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19/07/2019 Radio 4 Feedback…

BBC sounds music Radio podcasts hello absolutely living in that culture in those sort of people you don't do that then go to the promise.

That is as the 150 of season starts will be talking to the Promise director David Pickard bad weather the proms at too posh.

We've all got to work as hard as we can to destroy this mate about elitism and 30 years on still standby.

Yes, I think I do because a society is characterised by its values at shares and if you don't share the difficult for you to feel for me at home.

Did you pass the Turing test cricket test cheering for the country where you live rather than the country from which you or your parents game?

Play some Radio 4 documentary reporter Roger.

I didn't seem to think the test was worth taking will that is pretty uncompromising them.

No one is clearly not for turning into an entire generation on his views still felt right at naive I'll be talking to Raj and at a later about whether with such strong views.

He was capable of being in and out of your comfort zone furniture.

We have two new listeners giving their opinions on BBC Radio 3 private passions better Desert Island Discs Palace that's what less music and more talk.

I wanted more I wanted the rest of the conversation that how interesting it was yes, I completely and I found myself skipping through the music to get to the next bit of conversation, which I probably shouldn't admit to.

This year's Proms marks the 150th birthday of the founder conductor Sir Henry Wood he had a vision for a series of concerts to bring the best of classical music to the widest possible the Promise was taken over by the BBC but have been persistently dogged by the acquisition of elitism is that Justified David Pickard Proms director is embarking on his 4th programme of this week and will be answering that charge and talking to us about his plans, but first a producer Kate Dixon has been to a lunchtime recital at st.

James' church in Piccadilly in London find out what the audience and musicians Shiraz kofsky on the villa and Jennifer who's on the piano think about Henry Wood promenade concerts of the queues team to get the proper tickets am in the old incredibly young and what is also I notice a lot to see many more young people older people taking their and I've noticed that it is.

Speaker front when I having a lazy 7 something like that many years and in the 50s and 60s.

It was elitist there was no doubt no longer absolutely latest and if you're not living in that culture in those sort of people you don't do that then I suppose I prefer classical music and I've got a feeling what I read it becoming very dumb down and you will turn around and say to me.

That's the latest.

I don't mind any rule of traditional and classical level tell you they probably say this alright, but it's not their thing introducing like stage musicals, which I love not at the Proms

Put a timer on is not an easy listening, but I'm 24 years olds and I'm actually a composition student so the friends that I have already going to the Proms to see new music but I have friends from my hometown who just would never even dream of going all they don't even know it's happening.

Do you think perhaps at the Proms should spread its wings a bit more on and have concerts outside London 100% of mineralized thriving cities about some culture and Country Lodge Bristol Manchester Birmingham where you kids absolutely have concert programmes Jennifer Hughes why definitely there are many more women composers in the programme Mr than that have been in the past and it needs to be building year on year so fantastic and then we still have a way to go but great to see so many women now playing on such a big stage.

I'm not sure what music is necessarily good.

Written by a woman or written by man, but I think I should look at music at 20 the major conservatoires in London and now including even degrees in competition for games so it's definitely coming up and I'm sure it would capture the audience so I think that would be really considering the future director of the Proms David everybody else who is it elitist you always say no but the perception is there even amongst people attending a lunchtime recital that must bother you.

I too sure I think that people still think that I mean.

I I would argue that I think we must and confuse the problems of classical music.

I think we all accepted in classical music.

We've all got to work as hard as we can to destroy this myth about it.

Total miss ya I mean, you know the particularly for the problems which could not be a more democratic or accessible festival you know the fact that we have 6 lb promming tickets at every single set the new standard very best place in the hall to the finest organs in the world.

You know the fact that we have no 25 broadcast on television and we have every prom free for everybody listen to on Radio 3.

I I can't think of any other celebration classical music which is quite so many people in quite a democratic way, but that's the reality but it's on the perception certain parts of the country.

What's going wrong here because you know you said what the situation is and why is not message you getting through? I think that's very interesting, by gentleman who talked about it.

How it was a litres in the past and isn't now actually funny enough I disagree with my during the process has been deleted but what he said was very interesting to me, which was he said you know you see older people bringing their children to enjoy the Proms and actually that's exactly what happened to me.

You know that my first problem was with my old.

No problem, my children are coming to the prawns and I think the great thing that we have and probably what we need to work on more is actually spreading from people who've been at the Proms telling the story of people have experienced it to other people you don't need to be worried about going there and yes you can apply for between luminous if you feel so inclined there are the restrictions that you sometimes for the more formal environment.

Just go there and enjoy yourself.

I think you're just jealous.

Between Scylla and charybdis let you know the one and the charge of elitism and the programs aren't accessible and then you do something affecting aeclectic Pixar movie this year from hip-hop to then you keep coming down and I can't have you any doubt that you should be doing that affected the music that will cause I haven't because I know exactly where the Promise it's in the Proms you you said you're celebrating any was anniversary this year and he described it as the very best of classical music he mixed with it a few moments of popular music in his day popular Victorian song and today we do the same thing and I think we really need to hammer home the fact that of our 185 concerts.

10 maybe 11 or non classical music and what we do with those is wee wee program them very carefully to make sure the excellence of what we do is very high and if I may say one more thing about that one of the listener somebody somebody talked about you and all they do musicals.

We see you know we can hear that in the West End I promise you you cannot hear a musical the way that is performed by the John Wilson Orchestra Proms it's a totally different probably one of the best orchestras in the whole country play music that I think by go swimming and Jerome Kern it's very easily beside my sondheim etc suggested the gaming music is grain and should make an appearance.

Are you open to that? I think we're going to music when a developmental stage of Myra more more interesting poses are turning to this form and certainly wouldn't be at all surprised in future Seasons we do take the plunge into a gaming music from should you be doing more outside of the Royal Albert Hall what a 24-hour Road audience member brought up the series.

Proms out on the radar with friends from the same town and country Glasgow to Johnstone the car park in Peckham why not want to Manchester well you in Manchester has a BBC Orchestra if it's the BBC Philharmonic cooked 8-weeks of the summer there a BBC orchestras in Scotland and Wales also serving the public so I mean I would love to do more outside London I hope we will repeat things we've done in the past and moving outside London I think we also kind of hat acknowledge that the Albert Hall is part of the Proms as well.

It's a very special building cruesli for us.

It has 6000 seats and seats are filled and sold out and it's hard to think of another venue across the country that could serve the Proms quite, so what is the alcohol does and of course you know we talk about the program but you also want to look at the income absolutely and challenges.

I think it's an exciting one.

You know how can you keep the programme fresh exciting original daring and also feel houses in the proms at really give me good pleasure of the ones where we can put in the contempt.

Music which people have never heard before might be slightly friend about and then we put say the track course you have to take in the second half and it's sold out to an audience that probably if I'm honest game for the Tchaikovsky but actually I hope come away hearing a brilliant piece of contemporary music at the same time that sounds like Public Service Broadcasting giving people what they might not think they want to listen to The when they've heard it want us to do again.

That's what I hope that sort of the Holy Grail for me and you're so now trying to get to position where you have a 50/50 target by 2020 competitions by female composers because I heard somebody say again in that the best music you shouldn't be saying well.

Will judge whether it's by man or a woman.

So why you trying to hit this target knew quite close to it as it happens.

We are close to it, and I didn't think they need to be contradictions in excellence and asking women to write music for the bronze be honest with you.

Having excellent is absolutely that the borderline for us.

We would not ask any composer to write a piece of music for the problems.

We didn't think they were going to write the quality we wanted to.

The timer 2/55 set a timer to 5050 because I think it's made a great challenge for ourselves to go out and find and we are finding them in the future numbers so many brilliant women composers not just in this country, but abroad she deserves the music to be heard and then appreciate the last night and the Politics of the last night seems very strange thing.

You're always is always an argument.

They should allow flags of one sort or another their flag waving is part of the Last Night of the Proms and it's regrettable.

I think that people want to turn it into a political occasion, but actually those Mags armchairs political flags that flows from the nations of representing the music from the start of the service comes from and universities part of the atmosphere of the last night bring me a flag and waving at night really with one sense of what people bring my thanks to David Pickard director of the Proms which started on Friday and I will and away now back to our uncomfortable future if you have a favourite radio.

Listening to each week, we tend to be creatures of habit at least I am so we're asking to BBC Radio listeners to step out of their comfort zone and listen to a program that they wouldn't normally switch on this week.

We have Emma Taylor from Bristol and Dr Kevin Malone from Northampton to get an idea of your listing have it to me what would be your top 3 programs if you were stranded on a desert island? I'm not very adventurous made.

Do you always listen to Radio 4? I never miss today? I love the patch and The Untold I think it's really really lovely and I will listen to that Kevin would your favourite you have to listen to In Our Time more or less and Inside Science I get a lot out of all of those programs.

I will not this occasion interested in your views about the programs.

We actually love and we're asking you to listen to an episode of private passions Radio 3 which email of having listened to it, but normally perhaps you wouldn't switch on.

Is broadcast every Sunday at Midday and the episode we asked you to listen to was on Sunday the 14th of July Michael Barclay the house was talking to size presenter James Burke famous did the moon landings for the BBC 50 years ago? How would you describe the program to those who haven't listened to it.

Well, I suppose that I'd have to describe it as very similar to Desert Island Discs just with longer music and a slightly more leisurely feel music yes, which I really liked and do you like at North End of town discs? I hate to admit this but I might be a convert and I thought it was a really really lovely program and I enjoyed it so much before listening.

I thought Radio three old men talking to each other.

I'm not going to be interested at all and within the first two.

That's completely hooked and I'm definitely definitely convert and yes, I think I do prefer it.

Just Island Discs Kevin do just one listen.

I'm not sure if I yet prefer there was a locking it that was good.

I like the way that they were playing complete pieces of Music and indeed that both Michael Berkeley and James were giving pointers to the particular recording and what you really ought to be listening out to I liked that a lot.

I found that just as the coldest station got interest can you thought it was really going somewhere could stop for another bit of Music and I wanted to hear a bit more conversation, but that's just me caught on offly fast and you can always tell that from taxi drivers the language of taxi drivers in London changed over 4 years to include all kinds of scientific stuff and you knew I was getting through.

Can you think of an example during the Apollo things of course?

Saying things like mid course corrections, would you have not heard before and I think the audience jumped on science and technology rapidly because it is very important part of life then use of the years of person referred to as the White Heat of technology things were changing extremely rapidly and I think people began to the first time.

We become aware that charging technology was bringing change their life fast in institutions and I could handle acidic perhaps would say that if you put James Burke on a program whatever sort of pregnancy you guaranteed a good and fascinating program.

He is such a brilliant broadcast of course in the 50th anniversary of the space shot had so much to say about that but do you think that he dominated or were you impressed by the style of the presenter Michael Barclay I thought that my Barclay was a brilliant present right.

There was a real balance that she between the two of them and that it felt like a very natural conversation that you just happened to be eavesdropping on and I thought they they.

The best in each other, so yes, I think that they're relationship or the presenter interviewee relationship works really well.

I'm covering some people are in Michael Parker is very popular has been doing this for a long time but some people find his presentation style little old fashioned.

Did you to be honest? No, I'd agree with Jimmy it felt very much like a genuine conversation and they both got something to the table so from that point if you the conversation sections were quite fascinating.

I just felt the because of the need to play Texas of music in their entirety which I still think it's a good thing sometimes.

They got to a point in a question where they just had to let go I'm the one that springs to mind when they'd ask James Burke his feelings on how science presentation is changed when we got a beautiful description of how it works in his day.

But there just wasn't enough time to find out what you thought about the new stuff and I wanted more I wanted the rest of the conversation that how interesting it was yes, I completely agree and I myself skipping through the music to get to the next better conversation which I probably shouldn't admit to you, but yes I definitely agree with Kevin then you're out of your comfort zone alleged.

Are you now on it? Will you listen to this program again in future? Let me know.

Yes definitely I dabble in Desert Island Discs but I think that this private passions might have to I just thought it was a lovely format and as I said more Leslie and less fast-paced and I just loved it.

I'm going I think I'm going to watch the end.

I wasn't sure but then asked the last piece of music is finished, they announce the next guest someone I didn't know they said what they did for a living and I thought all

The interesting so I'll be there next time as well.

Just like him me and might be stirring a pot or something but very interesting.

I'm going to have another go all thanks to Kevin Malone and Jimmy Taylor that you'd like to take part in that feature or become part of our feedback panel.

Please do get in touch you can send an email to feedback at or write a letter to the address is feedback PO Box 67234 London se1p 4ax you can follow activity on Twitter by using as BBC R4 feedback or you can call us and leave a phone message on 03332004455 as you know standard landline charges apply, but it cost more on some mobile networks all those details are on our website and evening England celebrating their first Cricket World Cup to be seeing New Zealand in a dramatic final at Lords

Signs of tired after captain Irishman and with three more players who were born outside the UK the England cricket team won the World Cup having my tea Indian notes on the way to the final film did you cheer the former government minister Norman now Lord Tebbit Will Be Forever associated with his cricket test when back in 1990 he seemed to suggest that the loyalty of British Asians could be measured by whom they supported in international cricket matches almost 30 years later he stood by these remarks in a programme on Radio 4 called The Terror test broadcast just before the world cup final is the flavour of the program which was presented by Rajan data together with some of your comments.

Would you be supporting Pakistan

You feel weird about that not really because my parents came from Pakistan so I love England but he got to go back to your roots travel Rothwell terms if you come to the UK and want to be fully integrated then you should support all aspects of this country's activities that surely is the basic truth of the test and what tablet intended to illuminate even if it is over simplistic kept himself says he believes the cricket test may still be relevant today and I suspect he's probably right find ourselves in a war which side would you support?

That's an interesting question I mean that you're talking about sport which is a game.

We're not talking about in a wartime situation.

They are very different scenarios.

Sorry by the wholehearted commitment.

To renew home to the new nationality or not full hearted support Andrew mountsteven from Edinburgh I thought it was well presented with a good range of interviewees including of course Lord Tebbit himself what I have always disliked his brand of politics.

I appreciated the fact that he was listen to respect and allowed to state his case without being shouted down to have something that's heavy chest in the light of multiculturalism and the multiplicity of backgrounds and lifestyles the supply the glue for today's Society to sweeping and it leaves out another dimension the other dimension is it in a liberal Society and a multi-ethnic liberal Society people are allowed to express their multiple identities so supporting India against England

I don't think it's great, but I think it's fine well triggers make his producer willy out and present around and join me now write this was an awesome piece and you made up your mind about your views and stated earlier in the program and listen to Sue Newman makes this comment I really enjoy this program.

It seemed very very put together I can see what Normanton the saying that we should all back Great Britain and try and put in writing Japanese sympathy with Sue that was your back GB and try and fit in I do in the sense that I can understand the respective ibis loyalty, I think this comes out in the program.

There is an inner conflict and supporting allegiances a complex when you have a certain cultural background like I do and I think the whole issue of national prize worthy of a big national conversation if you like fitting in to me doesn't mean we all have one monolithic view of of anything to do with this country and I suppose one of the dangers.

If you know if you don't fit in then you can go somewhere else is the implication of Susan Christian from the world has something about your role and about the balance of the argument in the program.

I felt the presenter seem to have trouble sides of the argument in contrast the people interviewed expressed engagingly how it feels to live in the UK but still have to travel agencies to another country left mixed origins get another insight into something every thought about it before but probably someone that's why I like Radio 4 so much didn't you were too personally engaged you had your mind made up before you started and I think part of the point of this program was that this was a journey for me to examine why I felt like I did this is goes back to me as a child and possibly a child of my generation and it's only a personal examination of a conflict inside of me.

This is a personal story of personal journey, as I say, it's not a Cesarean BBC news report where you have the kind of equal sides on both lots of the oven.

Are you worried about your presenter declaring his hands, so early.

I'm in the programme was called a personal view.

What does that mean? Does it mean that they don't have to balance the program you can say what they think and found evidence to support their views know you're right.

It was commissioned as and build at the top and come to meet announcement as a personal take on it and you'll find lots programs like this on Radio 4 wave author piece where someone with a particular interest in an issue will look at it from a very personal point of view know that I think you listen to the program very very very broad beans that if you look at all the people who had that so we had Lord Tebbit we had a good time.

We had Trevor Phillips we had a poo.

Person who used to fail the test and not very personal and nothing is changing across the board as a very broad View broad range of used at an interview we didn't hear from caps and ordering what middle-aged white male who is hurt will go to a match to support England and next to the people who have been born here from British Asian background or maybe live for 40 years and then every other side.

How do you feel genuinely or she feels generally hurt by that he did acknowledge that in the present if you could find me someone who displays you because we did talk to people in a lot of people in the bands a white middle-class people.

He said this is great.

We just heard enjoyment we don't care who you say you don't seem to this sense of Hurt exist because I mean I don't want to be with us some suggested the appreciated the program, but they see perhaps there is another cider a worry for example but in a multicultural society where as in the past perhaps we have sufficiently.

You don't understand other cultures now.

Where's the glue? That's going to hold ourselves our country are United Kingdom together and some people support the national team.

That's one of the ways of doing it but we talking about sport it and I know that sport is a reflection of their identity to a degree which have seen the NHS does something similar and I think this is kind of what we were saying and I think I'm rushing you know that is he support you support Carlisle why do you support Carlisle what I need is you can appreciate other captures you can appreciate other teams but there is a sense in which we all want to be reassured that we have something in common.

Of course we have credit in conduit.

Can't you understand the word establishments you say around town.

Please? Just support the country were born in please just support the country that you've lived in for a long time then.

There are two to three points of the first one is that during my childhood? I didn't always feel.

Didn't buy this very country that that im supposed to be supporting and secondly you talk about glue and past the glue of this country.

I would argue is it torrent of different viewpoints of having a plural of standpoints and attitudes towards things so I think that's important and I think we should celebrate that our thanks to Roger and data and his producer will Yates and that's all from this edition of feedback in the week that overflow with programme celebrating the 50th anniversary of the first moon landing the last time man was on the Moon was 47 years ago in 1972.

How before man or woman goes back and why goodbye?

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