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Hello and welcome to the media podcast I'm Jake cancer on today's show is all change at the top of the sun was repercussions for the Sunday title and the time that plus x radio that's happening Disney plus reveals impressive numbers and so do the national radio station and in the media quiz we cover the trends of yesteryear returning to our screens.
It's all come in today's Media podcast thank you.
Very good to see you again a quick tour of your Twitter suggest that you had an interest in publishing increasing their audience by reducing the amount of content but they produce I noted that I'm in the garden instead of their stories by third because if you ask me I'm reading actually more of it and I'm finding the daily Editions almost as challenge.
Sunday newspapers that have passed me by that was why I treated them is more and more isn't it actually what it is that the things that really interest people are read properly discarded and so there's a certain sort of interest in owning down and agenda and that is also being supported by what they can I do with just look at the operations and accurate feedback also joining us is a broadcast consultant and the host of radio days Europe 2020 is Paul Robinson hi good.
Good busy collecting air Miles with jet setting this week.
I've actually the market is really happening up until they're investing very in co-production and putting very sick and tax incentives in place so Russia and America next week.
So that gets the contract about your interview that you told us off my I could not possibly comment.
Ok, well will move on TV then it's all change at the top of the Sun newspaper as Tony Gallagher makes way for Victoria Newton Maggie what do we know Victoria well? What we know is that I could she has already edited the sun on this on Sunday she's a very respected leader of the people that the pushing to the Digital versions of the son and of course she's a woman which I think is very interesting but you can't really divorce from the changes that are taking place in x x newspapers as a whole because clearly they have been changed and they're really also related to a bigger issue, which is that in July news.
Got the go-ahead to actually use a fused and editing team or edit any way across the papers of the
Sunday Sunday in particular the Sunday Times and the times and so that's also resulted in the Martin ivens stepping down at times which some Emma Tucker the times she stopped up from being deputy editor and she has a lot of experience and in across-the-board really especially in digital and so they've been they are in the process of changing their operations and in fact cutting costs.
That's the real bottom line as well as well as becoming more digitally attuned pushing the multimedia storage at the mirror this week.
They're going 7-days a week subsuming Sunday Mirror in the people into the wider Newsroom have you seen the quick death of Sunday newspapers here you know you know what you're getting and I would miss that sort of fun on the doorstep.
The Sunday paper arrives at the sun is it continues to surprise me? I was very happy on January 31st when the headline is on the sun was all about all that that's the end of dry.
January Close very clever things I do appreciate that.
I don't actually like very much about what the Sunday Times they got this biodegradable and mindless gets jumped in front of my and this Sunday I had to drive out on my underfloor heating heated kitchen because it was done.
I couldn't completely soaked in some ways though.
I'm looking for a dissatisfied can't go back on the specs of this is that and women now.
I really coming very much for the phone Emma took it is a very formidable operator.
I have actually even written for her once.
I meant she's very.
Charming but she's tough she's got wide experience and she's a former Financial Times at training as well, so she's been a foreign correspondent she's been around and so she hasn't she can cover spacers to be honest but now we've got half of the national newspapers and already being run by the 80s.
Don't forget the News of the World at the Sunday Express but it's interesting that it's all sometimes change happens really fast and maybe it's too also is Rebekah Brooks who's in charge of news papers and she's clearly a woman is a x radio is going to be a thing with ambitions of travelling Radio 4 Stig Abell no stranger to This podcast is the launch director we're waiting for the call Stig what's the strategy here well, it's very interesting.
But I have to sort of question that because commercially it's very difficult to rival Radio 4.
I mean it's budget is about £72 a year and it invests in very expensive quality journalism drama and investigative journalism whole bunch of trans but actually are you know really strong public service contact grape variety very hard to make money on that says it's going to be a pinion LED programming which sounds a bit like it's similar to talk radio Radio 5 Live station isn't exactly I mean what's it going to be any rival Radio 4 you need to program in you need in a program has got a budgie has got researchers.
I got time you know and they can go away and do something meaningful.
So I'm not sure how you going to target and Sting that Radio 4 latest radio figures very strong with gain half a million listeners year on year so Radio 4 is still in you know very very robust health.
I guess if they get maybe.
10% of 20% a radio for a significant audience for them but they never going to in I think it's only the next 10 years I can't see radio for being over by any commercial operator but there's a difference isn't that they have got a lot of done this now who doing podcast and I actually quite reasonable but not I'm not saying the Radio 4 Today standard issue podcast the other thing is the previous attempts have not been very good and I won previous attempts Channel 4 tried to radio Consulting at 2 to actually fill up a home Multiplex as we know that the star of the show was supposed to be a sort of challenge to Radio 4 and set program to run if you need simply left the BBC to go and run it so you know.
Nobody's doing and he couldn't make it work and then we got back to the BBC as quickly as he could I mean they had to put it and it was it was decided in it was partly to be fair sacrifice because of downturn in 2008 and that the decision to put it actually arose from the clocks in advertising and the kind of sense of panic really that took place in September 2008 when they cut back staff and that was the first project.
I think it I think they lost 89 million pounds.
It's not a huge amount in terms of a bit in pain, but times have changed anything.
This is a huge endorsement for the health of commercial radio.
Isn't it sure it is if it works I mean what's more interesting frankly is if you look at the last year global have launched the whole series of brand extensions and they done amazingly.
I mean they've added 2 million listeners to the brand extensions which are basically just recut to the existing music so heart 90s.
Capital Xtra Reloaded smooth Radio chill heart 70s Smooth Radio country basically no presenters back-to-back music you know they are there actually beating Spotify by doing this that's how you make money in Commercial and I think it's going to be very very difficult to stay in the right investment to genuinely rival Radio 4.
They can do something with it, then I can have the same as Virgin Radio and do the sort of the sponsorship thing but I think it's going to be a rival to Radio 4 in the scale of Radio 4 ident think someone's really happened think it's that when you get back to the 90s when there was expansion of commercial radio new franchises the national commercial radio for the first time in all kind of went very slowly I remember a time when the BBC was really getting married and this phone running BBC Radio evening, so we don't want this quarterly raise your figures telling us about audiences that again.
And then it all kind of went wrong and partly I think because then radio authority was chucking everything up until it says the individual stations couldn't make enough money and so therefore they know something but still they merge and consolidated and they almost Awards top 40 cos top 40 is what makes the most money so you know all the specialist stations funded commercially never happen because the advertising model doesn't support around with so many times before it's sort of finally can go as we know it's been a tragic story recently the suddenly everything is going very right above digital radio and commercial radio after her all sorts of changes some good some bad, but have taken place but there's certainly more choice and I see that the Times move actually more in the direction of we are establishing ourselves as whatever you want to call it a media.
Serious which can take politics from seriously we do a lot of foreign affairs they still do that.
It's a very very good paper in my opinion and even you know it's so popular is because people may be going to the gym that cycling you know they want to hear things as they go along as well as may be reading a screen and I think that it is another opportunity to get your you like your journalism and your views but well-founded well.
I give you across to people and I I think we are we seen radio really changed in the past eight one last thought on this fall when when the radio published next year.
What do I get to get 300000 listeners weekly reach 200000 will hold you to that ok so changing.
We're going to talk Disney plus the service declared its first subscriber numbers and they are good Paul how good well very good.
I mean just under 13 million which is amazing now.
They've done very smart things they've done a deal with Verizon in the US of a bundle the Disney service with Verizon subscribers there in the process of doing a deal here in the UK with Sky so Disney plasters going to sit on the Sky Q box box alongside Netflix and they really been pushing it.
I think it's a very impressive number.
They were very smart.
They did set a low retail price for your Netflix is such a brand of the price fix that you can't really charge more than Netflix and that sort of the BBC's problem sorted out later, but Disney went for a lower price in a very strong offer the great catalogue really used all of their outreach.
You know to the market it so it's a respectable number cos they were always going to be compared with Netflix and we don't be compared.
Yeah, I don't compare with.
20-minute Netflix but people will and 30 million in the first few months is a very respectable number for the challenge.
I think it's going to be whether they can grow it because all keep that 30 going to think they won't be much turn the hall and the reason I say that is the Secret Weapon in Sherborne is kids content that's the thing that stops people turning on Netflix Amazon apple investing kids because no one can upset the kids uniform 7 quid a month.
Are you going to have a right in your household because I take the piss off.
You're just not going to do it a conservative.
They just can't move on to the other things they want on their TV because the kids in the morning and watch this programme again, so I can be very sticky.
I think it's not going to get much done.
I mean obviously when kids grow out of Disney that will be That'll Be the Day everyone I mean.
The Old so I think they're not used to make volume Netflix you doing I mean is producing shed loads of volume.
Is there and Disney's using a Great Library but they have to keep on adding and adding adding and the culture is you know every week looking as a new season of his a new show and can they do that they can't do that they might find it.
They're going to reply to her but that's what I was going to say something different our discussion on children's television couple of weeks ago and one of the interesting things that came up.
There was that the Coral's UK children production companies are still saying well.
We've really still only got one be customer and that's the BBC unfortunately and then another person said.
But look at what the Natural History unit has done.
It's made in a natural history into a global Brand and also all of the people all the best people have all been so they pinch really or encouraged to make programs in their own independent production companies for people like Netflix or whoever that showed you and so wouldn't it be wonderful if this happened to children's television that we would find ourselves with not just Netflix which is in is a bit in a taking well alright, but we find ourselves in great demand and that the British you know children's production side or just blossom.
I'd love to get me Disney already already commissioning British action films and making a natural history documentary on they and this can only be good for the community British writers and creators particular preschool are well.
Revered around the world to me and we have a good reputation for tickly for preschool and was very good and all that stuff from ragdoll absolute.
Long history of shows like that but we are very good at design very good at writing very good at creativity with more expensive on physical animation.
That's one of the problems which often mean that work might go out to Asia but I think the issue is more than mine said it's you just said it really don't just make for the domestic platforms make a British so that's got britishness in it, but British does that translate to the rest of the world if you can do that and you can sell it overseas.
There's no reason.
Why can't we can't be a real powerhouse of kids production ok from Teletubbies to Downing Street this week journeys walked out after some of them were sidelined.
Can you tell us what happened Maggie it was simply that instead of the normal list of people who are in the lobby and there was to edit that list and have sheep and goats and I'm very pleased to say that this was not on the whole Robbie just all the people who are included so no we're not going in.
It didn't happen, so I think it's been from that point of view one of the nice better pushback from the rather sour and and unpleasant atmosphere which really stems from the general election and all power to them.
It was a briefing with the prime minister's chief brexit Negotiator David Frost we think the BBC iTV in the Guardian and the Financial Times of being allowed in some of those being barred were the mirror I an independent which you could could you read into the title to me yeah, but I mean do you think the song I mean there's an established system operating the lobby like it or not happens twice a day and she being on The Independent when it launched levels of debate about whether we went in the lobby or not that I mind O'Leary said that we don't really need.
Everybody does really so it's it's it's quaint, but it's sort of works for the real point is that Janice have reached the sort of how can I put a breaking point I think with with government attempts to not hold refunds at all not include them on there going to be speeches made all the rest of it not allowing questions.
We've seen all of these things happen.
Not going on key programs as I was going to say that I think it speaks to a general sense of frustration and and pushing back and and it was clear was it was a feeling that or have you that went across the whole board of who you were the Telegraph as much as the Guardian so I found that a very positive and this is this is going to happen more and more because you can't really run any.
Democracy in this way and the press is a key part of that and and service are the broadcasters remember this happening to me actually.
I was told I was not acceptable when I was working and I'm going back to the days before Tony Blair was elected when Peter Mandelson was assembling new Labour and new labour incredibly controlling in terms of who they allowed in and we were talk radio live talk radio owned by cl2 franco-german company and we were told we would not have passed.
It will not allowed access into the Party Conference where the BBC was clear and appropriate and we went right political colour and we we rejected from the room.
We weren't allowed in and Peter Mandelson actually became a guest presenter on talk radio and he was absolutely clear that his agenda was to make sure that new Labour only spoke to the journalists were going to give new labour a good coverage.
So this isn't just any right-wing agenda.
Yeah, whenever you've got maybe I mean, I didn't have my Joyce things.
It's before they were actually in power but you know the Madison Blair axis was incredibly strong and controlling wasn't lay-by on message that was the first I'm going out to Sky News accident remember to see him all the time.
I've done something to pick up around Minister's boycotting the today show peers may be that that that those those hostilities ended with Nicky Morgan go on the Today programme albeit not live in video she was I think recorded at her speech and policy exchange yesterday, but what do we make that is an issue.
Well, I mean look I think given the size of the audience and we talking about 8 million people listening Amazon incredibly large audience.
I mean it's probably nowhere else in the morning.
You can get that sort of Reach on any medium and all so it should be good news.
In the country, so if you can make that work for you, then you should be on there.
I think you know if you're going to go on the Today programme you got to be prepared.
You've got to have you in a row and you got to go for it and I think any senior politicians should be willing to do that.
That's part of the job.
I think I said just seen those at the ratings went up in the last quarter despite the fact that they went and I mean I didn't mean in a Radio 5 live talk radio Radio 4.
They all increase their audiences.
So there was there was interesting General Election despite the absence of the big names so do we think that we declined now on the brexit bumps over well? I mean it's a year on year think so not going to know I suspect we know we're probably going to see a bit of a fullback in the speech stations next quarter but I mean you know for 5% may be catastrophic for the Beast undecline.
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It's over to Paul Robinson with the radio off now this listing is now 58.5% of all listening.
So did she was now in a way ahead of analogue and it was boosted by several things DAB continues to grow I mean DAB is still the largest source of digital listening, but also there's growth in and listening via smart speakers now.
It's a huge growth, but still a relatively small number of 31% of adults now claim have a voice.
Speaker and two-thirds of those listen to radio on that speaker and yeah and so the Grove here is 43% in terms of total hours, but it still represents two and a half percent total listening, but now it's this clearly the other thing is really interesting is digital radio in Cars now.
If finally got DAB sets as standard in Cars you're seeing a real in the listening in Cars up by 16% year-on-year so really really strong and then you know people BBC 6 music radio 4 Extra credibly well plus all the global stations doing very well Chris Evans is interesting because Virgin Radio had this huge increase in audience and it hasn't continuing Chris Evans does have the single largest digital-only radiography update it as what radiotoday report it is only 1.2 million people.
Go to Radio 2 breakfast show me where he came from is is Tiny so even Chris you know can't shift the numbers beyond that and he's brilliant at bring me and audiences.
Everywhere goes Radio 1 radio 2 is all he's always added added numbers about digital and aside from that bit up and down so she's not here on YouTube gospel 100000 listeners, but not as bad as it was but it doesn't look like she's never going to get back to Chris Evans what about Greg James cos I'm in his show is so heavily plugged across the BBC these days even slightly down if I if I remember correctly is slightly down his down from 5.1 million to 4.8 million, but radio one is down as well.
This is all part of the transition and young audiences away from linear now.
They're moving to podcast are moving to On Demand and that's the biggest you so Radio 1.
Is it sliding Greg James Cher
Has gone up but he can't he can't hold the whole station because it's a trend.
That's gonna go in that direction capitals got the same problem.
You know that this issue about younger audiences and have a listening to come anywhere near you know switch off of analogue in your view well FM is still getting about 40% of total listening.
Am is now really really small so I am being switched off and in fact the BBC switched off the am transmitter quite a few of his local stations only and last few weeks and more to come so I am it's definitely gone FM's can be around for a while because God replace those sets and they have a long lifetime.
So no, I think we are at least five years away.
I will stick with your thoughts about the the push for younger viewers order to retain young viewers anyway and that and that's that's very much for BBC wide issue and one of the things they trying to do to help increase their young audience is.
Update to BBC One about this.
I'm not really the expert on top of that they've got the lineup of presenters the program is just resonating with a man.
I know anyway and it's more women watching the the bath or what was the BBC One programme has lowered considerably so 3 million also is just brilliant.
So it's an obvious move and I'm surprised it's taken so long anyway actually suggesting is that Jeremy Clarkson and any woman who stole the run the show was always very reluctant on BBC one because they like to be the top dogs on BBC2 but also you have got this revitalization haven't you look I think it's a Smart Move and groove maybe I'm surprised that.
Before I mean the strategic issue for the BBC is that protect the licence fee it has Universe has to have universality of access and BBC One always used to be viewed by basically everybody it was easier if you know BBC One was doing well the BBC could argue licence for you.
No problem universality BBC One is starting to lose reach.
It's not getting is not got the same universality they've got a proper BBC One on the Ford it even allowed have lost on the other channels is BBC One is strong, so I think I'm going to see increasingly more and more energy and more and more budget Direct the BBC One I think it's absolutely the mothership and they've always had a quite ruthless policy as we all know moving BBC2 hits over to BBC One and that's why when you have a very strong overall director television which is you do have at the BBC now.
They will do everything they can I mean she's really you know that the Queen that they would do anything to keep BBC One going on.
What's the Kiki party and the other thing? I think this is not the only example more to come? I'm sure it's only the reporting on BBC3 Hudson new data on whether that works definitely move of RuPaul on to drive young audiences to BBC3 I haven't CBBC will tell you it was a huge success.
They will but millions and millions of years.
I forget number for the right people at the target the BBC said that they were young that was a young audience is coming to it and it certainly helped towards was a record year for iPlayer last year.
They have 4 billion requests across the Year which is just an extraordinary number.
I think credit where it's due on that I think I will stick with the BBC we've talked about something nice now.
We'll talk to something a bit more grim and that was that we witnessed BBC news reporters live tweeting the prospect of redundancy is it?
News 450 jobs are going Maggie tell us a bit more about this the BBC as we know is facing cuts because it's not going to be compensated for the over 75s licences and they do face a crisis of quite considerable proportions and it's happening right now.
They have decided they need to cut 80 million out of the budget for new sanda.
This is sort of one of the first ways of doing it on the other hand and that's why I've got the figure wrong but the Financial Times put what I think was the right thing but there's supposed to be about 6000 hour working on various news and current affairs related programming at the BBC that is a huge number of context a cat like that.
It is clearly of great concern to the people affected and I do sympathize with especially the
Rooting around and getting very good social issue a news stories on the Victoria Derbyshire show which I think was a nice place programme because it's in the I never used to watch it, but I knew somebody who's the work on it whose produce some fantastic journalism full Victoria to head up.
So there are lots of concerns about on the other hand we recently discussed whether people are doing too much news for doing too many news stories in newspapers and what you what you really have to refined and your outfit and it could well be that this cut will not be as strict as it seems to be to the people concerned the worry is that things become homogenized? I think that's one of the would concern me that you have this massive Newsroom so hopefully they're going to send more people that supposed to be sending another contingency out to the Regent's and we all
If you watch the BBC carefully which I do you very often get the story of the day which somehow goes on and on in the same vein all the way across different outlets and then it turns up on Newsnight as well, and I think that there does need to be some to rationalize and just decide on a centrally.
What are the bits and then you could end up losing quite a lot of the variety and the quirks that you actually need to keep all these different audiences interested informed.
I have had a problem Newsnight recently because very often you turn to it and it's kind of repeating what you've been hearing may be on them on the main news and I think it does need to maybe have a new identity and decide you know what it is about and it could be that when you actually challenge an organisation it.
The news at Changes but in a good way and not necessarily in a bad way because you shake things up a bit.
I don't know but it is it is obviously all part of this cutbacks taking place at the BBC and news and current affairs is there key public service unit unique selling point they have they do more of it than anybody else and they do a lot of foreign news etc.
Etc, etc, and we should be worried.
I'm not saying it's considerable but I am I'm saying that it may not be you know I'm again.
Let me know about a little bit and then it all plays the narrative that the BBC's in very choppy Waters at the moment.
We've had Nicky Morgan the culture secretary make a speech this week, where she effectively signalled that the life possibly be scrapped in 2027?
Which 75% comes from the licence fee VAT to quickly on that because the licence fee goes up by £3 on a problem the fact that will generate an extra 80 million years that's rather cut in use and is part of a broader 800 million-pound the we've had the easy savings.
I think that's the other that's the other point that the BBC would I mean I think that's 5 billion pounds is not an inconsiderable sum and what's important is loose change.
What is the before? I mean I think so.
I need to actually sit down with a piece of paper again.
Look if we want to retain some sort of universal charging to every household, and not go the Netflix model not have advertising not be funded by the government and all the negatives that produce we've got to appeal to everybody we've got to make sure that the BBC somehow touches everybody in whatever way doesn't have to be every single service but online TV re.
You know you've got to get something for everybody and work out what it is, and then work has been the five minutes starting from where they are and what they tend to do is a bit like the Victoria Derbyshire think they lost limbs in a run thing can we do it more efficiently? Let's think about what we're about the the licence key thing is significant because clearly heard is decriminalised nicest that will be the outcome.
That is going to increase the amount of you.
Look at the licence fee income 2019/2018 and these are BBC annual report figures about 900000 people stop paying licence fee in that year, so a very significant drop in income if that continues the BBC is heading for a precipice so I think you know what cost cutting is an expedient for the moment.
It's not going to solve the problem because they're going to keep Costcutter until they kill the BBC you've got to think about how to make sure the BBC reach is everybody and everyone is willing to pay for it.
If you're willing to pay for it and wasn't getting value.
This is not insignificant Nurseries band Daily Mail first thing in the morning and it's a Lister it's a proper sort of piece of research into what Brits think of as Lifesavers what we about and it's a list of all things right up there good and proper is the BBC and I read this just as all of this debate was going on about the decriminalization which actually I find quite hard to defend the fat women like you get dragged through the magistrates court some rest of it and then.
1000 people at the child find and majority of those are women and it was noticeable really I thought yesterday but nobody really important because MPs get loaded on this along with actually opposing Nicky Morgan there was every opportunity for Tracy brabin that the labour culture shadow secretary to make a bit of a shame that brother showing off too much less according to some people because she was wearing a rather Gracie dress in Parliament but there wasn't kicking back the people who were opposing it of course great BBC fans.
I mean myself really but I actually think it is it is a very difficult thing to argue that you have a compulsory licence fee that can turn you into it will give you a criminal Netflix people.
This is why I know that ok the BBC does face a lot of threads.
I think you can underestimate the public's affection for it and I'm not saying that it's given that the the 100th centenary at 100 years of the BBC will be in 2022.
Obviously make a great great push on that on top of that he can't disrupts a royal charter until 2027 it does give the BBC 700 years and lots of clever people are ways of the direction is a lot going on and we can talk about the BBC for the whole show but we going to talk about a couple of departures from the BBC both very different reasons first of all Sarah Sands if we could just jump on that specifically did you see the writing on the wall is actually jump ship known at the BBC is going on there.
It's a great shame because I think she's done a really good job and I think it's
What's the new Sara sent I mean the the way the cuts were handled seems to be a bit careless something Victoria Derbyshire you know found out in an appropriate way, maybe she thought now is the time to go.
I think that probably was it she thought you know what the writing on the wall.
Let me go and do something else Today programme did she do a good job? I got some of her brothers soft cultural things have happened around about 20 this morning and children that was actually in the 89 oclock, but there were times when I thought I've just had enough of this washing on and you've cut out for somebody who's really interesting but he doesn't want to get up so early in the morning anyway.
She's she's got a very very strong vagina.
She could go in and help.
The times with its radio shows they've already recruited some people.
Yes, I mean she could she says she's going to be in demand and she writes she writes very well, too.
So she's just run for the door at the right time you heard it here first.
We must also say goodbye to at Nicholas Parsons host of the longest-running panel show just a minute he died last week at the age of 96 and was mourned by his Legion of fans.
Lots of lovely anecdotes about Nicolas up there that yes, I mean it is funny.
Isn't it? Because that's very cheesy sale of the century.
You know because of the week from Norwich but when I love that.
She was the quotes you know that were thrown everywhere a couple.
I just pulled out.
You know I love his mummy said we're not we are Rogues and vagabonds waiting by the phone there to hire for our Talents a bit like prostitutes and he said I have a very weak stomach.
I'm not sure how I handle is that with kangaroo test.
Just talked to the man with humour and Grace and he should have it.
I guess a bygone age 47 years on one show my goodness me I have the honour of Passing him.
The award was completely he spoke for about 20-minutes had the audience in the palm of his hand there was great laughter and joy in the room and I think we all reflect on that as a real moment and now that he's passed.
Did you come across him while you're in the media reporting trenches not really I mean he's actually kept himself in away away from the media and details personal life too and I always listen to him and just teacher had this wonderful deadpan.
Who was a note timing with the thing he didn't try to sort it out Sharon shop.
Quickly and you've got a track of what's going on and you know something he was absolutely on the money really impressed.
He could really deliver a blue line as well.
Could your minutes up on Parsons and we've got barely enough time for the media quiz at this week.
It's entitled blast from the past at all named locations with a media company or event and you tell me the old thing that reared its head a wrong clear not really I've got it will become clear to him with your name when I'm just a poor shadow the Wheel of Time we love you, so we will do the buzzer test pull your say buzzer Maggie Maggie ok.
Let's go Carlisle Street Soho home of Private Eye and a number of post production houses.
Paul this is the unexploded WWII bomb that caused him to evacuate Dean Street and then almost Private Eye not actually making its deadline.
Is there a lot of grumpy TV producers spilled out on the streets ok? So it's almost closed that's that's correct so one second question The National Television Award for best comedy.
Yes, that's right and it be player of the decade fleabag extraordinary.
No, it isn't it's because these are awarded voted for by people and look at the ratings on Mrs Brown's Boys and my husband likes it a bit said he's very fussy.
Daily charge by the audience and that's what matters isn't it so it's going to a final question 11 so number 3 here we go what's the blast from the past that's going to be on Channel 4 all for this month to read it rain the greatest digital channels get back in touch with the kids.
I mean no but you know you can see what's going on then putting lots of efforts into their extraordinary.
That's if I didn't have a home here but for the best part of a year was on Amazon Prime last year and then disappeared a reputation for being quite nippy.
When they mistake is a small smart, but they're making commercial they have to do the deals to keep going to do this.
That means you're the winner.
There's always next time I will aspire to win next time.
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