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BBC sounds music Radio podcasts hello feedback is back and so is covered with a second wave and with it's the BBC medical editor Fergus Walsh he has some timely advice.

I would urge people to look after their mental health and to stay Active and not just to come to bury their head in the sand cos we've all got try to get through.

I'll be asking for this weather the reporting of this disease is getting any easier and whether he can respond to listen this please for some hope amid The encircling Gloom and do you speak differently at work do tone down your accent in an attempt to impress adapting to environment is normal but is not acceptable when exclude one type of person following a Radio 4 documentary about code-switching.

I'll be trying to find out what the term really means and whether it is harmless or dare.

And fireplaces out of your comfort zone feature this week Frank's daughter the one with the laughing face one of the things.

She said was how when she's going to meet Elvis Presley how her car broke down and having to stick a rag in it and set It on Fire every 20-minutes that was very memorable two listeners discuss Radio 6 Music The First Time with Nancy Sinatra do they walk out find out later in feedback la cold over the last time.

I met Fergus was the BBC's medical editor was the last time I was in the BBC studio that was on the 8th of March just over a week before lockdown 7 months later.

I'm still broadcasting from my bedroom and Fergus is still travelling around the country visiting hospitals now.

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Surging a game will you report it differently this time should he do so here's what some of you had to say and unsurprisingly views on mixed Evie Campbell you congratulations you came and Fergus thank you both for the great reporting.

You've delivered day in day out during this covid-19 pandemic.

Do your evidence based research? You were images you have been informative educational and often reassuring Caroline Clarke All Across Britain people are saying so wonderful qualities like imagination and resilience so could I please ask that the BBC's coverage coverage brings in some balance by including some of these great examples Alexander Lumsden for many years I have listen to BBC Radio 4 and in my opinion the porting has been progressively negative in fact on most occasions downright depressive.

Could you please?

Mental health make your reporting more positive and what over report on anyone subject service wash stands with joiners looking back on the coverage.

Obviously we started so much was unknown it must been very difficult to report and to find out things how different is it now in October it is really different because at the Beginning we didn't really know which groups of people and Kobe targeted now.

We know very clearly that it's the elderly and those with underlying conditions who are clearly at most risk and the average age of people dying from Kobe ds-82 in the UK the average age of people going into intensive carers is around 60 and then we all things about long covid which often affects people who never need hospital treatment and who a younger and who were previously fit and that's an emerging.

Problem of potentially huge scale and then we know a lot more about how to combat the disease them, but if you know a lot more about the disease itself.

How about the reporting getting the information finding out what's going on in hospitals around the country and son are you getting better information now.

Yes it in the UK we get remarkably good information in terms of how the Outbreak is progressing in part.

That is through to huge surveys to the done.

The UK's always been very good at epidemiology and one of those is a household survey done by The Office for National Statistics which goes to the same household every week or so and give them swab tests and then we also have this one the reacts survey from Imperial and ipsos mori, and they go every few weeks every month to a representative random sample all across England and these are people.

Who gets a contacted out of the blue and ask would you do a home swab test and as a result of those and then also the testing we have a pretty good idea now unlike in March of how the epidemic is spreading so we're much clearer now on the geographical spread and how quickly the Outbreak is growing some of those who do so ugly face to the Winter coming up and perhaps particularly for those some people have mental health issues, anyway.

We need some help.

I mean news that always focused on the phone on WhatsApp and people know the lies and positive and so on the news represent and you seem to have got this particularly obviously with coving is it possible for you to be at if you like positive to secret positive stories or would that imbalance York will I tend to report on on what's there? And what's important and there have been some really good examples of positive things that have happened, so one is.

Discovery that dexamethasone a very old cheapest chips steroid drug can reduce the likelihood of dying for those sickest patients in intensive care by third now.

We only know that because of a massive trial that was conducted throughout the UK coordinated by the University of Oxford the so-called recovery trial and when they all started and there were a lot of experts why on earth are you putting this drug into trials and the team behind it said you know there's been a lot of talk over the years about the steroids might help dampen the inflammatory nature of the disease and lots because they don't do it because it's pointless, but they did the trials and they got their incredible result of the fantastic thing about it.

Is that is a really cheap drug availability every pharmacy everywhere in the world and it was one of the ones that Donald Trump took.

He then went on to say that he been cured by another one of his treatments and it was nice to see that that that drug is now going through trials again in NHS hospitals and at some point will be able to confirm or reject Donald Trump's assertion that he was cured by this particular drug and it's only through clinical trials that we get that and we've got that result for dexamethasone and other drugs because of the fantastic way people have volunteered in the UK to take part in those and the way in which those trousers have been set up so that's a real feather in the cap for the UK but of course when we get news of vaccine breakthrough as we often had in the past breakthroughs about cancer and son unfortunately be up to the dump and down hope to Adrian people think there's a magic bullet and there isn't on this there isn't an eye I think it's absolutely essential and all the vaccine.

Developers that I'm talking to are telling me they are not cutting any corners.

They are simply accelerating the process by which they do all of the trials and they're an extraordinary 42 coronavirus Vaccines actually in human trials absolutely mind-boggling that we should have that for a virus was only discovered at the end of last year and we only had the genetic code for it in early January and I will hope that will get some at signals within the next month or two about whether any of them are effective and what their safety profile is but don't expect them to be the last word on this.

I'm not anticipating a purse vaccine in terms of absolutely stopping the virus first time round.

It's more likely that we may have something that is partially effective and the very least reduces the

Interview falling ill, I'm even that would be a major development and looking forward to the way in which are going to cover this if I was you the temptation to stay in my room would be very considerable.

We've seen you do extraordinary possible Frontline very early on with the complete Gear on and so did you get scared yourself? I mean going into those places and the toll actually I trust in the protective equipment follow the same protocols as the staff who are going in day in day out and I follow the rules and I don't personally have any anxiety at all about covered from the work.

I do and I shall carry on going into intensive care units I was in a clinical trials unit only a few days ago with a coma patients and I shall carry on doing that is an essential part of my job and find me but could you give us a word for advice because when I last talked to you said.

There was no need to stop by toilet rolls and you were right about that anymore advice.

I think my advice would be you've got to pace yourself for next 6-months.

I'm concerned that this is going to be a very long haul, so it's a people need to paste themselves and I would urge people to look after their mental health and to stay and not just to confirm bury their head in the sand but to do that because we've all got to try to get through this and let you know this going to be up a long time before I think these restrictions are lifted our thanks to Fergus wash the BBC's medical editor and please do let us know what you think about that interview and of course anything else to do with BBC Radio this is how I can get in touch you can send an email to feedback at bbc.co.uk or write a letter to the address is feedback PO Box 672 34.

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We have relaxing originally from Walsall now living in London and kamlesh lakhani from Nottingham lock.

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Just a minute and the Life Scientific with Jamaica really found it fascinating program well.

We're asking just 6 Music and a program called the first time in this edition Matt had an interview with Nancy Sinatra daughter of Frank and opossum positioning write a program that was recorded the entry was originally recorded in 2015.

There was not transmitted there.

How do you describe the programme explain what it's about matches interviewing famous musicians and trying to get to grips with their lives were 10 points in a nice journey.

Really was a good pic as a subject.

I think I've never heard before and her Frank Sinatra what did you think of the first time is nice for what a person her father has obviously Frank Sinatra and the way she talked about the other famous people should come across Elvis Presley when she went to Consett

Backstage listen to father I mean she gave us such an insight into what it's like to be there when the history is made.

I thought she's absolutely the perfect person but I remember the night Lisa Marie was born and Elvis called me on the phone.

I mean that's how close we were and and the fact that I didn't stay in touch with him haunts me to this day and hurts my heart but a good guy despite the whole world around it an amazing person so loving so generous of spirit and material things and it just a wonderful guy shooting at fuckers works to talk about the early years of musicians development and the music that influence them.

You're not just the successes if you like, but the buildup do you think that's a good area to focus yes, I think I was very good.

I don't think the program achieves that I didn't find and like like I didn't engage with this program at all and didn't engage.

Nancy I felt that the presented could have really dug into a lot more personal elements about the life.

It was a little bit superficial is scratching the surface.

I think I probably good comments on the questions of cuddle the last me for example one thing that you have obviously Frank Sinatra a lot of trouble when his name was associated with the mafia the Mob but it's in their pocket and that question should be nice what I had on Frank Sinatra affected on the Mechanics difficult to be called Sinatra I mean everybody wants to talk to you really like your father and hurt yourself and she has a considerable musical understandable that you trying to focus on her grandfather, but they're coming completely get and lot of people say that because so many people want the interviews when you get the interview you can't ask them very tough questions because you scared about the phone down and whatever and so interview again pop programmes tends to be well.

I wanted sycophantic but rather gentler than Elsewhere and that's just a fact of life innit.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think.

Nice to because she's such a famous celebrity in the form that background to just know a little bit about the Hard Times because I think that it's the tough times that make a personality you know it was actually relationship with the parents.

He's had any any struggles that would be really interested to hear that because specially for the generation of people that listening to it if they're older that's fine before the allergen too late tonight.

It's something more person would have been very good.

I think I'm going to have a really good point because for me your 6 Music has always been Sunday for alternative Music beware of the younger generation you think what is going on here.

What am I listening to this but for me? I'd say I think it did as best as he could under the restrictions and I do they told me they probably was that idea that I can't upset because I want to get to the bottom of her life.

What is about matter if then as a presenter because he's got prudential Caesar musician is alright.

Clearly is somebody who knows what he's talking about didn't.

Over popped the question was great and talk which is great.

We want a couple of times.

I was thinking about you.

What do you think of this? What did you think of this particular song? What do you mean the bit where he said the moment of things that done? She did Ringo me Frank Sinatra was a great singer, but you also bought out the fact that he was a very good musician himself and he's now she said that when the recordings if there's a bad note played he would spot it instantly.

I mean like it's such a gift and positions to appreciate that more cameras.

Oh, yeah, I think about music in the music industry, but it was a bit of setback.

I think you should have engaged lot more maybe I don't know if you connected himself personally with that era of music that was a reason but yeah, I don't think he came across very strong in that particular program.

Will I suppose that present on the subject of salad different ambition to the programme the subject Nancy Sinatra probably hopefully going to listen to music now.

Are you going to do that? I probably I did like this song is there so yeah and black? What about the series itself Matt everitt series first you going back from absolutely.

I've only looked up the website and love to somebody that people that are like Elton John and Noel Gallagher's I'll definitely would go and don't listen but tomorrow if that's I'm Kansas you going back from oh, yes, I would I think I'd select who the person is being interviewed like like said if it's Elton John somebody that I'm more interested in somebody younger brother rock people that going to sing at the start one of the things.

She said was how when she's going to meet Elvis Presley how her car broke down and talking about the carburettor.

I will always remember that because you think how many kids in about carburettors and having to stick a dragon it and setting on fire every 20-minutes and that that that was very memorable and would like more sort of personal things like that.

That's good, but you're going to go back.

I know the answers the question I want to ask you what you had become we failed here.

You would definitely in it and thank you very much.

Thank you.

I wonder if Nancy Sinatra switch Jackson yet code-switching after listening to Radio 4 programme about it by Lukas Graham some of us still confused Lucas discussed her personal experience of code-switching as a black woman in a documentary broadcast at the end of August I'm going to let you in on a secret code switching is common among a lot of black and ethnically diverse people we do it to be accepted and to progress in whitemud spaces in this program, Explorer for years and communities have changed and Lucas grey, Westfield London

To change the pitch and tone of voice and multicultural London English accent known as Emily and some mannerisms when she enters white the charity spaces in the documentary as well trying on her personal experience she talk to friends and experts about the impact of speaking with a pronounced accent the way I interpret bad.

Is that in a sense listeners were rewarding the my speaker for what they assumed to be suppressing his accent and in a way furnishing the person of the strong accent for seeming to have not made enough of an effort another proof that you get good points for code switching from Emily maybe that's why researchers have also found that the accident as they enter into their 30s Lukas Graham this is what you have to say about her programme Ethan military the programme on code-switching was interesting I realise I done it naturally from an early age my London rally.

Speak with their local accent but we moved to the northwestern Suburbs when I was very young at the Outbreak of War I was always conscious that when visiting the family and my accent child with ears when I went to my grammar school my accent changed Rebecca Gregory switching is not about oppression of people and denying them who they really are it is essential for mutual understanding and a courtesy to the listener who will not be able to understand the speakers own version of English Yorkshire I have difficulty understanding what is being said by those from Liverpool Glasgow etc.

We can't have broadcasters lawyers and so on to speak of version of ink that many people do not understand.

We can enjoy your own versions of English within our own Communities and with our families but need to code switch to be understood in the wider world.

This is not some.

Exclusive to Black Communities well, no 1 from the BBC was available to talk to us, but I'm delighted to be joined Now by Margaret deuchar emeritus professor at Bangor University and an affiliated lecturer University of Cambridge in linguistics and she specialises in code-switching you contacted us after the program was broadcast and one of these you highlight use the understanding of what code switching means.

What does it mean to you? I have been Oxford English Dictionary dated the definition.

So I'll just read it to you should have shifting between two or more languages or between dialects or registers of a language within a day especially in response to a change in social context and that is similar to the definition.

I've been using for a while.

From one language sentence for example in Wales done a lot of research established in linguistics the black community predates it if you like.

It's all over the place.

It has to talk about general table saw the title of the programme.

I'm interested in these sort of Assumption of the Assumption in the programme was this code-switching was wrong.

I couldn't be done and I think.

do you believe it actually is natural that we all do it too early to put that on different occasions and according to who is speaking to your society such as African countries were children learning Three Bridges at the same time using one with the father one with another one in the village when in school and son to think that we should just be using particular language, but we're in the minority the rest of the world as a whole range of languages and people usually grow up speaking several 6 between dialect and language if I talk about my personal that but if I talk to them I would tend to talk in Cumbria or different words but certainly sounds like a different when I'm talking about Jen

Sad modified my Northern accent, but the crucial thing I suppose is why you're doing this you do this presumed to be understood the first prerequisite is that works in the people understand each other patient concept also used in social psychology that we accommodate or change according to who was speaking to the kind of relationship established towards the person I met speak more like I want to make friends with you.

I want you to like me at don't want you to like me actually speaking very much more different from Juventus away, but language is also been you certainly in the past two measured you like social difference.

Yes, I remember many people who voted directions or change their accents entirely I mean in terms of broadcast to another Joan Bakewell telling me that she had a broad Stockport accent Sue Lawley had quite a Wolverhampton accent in both of them decided to change in order to be understood, but then you look at somebody else who would change in order to be accepted in a higher social class so that also other reasons are social reasons if you like the changing ones accent Welsh speakers to insert a few words from English everybody in Wales speaks English as well as well, but if they come doesn't know anything about the Welsh speak English as you say to be understood.

What's a minority groups fail is often that they have to change their accent or modify the language because they are represented as being inferior if they don't change their voices and this under the suspicion that actually we don't respect certain dialect if you like or modified languages as much as we respect others and if you want to develop in society.

You have to agree to model which parts people say wired up this modern.

Why can't I be true to where I come from ok? Having a modified a little bit but not too much early in our Society the fact that the people who speak standard English are also the people with the most power interest in our Society and inviting in Wales as well people.

Look down and think that everybody should speak English so the same thing applies to that can be.

On the part of people who don't share the culture or the attitudes of the minority groups absolutely I think it does apply to a lot of minority groups that feeling that adapt my thanks to market dukkha emeritus professor of Bangor University and an affiliated lecturer at the University of Cambridge and you can still catch code-switching by Lukas Graham on BBC sounds and that's it for this week.

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