West Midlands and have you got Sutton Coldfield as well?

Sutton Coldfield you never said that number for Absolute it was for her rock what is correct way to put your headphone holder and she hasn't coming to write emoji.

West Midlands this week in 2004 and lasted 9 years there but the station of course remains online and on Freeview as well Russell Harty was a very well-known TV name he was also on the board of red rose radio in Lancashire as it launched and on are there to him the other guys.

He died this week 31 years ago and we were interviewed by the IVA for this Lancashire franchise.

He demonstrated real professionalism and flare and above all great nerve from with believe me we did needed that time the evil of radio you love being in the North The Wanted eventually to take a much greater interest here.

So it really is very sad indeed really good morning at this is Russell Harty this is actually a historic moment for Red Rose radio because it's our first.

Broadcast I'm perched on one of those rather elegant platform on the middle of the M6 and she's not on the middle of its underside the M6 because if you're a platform on the middle of the M6 would be in trouble and I'm in a very smart clean snapping brand new police car and we're about to move off on Russell Harty who dies this week in 1988 by then used to get the local stars on board when you applied for a local commercial radio franchise Greg James now presents rewinder on Saturday mornings on Radio 4.

I'm Greg James usually the host of the Radio 1 Breakfast Show that as a proud radio nerd and someone who probably spend too much of their spare time searching for oddities online the opportunity to wander across the corridor to Radio 4 and gain access to one of the greatest Media resources on the planet was too good to miss but Greggs not the only in Cambodia 1 breakfast presenter II who appeared on Radio 4 this week 15 years ago.

Who's this?

In The Archers Chris Moyles yes in The Archers this week in 2014 CEO why render them the central office of information the government public service communications division used to be a huge commercial radio clients and around 50 million in some years until around 8 years ago when that amount Fell to Just A trickle the account had been handled by the agency OMD but they lost it to star.com this week in 2005 and all that money meant that many commercial radio ad breaks used to be full of things like this.

Where are you driving to the office shops?

Watch out as seconds carelessness and you would land an old person in hospital.

If you do come from Nowhere typical cli add from 1978 that one I don't want us to what extent the number of elderly casualties grew after all those PSA stopped and they may not either see or hear you coming you've got to watch out for them.

What are u105 now I joists an impressive 20% reach in the south.

It was licensed as a station playing funny eclectic music when it launched this week 21 years ago.

This is Peter Nicholson chairman of Wave 105 point to welcoming you for the very first time.

I'd like to take everyone who has helped make this moment possibly it's been a great team effort well.

Good morning is Wave 105 point to the South brand new radio station where you're going to find better music and great tour from Weymouth to Worthing from Basingstoke to Blackgang Chine every single.

Day of the week.

I hope you're well.

I cannot tell you just how exciting this day is at last we have a grown up radio station for the south of grown-ups.

No matter how old you are the launch of Wave 105 this week in 1998 the MD modern ball records that have people used to call them grave 105.4 Moses sceptical early days so with the first Big Top 40 show with Richard cat 10 years ago have been hit40uk 6 years ago.

I just like to thank everybody here at capitol.

You've been fantastic absolutely fantastic, but every chapter has to end up in your favourite.

You Are Jeremy Kyle's late night confessions program dropped by the original Virgin Radio 15 years ago now and any change to be advertised said your purpose of Harry Roberts

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