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the radiated a program with broadcast bionics discover the world leading brands at radio we are at something else Productions in fashionable, Shoreditch or is it Hoxton anyway delighted to be wherever we are and thanks to Steve Ackerman for welcoming Leo today round table for September I'm see you around the table Productions make programs for may need to and I will soon associate lecturer teaching audio writing out you'll be plugging the audio production Awards but not contacting production at we are great so we make a lot of kind of youth music and Culture programmes for people like BBC Radio 1 world service Spotify Red Bull and copper and

I did I met her for a long time.

This is the first time I've been back here since I left actually has it changed it doesn't look like a house but I'm sure yeah, it's very cool and I did yeah.

I love to hear and I currently work as an exact producer at BBC research and development and I also have a small penis down so we can talk to you about Alexa will come onto that I want to talk about some of the new shows of launched some of the many new radio station, but can I start with politics? I don't turn this into brexitcast but here we are recording the day before there might be a general election announced who knows I'm just wondering what you or make of the way that radio is covering some of the political stories which are around at the moment.

This is perhaps the most constitutionally important week of my life.

I can't remember anything that Compares apart from a with the middle of the 1970s.

Is radio any good at telling us what's going on? I think I listen to a really impressive interview this morning with Phillip Hammond on Today programme and I did have that moment to stop and tell my mum who is anything just to be quiet and that was really powerful and he's a motion was really powerful and I really bought into that and I thought this is really interesting and you're telling this is a new moment delivering.

It's really important message and you basically saying that you know you don't but the Tories and you feel they are people I come with the phrase that he used but their income as we talked about TV so what did he call Dominic Cummings it cold in an entry into the party who are doing damage and it felt this that I Could Be Alive moment that we only radio could give Anna podcast in that instance couldn't do that.

So if it was really exciting.

I would feel however other stations listen to lot to Five Live and the brexit barometer find I thought finding a bit tired and I

It's basically and it's often is once you have the opposite view his one of his opposite for you and it just feels quite hard work to listen because I don't feel like I'm I don't feel like I'm being galvanised in particular way.

I think one of the interesting things is how radio stations in love to have the politician on whether there is powerful as Hammond was this morning or not getting their own correspondent songs actually analyse and interpret it for us think that's possibly the success of brexitcast.

We don't really want the politicians on because we don't trust what they say, but we trust the experts related in that position now, so I'm going to take a slightly different be honest.

I don't listen to a lot of news on the radio.

I have to admit I think the way it's portrayed can be very intimate but I feel like a lot of the time.

I fall between different providers if that makes sense so the way that I would generally listen to news.

I quite like listen to the world service because I find a lot of the stations that Focus primarily on the UK are really really ill and I feel that they obviously at this moment in time perhaps.

It's good to me.

I'm looking but I just feel like they have a very kind of self involved in quite narcissistic view of the country and I think that I don't want to hear that.

I'd like most kind of prefer to hear much more of a worldview about it.

So impressed that not not that good to comment on this.

I'm very interested in that stop you though, cos I think you say might reflect a lot of young people's views which is we're always told that the BBC another news providers should get out of the Westminster bubble.

Maybe what we should do is get out of the UK but one thing where can you know if a terrorist attack happened in the UK you hear a huge amount about it if something with I can't even.

How much bigger death toll happens outside the UK it's just not reported on his match and it feels like should it be less important it because I thought it was a good example that we heard nothing but Christ Church for about and it just disappears and Mumbai and all those kind of issues and the world service is great.

Isn't it? Keeping you a bit more breast about what's going on outside of the UK as a whole so what happens when the news comes on on a radio station near you.

Do you just put your fingers in your ears? No, it's not the way I can see more data is more different so I don't have the Today programme on every morning because I've got three screaming children.

So I'm not adding more screaming voice isn't that because I go completely so a lot of audio that I listened to his much more On Demand so I listen to a podcast in the car on the Tube on the way to work.

So I think you don't consume as much news at all, and I think probably the way.

More is also fire like the LBC videos on Facebook and things like that so perhaps the way that I can see me is less radio driven and also wake up in the morning and often the Guardian website or the X or the sun I tried to kind of spread myself around a bit so I'm not just getting one of you.

Obviously being a classic media Lefty liberal.

I could spend my time on the Guardian I'm just getting fed what I want to hear and there's no point in that you were programming a radio station for young people.

Let's say you're about to be the new controller of radio 1 which knows you might well be really well, would you run the news at all? Just don't know why radio station is still have the news on the travel in the weather in all those traditional things was not about that recently.

I can't quite remember.

I think there's a big bass that means the BBC it's part of the

You have to say yes, I mean, it's really is really tricky.

I think it's important to know about the world, but I think increasingly people find out about the word indifference and it's not I think it's not just made things for my 19-year old sister-in-law and regularly to the Today programme Radio 4 and it might just be that she is far better educated.

So that's why and I don't but I think the point is that people can see you in different ways, so there's not kind of people won't listen to Radio 4 because they're you know 14 under but equally I think people picking a nice to eat this morning retweeted Sarah Sands the editor of the Today programme saying coming shortly on the Today programme Philip Hammond Justin Green long list of dead people and it was retweeted by somebody said thank you.

That's what I was listening to Radio 3 Today programme.

Yes, I am I'm a traditionalist I realised just how old do I have to other people talk about how they consume? I'm the daughter of a journalist I was brought up in the house literally waded through newspaper and he wasn't there very often use of doing exciting things but I still have those news on the app.

Sort of programmed into me so it's 1:00 news.

It's the Today programme Today programme very slowly and if I've missed the 10 oclock news on television which drives me mad, but I found myself watching that I absolutely listen to the midnight news in fact.

I think if I was to suggest that if you wanted a snapshot of the day the 6 p.m.

Bulletin already informed particular midnight one brilliant Roundup of what's actually happened that day.

You don't get a lot of analysis funny.

I would agree with you.

I do want to hear the politicians at the moment because it's on the record and increasingly as things get more and more fibre and more and more difficult I want to be reminded that.

A month ago was saying that they would not support you know the closure of Parliament they would not support a no-deal brexit and now this is where they are.

I think it's really important.

I think newspaper shuffle time I mean about management from the top down in a forest at night is not going to talk to anybody it seems to give everybody else can't branch that they're not going to talk either and then that democracy this is already have someone like Jacob rees-mogg doing his own program on LBC in and did you hear the clip from yesterday to doctor neurologist? I think was need help to write this thing called the yellowhammer project report which said that basically bad things would happen in the event of a no-deal brexit remoaner.

I'm off a midget or some such a muppet.

I think you did anyone here Eddie mares bit with Billy Joel

Yes, I thought that was completely brilliant.

What happened so all these people on and they went to a clip of Amber Rudd having said one thing outstanding somewhere else to sort of computer, but simply because I was just Eddy alone in the studio and then it went to Billy Joel behind them all the lyrics to which has helped me with something honesty and they're all these people as I said you said one thing I'm not doing something.

Lol so basically.

It's a travesty if you propose Parliament that would never happen, but never do this and then one by one of the sea, they will know that I can imagine that Eddie might appreciate if it's still being at the piano because he has that Navan bravery.

I'm not sure many other people do when they would have done mood for somebody at the BBC going you know you can't do that.

That's editorial.

One of the things I think so well.

I think there is still important to you personally at the moment.

I want politicians on is it? They are given time I mean watching the 10:00 news is really cut down in and then got vox pops somewhere with real people real people but then talk to them properly give them time really explored and how they're feeling although uncertainties, but these tiny little clip sending really really good journalist out to somewhere for something is going to turn into 30 and 40 seconds.

I just another waste of time.

It's the radio today round table for September we got Caroline Raphael Close drawer and Mickey birchmere.

Let's talk about the continuing extraordinary burgeoning of radio Services every time you turn around every time you look at the radiated a website.

There's yet 10 more stations occupying one niche or Another

The come to you because I've just think that it's your market-based the idea of more and more niche services.

Why is it happening and is it a good thing? I think more sister's always a good thing from my phone so I was thinking about 5:10.

Even five years ago and the market was basically BBC commercial radio stations and that was quickly as a producer and thinking clearly of kind of himself as one of your job prospects.

That was all there was to like I do this or indeed as well, but our clients with BBC and now not think about these stations, but think about audio as a whole like it's incredible.

It's so good for the industry.

What a position to be in in terms of the kind of world of podcasts in the world of a world so for me.

I think the more the merrier to be honest.

I don't know if that's going to be a nice view but to me that feels like the more choice that you give the listeners the better basically.

Are you attracted by?

Them yourself they just seem to be a growing niche business.

You know you wonder if the next launch is going to be You Know Radio Grateful Dead or radio at Stevens or something.

I mean it works for me because I am quite an odd.

I can't remember what the name of my generation is what kind of a really small one in between like the baby boomers and millennials remember anyway.

It's sort of a 3-year generation, but there's nothing in the mainstream that caters for me.

There's like ilovefriday one.

It's a massive transfers to Radio One I'm too old for Radio 1.

I'm too young for Radio 2 because I tune in and it's you know.

I'm not there yet though to hate to hear you say that they are now making programs for you.

Music both I would say so I think like a love Zoe she's too cheery for me at that time in the morning like it.

I'm sure it works for a lot of people it doesn't for me on musically.

It's it doesn't quite work for me, but I think the nearest stations work pretty well for me.

So like one that I would listen to his history which has been around for a while, but it's kind of a good example because it's the sort of music that I was talking to you and I still like it and it's not really catered to and kind of mainstream Anna and I kind of almost love to have music like that but with more presentation currency with a lot of those stations.

There's not the kind of you know there's not the resources that kind of have a really in-depth presenting you got a live Breakfast Show as though that's a big thing scholar has decided to go you know full on full service.

You like radio to have better music for me because it always feels like rambling on about myself, but maybe it's something I've always felt that's where these new stations do offer things for people like me because it is more choice particularly, No 6 Music brilliant is not the music.

I'm into it so I feel like it's always been very focused me like you're not that you must like this looks like we'll know so for me personally as a consumer.

It's a great thing because it means that there's a lot more choice for me.

It was more he said hang the dj.

Because the music they constantly play says nothing to me about my life.

Isn't it? It is the music they play That Matter Caroline's point about Radio 2 that there is beginning to be a little bit of a mismatch.

Is anyone from Little Mix but then hello, I'm Ken Bruce and I'm even though loving god.

I mean they've got a really difficult task that I think any station has an age range that why it has a really difficult task and many of these stations do so I'm afraid for me.

I still go back to my CDs but I go back to Spotify and I make my own playlist and if I want the 70s I want my 70s not theirs or the 18th of the 9th is because actually I think this definition of Generations and music with my son he's now and he's very early 30s but through the early days of things like one of those one of those station station to be listening to online constantly gave him a virus computer Napster dabster whatever it was listening to music.

Genres across world music listen to French ballads from the 1930s and something by bad that I never heard of from now and I think that I don't need god.

I don't feel as if I need music radio stations.

I don't listen to music radio stations anymore.

I use Spotify and I use my CD collection still that's why I get my music from ok.

I will disagree.

I think I also love love love music but feel like I have less time to discover music and whilst music Discovery services like Spotify to offer lots there, but I think there's definitely a room for music radio whether that's an online radio station like worldwide FM or NPR NPR NPR NPR straight lines CSR you know there's a kind of good kind of Music Products but also lots of people don't have the time and they don't.

I just want to turn something on and I just want to be entertained.

I think you know heart 70s heart 90s that's fantastic.

Because it gives people their kind of what they want easily without having to explore not everybody the time will the information to explore and they want to be entertained anyone have a travel anyone at all those sorts of things valuable.

You need a bit of exploration to find all the stations now.

Don't you? You know if you've got a DAB radio might not get DAB plus and it might not be in your on your car.

It's getting almost as complicated as 103.7 and all those odd numbers.

Is you know and actually I am literally nicely into the next.

I'm longing for the day when you have a very good voice control in the car.

You can just say whatever I want to listen to that after this commercial message which is not from Napster or indeed from LimeWire studio watching.

Learning from every spoken word Kolo sweet and SMS for a mix unlock content studio transforms everything about radio except the way you which the September round table from radiotoday Caroline Rafael Chloe Nicky birch and me Trevor down Nicky you trails which is about voice recognition and all that modern stuff.

Would you working or are you still working radio? Does it show it does but now you've dropped in from the future.




I am what's it like out there in the world of the future is really exciting actually.

There's loads of really interesting work being done by people in the world exploring the future of audio and how we're going to consume an access our content in the future.

It's brilliant and the BBC is I mean without sort of ringing the bell.

I'm being employed by the moment but

I only recently I have already starting to drip feed some of what they doing publicly so the first press release went out last week about the fact that they are creating a voice assistant could be taken from it, but what they're doing is in order.

I think the reason why they had to release the press releases because they have asked a number of BBC staff to record their voice saying hey babe from all around so it recognises accents more and the UK and that is so it recognises the accents of the wake word which is a be like you might say hey Google Siri Alexa hope you have them all on right now, but this is just one aspect of what it will do and it's going to be it's going to be really interesting a public.

Voice assistant and just be clear.

It's not hard where there's not a BBC is not creating a little box that is going to sit in people's living room alongside other devices everybody which is actually says hey filling them here.

Give me Radio 4 or give me classic chill that will give me Magic FM all I mean I do it's it's my default way of getting on the radio now.

It's just walk into the room ago a thing give me thing the black studio room that we're in Chloe and and Caroline of shaking their heads, but I think it's if you have a device you may use it if you don't you won't but they have replaced radio station radios in the last few years and I think the BBC's doing is it it's looking beyond those devices because we should be able to say to a computer to our phone to anyway we are.

Sounds all iPlayer anything like that turn it on the TV turn it over so it's just if you think it's just another form of control of how I can access my content.

Can I play me Zoe Ball breakfast you could say Chloe if you were going to start listening to her.

You know it's just the way if you think about it away and access you do that then you're more than I can see why you would not want your children to be able to say hey Alexa send me 12 boxes of Coco Pops but why wouldn't you have one in the kitchen? It's just never it's not a stage.

We've got the two sponsorship of the end.



No, I think it's just not and I've not I think it might have always thought that too expensive but I've never looked at how much they cost 20% of UK adults say they now have them so it is quite significant and if you think also I'd say probably 19 + percent have a phone which has a voice assistant on.

So we all do have access and it's up to us to decide whether we want to use them in that way and I'm not suggesting people should go out and buy these devices.

I'm just saying that the BBC is looking at it as one way of interacting with our content and it being far better.

I would argue that there's a public service body behind that I in terms of looking after our data and understanding how to use the trust in public service.

I'd hope it's better than it might be if for some of the other platform providers and I think that's why it's important to be receiving this babe.

I ask you something that keeps the Google's in the Amazon devices.

Don't recognise original voices or certain say what you do, then do about class and I think this is this something has been picked up by the slightly wrong way.

I think this is about that recognises reason of this is because it will need to in order for us to for everybody to understand.

Sorry in order for the BBC's voice assistant to understand hey babe in the

It's not suggesting that Amazon or Google do or don't I don't think it's saying that is just one factor that it needs to progress in order for it to work so we need to have a wide range of glass polish in a Northern Irish accent it understand otherwise it won't work it has to work with the BBC have to work for everyone to get the BBC streaming off TuneIn isn't it that I think is one outcome that is going to happen.

Yeah, there won't be a boxer.

I won't have any of these things in my house.

I don't trust him at the moment.

I don't want my Wi-fi going around my living together.

I breathe and I don't trust them from a data point of view and use Wi-Fi actually in the stuff going on for me.

If this is still be channeled is simply a kind of something an app within something that is owned by Amazon or by Google is there early so but they're not going to produce any hardware.

That's a bit.

Turn on 30th at the moment.

It will be allowed the aim as I understand it is that you can access the voice assistant on other platforms ok? So it could be that it's Amazon whoever let them right.

There's a bit of indigo station to be done but it could be that it's in your car.

It could be it's on your lap.

It could be it's on your Sounds app.

It's just a way of accessing BBC content in anyway in any way that you might access content so I think it's very difficult people to conceive but that is a box anymore the voice assistant is an amorphous cloud like person not be that hopefully will exist in as many places as possible to enable the BBC to be heard your content that you make and you know that we all make and create to be heading to be accessed as many places and also ideally a lot more beyond that as well.

So I think you know this.

Hope that's all.

But there's lots of other opportunities and ideas that they can thinking about as well.

We need to get on with hearing what you been listening to but you've got 30 seconds to plug the audio production Awards Caroline production Awards you can now enter you gone to the audio production award website or the entry regulations and qualifications.

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It was great to see and so we went over to Paris with copper and they had a big kind of Clubhouse over there and we do the Daily podcast.

From a kind of scale point of view it was an amazing thing to do we had to kind of build a studio and everything like that and just worked really well.

It was with monkey who used to be on Radio 1 and with Heath there a new pair of presenters who kind of work together.

It was great working with them and just brilliant topics really well worth a listen to come back and show what is that? Yes, we know you don't but this is the one thing that you need to know go until they do us a one would you say is R Us is when they are winnings or fire.

What came first in this was it the sponsor was it the presenters was the idea and I was still on maternity leave when this happened but from what I understand.

It's all it's generally a little bit of everything so I think the team at Grape and had the idea for doing a football podcast and for the moment so it makes sense to do something like that.

We know monkey really well, so we've worked with her a lot over the years and she has their relationship has a relationship with copper.

I think we were I think and I'm not sure but I think we're kind of discussing the idea of monkey of doing the podcast as well and I think it's basically all came together like that.

So I think that answer your question.

Is it varies by different key to the George the Poet podcast and I listen to it.

Because I kind of wanted to add some time by myself and I thought this would be very reflective very emotional podcast and it was all the wards at the podcast award and I am still completely amazed by if you haven't heard it you must and then yesterday.

I listen to an interview with him on the ft cultural podcast which is presented by leader raptopoulos and the Murray Brown one in America and one in the UK and it was there that he did the interview with him and it's just such a good interview that I just thought I'd let you know share it if you listen to George the Poet podcast listen to because he took he talks about this of death of two people on his estate and how that moved him, but he also talks about how he knows there will be more and he talks about and it had that feeling is but then and then he talks a lot about life after winning all these awards and how the challenges of kind of not pandering towards the intelligentsia.

You know people are saying.

Intelligent sorry, but like basically you know the middle classes listening and enjoy your wonderful Georgie should be on this this and this and him thinking I still got a thing I want to represent the people on my Estate because these people are still done and I want to go to speak to their community and then and not there so the podcast community and how are my everything? I'm doing now.

I really need to think hard about how maintaining my audience and he talked about being stopped and searched the day after he and read a poem the royal wedding you know and chaos in his life and that kind of and the contradictions and it's really fantastic interview that encourage me to do was stay in my room and write poetry which wasn't such a bad thing I remember posting my first time online.

It was our descent is a tyres are run and someone a well-meaning white girl in my college.

I put this on YouTube the first time I put up on YouTube she probably to one side and she said that's all.

Is there a game a lot to think about I think however you are in danger of feeding into very destructive narratives for your community and what you trying to say is there a lot of people that will use you as an excuse to discredit and turn their back on and reject the experience and the trauma of your community this was the first time.

I'd ever couldn't go out with white people that is the first time this was presented to me.

I was used to performing too young black males who knew exactly what I was talking about.

How did he feel when she said that to you first reaction was defensive I was just saying you just don't understand but she really meant well.

I mean she might have meant well.

That's also.

Why is it on you so why is it on neither but this is an unfair world and the reality is that it is on me.

I really need to demonstrate to the creators from a demographic from a community that.

Different ways that we can package our story that mean that we don't have to mindlessly Panda to market forces that might encourage us or no.

Just down familiar easyterra lazy commentary on the nature of our struggles that just rehashed arguments that were established in the 1990s from the first pioneers of hip hop some saying to my real contemporary.

We not only have the option and the opportunity to get really creative about a story we have the responsibility and it is not fair, but life is not fair is George the Poet Costa vft from you.

I'm going to talk about audio books audiobooks first of all the boxes were that was used by the publishers and by the commercial audio books.

I think it's really interesting.

I think it says something about the importance of audiobooks nowadays in our culture that the BBC and in.

Have now appropriated the word audiobook, which they would never done before readings.

They were called they were readings absolutely a lot of them.

They were wonderful but it's interesting that they are now have this kind of category of audio book on top of that they have just released probably about 7 or 8 full length unabridged audio books of classic novels to Guinness really interesting day one of them started listening to it.

So probably good reading nicely produced as you would expect that long ago, but the BBC Trust wouldn't allow the BBC to do a bridge on a bridge books because it might have affected the commercial market and we weren't supposed to go there you go onto audible over 20 off and brilliant recordings of Jane Eyre with people like Candy you can and do you get Stephenson who is like the queen of audiobooks, so I think it's really interesting but radio Broadcasting

Is and he's been allowed to go straight for that commercial market? I'm sorry the other reason for raising it is in the end.

There are only so many hours we can listen with only so many pairs of your ears and we no going back to the discussion about voice assisted technology that audiobooks extremely popular on there, but I think audio books if they aren't already will start giving radio a run for it's money would choose to have the audiobook playing while you're cooking instead of a radio station but to brilliant I would recommend Queenie which is read by Siobhan marks, which is the best seller so wonderful book and also inheritance which is written by Jenny Eclair which is a gorgeous Saga with deep travelling family stories and and and humans he would expect together with Jenny also reads the arms and gave away from her skirt embarrassing someone the waitress presumably.

Has the baby ankles and she feels a sudden chilliness as they hold her up the shaded stone steps towards the house so she's not completely out of it.

She deduces can still smell the intense sweetness from the honeysuckle that clings to the grave stone wall hear the Crunch of footsteps on the gravel drive.

The waitress is gripping bells puffy ankles with see-through half open eyes that she is a pretty girl with tattoos that probably made her mother cry dragons and geisha girls run Riot around Derby Arms this is ridiculous things the poor girl was hired to carry large white plates of intricate canopies chicken mousse on tiniest pumpernickel topped with dill in a sliver of Cornish on not quite heavy middle-aged mountains around perhaps tattoo girl will make a bottle of fizz to make up for it later.

Difficult bottles cooling in plastic bins all over the place look at you wanted to say something about audiobook the summer listening to audiobooks to and I'm really I'm I found it.

Just wonderful wonderful release and if anyone who hasn't read yet normal people by Sally Rooney the audiobook who has been read by Arriva man is just amazing and I really recommend it stop your journey and listen to awkward teenage sex scenes moment absolutely fantastic and I did I totally with you and I think they're wonderful.

I'm going to have one as well.

Which is the BBC version of Tom perdu by Marcel Proust bloke and I've tried as many people of my age have over the years to read it never got anywhere near the end, but I have got to the end of the audiobook and now I know what it's about because they did the resolution of the

Kissing park 10 and I feel happy when I feel the past we form and actualize it still giving me from moment.

It's value is a term.

This is what I want everyone feels it I would describe people not according to their bodies but According today years for example.

You see two men walking down the street.

They both have black mustaches, but one man 20 years older than the other one.

This is what we see that one man has had 20 years added on him.

So that if we occupy a small amount of space our bodies occupiers huge amount of time without life and this is what we ended up carrying with us, so that's what it's a baby.

I need to listen to it now.

Is a podcast by or on NPR cold, but why so little kids you can imagine exactly what it's about so you get there? Why is that? Why is that? Why is that simple but absolutely brilliant idea? It's one of those ideas right damn.

I wish I'd come up with that one so a couple of topics that they covered recently.

How is paper made? What do mosquitoes do in all those wonderful questions and my kids who are 64 and 1 will sit and very happily listen to it half an hour.

It's a lovely thing to do for half an hour.

So it's lovely things to do at the end of the day.

I think it's interesting as well as the US Embassy has a much bigger podcast market at the moment in the UK and a lot of the kids because we listen to Our us one so there's one called story pirates as well.

I'm on call circle round.

They're lovely but I would love for UK podcast for kids cos it's just you know it's nice to to hear things and kind of different accent.

This is why podcast for kids this week's questions about something we all the time.

My name is Elisa from morgantown, West Virginia and I'm 6 is my question is where these people from my name is Mason I'm 6 years old I live in Auckland New Zealand and my Christmas how is paper made.

Thank you my goodness a lot of you want to know how you got it most of the paper you probably see everyday newspaper construction paper.

White paper that you use in school even art paper for projects at home or in our class is Made in really big paper factory interesting that your kids will listen to podcast and there's not much exactly as you said in the UK there's fun kids and making the rounds on which very good very good, but there a market that good BBC Caroline in your day if I may say so used to do a lot of children as well.

I help set up and then dismantle the Old Radio 5 which was for small children children and teenagers to work on the age group and it was dismantled to make wave 4 5 Live and rolling back because it's now on Demand so you can sit down and say you work for penguin random house helping can grow their audiobook.

Stuffed I left the babe and a lot it was for children and they were extremely popular and we did a big promotion and a research project with Mumsnet and of course it gets away from the screen buying her a little device voice activated device get an audible account and you know I mean I know it's true.

I'll message but you know I mean it is incredible and listening to the colouring in and that's it.

We've got I've got audible on my phone actually is very listen to it in the car long journey is a find it a lot of the Julia Donaldson books for the favourite at the moment.

He's a man of the bass Nicki got another choice from you represent something that I have made because actually a bit embarrassing is Mahal came on a podcast that we did a couple of years ago.

One of these roundtables and he also talked about this podcast but I'm going to mention it again so I in my spare time I produce a podcast called backlisted which is.

AbeBooks podcast sponsor by unbound with John mitchinson and Andy Miller presenter and it's about kind of bringing old books to life and the reason I really wanted to say is it yesterday we released our episode and it nice to coincide with the million listeners, which which but thank you very much bloody great.

It's great.

It's really great episode that we put out.

Yes, it is the Philip Pullman talking about a 16th century 17th century book called The anatomy of melancholy which is I mean wonderful and it sounds like that be far too heavy weight, but it just beautiful is talking about depression and how we wrote about depression in the 17th century and then interview and it turns out it it really beautiful Philip Pullman went to his house to record.

It is wonderful and he goes on about his Love of Amy Winehouse and you know it's really a wonderful listen.

It's very somber but it also you don't need to read.

I think most people will never read this book.

It's you know 1500 pages you know but the program is very beautiful and I really want to say well done to the team and nobody ever says can I have to hurry you or briefly if you can or it's just kind of you know keep going and if it takes a little while to get interesting will stay with you till you do and also the enthusiasm the whole thing is you know we are going to be enthusiastic about books week other people can critique them.

You know we're not gonna lay into it and be negative.

It's very easy to be negative, but when you hear people going on about how exciting and wonderful something is you go and purchase and there's there's an is loving this piles of books in people's houses all around the country around the world that been bought specifically because of this program.

I think it's something to be attended to read this year.

But not universally by those who have Reddit hailed as a great work.

Not many people have read it because it's so big.

Do you think it is the size or do you think people are just kind of that they find the whole idea of a book about maybe melancholy.

It's not clear to modern readers.

What melancholy is melancholy mean sad now.

Yes, it's not a great one of the humours of ancient and mediaeval medicine and the idea that the body is governed by what they were there was there was blood there was Collier that's yeah.

That's the kind of temperament yellow bile yellow bile as well and one more people have got it phlegm.

Yourself better if you're ill.

Just before we go.

I really like your views on this which your BBC licence fee has paid for steak Radio podcasts podcast hi guys.

It's the GC and basically.

Oh my god, what a day it's been so I woke up and basically adds breathed on me and his breath smelled so bad.

I was actually sick not being horrible, but I do I'm not blaming all because we absolutely I've been laughing our heads off about it all day, but literally I woke up and he breathed and said good morning and I started to wretch.

Literally, I just spewed all over his bedroom, but this is like 6 a.m.

In the morning probably just wanted to say I ok hands up.

I watch all of love Island like this and I listen to the more I listen to The Love Island cast of the Gemma Collins it for love and I don't know what's wrong.

But once you you bought into these people and you just want more and I think you know it's quite funny.

I laughed her she was so she's from TOWIE so wish I did watch I don't anymore but I used to I mean it's entertaining isn't it? And that's one of the jobs of the BBC is to entertain and I think that you know the BBC's recently got into the podcast market a lot more and I think there is good for the gunning for it.

You know you've got to give it to them that they're giving it a good a good source of guys though.

Myself, I don't think that the BBC licence is about market failure.

I doing what nobody else can do or can afford to do this feels like a bandwagon being followed my favourite phrase is if you can see the bandwagon.

It's already past so yes, I do possibly for the Radio 1 audience.

I don't know whether she's on Radio 1 or whether it's just completely separate podcast I can see how could be quite entertaining person got better things to do my time to be absolutely honest.

I don't worry about it, but that's only because I'm trying I personally I'm saying program budgets being cut for different types of programs in order to what I genuinely believed that the market could make quite happily and get really good advertising for so why not let them do it was a bit like something from the Today programme.

Did you notice if we had on the one hand and then we did it on the other?

It's the BBC that needs to do this, but I'm glad it's happy.

I'm glad that they say audio is able to be funny in to be light-hearted and to be really just be kind of reflective and you know for so many years we were just it was just so tame an uptight when actually the conversation that we were having a real life were about spewing up on your bed and about somebody farting and you know me with that we used to have a phrase.

I probably shouldn't say that but when when I was part of the team that will reshaping Radio 4 on and we were listening to what had gone before which to be fair quite like that have been making for we have I think wasn't me came up with this phrase radio Timothy as a way of describing what we were trying not to do that.

Yes, I completely agree with you on that kind of conversations that you know on the bus and you really don't want to get up and get off the bus because there's some extraordinary use your phone call actually but I'm not sure whether it's like weather licence.

Thank you Caroline Raphael thank you Chloe straw.

Birch, thank you girl who drove the show and to see if I come in and everybody is something else for hosting is this has been the round table for September I've been Trevor Dann next voice you hear will be that of Stuart Clarkson yes, thank you very much Trevor it is indeed and still to come on This podcast this week David Lloyd's radio moments James cridland and just a second at the festival that next week on the radio Today programme a legend from the 80s and 90s and that he's back on the air as well with radio 2 now.

It's Gary Davies still be talking to me for next week's Today programme to join us for that.

I'm James Corden the radio futurologist something called BBC notes was posted on the BBC R&D blog the other week.

It's all web app that shows text images and links to enhance the listening experience during live events live broadcast and On Demand these types of things appearing is a podcast app which is trying to do much the same.

You listen to serial then, you'll see the places that they're talking about for example the podcast movement I saw the adoree platform which does much the same kind of thing and it is and of course the first time in fifteen years ago.

I was playing with Nokia visual radio and is also DAB slideshow method of adding images to broadcast in countries that have enough bandwidth issues.

I think with all of these types of services first.

Is it a rich enough experience does it bad to the user's enjoyment of the audio? Would it hold their attention or offer interesting plants of all content? Is it easy to produce quick visuals at scale and ideally automated and if it is does it fulfill that first requirement but it's good enough and third does it enough value to fundamentally change the user's experience with audio content.

I mean if the benefit of audio.

Is that you can enjoy while you're driving or walking the dog or writing a script for a podcast.

Is this a benefit that we should be making the most on and not diluting with visuals and some people doing this really well radio 538 in the Netherlands play some music videos and has a full TV like Xperia to get in the way of the audio, but when it's static images that demand interaction that seems less exciting to me so perhaps we should play to our strengths because otherwise in this most rarest of cases video might kill the Radio Star you can get my weekly newsletter James Dr Atlanta and Daily Podcast music until next time keep an eye on the radio Today programme David Lloyd the hard brand has recently been flexed to provide more search for that brand started from West Midlands Beginnings this week 25 years ago.

You're listening to test transmissions from

FM station for Warwickshire on the West Midlands due to start broadcasting at 7 a.m.

On September 6th if you like music first thing in the morning Breakfast Show with Nick Wright keep you up-to-date with all the news and travel information that you need it was agreed that it was a great company the station was in a market.

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I got a chance to come and start Sandy from the Ground Up that was fantastic.

It was a great opportunity to build something from scratch program of Phil Riley reflecting on the birth of heart this week in 1994 and with the London station launched a year later arguably the start of true commercial radio branch of The Originals began this week in 1994 Jazz FM and across in the Northeast good morning.

This is John Morgan on Thursday the 1st of September at 7 a.m.

And A Star Is Born and luckily when you see things in retrospect at the start of the station at 8 in the morning things went ok, but by 5 the computer has packed up an hour to our new programme couldn't because nothing would work so we had to play music which was well against our format and I remember going on are singing Always Look on the Bright Side of Life Happy Days member sleepless nights the birth of the century brand with the Legendary John Myers this week 25 years ago.

It was to be the first of three century operations providing their mix of music chat and annotation of course in the northeast with later real now.

It's hard 1979 now and a new voice for the BBC Top 40, but I think it's one week.

16 on the way up this week this week in 1979 and that of course you say borrow Radio 2 FM frequencies and welcome to this evening and stereo on VHF it wasn't until this week in 1981 had its official FM switch-on day switch on in the Midlands in the London area in listening to Radio on in brilliant areas.

At 8 in the morning when the little help from the radio of the future 5% of the country's population of the Pops on the telly and he has been around for an awful long time, but I think that will be a greater stereo awareness because just talking to people on the phone this morning.

I've been say at last we've been waiting for this for so long.

You know when will radio and FM so I think perhaps while it's still a bit of a novelty for everyone to be fm.

They will be also a little bit happening left.

Item and all lights to change side if we were very clever rear one discovering FM stereo at last 31 years ago the broadcasting Legend David Jacobs hopes that his first Pick of the Pops this week in 1956 back, then it was on a Wednesday night.

Hello there once again welcome to music Together We welcome in the first time for the new thread containing four songs from Ireland Parade during the best of Us proper this week, so that's been the title song David Jacobs Pick of the Pops skint this week in 1956 and this week 57 years later.

He died.

Just weeks after this last show bringing this week's connection to aquarius.

At the same time next week, so I'm sober or whenever I'm half of my producer and Android it's goodnight from me Steven Jenkins David Jacobs who died this week in 2013 those voices half a century apart this week last year a dramatic one in radio circles and he get to the top of your favourite Mount can you just say then you become a mountain Observer and I need to keep climbing.

I got to keep climbing so I'm going to go go again.

That's why I'm going to go go and go again and a good start up on a brand new adventure and I've loved you every second every second and Chris Evans has just announced that he is leaving Radio 2 presenter the stations Breakfast Show for 8 years and Chris Evans is packing it in packing in Radio 2 at any radio live on it.

Yes at this news is you'll never beat any day of the week.

It's is Europe's biggest radio programme.

He's is the biggest audience audience in Europe I've spoken to studio managers their Talent on the program as they are known but you know there's some of them a good and no one saw it coming and we don't know why well he I met him last month and for the New Year with BBC Radio Bristol making its debut 49 years ago people will listen with appreciation to recording is opening day and say was real interest well.

That's how it all began the original LBC losing its licence 26 years ago the decision was made at the meeting at the radiotherapy yesterday, but wasn't it?

This morning the authority isn't obliged to give a reason for deciding LBC shouldn't keep broadcasting on its two frequencies LBC chairman Dame Shirley Porter who took over earlier this year is shocked and saddened.

She says London will be the loser Dimbleby any questions 32 years ago welcome to the wash common Community Centre on the outskirts of the town of new Atlantic 252 launching on long wave 30 years ago is the place to be Today programme?

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