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I hope you can feature on your programme and item to challenge the BBC policy as set out by Alan Davies this evening when talking about President Trumps racist rousing last night.
We can and having his here to offer a mea culpa first thing to say is it was a mistake to do if we did it because a lot of the audience interpreted very nice Evan Davis explains why Radio 4 p.m.
Programme broadcast unedited and without comment or context 2 minutes of President Trump on the rampage and this week, it's really
Everyone's gone to the moon know it will be a good fight.
What's the far too much coverage of the moon landings 50 years on we have your views and the expert opinion of the man who stayed listeners and viewers through that first mission of years ago James Burke put out you can see him leaning on it.
You can just make out the back where the girl has a Callow BBC training I stood in the corner of the studio watching The Master at work salons in even the Legendary astronomer Patrick Moore James burks, inquisitiveness remains does will find out ASDA's that have our listeners in our out of your comfort zone furniture to breathlessness go where they have never gone before and reviewing episode of amp.
Play BBC World Service hits the harrowing tale of one man's mission to save his seven grandchildren from Syria and Isis amazing story and I really enjoyed it turned out very compelling programme it wasn't an easy lesson because of the events that were being described, but it was very compelling.
Last week on p.m.
With Evan Davis we have this going to play next track from that really last night slightly longer than you normally get to see all news bulletins no comment and I need this is a section of the president's speech the program then broadcast to an interrupted minutes of President Trumps tirade against the congresswoman ilhan Omar after which Evan Davis said 2 minutes of politics in the US 2019 the president talking about bill Beaumont the left-leaning Democrat congresswoman now 20 million pounds and nearly 2 million cubic metres of sand is being invested into a stretch of a road in Norfolk coastline is the first Samsung the presenter then moved on to another item without further comment.
But you have plenty to say here are some of your reactions Susan jukes from Lutterworth I hope you can feature on your program and item to challenge the BBC policy as set out by Evan Davis this evening when a ding dong left right presentation of a debate can become tedious.
There is little neutrality evident in an item which brought the material of this kind without providing any context I wanted to know what the American congresswoman had actually said not just the walk version provided by trump racism is a complex but clearly defined offence in the UK and a matter of fact surely.
It's reasonable and responsible reporting to point this out from its Kevin Davies made it clear that this was deliberately broadcast without comment that was the right decision that listeners make up their own Minds Bridget
I heard this and instantly thought our brave.
It was a p.m.
To broadcast it it allowed us to hear the speech as well as the Walkers content the baying Mob and context is everything in our sound like Mike Gibbons from Malpas in Cheshire we were listening to the president of America who was explaining to the people is total disbelief Omar have been promoting al Qaeda more than America and backing up his decision with known evidence and yet when we returned to the studio the subject was closed end of Article moving swiftly on it was as though the BBC did not want the truth of what was really going on in America my name is Moriarty from Fiskerton and I live near Stroud I heard Evans peace and I found it very stimulating particularly because it was unusual and Anna
And the effect of this was to make me more attentive to what trump was saying and more discerning in identifying my own response to what I heard Caroline Johnson from Worcestershire it was surprisingly powerful especially with such an extreme change of direction in the peace that followed it perhaps the BBC should do this more often to explain why p.m.
Rampart of this controversial speech without comment and without putting it into context Roger we felt actually that speech at that rally.
Had had less attention that day then.
We thought it merited.
We thought it was a really big event to see the president addressing a rally in that manner and the rallies response to him, so we wanted to market we also are aware that sometimes the people are saying the same clip again and again on 1000 different news outlets and they never see any more.
And we thought we play a longer clip that is the buildup to the chanting as well as just the charity said that's really an excellent idea, but why stop there are not any particular say is what the president is a legend about the so-called squad or one of them accurate or not, but first thing to say is it was a mistake to do if we did it because a lot of the audience interpreted very negatively.
I'm actually delighted you play some listeners comments that were positive about it because some of your listeners.
Got it in the way that we intended.
We thought it was impossible to say listen to this.
You don't need me to tell you what you think about it as they felt we were being if you like tomorrow in just letting the president say all the stuff about a you know this woman was not to run it, but it was to run it without explaining what the position the real position was of.
Number of the so-called squad, I think there are two things I would accept given that trump made very specific allegations against this one woman.
We probably ought to have filled in more detail about what she had said what the context of what she'd said was so I can accept that I think Susan one of your listeners made that point like I think probably that that is something you should have done but more to the point clearly a lot of your listeners took the line.
No comment make up your own mind about this but we were potentially saying on the one hand there is racism you made that thing on the other hand as anti racism that maybe your thing and the neutrality began to look like complicity and we never want and you try to look like complicity because we say this is a racist chant all of this is a racist president because we don't say that doesn't mean we're saying he isn't racist we had genuinely to make.
When to get drawn into the some people would say to the fact they would say Trump is racist and you will not say that on the brain and William and this Roger has been brought and difficult debate for journalists and for the BBC essentially the issue.
Is is racist the most beautiful word to describe what the president is doing and I I'm very divided on in my own head because I think I think most people would regarded as racist I can see that it is racist but I also think racist is the short punches and simplest way of describing the characteristics of a lot of what he's doing and I like playing speaking so there's a very strong case but just saying it as it is and and putting it that way on there and everywhere with me here, but there are things that make me uncomfortable about using a word that is potentially seen as loaded.
While the debate about it is live Djokovic won Wimbledon a game that some people regard as tennis I get that we don't some people regard the game of Tesco's in his tennis however, we don't spend the week after Wimbledon debating whether it was tennis and quite a lot of post tweet and post rally date was and we were asking government ministers.
Do you consider it racist in your you know more than most the best your mum and dad that cross more than we are.
What did you say for example that the president is a layer of the president light now.
We know he has and we know it does and specifically actually about that events that you covered he lied and they said they were no talking point in his notes of somebody taking photographs of little bit of the dog in points so we can say Trump is a liar to find that difficult to say is BBC presenter.
There is my in.
John list of sparing about the use of that word is because lie-in present intention and it's harder for us to read the intention, so that's the answer to your question.
I don't want and I know what's going on in his brain.
So that doesn't imply doesn't employ intention now.
There are cases where I think it will be very clear about his intention and yes, I think on those occasions.
We should use the word lie get it if it's the simplest way of describing what has happened and we sure that's what happened.
You should use that word so when for example he has his hand his briefing notes and he has the briefing notes are nothing to do in a no talking points about this is you he says that then send text to get the briefing you say he's lied.
I think you would probably say is live on that occasion.
Yeah, it's about the difficulties of selecting one piece.
I think to highlight again without providing the context has her question imaging array from London the only thing that worries me about this approach.
Is that we only had the section of the rally that the BBC to play and that could be seen as the BBC selecting only the part that supported the message and wanted to promote.
I think she's making a good summarise the speech as a whole then he was declared that would be alright.
I guess you.
Don't know what was in the rest of speech is she right about then yes, and no I think the news value of that speech to be blunt was not the argument that was been made the political points that the president was landing.
I think the news value of that speech was what one might call the ambiance in the hall and the relationship between the speaker and the audience so for me.
I wouldn't particularly want to get drawn into a long factual discussion about the point the president was making.
Actor that speech and the reason we considered important was because of what was going on in the hall and what we wanted to do was not just play 12 seconds of the audience being said would bang I just use the word that you can say babe or do something about that because we just didn't want to play the 12 seconds of audio and shouting we wanted to play the build up to that.
So you just had a little bit more of what was going on in a call and have feeling was it wasn't about the fact all the job it was much about it was about that that ambience and one that would be most listeners might regard as very chilling out.
Thanks to Adam Davis and we'll hear more from have next week in the interview in which he talks about the challenges of broadcasting a period of heightened polarization in politics here and Abroad when lies and half-truths seem to be becoming an everyday occurrence.
Now back to uncomfortable future if you have a favourite radio program, you may well make a date to listen to it each week.
We tend to be creatures of habit at least I am so each week were asking to BBC Radio listeners to step out of their comfort zones and listen to a program that wouldn't normally switch on this week for a second time.
We have any Taylor from Bristol and Dr Kevin Mullen from Northampton first.
I want to get an idea of the listening habits so in a what would be your top 3 programs if you were stranded on a desert island.
I always listen to The Untold I really love the patch and a listen to today everyday, so I'm bit of a Radio 4 nerd I'm going are you allowed to probably why couldn't do without In Our Time more or less and Inside Science or they're just taking it on a desert island.
I hope you're sending herself with the art.
Is ander just a minute anyway, I would agree there an episode of podcast regularly on the world service and the episode we want you to review went out on Sunday the 14th of July 10:30 in the morning in which Patricio galvez grandfather and talks to the producer presenter Andrew Kennedy how would you describe the program could explain just wants about this program is really about a grand father's love and the nation and his desire to rescue his seven grandchildren after his daughter becomes radicalised and ends up in Syria and she ultimately dies and leaves these 7 Scandinavian orphans and he sets off on a mission to get his grandchildren back and it's a really amazing story.
I really enjoyed it.
I'm Kevin did you enjoy it as well? I found it very
Washington easy lesson because of what event that would been described, but it was very compelling it was pretty spartan.
There wasn't it? I mean it's quite a gamble for a producer to do a program which is essentially an interview with a person and by the way we're going to do that person so the voice of going to hear is actually actor image.
Did you find that difficult I did that the format of the program that she wasn't that brilliant at the beginning.
They used to translate her sort of over the top of Patricio speaking in Spanish but as the programme progress they started to use just the translator to voice patricios words without him speaking in the background which the me completely took you out of the story and because when you're listening to avoid just listening to the the words you listen to the the emotions that lie behind and how is an actor is they can't do that Kevin could you find the former please stop?
Play I quite liked the structure of the program in that the presenter was just dipping in now and again with an open question giving Mr galvus free-range to respond and then occasionally giving a light spot of narration or a music clip to give background information so in terms of finding out the story that they were singing in a limited amount of time to convey.
I quite liked the format, but it was an extraordinary story and at the end.
I found it particularly moving when he was having the children having been got out.
Thank the lord.
He was then separated from them their healthy visits them, but they held separately which was so frustrating was Ned you just said the authorities to be able to get them out and that was a real strength of the program.
Is that it induces real kind of emotion in the listener.
I think you can have really rooting for the family to be reunited.
Are they made it and they're all now in Sweden so what now will there still obstacles to hurdle the children are currently living separately from patio in a secure location where Patricia visits them.
This is partly so they can receive specialist care and counseling for the trauma.
They have experienced but also to protect them.
Not everyone is happy to welcome back the children of Islamic state Fighters and Kevin I didn't know this story at all to do with such an amazing story.
I must have heard it somewhere read it somewhere.
I haven't I hadn't caught any of the story before hand but I'd agree with a me that you were very much rooting for the family the big surprise for me in the story was the British attitude towards migrants and the children I'd expected them to more liberal giving my background ideas about Sweden to that was a real surprise that came out.
Just assume you said the story was so important it really Justified the half hour and was an excellent program and does that mean that you would go back and let's do it again even if I asked you to do that Kevin definitely going to listen again and I think this is a program.
You need to sit down with a fresh cup of tea and pay attention.
It's not a program for while you're cooking or ironing.
This is a listen program and will you try the program again yes absolutely I thought the depth of research was just amazing and I thought it was a brilliant brilliant program and I liked how in-depth it went and how it really maybe something like Kevin said he needed to concentrate which is probably a good my generation to have to do to sit down and concentrate on something.
So yes, I would absolutely listen again.
Thanks to Emma Taylor and Kevin Malone love you like to take part in that feature.
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It was fifty years ago on July 20th 1969 that the world's first heard these famous words.
Apparently Neil Armstrong the first man on the Moon should have said that's one small step for a man in the week BBC Radio has been marking the anniversary of the Apollo 11 mission to the moon and less you've been hiding in a soundproof chamber.
It would have been hard to miss it across the various radio network news reports and interviews several dramas and comedies and documentary series was it worth is blanket coverage.
I have with me James Burke who has a unique perspective as he spent 10 days in the BBC studio back in 1969 covering the moon landing and who made his own Radio 4 programme about those extraordinary days when the whole world seems to be staring at the nearest neighbour.
You can just make out the backpack The Veteran has broadcast a famous.
They had no words you speechless when man finally landed on the moon that you were speechless way, because I really did not want to go down in history as the person who took over the top of whatever he said keeping a mailshot was number one at the time but the audience at this first pictures of black and white pictures when Neil Armstrong is going onto number.
There is hazy if you have pointed out.
What was happening.
It was what I didn't really find out what I remember clearly that a voice in my ear from a control gallery said as a camera first camera shots came down.
What are we looking at and I had to say to the audience.
I must confess I have no idea what we're looking at a look at it before but it was extremely this of course was accumulation of 10 days to me was what happen if it went wrong and what would you have done?
You said he did not have a prepared obituaries and no did NASA because I asked and they said no we don't do such things as I said before it over again.
I had been 4 weeks in Houston interview and everything that walked and talked and if it didn't get into it and so I had a ton of film which we could have cobbled together very quickly to say something about whatever it was we would want to say I'm in the cut off the field immediately and there was only one Atlantic satellite bring it.
So there would be no pictures immediately and then we were waiting for another announcement.
I did you have any real real doubt that this would not succeed or was there party with a thought it could go very badly wrong that there's a problem because you see most of Apollo 11 was a radio programme administrator very small amount of ATP television so you were always wear that things might be going on that you didn't know about especially because there were two sets of Communications won't be heard.
Communication which is the other channels which they spoke directly to Mission Control and on that time who knew what was going on a very very risky venture and fortunately I had Patrick Moore to fill and what was the most dangerous part was it actually re-entry and landing the landing and what we didn't know at the time and couldn't hear the time on the moon on the Moon was that when they separated from this model.
There is a little bit extra push they shouldn't have had and when they got down to just above the surface.
They realise they perform as beyond the site which had been exhaustively photographing everybody you all about it now.
He couldn't use it so he had to find it on landing site and just before he did so he was hovering over what he described as a football field size creator full of builders in cars and on the other side of it look like a small space to land on and he landed after 240000 miles with about 19 Seconds of fuel in electric oven.
Yes, but now there is always rest of the way there and back well.
Let's look at the programs that have been celebrating what happened 50 years ago and has certainly been a large number of them and soundbar to many Gino Garvey I can't get enough of the Apollo stuff.
I was 9 when the moon landing happened and I remember it clearly my friends little brother is called Neil Edward Michael can you get his date of birth Trevor completely over the top? I'm sure you don't need so much filling up of a Schedule I recall very well the actual events of 50 years ago.
It was an enormous event covered his head as quickly as possible by the limited capabilities of the radio and TV at the time so James internal times to think that's been too much coverage because I think it is a completely new way of seeing history it.
I mean if you know we don't know anybody from 1066 we can't get anything except the written word from Queen Elizabeth the first.
Now for the first time there are major event which will covered by television and radio but more by television which means that we we can have replay history in a way we were never able to before I start the story from now on for a completely new view of history.
Are you free call then the greatest media event of all time and all time will the sunset the audience that got the pictures and the words and ignore Mistley greater than anything ever been done before in print.
So I think that's why it's the greatest media event 600 million people swords specifically at the radio for cereal and moon which tells the story of a Polish 5-day mission over the anniversary week.
It was debating drama performed by actors the serious use the original transcript from the mission and in this clip from the first episode of Neil Armstrong Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins blast off from the Kennedy Space Centre and prepare to leave at Albert been a real Summers countdown.
Channel 4 gym shoes nobody listened to all of those 5 programmes, did you enjoy them? Well? I would not cost if I didn't try them very good you listen to so much and you know so much you think I know all that but it was very clever trick.
I thought to mix the real voice of Houston with the actors voices onboard The spacecraft, and you know during the people didn't hear 90% of that stuff and it was fascinating.
I think anyway to see how these people behaved talking until they went to the moment.
I didn't like the music but apart from that.
I thought there's a pretty good job.
Thanks to James Burke one of my first broadcasting Heroes whose energy and enthusiasm seem undiminished.
Drive a small bird specials perhaps for some special editions of tomorrow's world and that's it for another edition of feedback next week.
I'll be speaking to the Diana radio critics Gillian Reynolds now waiting for the Sunday Times she believes the BBC's betting the shop on podcasts and asks is this the end of Radio as we know it is she right visit are the traditional networks like this one on their way out how we're doomed to tell us your thoughts about BBC Radio and podcasts until next week, goodbye.
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