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Just one well to tragic stories to reflect on news came through on Monday morning Radio Wales Chris needs who died suddenly over the weekend and then on Tuesday night.

We learn that tomo Andrew Thomas and also died suddenly Tommo and worked at a company as well as commercial stations.

Carmarthenshire and Pembrokeshire Bridge FM and nation radio and it was due to return to the group the new Sunday night show this coming weekend the group putting out a special tribute programs tomo in place is Chris needs death being reported on BBC Radio Wales on living and most recognisable presenters Chris needs has died.

He was 68.

He was best known for his late night weekday, show which he presented for almost two decades callers to the show became part of what he terms the Chris needs friendly garden Association which attracted tens of thousands of members around the world the editor of BBC Radio Wales Colin Patterson has described him as a character and all-round entertainer this morning good morning everybody here.

We're here.

We're all in the morning at BBC really well.

Needs he was a charismatic man a man will never be forgotten on BBC Radio Wales we all are presenters people listen to it.

All could be doing the shopping in the car.

They could be in the house listening to the radio but people that listen the Christie's listen to him because he's on 10:00 till New Year's hours of the morning and they all listen because they love them.

I miss is one of his favourite horse win money that was to Chris's last show was on Friday night is how he signed off in his trademark style once again to close down for yet another night.

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the radio is Breakfast Show in Holyhead starts at 7 at line money for nothing brilliant.

Eating before an animal for the 10 give him my best regards special special events in Leeds tonight to game on the phones and thank you to you for letting me into your home.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you to you at home in the car listening online doesn't matter way.

Thank you so much indeed you come today and you support I make it so what it is Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday night 12:50 BBC Radio Wales

For me to say for myself Chris needs and all the staff here at BBC Wales Broadcasting House in Cardiff with you tomorrow.

Good night.

God bless you.

What's a garden? Thank you so much indeed.

Have a fabulous weekend.

We do it again on Monday with style from everybody here Broadcasting House myself even heard of Chris needs this was a massive star in Wales with his late night show Greg James was among the radio industry fans and this partly came about after great was sent a clip of a caller to the friendly garden at which he playing now on Radio 1.

I wanted to play this because it's a little brain teasers for you.

I'm ok.

You're like a brain teaser to start doing it on a show it feels a bit in the nicest possible a bit Steve Wright today.

Now is from Wales and spotted this on the Chris needs show on BBC Radio Wales last week.

Ok, I love Chris needs incredible voice incredible, so confused following as well.

I thought the colours on this show and I really want my brilliant.

They are the best BBC Radio Wales another Level I'm kinda jealous that we don't get caught as like.

This is today's brain teaser give me a question if you don't mind, please write up a drainpipe down and down and down a drainpipe.

What cannot go down a drainpipe app and go down OK Google what goes up a dream and that goes up and down.

Me say it I got it written down now right.

Is it? What goes up a drainpipe down but not down a drainpipe up between pipe and cannot go down and cannot go down a drainpipe and go up and it was the bank job.

I know what I am going to play with the talking about now.

I've never been so lonely right now right.

What can go up a drainpipe down? This is a way that it is asking for now.

What can go up a drainpipe down and don't have been type of every time a drainpipe up a drink.

What can drain pipe have cannot go down but not down well if anyone could answer that you're a better man than I am amazing Radio what's the best phone call ever made Windsor cancel Phones now.

We don't need them anymore the phone call but not down a drainpipe no weights.

No not the radio.

Yes, what a legend Chris needs is hi, Stefan and Arabella he says that was unbelievable my mum loves Chris needs his alleged he is indeed the wave.

That phone call lasted 89 minutes was remarkable just brilliant.

There was a lovely tribute show on Radio Wales on Monday night which is worth a little back on sounds stations current editor Colin Paterson from wielder, you can have my accent and I remembered their Key to a long time ago somebody telling me about Chris's programme in the sky in Wales is late at night and he's got no and if you phone out.

He will he will take requests and you play the piano for you live on here.

It was one of those moments when you tuned in if you just thought that if you have any radio executive anywhere in the world.

They were saying no chance you're not doing it, but it was one of those my hair is so mad that might just work and that's exactly what happened you not quite often and you know this we last presenters to really think about who are all the entire.

Understand the audience I think the big difference with Chris was he didn't understand the audience because he was the audience you know that conversations between him and is called us dislike year wedding and a conversation over the back fence it in the valleys and I think that's the real difference.

It wasn't a program.

I wasn't charged over such it was it was you know the show and I think the big thing there's just it's authenticity and it was real and it was Welsh and you look around the country now in terms of the way that radio stations and television stations are going and there is genuinely nothing like Chris needs on the radio selling that time of night and I think actually that that should be a great source of Pride for all that is the boss of radio stations you listen to her and you sure.

Really doing this you know you you would just go from Europa cup in into classical music into the birdie song and held the Old together and I think everybody probably had a Christmas Needs moment where they would look at the person sitting next to them in the car and think is this really happening, but the really interesting thing is that how many people's guilty pleasure he was in and the number of a senior in high profile people in Welsh like that again in touch today to see if they were they were fans.

It is incredible and you know that's what it's about the BBC in what we do and how we do it more often made the case and the case himself that is no better example.

I don't think of Public Service Broadcasting than that.

Particularly, if you look out over the last few months as we've all being coming together to get through covert Christie's programme was all about public because every night at 10 or we had a Monday at 9 for a while the beginning of cupboard for a bit longer, but every night as you're going to bed.

You knew that Chris would not that reassuring voice and he was also a vehicle to bring other voices together and and that that's Public Service radio a word with the former Radio Wales Steve Austin's with us on the radio Today programme that he himself spent the best part of 20 years of Broadcasting House in Llandaff what an incredibly sad week really for the Welsh broadcasting Steve Stuart I mean Chris had been with the station for around about 25 years.

You know part of the furniture that that.

Are incredibly incredibly successful you can always prescribed on the NHS that's how essential that show was to to Wales in general in the Toulouse tomo as well within the last 24-hours as well.

I mean you know what you know.

How long was Tony Wright a few weeks ago.

Just real real nos broadcasting and when Chris first arrived at Radio Wales I think he was on day times before he found that home in the evenings.

What was it like in the early days? You know when you were first there is a producer my time with Chris actually goes back to touch him so I was I was in The Newsroom as a kind of training report it when Chris was on breakfast at touch and you know I mean there was the force of energy that was the bundle and nature and you know and and and and there was a breakfast kind of doing doing what the rest of Wales got.

To hear him do kind of firm for night times work for so many years that I might have gone way back.

Yeah.

I mean he presented the mid-morning magazine show when he came to the station first is about finding his feet but then when Judy Barton took over as editor she kind of persuaded him to go to the evenings at having Chris was a bit reluctant at first because I think there was always that will I have any list as well boy boy he built up by he built that that that slot up to be his own and and and to be a real icon of of what BBC Radio Wales was to become and I mean I know because we have family in Cardiff and over the years with arrived quite late at night with the kids are asleep in the car.

Whenever I was kind of coming down from Ross-on-Wye click on Radio Wales as soon as we can get it just took Anna listen to what was going to happen on his later, because it was it was bonkers in terms of the music and the call as well and obviously Chris made it.

Very special you had no idea what was going to happen.

I guess when you were editor that was quite a difficult thing if the show is quite free and not really formatted in a way.

Do you know the funny thing? Is is that the fader went out by trusted him implicitly that's not to say I didn't trust implicitly when I say Wednesday but nonetheless he was the only way I can really describe was he was a chef.

He completely new what to do with all the ingredients.

He had so yes, he would go from Kylie to German techno into Don't Cry for Me Argentina singles in the middle ages and that there were just 9 minutes sequence and and you went and the listeners understood it, but they're actually people felt that they could actually give him a call.

Tell him how they felt tell him about kind of you know the day they had the conversations that had with a daughter with the doctor.

With whoever and Chris would sit there and he would listen and he would reflect back but it allowed people to kind of just feel like this was there so this was there this was there a family the gardeners it became known but it also allowed these incredible moments of comedy you know where actually the amount of times.

I would get sitcom pits to me about you know we want to do a radio station is just let me stop you there because nothing you will write will be the funnier than what I'm listening to Christmas Needs on it and that's not not because it was intentional comedy.

It's not because Chris Chris was playing with with with your he just knew that actually if you let them talk it was it was cold and that it would kind of be incredibly funny and Incredibly great company for those people listening and I think the reaction we've seen from listeners your phone again and getting in contact.

Radio Wales this week just speaks volumes about how much they did love him as well totally totally and utterly and the reciprocal and he knew that actually he showed was nothing without the listeners and kind of fun and vice versa and you know there was there was a period during those 20 years where the BBC go into all sorts of a model over competitions and at one point there was just a blanket ban on competition as well that you know that killed Chris for a good while because the competitions and the silly kind of things what am I thinking right now.

Give me a call if we 700 110 would light up but did you know that that that that kind of throw away stuff was absolutely the lifeblood of of the show and it actually was very very clever device because actually yes people would go on and they'd take part in the competition.

It's been 10 minutes on the phone talking about life and talking about kind of you know and that's where the real gold came really and I guess some of the best spontaneous sounding radio shows are ones that actually planned to the so was he a planner? I was just go with it and see what happens category of getting the latter.

He was a bit yeah, there was I think the thing with Chris is that actually he was born so he was kind of you know very very talented pianist he traveled the world can play keyboard cables for Bonnie Tyler but worked in between working so he understood entertainment Inside Out backwards, so I think what with Chris what he needed to do was basically have a bag of Records times and just the thought of you know a format in his head and then he would take it from there and you know sometimes you know he will save you didn't always have.

You know it was it wasn't kind of every night kind of you had those the drainpipe call is but actually kind of when they came boy did they come with and he said even more of a shock just 24 hours later to find out about tomo dying suddenly.

No tomo again.

You're a big voice a big personality in the Welsh radio for many many years and you hiding Radio Wales for a few shows as well, so he brought him into to present the afternoon show on on BBC Radio Cymru and you know what happened till that point is broadcasting had all been done in English on radio Ceredigion and Carmarthenshire and throughout the Nation Network he and I kind of got on very well from from the start.

I knew he had stuff that he could offer yet.

He stood in for Chris a couple of times.

You didn't throw in money a few times.

You know but

The thing I remember about Tom more than anything else is Chester boundless energy.

I mean he would my office I was in the main office kind of another word.

There wasn't a kind of like managers office per se but I would sit at the the other end of the room to to do the way the people came into the building and you just see the doors Bella openedge.

Just like walking through like a peacock Steve Steve Steve Steve Steve and you know he was just a bundle of energy and enthusiasm and he was at that.

You know one of the most genuine people that you could ever meet all my money and a real real to broadcast in Wales a very sad week.

Steve good to catch up with you Saturday it's under these circumstances, but thanks for talking to us no problem at all has Steve Austin's at 4.

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The number one song on the heritage chart J's radio get in contact if you want United DJs radio on Facebook or you can always get in contact on Twitter at United DJs radio yeah, she's back with weekly heritage chart showing digital station United DJs and I'm pleased to say is with us on the radio Today programme this week foxy welcome.

She said it's quite good.

Interesting I think when you first start out and radio it there's always that contractor listening to your own air checked bag, but it's something I used to always do literally every week.

I'll make sure I record a show and listen back.

Just to see if you're falling into empty any dreadful bad habits so having not done that for 5-years, but I love countdown so there was always an energy to them and a fun and and obviously a direction travelling towards at number 12 bus exciting so that's pretty good and we can't help but notice we Gotta Get Out the Way for us using the jingle again so Dr fox is back.

Yeah.

I look I mean I remember years ago.

There was a moment a capital when I think party was trying to urge kid Jensen to be David Jensen I mean you're not a kid anymore right, but I think he was called kid because he was like 18 when he was on Radio Luxembourg all those years ago and it's a nickname that stuck and sometimes in advance if the public know you were something it seems really.

It's hard to get a brand inverted commas, but if it actually sticks and they know you was something don't fight it and I think for years and years in a doctor Fox was a nickname that I started from doing a late show on a Saturday that was a bit you know whiskey and fun and full of energy and the sound of a funny on London right 1:50 originally on a Saturday night when it was the doctor foxes late night surgery.

I made the jingle up and so have knocked it together using razor blades and type in the old splicing way and that isn't it? It's me right now is the only bloke sitting in the studio, so we made it and it was just one of those jingles that stuck and I can guarantee you know that all these years.

I must have made that I know 30 years ago people still literally every week will sing that jungle to me and I'll go Dad it's just one of those things and sometimes you go don't fight it.

That's what people know me as and it is a great single life so you put it on it's it's it's just actually, thank you very much Robert Palmer bad case of Loving You the song so it's not that I wrote it, but it's just it's a great jingle and people know it is sticking their head and then they know it's me back on it catch up got all the hits.

So you know and work with my BT 7500 V micro international Radio 1 jingles that people you know and Gary Davies and over the years that really have work and you can't it's like some songs stick in people's head there certain catch phrases advert sticking people said you know what look there are certain stick in people's head and just think ok brilliant.

There was a time at magic obviously when I started there and that jingle you know that would like to start with I was always the Antichrist to to magically.

What you can play Dr fox here at night mellow magic you serious but obviously it was a plan parking.

I had andria vidler to slowly into it but jingle slightly probably inappropriate early Magic by the end of it.

I probably could have used it but actually we didn't really but I was always itching to in away crank up to Fox single people know it.

I know love it'd be back before we get accused of being too geeky so this new show so started last weekend.

Tell us what it's about.

What's the point of it? It's called the heritage chart and for a couple of years Tony Prince you started you DJ and Mike Reid been so saying can't get you back on here.

Can you know this is a great show here and I've been doing other things I'll be honest and have slightly resisted because I'm not really a big nostalgia freak.

I don't want to live in the past and sort of trying to recreate the old sound of pirates or lucky or I like living in the now and the present and so there are things clearly learn from past radio that had the energy in a field written some great personalities and Away shops.

Where was probably way more entertaining in many respects than they are nowadays to be honest.

I'm sure we'll talk about that, but I didn't want it in a way just try and wallow in the past.

So my thing is always been well.

Let me just to sit and wait and hear this thing pans out but when really call me about 45 weeks ago and I've got this idea.

I want you to do this thing what you think let's talk about it and we met up at the garden centre.

Very rock and roll out new play he lives to discuss over nice pot of tea, and it just seemed like a very good idea.

I like countdowns.

There's always good everyone loves account down.

You know look at bank holiday.

Schedules is often the 30 greatest you know cups by celebrities people like any form of a countdown that starts at a number and ends up at and the number one the number one song the number one in embarrassing moment is so we tend to like that because you know your building towards something that hopefully is the biggest the number one the top of the time you get to the end of the show so he was an idea that he put to me saying there are loads of artists who we have grown up with and loved so you could inverted commas call them heritage.

Are the no one's playing anymore literally no, no mainstream radio stations will touch partly because maybe there old maybe they've been around maybe whatever reason the young trendy hip program controller meetings now or play this meetings.

Don't think that they would fit in the modern sound of their station and so when you look at the top 10 minutes.

Looking at ok, so what would probably be our top-10 well Paul Weller Michael Stipe from REM Howard Jones Nik Kershaw John coghlan from status Quo Lamar right Said Fred big household names names of millions of Records sales behind them all had massive number ones in the past and yet no one I mean no one touches them maybe with the exception of well.

Why do you think that is why do you think Radio 2 and not playing some of these artists? I mean it's a weird one because you know this whole issue of in a where's the BBC going to go and more and more it's never going to go away and it's always how's it going to get funded and so it comes back to what should the BBC be in obviously when I was a kid there was BBC1 and BBC2 and there were four radio channels local now they've got so many TV channels.

They've got so many radio stations and you go.

I'm sorry you just don't need them all and we as the public shouldn't have to find them she might.

Play Never watch terrestrial TV kids down now.

They don't watch BBC or iTV they're watching Netflix Apple TV to be fair.

So Louise as well and you go so ok if I can get all that for 599 a month.

Why are you telling me? I've got to pay 160 quid to watch the BBC which I don't know just have a television so the whole funding model of it has got to change and this is growing pressure quite rightly so the lot of people go, what have I just don't ever watch the BBC ok? It's like an opt-in or opt-out.

I'm never going to watch it never listen to BBC Radio so can I just pay nothing I think of any use at any court there go with course you don't have to pay for it.

If you're not using it, so we've got this old antiquated funding model of the BBC and the really needs addressing now.

I know they got this new director-general.

They have obviously Tim Davie is an interesting guy because he was he was our first.

Contact with pets it seems this smart young guy at Pepsi who was in charge of from their side the Pepsi chart and a really smart Guy clearly and a very kind guy so it's no I think it's interesting that the beam of chosen someone who's very commercially minded to be in that job now because you need someone is very commercially minded because he's going to have a battles ahead of him when people are going to say sorry you cannot justify Radio 3 anymore.

You got classic FM you've got Scarlet classic there a zillion places to get it is one of the most expensive networks to run don't bother anymore Radio 2.

What are you trying to be ok your sort of radio one and a half now.

So when it was I was keep growing up and then you had Terry Wogan and young and his guys.

It was for older people now.

It seems to be trying to be a bit younger and trendier and I think there's a big hole in the market and partly that big hole it is I think.

Udj is trying to fill this whole partly.

I think as well because playlist have got very centralised mean radio in many respects now.

It's it's a really sad case that you've got the BBC you have global radio and we have our that's pretty much what you've got in Britain that's it and so there's three companies all in London dominate.

What people listen to Around the country and of course let's be honest no decision that global or have made in the last 10 years as ever been about making more exciting entertaining radio.

It's all been about how come you make radio and bigger brands for less money and I understand the commercial constraints and not being you know ridiculous here.

We live in a commercial world.

It's expensive you know putting on quality shows Building and paying the PRS look this is business and in that entertainment area there are lots of other platforms now and other ways that people can get their music so.

I want to listen to music to my kids ever listen to the radio never never turn the radio on Spotify that's how they get their music so there's challenges all around its mentis.

You get one person sitting in Leicester Square one person sitting in Golden Square who is pretty much telling all these different stations want to play what time and what that means you get a very sanitize.

I know they're building national brands and that's very easy to sell good.

Ok.

That makes it easier to make a profit and money but on the other hand it doesn't make it really doesn't and what we've lost who lost any local now, so when I started in radio.

I started a little station radio Wyvern Harvey il are independent local radio network of all these different privately owned one they started to have financial probably got brought up by other ones and they started to merge so now they're all merging so we've got our global and they do great job.

But there is nothing local all these small stations in a you've got one show week that comes from that station to prevent you know eventually what's going to happen.

I just going to have to say to you know what guys yeah, you don't have to the local show local breakfast or local drive time and we've been trying to hang on to this Klingons this localness, but they're going to happen.

It just makes the national brand you got heart you got magic you got capital you got kids that it right.

I think we have lost out a little bit and the richness of the whole thing and of course because of that the jocks can't really say anything apart from I've got another £30 if you listen to Bruno Mars and pink on Monday morning, but really it's become it's really home down.

I think me and Chris Tarrant used to have these great conversations and it was that moment in some of the jokes meetings back at capitol when you never had the radar meeting so Park it will tell us a radio and normally they were great which was brilliant and then it's like a sort of you guys got any questions.

Often was that moment was that what are they going to ask an NCT or maybe because we're we could just this way inclined so when we're out their meeting all the listeners at all the gigs and the things that we do one thing comes up all the time and just me anyone who's listening to this podcast off right now is about so my god.

I've been asked that before jocks the same sentence all the time this was going on thirty years ago the Hare at why do you play the same 15 songs all the time back to back because it's sort of almost become that right, but then it was even then it was widely the same so why don't you play twice as many songs are often so please answer you did not like this question ever but will keep asking it and it's a well when you look at basically.

I won't do a Scottish accent all the time but when you do.

When when you like that so many pockets and actually go to work for as long as you could take it and you were fixed in because we have lots of success but to be honest and his answer will be ok people look at the average listening time listen.

I know 25 minutes or whatever it may be the only other station to listen to that number slightly going down so we've got to make sure that when my TuneIn it always hearing the big.

Can you get without a logic there, but let me go for the flip side of that coin is maybe they're only listening for that amount of time because they're just bored senseless appearing the same songs all the time maybe more songs they might listen for longer and I supposed to just someone had to make a decision so he was the programme director and ago this is my way if you don't like it bugger off and that really.

The attitude of this is how we going on the radio station very much in the way of the Sir Alex Ferguson stars are probably running Man United very successful, but you know ok.

He was definitely in charge and for the most part.

It was unbelievably successful, then when he leaves there and then he was obviously he was doing some freelance work consultant at with a map of the time so andria, vidler my old managing director from Capital has gone over there was now running magic and put together this I mean Awesome all female team was running you know magic it was it was really good that great people to work with and park.

It was this consultant and him and I have known each other for a long time since 1987.

He said no idea.

There's a hole in the market for a really great sort of a Mor station.

That's really well done.

We think that could be magic one you can do breakfast all the things that may

Really good you have to be honest with parking and and a grape and fig and her management team doing the business side of things but in terms of programming party.

Got it right and any new which songs to play in how to say and then ever since really it's no one's done nothing better than he did there.

It's all he laid the foundation for the station should be the station when another one the breakfast show went another one now.

We have magic little magic 105.4 manage to go and beat the mighty capital and everyone else and someone you another one of the rating so he knows his stuff when it comes to radio, so he goes over I mean actually table haven't got actually was was rtb for me and Pac-Man and what have you and what was always lovely about actually That actually really like trade.

I'm sure it's really good to have a boss.

You.

Clearly likes the medium and isn't just there for the business so loves radio and always love radio and music and entertainment so that's really good and obviously.

Imagine being a fortunate situation in later on to be able to put together you know a Consortium and buyout g cab which was getting a bit tired and needed a kick up the ass.

Let's be honest the time being run down a bit and and off they went with Global Radio and I've done an amazing job from a business point of view of creating lots of national brands.

You know you know is a really strong brand capital is a really strong brand obviously LBC enormous now and classic and you know they've done really well, but in terms of what I sent you this entertaining to listen to you anymore.

Ok, is this fun do you turn on a go? What are they going to say next? What are they going to play next? There is no surprise anymore really with what's going to happen on the radio? I didn't every week breakfast show on Capital now sadly it all those radio station sound very contrived.

I think is actually a good word sadly because they're all the right bits are all the right place.

There's no surprise anymore you got no and so nothing crazy is ever going to happen and it's all very consistent and very good, but where are The Mavericks anymore? Where someone is going to go? Where's the Tarrant that actually would say some stuff that will make you belly laugh.

Nothing makes your belly laugh for breakfast anymore.

You've got a team of sycophant.

Sort of pretending to laugh around your stuff that really isn't funny but you know Tarrant would say that was funny funny that will make you cry with laughter funny and and then play a song and he wasn't the greatest DJ can Jack intro.

She can do that it gives the Monkees he was entertaining and Frank Skinner's entertaining on the radio on TuneIn on a Saturday morning.

I go to Battersea Park I walk my dog.

I come back.

I'll sit in the car so I sit in my car.

I listen to some of the stuff.

He's talking about with his team and his funny.

I mean funny.

Haha and then I'll play a song that says that's a different kind of radio the normal strip show radio but even that has got a look.

Contrived and I'm I right in saying you had an offer to go to Global a few years ago.

I was talking with pockey because after I have my court case and what have you know as my QC and said in his something up on my thing you said look you know when you get to call like this.

It's quite toxic and I've been part of being on the radio.

We have to understand is that people ok? Hope you're good at what you do, but also I like that idea that radio you create you want the friend on the radio two people sitting at home or in the car or wherever they listen to the show you become their friend on and obviously if you've been through a situation like mine then radio stations employee because they think you can be that friend on the radio and having a lot of radio stations are so annoyed about legal cases in a potentially getting any bad press up or taking a risk anymore that I think to be fair after it.

I mean I got to be honest coming back now.

Just bloody crap at the whole thing.

They were and actually global and the guys there Ashley and party and what have you really lovely and what have the first person to take me out for dinner actually after my rest was talking to be fair.

He called me and what have you and actually lot of the guys there were brilliant and so after the case.

It's texting you think you know that ended in that was the December 2015.

We are talking out at the end of July 2022 what I need to take some time out.

Cos that had been a strange experience and I think that's why couldn't you know what to get back and be a broadcaster again now, but I did and partly but I need some time off.

I really did just a regrouping is have a workout because there's no doubt by the time of the end of my time magic I was bored out of my brains really not really it was because there's only so much Michael B

Can play and Lionel Richie much as I love both those artist but you know when it's the relentlessness of the whole thing and that sort of in way having to sleep.

That's slightly patronising way of broadcasting a good but then you go ok where we going to where can we go with this now? We can we go anywhere else with it to a certain extent apart from just do more of the same everyday and once a station that groove you can ago you just playing the same song every day really maybe a slightly different order but you are and the whole thing.

It's like I can be found the formula y change it to the same thing every single day.

So where we going to go and we behind it up and it's been a business side of me and a friend of mine contacting me and it had been got a load of money to build app and I've been involved with this game called beat the intro which would end up launching as an interactive DVD on Capital back in 2005 and it done and then that was detecting interactive DVDs

PlayStation 10 been invented an Xbox is it did really well for a year and then of course the Tech change and so literally just fell off a cliff that was the end of that one, but the game was always good about basically name That Tune he's a bit of a song what is it people are playing that can be played on the radio for donkey's years.

He said I've got a load of money to build an app.

Please come and work.

I really need your help because you understand that side of things and how to engage audiences and that's what I give her about three years and then that led to me starting my own company and trying to building something new now.

I can't talk right now, but it probably will do probably about I think about 6-months to 8-years time and it will be interesting it's in the music space in the entertainment space and it said it it's something that you go.

This is just missing and so we're going to fill the whole but in the meantime.

You know that really and Tony prince called me up and said come and do this.

Felt like the right time it feel like an interesting thing to go and do as well because just going back on there and going hey it's Monday afternoon.

How you doing to the honest? I just thought I'd just can't do that anymore.

I really can't handle this sounded interesting and although stations like United DJs are in a definitely look at small niche radio at the moment.

They're clearly just from the feedback.

We getting blown away by the feedback from doing the heritage start on Sunday at just how many in a request on Facebook how many people are listening? How many people it's suddenly you go my goodness.

This is and people from all around the world which is fascinating and Paul and Paul Robinson Neighbours he's my busy maids, so he's listening Australia in Melbourne you can get any like texting this is driving his car in Chicago taking his daughter to like socket.

What have you any listing? Is this is so this is brilliant right and animating South Africa who was on Luxembourg with me call Tony Blewitt area, so he's he's suddenly listening and that's supposed what it cannot can allow you to have this sort of global reach how you monetize their global reach is slightly more awkward.

Of course you know probably just just be big in your own market and monetize dad like you DJ and other internet stations their problem is how do you monetize it if you got any Media agency and say right ok? We need to get a sponsor a brand sponsor who's going to sponsor the heritage chart and what have you got the idea of doing it and they're going to go it all comes down to numbers.

How many people listening and watch it cost 1000.

You know and then when you get down to the numbers.

That's where the bigger groups have been away.

Got it completely they can tell you how many numbers and they got the big numbers and what radio mic start to find out in the same way that it's gone with online and with internet shopping and you know smaller.

Pop-up ads are coming here the more targeted to the people either shopping online and now will be listening on the radio.

That's probably what will have a lot more of and that's probably how we're going to monetize these things so they actually survive there goes.

There's a need for them.

There's definitely and the word definite market out there for the manager hole for them.

So it's nice that people can have something because radio is still great company and great entertainment and what what I found listening to you DJ for example was there some really great shows on that buy some tremendous DJs who can talk they have a brain.

They got something say the egos of maybe been left behind many years ago.

They never going to say I'm a really cool shirt today.

They're not saying anything that anymore so lot of guys are playing some good songs with with an energy and a feel and maybe an excitement that you don't tend to hear anymore very hard for a job now and I still have go how did these Young

Who are working for Park capitol way? How do they get their experience because I I was lucky to work a little station where we paid saddle really and so because the Norman built-in our boss at radio Wyvern Avenue is going to have quite a flow of DJs coming in and out we're going to cut their teeth some good some bad and that you could always get a lot more in those days and if you were good right at the top and if you're bad you need some crash and burn.

I wonder now lot of these guys have never grown up with that all been able to go to small spaces where they came back about because even when they're on little station.

They were controlled by the big station to told what to say pretty much and right you got to do this do that got to that.

It's very contrived and so where's the idea of someone just open the mic on saying something entertaining or making the great observation or an emotional thought or something that connects you the audience or at the listener.

They're saying here in a funny a sentimental or interested way.

I don't think that really happens that much anymore.

I'll be ready on I wish it did but I never really here that during the day.

It's background to a certain extend.

It's slightly like I'm on Spotify but some and every now and again saying something in between a playlist so I know what the play.

This is going to be on all the stations now.

We all know what it's going to be you know turn on heart now.

I can guarantee within the next hour.

I will hear pink I will hear CeCe Peniston I will hear Bruno Mars I will I guarantee it as a business model.

They got it really work.

I think what hard isn't it was like now you want to dial back in a bit of the excitement.

So you go now, can we make it exciting again now.

Can we make it interesting again and you know is United challenge these guys clearly.

It's not worth small radio station, but it was interesting interesting to go to work with a bunch of really funny people whose views on music are.

Considered so when we do the heritage chart for example we ask all the jokes.

Ok have all these records which one do you like which ones you getting great feedback from the audience? What are they like what I hate? What are the comments what you think what you feel and those things are going to help for example come up with our with our heritage chard now.

It's interesting someone sent me a chance still relevant now.

I think we'll of HR everyone.

I think just commercial radio and radio One slightly felt that because the way people consumed music now.

You won't buying records anymore.

You're streaming music is important, but I think that I don't think that's right.

I think if it keeps love to know what's the most popular song they might be buying records anymore, but they still loving records on the chart was just an indicator of one of the most popular songs any particular week in the country and whether I've bought it as a vinyl single ACAS single CD I downloaded it on.

Screaming it.

I'm still only doing that to the songs.

I like like soda, so whatever is the number one stream song is the most popular song that week, that's how it works, so I still think they could be as relevant if you decided right.

This is really important.

We're going to go for it.

We going to talk about the number one.

We're going to make it a big deal and you clearly so passionate about radio and about music still I wonder whether that period in your life 5 years ago made you stop and reassess things and whether you can come out of that with different mindset on on life and people and radio and generally look it's been a really lockdown been a really interesting time for people because I think it's managed to its allowed people to some just stop for a moment and think I was running along at 1000 miles an hour.

Do I need to be good I slow down and I think they're all though and you have that kind of 5 years ago almost completely did and I like I was in.

If you know magic and what have you been away Groundhog Day which is kind of was and so yeah that all stopped and then I did have a chance to rethink it may be at that time we assess right who's being a good who's been a bad friend is being a good charity who's dropping like a stone which have been good radio companies who's been a pain in the ass and just a weak and pathetic.

You do literally gives you a really good chance to assess a lot of things that and then also work out.

Maybe what you want to do and because I've been on this since 1985 this amazing treadmill like going literally 1000 miles an hour and it had been going really well.

You know from you know what happened to lucky the capital really well and tell him and it was it was actually you get to a point where you ok now here's a chance to reset.

What do I really like if you're going along really well, and you know you're getting paid really well for it.

You gonna think ok? If it ain't broke don't fix it so but there.

Were you thinking I'd like to get off this this treadmill the little bed, but it was hard to people have contracted you and they're expecting a pound of flesh which I've always try to deliver the treadmill came to a grinding halt between I've been like going out.

It's six or seven days a week and it was all very interesting entertaining and up and had a great life out of it, but it was it was a really well pay Groundhog Day but it was Groundhog Day so much.

It was just on my god here we go again again again and I think also with that young man's mentality.

You're always trying to do well always trying to make sure that people liked you.

You are doing a great job.

You know being popular and setting the right thing and you know I look back at how I was for example in I won't be doing pop idol will definitely cost on Popeyes also you know I had my role Nicki had a role Peter's roll, Simon had his role and you can go go god if I went back now and did that I would be so different on that show but in many respects.

What's interesting about where I am now I don't.

Stuff about most about most of the stuff, so I don't really give a stuff stuff about radio.

I really like radio but you know what if I sat down and talked with the program controller.

Can I have to kiss ass or just say what is expecting me to say I want to have an honest conversation if ended we ended up that meant the I could be on there somewhere or do something else that would be great, but if we didn't agree.

It's not going to happen and I'm not I would pretend anymore and I think it's quite refreshing to get that position.

Will you don't give a stuff I still love radio and I will always love radio on all full of blandness out there at the moment and I would say maybe what radio needs to do now try and sit there and stop being so bland ok, and let's not be scared of not be scared of the streaming platform.

Let's work out why people in the radius not just the music they wanted to hear the sound in every radio station has a personality capital has a different personality the heart.

The different want to kiss magic smooth or got it radio one with all the different personality to them and it's a bit like choosing your friends.

You choose the ones that you think you have the most in common with and want to hang out with everyone wants to be loved but it sometimes it's good that people don't love you all the time.

They might go this person does my head in but at least they have an opinion about you the worst thing is they go that's right.

There's an awful lot of radio around now that we're alright and it's all done well, but it doesn't make you go on my god.

This is brilliant this girl is fantastic or their witty or they know their stuff for you know it's just it's just a noise that's sad because for someone that really has grown up listening to amazing radio and trying to do great radio.

I'd like to be able to get in my car and just hear some stuff.

Just brilliant well.

Hopefully, you'll get some more good feedback about your new shows Sundays 123 heritage shot on United DJs and you do not live far from home.

You didn't happen Studios you recording.

I'm doing it from we doing it live from their Studios and you know it's really good getting love being back in a studio.

That's great energy in a good studio remember the first time I ever went into the Wyvern studio is the first proper in a radio studio ever went into I walked into this as old All-Ireland Studios were.

They were fantastic and way over engineers beautiful wow so went into this lovely thing which is rather nice compared to what was my university radio studio and then The Jock the sky called Sam can do a link and put the mic open that red light came on and it was like the hairs on the back of my next to that was like.

Oh my god.

This is amazing.

It's going out like you're going to hear this and I got to be honest even on Sunday afternoon.

I think I've been doing a 35 years when I got in at studio a Saturday near zabar's mahama the of the equipment and then you go right here we go switchover 321 go.

Shingles on my god, it's like electricity all over again.

It really was and that doctor doctor jingle of talking over the top.

It's like we're back on here as excited.

I really was excited excited for 2-hours came off at the end of the bloody brilliant loved it.

It was it and that's and I haven't actually felt that for a long time and that was it was it was really exciting to have that feeling but I like I've been on and you can what's interesting hours with social media here's the good thing about the modern tag there so many good things that more than two but one of the great thing is if you have your Facebook feed on a whatever you know Twitter feed on and just see you can instantly see this response coming flying back at you you go wow this.

It's alive.

We Are Alive will live on our lives around the world people listening live in their feeding back live and that's a real buzz to really exciting.

Thank you for coming on foxy greatest talk to you Dr Fox

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Reading out full this address as gorgeous delectable Tony Blackburn there who jumped on board the pirate Radio Caroline this week in 1964 he answered an ad in the past and his long career began earlier on because I was listening to earlier on in bed getting up.

I'm just getting in some.

A nice day and have a bit of a cuddle 3 years ago the saviour of Radio 1 hosting the 4 in the morning slot Michael Aspel was a huge capital name for a generation.

He hosted mornings until this in 1984 Dr Hook and the Medicine Show and the Ballad of Lucy Jordan a sad old tale this is some good news for change them to cope with the even more and there's not a bad day at all for the shopping potatoes cabbage sprouts and wings and so let's see what she comes up with the program.

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He went onto house Sundays for a short while before moving on to was seen as a natural descendant of the BBC light programme which began has the forces programme closed this week in 19:45.

Happy 75th anniversary good morning everyone this is BBC light programme on wavelength of 1502 161mm is the first time we've said the BBC light programme are going to meaning for your now and in the days become all his best in radio Entertainment from 9 in the morning and midnight.

I'm handing over the microphone to a colleague will bring you the news.

What was Leeds stopped the wartime practice of saying who the newsreader was and we're wondering out quite what they had to say instead on the University of the light programme.

We had a transatlantic quiz followed by Elvis Dream by wwj cabs and then every bandbox the front page of the radio times was devoted to all the new programming and they were stressing that the broadcasting you will hear in the coming weeks or Mark a great stride forward towards the goal we've set ourselves.

It will not take us to the end of the road and it goes on to say there are many problems production of programme building of the best use of techniques and that also saying that staff are of course returning from from wartime service so do you know it's a little bit like coming back from Covent is that when you listen hello to the BBC live programme this week in 1945 the light programme became Radio 2 22 years later which had this new jingle.

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I write 40 seconds remaining but less than that and the less than that in the World Cup who was Ireland against somebody but it is but we're heartened by the fact that the management of tools that they'll do everything they can lose are this week's radio moments.

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