Read this: Greatest Hits Radio breakfast presenter Simon Ross talks to our guest host Pete Snodden

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Thank you Pete for coming on and holding the fort has it worse when I had Simon Ross was being interviewed by on This podcast not only was I delighted but I had to dig out some of the old drops.

I had from his show and rock FM in the 90s music powered half hour you wondering how the voice of JJ McKay who is the voice of the station Blackburn will crack on and Handover to Pete who's talking to Simon about his journey from Radio

Can Ireland to Australia and then on to England they discuss regional accents on National radio and whether the person in between the songs is more important than ever to be here on the radio Today programme so I'm sure you can tell from my accent that I'm from Northern Ireland but don't worry there will be no talk of brexit the Irish sea border or the Northern Ireland I can assure you of that you can find me each morning for sending the cool FM breakfast show across Northern Ireland alongside Paulo and Rebecca Night sure Clarkson there's normally asking the questions on This podcast I'm a fan, but it still takes a break and delighted to be here and asking the questions on this episode.

My guest is someone who had married on air for many years someone who's become a great through the medium that we both love radio over the next 30 minutes.

I'm in conversation with Simon Ross from Greatest Hits Radio

I am absolutely wonderful page absolutely wonderful and great to catch up with you.

You know what we've just finished them or shows this morning and it's nice just to sort if they can press after doing the broadcast in through the pandemic.

You know what I've totally got used to it.

It was a bit bizarre.

You know what was situated in the in the tower in Liverpool and it became almost like a ghost ship and at one stage.

I was flying completely solo ever juice around I got some symptoms earlier on and get the stay at home and doing that was a little bit older little bit weird at we talking about this only yesterday.

I will probably seemed just as weird when everybody Returns eventually to the building and hopefully it's sooner rather than later because everyone on that all the time.

Listen to this now and you're doing a show you probably have days like that yourself any hi lesson.

We first met and in Radio City Tower many many years ago.

You're very kind to take me on a tour it still is for me one of the best places to have a radio studio looking out over the Mersey you've been there a long time albeit through Radio City Radio City 2 like Greatest Hits radio broadcasting from there absolutely it's going to be 16 years actually since I moved here from radio and Leeds back in 2005 and you never ever take the views for granted maybe a cold wet day maybe a cloudy day or really bright summer's day.

The views are always amazing and that will sort a lift you a little bit as well.

If you're having one of the days.

You just mentioned if you come my eyebrows outside see Liverpool and the world waking up and that's what it gives you a little bit of a Kickstarter times as well.

Broadcaster and national broadcaster, but won't start in Northern Ireland I don't know how many people know unless you're friends with you that you're from Northern Ireland because with your accent with all due respect you would never know I guess what to do home and I come from a place called armour.

I do get the occasional comment Englishman there for god sake when you left here, but year was it.

Oh I left Northern Ireland was the beginning of of 1986 here comes my my saddle memory for dates and details the 9th of January 1986, 19th birthday.

I left to pursue a career as a chef at the time.

I was also degenerate discos and clubs and stuff like that across Northern Ireland and over the border and places like Monaghan and Castleblayney in the area that so I was doing a little bit DJing but I never thought that I had what it took to get into radio, but I used to.

Into a lot of radio like Downtown Radio before the birth of cool FM and 89 and I'll obviously radio One's big RTE Radio Lux burger course used to listen to at night-time radio that was all very inspirational me to spend some time in Australia and what made you decide to give that first step actually happened because we all have a story and obviously you can be on the radio today website and see a job advertised for a few and far between so everyone's got a story about how they get in and generally it's like someone turned up and you're in the right place right time you get to go and that was the rest they said history, what was your story well before I move to Australia and November 1988.

I was doing hospital hospital radio st.

Stephen's what you don't think exist now and I was given a little bit of free rein within reason and I was a lot of progress at me.

And it was good and then moved on to Melbourne and I became very good friends with a very very good broadcaster from Australia guy called Mike Hammond who's very well-known out there in telly and radio etc and showed me sort of ways and get me some tips and heads up at cetera and really help me out and then I got a job working at the time settle a radio station called 3pbs FM which are the different breakfast show every morning and they're only Golden Rule was you allowed to play anything from the Australian chart at all had to be kind of in the or out stop the haven't been sorted heard before schweitzer.

Play load of stuff that was successful in the UK but haven't made in Australia so I became a little bit of a revelation.

It's Thursday morning on the 3gbs Breakfast Show and that also gave me a lot of experience as well and then on my return I can tell you back at the hospital radio station.

I was sending devil after demo I've got reject.

Projection most of them really nice couple could have been a little bit more diplomatic, but however you take the rough with the smooth and eventually I said a demo tape out and I got an offer from Radio HMV in London radio Topshop which was then known as the fashion network.

I got a call from your boss at cool FM had a call from Radio Luxembourg the strength of 1 demo and with that I did HMV in Topshop for for a good 8 months there have been three thank you as much as we would say to anyone who's looking to get into the business.

You know rejection you learn from it.

It's still hard to take yeah, especially when I was really desperate to get that for a break and a rejection and itself even put really nicely and politely.

Diplomatically is hard to take if you just said but when it's a rejection with unnecessary Bob comments in the letter that you get back.

It's like wow, am I really bad is this person is telling me I am I mean like you know it's almost like give up on your dream and I don't think I'll ever helpful in any way whatsoever only a couple of those I remember every one of them.

Are you are you a person that needs to have someone to to keep building you up or do you have a real good sense of who you are what you stand for and just how good you are what I need someone to nip and tuck me along the way and I get that we ever more morning catch up myself produced halal and my big boss and the Ashton has a catch up each and every and and you know he will say this at 7:15 was a little bit long that you could have gone into anything and anybody who makes me a better broadcasting a better present.

Shark will always get the thumbs up from me and certainly over the last two and a half years at the working with Andy that is certainly been the case so I don't need anyone to bother me you go and tell me great equally I don't like getting severe bola kings and to be fair.

I think I've only had one from Andy in the last two and a half years but just just to be in the right direction and because radio is like my former trade as a chef you never stop learning and it changes all the time and if you think you know it all in radio yeah guess what I could use for you.

Don't that must have felt really really big yeah.

I've been down to see the bosses of capital quite a few times.

Are they got to the stage were when I got the call that was the cold too often with the job listen forget about it.

You know you've you've sort of tempted me you know.

On more than several occasions and I've got that state and no no this is gonna come down and chat this is a job offer.

Have you got time to talk and really cos you gotta get for you and we had that chatting.

I took it straight away that stays torrent.ru, London whenever I was building up to his show in the morning.

Did you feel additional pressure actually started doing a dance show at the weekend the beat goes on to Simon Ross and the Sunday superhits and then I did cover and then they started the digital call life and the guy that was doing the only breakfast Poole Theatre your friend of mine moved on to life and they thought the digital things going to take off a lot quicker than it actually did it as a result I was asking for the breakfast show at 4 till 6 a.m.

And I jumped at the chance of that of course.

I enjoyed every bit of it.

Yeah, there was a sense as a sort of like to 5:30.

Six yeah the main man characters on the and 15-minutes time and yeah, you can see the phone lines getting a little bit busy at the wasn't much and by way of text if we had a toilet text machine back, then.

I don't think we had what year did certainly got bad sense London was waking up and it was waking up a Chris Tarrant back in the day and the time it wasn't ready crusty and tell UK but you stuck up a relationship with Chris Moyles back, then you would have met up.

He was only breakfast and Radio 1 and what not well.

It's only was I'll go I'm going to tell you this the first time I met Chris Moyles I've been are hosting an event all day and with that there was drinks afterwards, so when I went to meet him and Jon Culshaw what is the absolutely hated me I was drunk but I was just being you know I was just being boisterous and he phoned a load of mutual friends that day after its.

That Rossi Simon Ross yesterday, I got I was drunk and he was telling rude jokes.

He was doing that.

I'd everybody spoke to her Rossi's one of the nicest guys.

Well.

They were saying a landlord saying it there was saying what a bumped into him again because we drank in the same local pub as by chance to Haverstock arms, and he goes so something I tried to really dislike you but everyone I spoke to you about you really sang your prices.

So I can't even dislike you we become really good friends after that and Factor seen the Millennium in his house when we went from 99 and the 2000 we had a house party run that was a great event so capital came and went and then you were in the map as we are now rock air City Radio City was interesting however we first met that said you were doing the morning Kev will still on breakfast at the time you did Rossi rewind on a Sunday

I never thought at that point that you would have had a lot going on to the breakfast thing.

I thought you're really really settle you were an accident that point personally that you had any you didn't feel at breakfast and take to get that stage you had to drive to do breakfast, so do you want to do? How did that come about it wasn't at the end of the drive to do breakfast.

I didn't really really what you don't like some people really want and I was really happy and mid-morning 12:50 Monday to Friday as you said a rewind on a Sunday ratings for great and everything else.

So they used to use all the guys to cover Kevin then after a couple of years.

They asked me what I cover the breakfast show on cabin holidays, etc.

Etc.

I got a little bit of a bug for it because getting out of bed in the morning isn't really an issue for me and when they put it to me about taking over the Breakfast Show I didn't want to because it's circumstances that are probably not go into now, but I said no I said if

Change somewhere down the line then I would gladly but under the circumstances that they were making the change.

I wasn't really interested.

Eventually I was told well.

If you don't do it somebody else will the thing so you know it's there and I took of the Breakfast Show had a decent run to be honest.

I took over what was a well-established breakfast show in a heritage radio station.

So you're always going to get that ratings.

You know you're talking about hard to take rejection letters and and and comments that was a bit hard, but within 18 months to two years.

We were the Five-Year high breakfast on Radio City and you know I find the feet and up and took all the way along Richard maddock.

Was my boss back in the day and we used to have regular catch up since noobs and I had some really really good produces there as well and the likes of J Heinz and liesl who works over a day Hallam Simmons produce breakfast as well until the time I left so.

People working with me as well as help me along the way and and then Greatest Hits night.

That's all really want to get into cos it's really exciting and must be really exciting being on that station.

You play the billboard everywhere pit bosses all over the shop.

There's FM in London coming very very shortly and platform mentally going from Beyond original station to being on on a network and national how to make you feel we noticed that but we just had a thought process will the move from city to Radio City 2 was again the revelation that really took flight quickly quicker than I think any of the bosses had anticipated might cas who is an absolute radio programming Legend rejection letter from my cast from this time of Galaxy is very very kind and constructive because that's the kind of guy he is.

Although I never had a sleep with them, but I've heard about snooker for my cast and his his posted stickers all over the whiteboard, but you know what my cam I can I get on very well only work with them for a very short time.

He spoke to me about this Radio City 2 and this change and would I be prepared to move at cetera and they were crossing over obviously taking Radio City talk of putting it onto a.m.

And then swapping.

What was magic onto 105.8 FM Liverpool and I said yeah that sounded great and the Show did happen and then we kicked off with I think was The Beatles Revolution that that was great and as a result of its success.

I think that's a Greatest Hits radio the Camborne whenever it comes to to go on national avenue.

Have been really well.

No one in Liverpool did you feel that you had to die Liverpudlian you're so

Accent I mean I remember whenever you're doing a breakfast show but not you had all the snippets of is right raheel and all that sort of stuff with that's something that you felt you had to just get rid off well.

I'm sitting in the same studio where I've been working for years and years and years looking out at the Albert Dock but not referring to Liverpool and not referring to City at all.

You know I had to completely distance myself.

I was no national and it was a radio station called Greatest Hits radio with no mention of City Radio City on Radio 2 in that I had to concentrate really hard for the first couple of weeks.

That is true.

I made you know it was really tough not City I'm sitting talk to you now, and I'm looking down and stay out of the Mersey the Albert Dock is a ferry going across the Mersey but I couldn't make any reference to that which I used to the capitalise on quite a bit until they talk about the

When I was talking slowly to wear to Liverpool back in the Radio City has a regularly 2 days, so yeah definitely have the concentrate hard and the in order not to refer back to where you were broadcasting from sodus Bay joining for drivetime very soon lots of investment station in most is well.

Whenever you here on This podcast the default when she wakes up in the morning lessons the Greatest Hits radio.

Yeah, that was very pleasing to know because weldy is got other radio stations and a lot with a lot of heritage as well.

So I think it's more than music thing that may be perfectly honest the 70s 80s and 90s but when I heard that the podcaster.

I must have made some great choice t ford MBE

UPAD your continue to do that, but haven't done breakfast myself for the gutter 15-years whatever getting up at 4 a.m.

To use it comes to say but never get any easier to bed too hard right, so nobody likes getting out of bed, but when my feet touch the bedroom floor, I'm as good as up and I've got a routine straight in vitamins glass of water with fresh lemon juice.

Go brush your teeth get myself washed and clean product in their get dressed one cup of black coffee car.

I'm in work for 5 by the time 6, I've been awake for 2 hours.

So I'm ready to take on the world and I stick to that routine and I'm really stringent about you know keep into that for 4:10 getting out of summer head my brain and my voice is totally away come 64 that I don't know anyone else who does breakfast who's listening to this right now.

I mean for me personally I rock in here 10269.

Tired that's my sort of that.

That's me.

I'm up.

I'm not at home.

I spend more time at home and I'll get them here 5:50 on your 6 ready to go for the day because I've done the proprietor the night before first thing but you give your strimmer getting yourself into work for 5 a.m.

Every morning.

Yeah, I did Friday morning sister my sleep in morning and I set my alarm for 4:30.

I get in about 5:20 on a Friday but you know I'm going to be honest.

I don't even like doing that.

I would I just prefer to get in really add at 6, you know any there's nothing left to do is just open the mic and do the show the preppers done the features are in place the music of course programmed and it's just me and my head's awake my voice is awake and I'm fresh fish and I said to you that you know many people may be different in England

You come home or when you hear you on the radio.

I wouldn't immediately thank of you being from from our part of the world, but you are but when it comes to your accent going on right now by diversity and not that far as a whole lot of things but when it comes to accents and regional accents on National radio, what would you say the anybody who make a jump to do you think the accent no matter where you're from? Did you think it matters? Do you think that you have to think about changing your accent slowing down how you're speaking? Did you feel it that you had change? I never did and as far as accents go it doesn't matter.

I don't think one single bit.

I think as long as you're clear and concise it doesn't matter where your accent is from or how are obviously you need a bit of clarity and that sort of comes with the you know that comes with the trade that comes part and parcel of what you need to be involved in radio you?

Have to be clear but the accent but I don't think is really that important regional accents non regional accents as long as you clear and what you delivering make sense, how your accent.

I don't I don't think it's that important compared to radio when you started my goodness.

It's it's a totally it is a total different landscape right now and and obviously the Viber video it has changed somewhat because of streaming and people have music On Demand do you believe are more important than ever been in terms of radio going forward and making radio something that people will switch on take and give a point of difference so just listen to world war music that you can do online.

Would you agree to accept the certainly would agree again getting back to what I just said about accents before I think you do have to be a little bit more disciplined these days and concise and know exactly where you going.

In my early stages, when I got comfortable and commercial radio I could have opened the mic and waffle that little bit longer got away when we got away with a lot more than 19 is that we would do now but yes what you say how you say how you deliver it is important is really really important and yes it it is if you're going to just have like loads and loads and loads of music in a row when you're popping up and saying what you got to say it.

It's got a land well.

You're the fat man when it comes to your blog to listen to your show you know every release date every year every album you listen to Every album songs.

Hi, how much is that is true just you being a music fan as you are or how much research do you have to put into what you broadcast every single day because it is very fact-based and it is going Back Through Time and I tell you what?

Will be quite to put up with you make mistake.

Oh, yes definitely absolutely yeah, if they do say something that is not factually correct at the text will come in thick and fast it wasn't that yet.

No such interested do back in Focus that's the thing is as I get through life.

I associate everything with what was in the charts at that particular time and that's how I call a lot of the stuff from the decade that we specialise in the seventies eighties and nineties and I can recall the charts and numbers and they said that and the other but if I put a pizza in the oven and a supposed to be there for 20-minutes.

I'll probably remember after an hour and 20-minutes if you know what I mean, so it's just one of those things I can recall times of listening to the radio buying records buying albums like we used to and that's how I can work out times and dates and facts and figures at set Tuesdays

I know you still coming by final and stuff but I do miss the record shop experience.

I miss the friendships that you would have made go under the record store day.

I think I'm not to sound all how many sheep before but I think that there's an awful lot missed by streaming your music.

I think the whole experience now.

You're a fat younger than me but the whole experience of going to a record on a Saturday afternoon.

I'm buying an album that had saved up your pocket money for or or getting a bargain in the bargain bucket which was brilliant.

I still love I've got the single for 50p it should have been £1.20.

So you know kids today will never really have that brilliant experience that I have phone memory card shops and not buy anything just have that look around it was like it's like today going to the pub socialising with your mate, but it's funny that I was talking about Dora Nancy's.

Teen idle mentioned that I I worked in Bond Street she said she look Bond Street in London and I said in HMV it was better prison HMV is a record store.

Yeah, I think I've heard of that.

I just like wow, you know well.

How can you be so blase about something that meant so much to us as teenagers back in the 70s and the 80s and and and and what not just going into a beautiful young woman if she came to you and said Dad I I want to be a radio presenter.

What would you say to say don't listen to any of my old demo tapes well, what kind of presenter would you want to be who's the people that influence?

Currently, what kind of music do you like? Do you want to be a music presenter? Do you want to be a journalist? What is it you want to do and then if I couldn't help? I would probably use my contacts and put her in touch with somebody that could help people who work in our industry.

Who would who would tell people not to go anywhere near and I certainly does not as many jobs as there was when I certainly first got into it.

I mean when I started back and rock FM that was my first full proper dialogue and you know you had an overnight show your had a breakfast mid mornings afternoons Drive evening light show overnight some places that early breakfasts.

There's none of that now, so the opportunities are certainly not as great but if you do get a job, then it's too you know it's to hold cherish and really take care.

And western Greatest Hits radio your holding at your church in it, what are you doing with the right now well as I say get in the morning get ready on our at 6.

We got her features and place that we do on a regular basis and the thing about doing the same thing every day as making a sound slightly different and just enjoying it and I join the music to do I really do have all the years of work in radio.

This is got to be the best centre tunes that I've ever played 70s 80s and 90s.

It's just right up my street three wonderful decade that mean a lot to me personally and judging by the audience and the feedback that you get on to get a lot of feedback as well as the audience single like it too little guy is only very young thing was born in 19 and 96 that guy's got a wealth of experience.

Got a very old head and young shoulders that I've got to say that he can turn it around the just about.

And he is an extension on my right arm because you know what I'm a technophobe and without I'd be lost without a credible young man with a huge future in the radio industry in my humble opinion anyway technophobe for someone who's pushbuttons all the days.

I've only got online banking in the last couple of I'm going to be honest with you.

I I love going into the bank and talking to human.

It's the same as supermarkets.

I don't want to do that electronic checkout malarkey, and then you've got to wait if you got to wait for someone to go and swipe something to verify your over it.

No, I want to start talking to the man Woman Behind the Counter the Checkout I want to be having a wee bit of banter finding out a little bit about them in the day and how's life treat them and that's that I miss that I really do and well and

What's next for Simon Ross I've no idea of contract just before Christmas here Greatest Hits radio if I was told by someone from above right.

You're going to see the rest of your career Greatest Hits radio on so well.

Thank you very much.

I'll have that all day long.

I all I can do is wake up every morning give it my bed shop what you're trying to do I tried to score hat tricks everyday if you want to use a football and not everyday score a hat-trick but intend to try and do that at least each and every morning when the show starts at 6 and finally in my time in radio.

Is that you can focus so much on the future and what is next but actually the most important thing in terms of getting that next stages actually spoke to him.

What you doing now and that could be quite quite difficult.

Are you here now you in the moment definitely absolutely.

You got to be anymore.

You got to think of the future a little bit but for now my jobs the breakfast show on Greatest Hits radio.

That's the number one thing that I've got to take care of far is my job and career is and and yeah.

I do take care of that on a day-to-day basis.

Cos every show is a brand new day and then also brand new listeners.

Hopefully get TuneIn everywhere and it's my job to make them stay at always great to chat.

Thank you for telling us about your journey and radio so far and I hope that your tea continues long into the future a long Winding Road on the avenue of Greatest Hits my friend.

He said it's always a pleasure to catch up with you soon.

Take care.

God bless you.

Thank you Pete and thank you say as well.

Great shots very interesting at more like that's next week, but something completely different now before we tell you about the radio Academy's women in audio and radio event last.

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Rebecca Frank kiss network content director and Lorna Clarke BBC controller of pop music is actually when I reach sorted that first stage of leadership have been exec producer slightly push your meetings suddenly getting pulled for the different parts of of the BBC when they weren't many people that were female can have in those scenarios and it really it was only at that point my career a good sort of 10 years in that I felt my gender you can sometimes flip that and sometimes.

It's kind of quite alleviating because you can be that sort of breath of fresh air and cut through the best.

It's quite refreshing quite empowering but yeah that point when I restarted felt like that absolutely finding that kind of lesson lesson.

You know there's so many amazing women it's all bowed and bumping into but there's nothing that leadership position.

I think being a successful leader requires you to be authentic.

So that means I'm I'm very insured with who I am which is a

That woman born in London do what I'm doing and it's still the case that you can walk into a scenario or room and you're literally the only person that looks like an advantage but sometimes you do have to not the monkey off your shoulder saying who do you think you are what you doing and she's kind of get delving a bit deeper with Lorna how do you deal with self-doubt? I assume I haven't met a senior person who doesn't have some kind of with Imposter syndrome at some point and I think it's pretty healthy and the other thing is like most things.

It's always like a muscle the more the better you get at managing it what you can't do is be having this wrestling match with yourself.

No, no, I must have that is perfectly natural and now.

More comfortable in putting myself in any scenario where I may not know everyone and may not know everything but you just remind yourself while you're there and you realise it's Not About Me It's About You actually asking yourself.

Did you do your flat? Do you know what you're about to talk about and what is it you want from this? It's refreshing to hear that honesty.

How do you feel then? If I say the word networking the audience raised it a few times some love it some breaking to swear at the thought of it, but it is one way to progress.

So how do you get comfy with it and make the most of it? I like this way of repositioning it from the chief.

Exec of the radiocentre Siobhan Kenny and encouragement from the chief exec of Ofcom Dame Melanie Dawes one of the attributes.

I think is the key to success in any field.

Which is being curious and you know that's why I always want to see about anybody comes through the door in in my organisation is.

Do you really care? Do you will have a chat with that person over there? Even though they do something is not remotely connected with what you do.

So if that's where you start from in your head then not networking.

I just wide like to talk to do is really interesting and truly.

She feel the same way so I think it's about the way you position it to yourself really rather than anything else is about being curious if you want to run your network and your number of contacts back on the early years of my career and I would meet people who were interesting sometimes.

They were there on a level with me actually wasn't so sorry people who are all eminence and senior and I could have followed a email not didn't have the email earlier my Chris or by going up and speaking to them at the next event.

I was out when they were there and I was quite bad at that.

You should realise later in life.

Do you want to try and have a bit of mentoring or sponsorship from somebody getting that email from somebody asking if I can meet you for a coffee you always say yes, I can count on one hand the amount of people who bother to the meaning for why I don't just mean.

Hi, we met.

What do I do with that? But literally make the ask you've met someone work out? What is it? You want that you want to have 30 minutes of your time for a 1 and 1? Is it that you want them to introduce you to someone because it might help with a job somewhere.

What is it that you want and then that you get honest you no reply makes you think about the follow-up emails.

He's not done a final word then on being stuck and dealing with fear that feeling of wanting to I don't know start a podcast or needing to send a follow up email want to get to be so good that you don't know how to begin with his router bit Simon's she's managing director of

UK what's the worst that could happen you take a new job you don't like it.

You leave that is literally the worst that can happen.

It's really not that bad.

You might have learnt I hate doing that and never want to do that again great absolutely fine, but like the one thing that fills you were pride when you move countries to kind of start a new career whether you kind of like start start a podcast with everything you need to feel a sense of I did that I did that by myself and it's a real sense of satisfaction to know that this week so much for your ears.

Thank you very much for downloading and streaming or whatever you doing today and listening to the podcast.

Thank you to everybody who took part from Simon Ross Hits Radio breakfast at every weekday morning of course.

Thanks to Pete for being a guest house.

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My name is row Martin I'll be back again very soon Today programme with broadcast bionics created of the bionic studio the smarter way to make Rail travel news on the radio remains an important feature of the listeners at the moment on the M8 closures near Skelmersdale supplied by radio travel news continues to be an important element that only for your output of also for your in in the West Midlands M6 heading south just approaching junction 7 at Great Barr is slow because of an accident early one radio travel news the perfect feature to be sponsored.

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