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BBC sounds music Radio podcasts from BBC Radio 4 hello and welcome to this podcast from the media show and congratulations on finding the subscribe button and joining our family news is the first rough draft of history this phrase was popularized by Philip Graham of the Washington Post they didn't come up with it well last Wednesday January 6th 2021 history was made in Washington and the journalist who got closest to it.

Where British experience was raffle right Robert Moore ITV Washington correspondent and Washington produces Sophie Alexander were together with their caravan, the only TV in the world who are with the in as they stormed the capitol building Robert and Sophie that with us now guys welcome.

You're safe.

You're well.

You're very very good to see you.

Thank you so much for making the time so.

Start with you take us back to last Wednesday morning if you were due in Washington what was your plans for the day well, obviously we knew but plans are afoot trump.

The president was speaking at a rallying.

We've been following obviously history, but what specifically is ardent right-wing supporter story for you know well over a year now.

We've seen how things have progressed from his loyalists of just writing his name to becoming very very angry at what they deemed you know a fraudulent election so we had a meeting the night before we knew that thousands more going to be descending on DC then perhaps another time so the five of us in the Bureau met in the morning and then Robert myself in our caravan Mark Davey decided to head down to speak to the trump loyal.

A few interviews and watch the president speech perhaps, what was the final time and then what happened after trump spoke did you guys Stay Together Robert did you do something else that to you? What do you do after trump spoke mean on my secret weapon in all of this is this is a bicycle because what I do is when we have hundreds of thousands of people in Washington and manoeuvre around police checkpoints.

I abandoned my car and I go on my bike if I did that morning and use ladders Michael you know transport of choice so I was on my bike I play soccer around through a few checkpoints and met up with the my team Sophie Alexander Mark Davey just outside on the south side of the white house and then we began to to filming to record many hours before the storming of congressman, already that morning but also the previous day.

I was hearing whispers of something dramatic across social media where you know.

Militia groups and meeting I got some contacts in the Militia groups who were also saying look at the moment of danger is before inauguration not immediately after the election.

I was sensing something is wrong as the previous week to my boss is my Elvis's in London and ITV News at setting up something is brewing here.

We need to be resource for this moment and and then I told Sophie and Mark and they have this instant in them anyway.

Just be super vigilant because this can go wrong very fast and then we make sure I peeled off to do a a report from the evening news on ITV and I do a live to get some context and they had moved quickly along to Congress and that's where they are but that's what they were and I joined them when things began began to release of become very volatile very precarious that was the moment when we realised this was going to go from a O'Reilly into a riot.

I'm very possibly into Insurrection

So fascinating so it shows starting out and sometimes you just have to hang around so Sophie you were there with the trump supporters after trump President Trump spoke that morning.

Have you guys so, what did you go back to the euro to do the evening work exactly right? I was in The Bureau on the roof doing the live report in the Edit suite doing a quick pull together for our Evening News eating Sophie and Mark to make sure we missed nothing on the ground.

So you done alive on what time is the six oclock news here in the UK that gives you 5 hours or 4/2 hours different to Washington Sophie at what point after what does the Liver do you get in touch with him a message on WhatsApp you can get him call him we were speaking on the phone and WhatsApp and obviously signal is a bit when you've got thousands of people in one place, but we managed to keep in contact her out which is always crucial to these kind of things is communication.

So you and Mark David Cameron round of it.

Take us to the moment when you're saying too.

Actually, she's kicking off you.

Get her back it to Rome Gathering shorts keeping an eye on what was going on and it really did feel like the air changed is it best way I can describe it something just felt different Mark can I also noticed a man walking past us wielding big flag with a spear on the top which is something.

I've not seen before a previous trump rallies.

So immediately got my new sense going because ok this man is visibly armed with a sphere.

You know so I mean before tweets Congress because there were thousands them it did take some time so Mark and I sort of positioned in the middle of the mall the crowd of slowly moving past us.

With them and then we did hear two booms and I just thought ok.

That's unusual that it wasn't definitely didn't sound like a shot, but I had two very noisy booms which later turned out to be teargas cannons so that's when Robert Anaya in communication.

I think he'd had a tip off as well, but there was some fighting broke out at Congress so immediately we knew we had to get to the front and we had to be in a position to see what was about to erupt ok.

You're talking really about the prospect of violence people who haven't been in that situation Robert do you when you encounter him? Take your CV experienced senior correspondent when you're about to encounter violence is there any sense which you have to get into the sign off you have to talk to home does yo insurance policies kick in if you're about to enter go into a potentially violent situation what editorial checks.

Do you need to go through?

To the credit of my boss is back in London you know they and this is one of the defining features of working for ITV News it's been a long tradition of ITM is a trustis.

We feel that the Field of the week and exercise are in judgement.

So if I proceeded to dangerous.

I got Sophie your mark on myself wearing your address is your lives.

You know I would be with obviously what we did and but also if we want to push the envelope everyone you're right up to the the Frontline of a volatile situation.

I thought I have the confidence and can honestly the experience to do that and not to feel intimidated by a crowd but I was in a very vigilant as to what people doing in that situation.

I must be looking people not their faces the hands.

I'm looking at them with their hands to try and get a sense of how quickly things might be moving in a joiner.

I was looking to see if any sidearms round this day.

I realise they wouldn't be kind of what they called.

So wouldn't be kind of semi-automatic so on because it's not allowed in on Capitol Hill and that would be kind of a red line, but I was looking for whether people had baseball bats whether they had any knives on them and we're looking I'm always looking at hands and I'm sure Sophie is always looking at our back to make sure that there is approaching us from behind so you know we have a can of understood protocol of how we operate also keen you know not to take a risk but to make sure we're on the camera front row.

You know the Old ITV News ITN tradition is to become of try make visceral television raw television in the way of the story.

Just do a fly-on-the-wall type of film and that was absolutely are journalistic kind of Instinct that day don't over report it be eyewitnesses roll on the camera Graham people as a running down the corridor make everything can a spontaneous and organic if you like will try and do something a bit different that moment I think that's what carat is to try and get this sense.

What time folding in people's eyes make sure that the viewer is trying to be in there with us rather than that over analysing overthinking until I understand.

I am still here are we can have the camera on the floor.

He wants he can have it pointing any Direction it doesn't matter we're just your it can be our eyes at that moment and I think that's why I reported maybe I'd documentary was so successful in its about just taking the viewer into that moment.

So if you what is a producer's job in that moment safety top priority.

You know Mark has got his eyes in the camera.

So he is he effectively cannot see what's to the side of him or to the back of him.

So I am his eyes and ears because he does know if someone's going to be running to the side running from behind him staying with Robert you know Roberts got his eyes on the crowd used to see who the best person to interview his eye and making sure that we once.

Weather because the worst thing you can do in that situation is separate and to that Robert and Mark on surprised by anything you know safety absolutely in a writer situation is the number one priority in that was achieved on the day or will get to The Action just before we do that.

We talking lunch time in Washington and know it sounds been I'll have you eaten.

I'm a long time is breakfast and you going to busy busy for the next 2 hours.

What was going on because you know I've done these long days and not least in Washington and New York and your tummy is rumbling before you embark on this stuff breakfast guy ok.

Are you going to be a breakfast bowl of porridge or we like to call oatmeal and that stood me up and I'll tell you what it is.

I'm going to be a big story.

I definitely need breakfast first lunch.

Play bell escape if I have to breakfast before I like you.

That's a given every day of the week.

I mean you've been there watching is Trump supporters.

I mean it's gone.

It's gone past its pretty for 5 hours since you've eaten back on the toughest imagine the toughest project if you're a very distinguished so far pretty short Korean brilliantly young producer had your lunch as what I want to know well.

I haven't had breakfast which I will now changed forever based on last Wednesday's I will now eat at least a banana every morning for the rest of my life.

Just in case I encounter a riot with hungry.

Do you get to seeing you do come back on your bike from the Bureau is that how you got there? And what did you see? What do with it? Yeah actually abandon, my bike at this point and because the proximity.

Run run on a story but I have to say I ran physically ran from the Bureau over a Pennsylvania Avenue and my real connecting a game with Sophie and Mark because I realised it was a volatile crowd now or they were police lines a policeman tried to stop me Crossing Pennsylvania Pennsylvania Avenue said there is no way you can cross that road.

I said I was the Genesis just made no difference at all.

I thought crimez imagine if this story is lost because of 1 police officers instructions, but fortunately he was distracted about it later.

I saw a looking other way.

I just ran across the road and then ducked into a crowd make sure that he saw me he couldn't sort of extract me so it's often successes comes back.

Please officer haven't looked away.

You know it might have been a different outcome.

So you know I'm grateful to the officer who everything he is and then I connected with with the guys and I was thrilled to see them and then.

Almost immediately within 2 or 3 minutes the crowd began moving right into Congress WhatsApp those out exterior stairs marble stairs and I realise this was going from as a variety into an Insurrection we're on the brink of a really big story and I always knew he was going to significant only at that moment did I realise we were going to be eyewitnesses the history of those haven't seen it.

I really do 7-minute report of yours of your on the day report as it work which is already the stuff of Legend that report starts with you.

Robert quite.

Very well in your you're a long way further than any other TV crew.

How did you guys get so into the middle of the thousands of the word? You know you weren't at the fringes and you're the only people there.

You know presuming on the sort of jobs and pass you be looking at the TV to get so well set so far in when I asked you that Sophie actually.

Truthfully we just knew we had to be at the front quite simple you know we saw that this was unprecedented if not unexpected and we just pushed her away from we climbed a couple of walls.

We follow the crowd we saw them breaking into the inauguration stage and we position ourselves in the perfect place for the shot truth do start to worry because I was looking around as well.

There is no other TV cruise here whatsoever and I started to worry then that we're in the wrong place, but you kind of just stick with your instinct and we did and it was right of those people as we've seen to Spires journalists.

Did you get people Sophie saying to you? Who the you know? Are you? What are you doing here? You're the problem fake news media etc.

Well, we did spot on the doors to the capital someone had screw the phrase murder the media.

Notices we went in so you mean we're going into a situation that is unprecedented as I said and we know we are not going to be popular and we are going to stick out.

It was only inside really weather a couple of moments including one moment when a crowd of men and camouflage or wielding is heavy wooden sticks did circle round us demanding to know where we were from what fake news outlet we were from that we talk we took them down during the asking hold your Sophie did you pay for your life as you entered the building?

No, truthfully no, I I knew I was in a dangerous situation.

I knew one of the dangers could have been being crushed actually before the crowd actually managed to break through the doors the cross with immense there are so many Furious people just swarming and pushing at one stage.

I was crushed from all sides, so I just grab Mark's backpack, Robert arm and pulled us to the side and that got out of the way of that immediate danger, but I I just we just carried on I was aware of making everyone safe in the situation, but no I wasn't for my life was aware of the weather to be careful and then shortly after that said the the words that all Creations do in these situations which is there's a piece of camera.

Professional assessment be the kind of establish yourself in the situation, but now working in a world.

Where is you know hundreds of thousands of social media are operated in a lot of people just activist if you like many people were live streaming at event.

You know the actual protesters the interaction is Richard live stream music as they went in do I am aware that you know one of my rolls isn't just a film because a lot of people that are filming in terms of a social media protesters.

My role is also to try and give it just a little bit of context out about blending when I spoke about before that that raw sense of us going in that fly on the wall style recording but just punctuating it has the best way to say punctuated with just a little bit of context and analysis to help with you understand where we are for example.

Maybe do it.

What time of day are we in and then just a let it float about bringing in a little bit of analysis as soon as soon as a navigation tool for viewers, but other is not too kind of over insert yourself into the story the first piece of camera that I saw you do Robert in that 7-minute clip is on the steps.

You're surrounded by insurrectionist writers many of them have whether the arm depends what we mean by on weapons in about to break into the building but you're feeling at that point your question.

You know I tend to compartmentalize a bit so I am Focus really on trying to get the best pictures.

We can you know where in television news is distinctive in the sense that you know we going to be in the greatest place on the planet and the most exciting place on the planet, but if not filming it then you know it.

That's not we're not doing a Judy so I was very concerned about what mark what?

What was in I was also try to come as I say keep an eye on people's hands to make sure that they weren't reaching for any weapons that could directly threaten as I was worried about Sophie what was behind her so she's giving out of my back.

I'm keeping her back.

It's that kind of collaboration and then to be honest.

I want to make absolutely sure I'm really focus on keeping at the front.

I don't wanna be behind the front line because they gonna break into the building don't want to be very sure the we don't get stopped.

You know after a couple of people are in there.

So so my next kind of effort was to make sure that we didn't can of delay the actual threshold at the broken door and the smashed window where people was clearly about to dive into the very corridors of power is exactly what was put in.

No way.

Is this a surprise? It has been fuelled by the Presidents rhetoric and it's increasingly clear this election has not healed the room it was simply.

We followed the aggrieved and infuriated trump supporters as they stormed the building through broken windows and doors.

They had forced opened.

Is there a profound profound danger they rob if you're trying to get to the front in this extraordinary dynamic the scary situation potentially arm police officers on the other side of the front.

Don't know your journey from ITN I mean that we can the police police who I know weapons on us particularly.

You know the Old sort of adage of sort of War reporting.

You want to get between the two front lines.

You know you want to be with one side or the other do not get caught in the middle.

Otherwise you will pay with your life.

So that's true, but it's also true that you know if we've seen a police officer.

I would have immediately shouted.

Press British TV and try to identify ourselves extremely quickly if anybody pulled the weapon out you got a camera course which is used within in establishing that your holidays from are these highly identify cameras and you think I'll be a professional news crew what we were shooting on isn't actually that different from up for the interaction as well live streaming to the can of families back home.

So it is a confusing situation.

I want a big concerns in this can a new world and so small cameras is it is increasingly difficult for nervous police officer or nervous soldier to distinguish between an activist and a member of the press television crew you know that old distinction when you can see your television through a mile away because of the size of a camera boom mic and all that stuff.

That's all over we are now on the front line and we look to all intents and purposes.

It's actually like an Insurrection is but I'm aware of that John tronic anticipate that any police officer I see my contact where that may be holding up my personal.

Which is a well-understood as a symbol that I'm also in a pie prepared to shout loudly prest prest British TV I'm also trying to make contact with Direction is all around me making eye contact them making sure that they know you know I'm British but I'm not a modern American reporter that helps certainly cannot take away some of the anger and if I see somebody Hughes like 20s and 30s looks like he's a veteran.

I'll even throw in there as I did on many occasions as we were crossing the threshold.

I'll say we thought on the battlefield to be rock and Afghanistan together and tell them actually the Brits and Americans on the same side and that is a very disarming back for some of them.

You know they see a sudden has allied so I introduce that Mark Davies got the Old taxi.

I'm Irish I don't have a dog in this fight.

I don't like the Brits out there.

He is great.

You know so he just with the Irish line.

You look like you might be a veteran you know you but you know we thought on in the trenches of the circle of the first world war we've been on the battlefields of many wars since then so don't take me to record what you're doing.

So it's about building relationships in any circumstances and anytime with whoever you can quickly so they don't see you as a hostile Force bulletproof.


No, I don't know I'd not definitely I was just letting you know my regular.

You know casual clothes in a way.

I mean I wasn't going shooting tie, but I was just moving around I want to be fast and I don't didn't do a gas mask I didn't do a flak jacket.

I want to be my for me Makita my safety as I judge.

It is mobility you know speed Sophie Bazaar of Duty is when you're in the middle of this extraordinary unfolding see which I have say watching it.

I find it hard to fathom washing machines and you are there in a bit I eat.

Do we need to be on the phone to the desk back at home? You want to go to this live or you just think let's gather pictures gather pictures got the pictures show that we're at the heart of things for the bulletin report whenever it might be it's together.

You know there is no way we could have set up for a live shot as you've got you know hundreds of men with baseball bats in their backpack streaming past you know as Robert rightly said you know where potentially already ate are get my being journalist, so if you sort of decide to try and stick up a like down in the middle of the coming Insurrection I do not think you're going to be very successful, so I know it was together and he's making called when to do a piece to camera when to do but I can just imagine you saying I think it's a good moment to do some vox pops you guys get some remarkable and the remarkable footage it is extraordinary of of the interactionist and what they have to say at what point?

Make a judgement now the time speak to people.

Well, Robert want to go head upside sure I mean I mean I was a very aware that there wasn't anger around as Fury and I've seen a lot of Anger in America or passion doing it so trump army story if you like in Aldi's trump rallies were people are very animated.

I've never seen anything quite like that and it drove my can you know the we were inside Congress I knew that we had to stop people and grab them.

I don't want to do in a formal way, so we literally as they were running we were just started off actually with the same to a woman sort of question.

Why are you stalking Congress I don't want too complicated for them.

I want to capture something Mistral it was quite deliberately chosen is the leading but slightly naive question.

What are you doing? It was kind of meant to elicit a reaction of Uno

Have you got your taxi to do this and not make a complicated question you know what's what's body on loaded.

Just why you know that tomorrow so a bit worried that so often produces in the moment Rider wall quite strong reactions and they said our house our house because they stole the election and that's sense of ownership.

Didn't feel that they belong here.

It was there real estate and it was the most striking take away from me of the hour.

I was in there is they didn't regard themselves as intruders doesn't belong to those to the Congress men and women who belongs to ask the American people that is very uniquely American this sensor.

It's of people's house.

It doesn't exist in the palace.

It was very striking at in those few minutes at inside Congress protesters tear down.

Here we are right now inside the Halls of Congress is exactly what so many anticipated and get the capital control the situation.

You guys are confronted a very difficult and haunting site when you included shots of Ashley Batley 35 Royal Air Force veteran, just after she'd been shot can just take us that moment did you see her being shot? No we didn't see her being shot.

We saw her into the building and we've you know we have started early so high like that because it's been helpful to know at the exact timings of friends that time as she entered so she is to help through the window by militiamen who grabs her quickly and with some agility get through the window and then runs down the corridor and the next we see is is captured by a another.

4media video journalist who captures the moment when she's trying to clamber up timer over the furniture that's been round up against the speakers lobby and Anna security agent is on the other side of the furniture and he opens fire at tutor and unfortunately you know she did subsequently died of her other forgive me forgive me.

I didn't catch the original footage of her being shot was there any discussion any debate in your mind about whether or not? You should then film that I suppose you gather it and they make a separate editorial decision-making abilities exactly and directions of Nancy Pelosi his office the Speaker of the House and they're a very dramatic scene to say so tear down her name played off the off the wall this smashing it and stamping it on the ground and then there's a moment when somebody looks me and look for stands for a barrel of a camera and says who are you? Who are you and I think you're ok.

So he could be arm.

I'm looking for his hands again.


Shards of wood in there and think I could there there's an immediate danger, but actually interestingly he then can racist water so far from heinous actually wants to explain his Motives to so if suddenly that sort of a moment that changes when we go from being a hostile presents almost being kind of a megaphone for him and he said he shouting at us about why he's there and why it's unfair that relies him.

He said look I didn't come here with violent intentions.

I've been criminalized buy my own government this sense of grievance that these interactions have and so again we can get away with that because he was looking to be kind of eventually attacking.

Yes, but in the end.

He saw as somebody who could amplify his message from enemy to Ally and I just take it back to the the editorial consideration and your experiences you applied it to that actually bad situation.

There is there are those who would say that once it became clear very sadly that actually babbitt this veteran died that footage.

Pools from Twitter that you know did disrespectful to the family I guess but it's it breaks convention.

What would you say about the night that footage obviously the edge of the internet is out there, but should you have pulled actually babbitt from your coverage 11 conversation that I would have with my head is back in London we would try and with you mostly as I said you will be making an instant decisions on what to do and trusting own Instincts that sort of editorial called that.

I would consult with one of my editors quickly if necessary when I'm in the Edit suite are so lucky.

No we do a bit Village or order is available on social media should be included and that is a judgement or we will discuss and I'll try and make it I just wondered whether it can be married to in terms of the Uno news agenda.

Whether it's driving that the political debate here.

Maybe or whether you know cos we do we wanna and I just stress or you know I'll viewers excessively we want to tell the story but without.

Personal language, so that's a judgement.

We would make you both was the moment which you were most scared for me.

I think it was when there was a man who has so but then if I had had a flag that I can provide spare and he lunged towards us.

This is just inside we just across the threshold about 3 minutes later a while back.

He was had a wild-eyed.

I have a big beard and maybe he was intoxicated.

Not just so metaphorically with the head yet.

Maybe sometime medication or something or always drinking that he did seem pretty while he obviously been made by the police officers outside dimensions of pepper spray and his is streaming as well.

So he was a pretty intimidating figure.

You seem to be armed with a flagpole is here.

It's cheers running down his eyes.

He was wild I did seem to be intoxicants any other flagpoles.

Was watching extremely carefully and suddenly I saw him lunch towards us I tried to parry him Mark safe, and then it became clear that he wasn't spread he again wanted to deliver this kind of you know reanimated message and he just shouted one word into a camera America and it was ok a moment.

There was very dramatic but also I realised actually he was unlikely to harm us.

So if you was at the moment for you where you actually felt most potentially at risk wasn't actually as I mentioned before it was just as we're on the steps.

Just at the moment before the crowds broke down the doors and whereabouts is Storm the capital as when we're in this Crush of people and I just immediately remembered.

What my dad is told me which is you know you can get crushed to death in a crowd of too many people and I immediately just remembered what my dad is said about how dangerous a tightly packed crowd of people can be in that.

I looked at the corner of my eye I saw a tiny sort of gap on a step and that's when I pulled myself Robert and Mark towards it just give us a bit of breathing spaces at that stage.

My chest was feeling pretty tight because I was so crammed among these people I noticed Robert that you were wearing a mask for some of the questioning and obviously the piece of camera that you weren't wearing is that right and does that is as a point when you're actually covidsafe UK restrictions and how they interpreted something that we just have to put aside for second.

We are weather is dual danger danger getting physically hurt and I cannot aggressive crowd but there is something that we are working at on the Frontline in a time of a pandemic.

So you know we were very masks with careful to give us a maximum safety we can but you know yeah that there are moment.

I might drop my mask primarily if I feel like I'm more than 6 feet away.

We careful about it.

You know we balance said and I try and make sure that I'm always wearing a mask when I'm in your immediate proximity proximity of people but it's also true to say that you know if I'm trying to do it quick interview.

I might drop my mask for a second if I'm more than 6 feet away in order to make sure that I'm heard so it's blend of Frontline report but also making sure that I don't bring you back to my Bureau disabled.

We're not we go from here to zero very fast if I suddenly found that I was covered in and disable the entire ITV News operation through the inauguration.

Is it a big story about but I must have a word with the bigger story we always are in this business and the biggest we can always be tomorrow.

So it's not about just even even in that story.

I'm at that moment you hang on a second mister test quickly even bigger tomorrow, so hard job is also the stay healthy and safe for the next story and Sophie the FBI are reportedly using your footage to help identify protesters.

They spoken to you.

Subpoenaed your Ashes maybe I am happy to say that the request is coming from the Capitol Hill threat assessment unit but I'll position is always going to be clear on the same all is we're going to say and then this comes from my lawyers in London but we're happy for them to see footage that has already been broadcast.

We will not handover are Russia's we went with Alex Pacific court order and so that may that we may be supino them then maybe Acorah coming our way in which case you'll be a legal decision the company makes but apparently he's going to be corporately is that we don't ever been in a situation where those on one side of this great divide feel that way to operate the other side so we will only do it under court order and Sophie just for the Producers amongst the audience was all this on a single card in a camera which is that card is pretty valuable and also how.

Did you in terms of Russia's how much did you have in total?

2 cards gods very carefully lock and key and Albion put on hard drives, which you know in a safe secured by guard and dogs two cards and subsequently on hard drives and so I forgot how much how much do you have in terms of Russia's an hour and a half 90 minutes journalistic glory if I mean a former newspaper First News broadcast I've got to put that you would just three years ago the printing is working for the Daily Star if you'd said when you're out of the Daily Star 3 years later you're going to be in the middle of history and you just said that sounds alright as long as you're going to turn out safe.

Yeah, you're completely right.

I made the transition from tabloid hack to TV producer and yeah, I think you're looking back there were those moments when I was at the star and I thought quite fancy not writing about EastEnders page three girls and footballers anymore so I decided to you know something a little more serious, but yeah, I think even the days when I was in Folkestone at the Folkestone Herald pounding the streets talking to locals about the local election other newly built you know Civic Centre I don't think if you told me that a few years later.

I'd be in the middle of history in Washington DC and the only one the only producer there.

I would have believed it at all, but yeah definitely the right to make a move.

What's the future hold for you.

So if you're going to get in front of the camera.

Absolutely not I like being behind the scenes.

You know I like being behind the scenes.

I like orchestrating things directing people Robert can stand in front of the camera.

Joe's pizza PC camera, but I've absolutely no interest whatsoever in getting in front of the camera.

I'd like to keep producing and you know keep on with the foreign news for sure Robert is you're very good at it.

You must have had a huge huge huge interest from American networks chat shows no doubt book deals Robert you can be done for a long time.

She is being the basic response in America yeah, it's been really American and British and people have been I've been just wonderful complementary about about the journalism on that day, but also about ITV News

The bottom line here in Washington with all of us you no notice of British press and TV pool, where all bodies you know I've got tremendous respect the Jon Sopel and the BBC football danahar got tremendous respect for the Sky News guys here and Amanda you know the Wirral friends, so it looks like there's no sense of satisfaction.

We were there, but I'm also aware there tomorrow.

They could be a bigger story that they screwed me on and it's you know we enjoy your scoops.

You know when we get them but we're also you know you've been in this game long enough as they say you go from here.

I'll be doing lunchtime live for offer and everyone thinking that Robin was useless so lovely meal.

We have if you're in this day long and I'll pay my like you have been then internet in newspapers and and and in broadcasting and you realise it that where he is.

Good at last story and what you need is a great deal of humility and realise that actually you know we're not we're just we're just tell me now.

It sounds almost potentially just telling other people's stories and another a bigger things at stake then then then who gets one particular scoop you know this is a country that is is in turmoil.

I got I live in America I have to some years.

I got friends who were in you know in serious distress anguish about the state of this country.

I've got neighbours.

You are talking to each other because Alba on different sides of the kind of trump divide so I am aware that you know this is a wheel of journalism.

We'll have a good scoop of course you know it's good traditions in the BBC and ITV ferociously on the ground but also you know I understand that you know it's bigger than US I mean we're just telling a story and and you know it is it isn't a big deal tomorrow.

We just get on with the way that's coming away very well said very well, Robert Moore ITV Washington correspondent and Sophie Alexander former reporter for the Folkestone Herald and Washington produce of Rosie thank you so much.

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