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I'm Jake cancer on today show in all changed the top of the sun was repercussions for the Sunday title and the time panel discuss that plus x radio that's happening Disney plus reveals impressive numbers and so do the national radio station and in the quiz we discover the trains of yesteryear returning to our screens.

It's all to come in today's Media podcast mate.

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Very good to see you again a quick tour of your Twitter suggest that you had an interest in publishing increasing their audience by reducing the amount of content but they produce.

Yes, I I I noted that I'm in the garden said that stories by third because if you ask me I'm reading actually more of it, then I'm finding the daily auditions all changing a Sunday newspapers that have passed me by that was why I tweeted Wisdom is more and more isn't it actually what it is that the things that really interests people are properly others are just discarded and so there's a certain sort of interest in honing down and agenda and that is also being supported by what they can I do witches look at the digital operations and survey accurate feedback also joining us is a broadcast consultant and the host of radiodays Europe 2020 is Paul Robinson hi, how are you good? Thank you.

Good busy collecting milcu project setting this week.

I've actually the market is really opening up until.

Testing very heavily in co-production and putting very stiff and tax incentives in place so Russia and America next week, so that gets the contract about your interview that you told us off my I could not ok.

Well will move on TV then it's all changed at the top of the Sun newspaper as Tony Gallagher makes way for Victoria Newton Maggie what do we know about Victoria well? What we know if they could she has already had a said the sun on this on Sunday she's a very respected leader of the especially the pushing to the Digital versions of the son and of course she's a woman which I think is very interested, but you can't really divorce from the changes that are taking place in x media and x 3 newspapers as a whole because clearly they have been changed and they're really also related to a bigger issue, which is that in July

News got the go-ahead to actually use a fused and editing team or edit any way across the papers of the Sundays in the in particular the Sunday Times and the times and so that's also resulted in the Martin ivens stepping down at the Sunday Times Rich Emma Tucker the is the new editors she stepped up from being deputy officer and she has a lot of experience and in across-the-board really especially in digital and they been that they are in the process of changing their operations and in fact cutting costs.

That's the real bottom line as well as well as becoming more digitally attuned pushing the time we sing a similar story at the mirror this week.

They're going 7-days a week subsuming Sunday Mirror in the people into the wider Newsroom are we seeing the quick death of Sunday newspapers.

I don't know I mean I still like a Sunday newspaper.

I must mean something about a Sunday you know and you know you know what you getting and I would miss that sort of fun.

Are you doorstep in the morning? You know when the Sunday paper arrived? I can't become it, but I do like about the sun is it continues to surprise my was very happy on January 31st when the headline that goes on the sun was all about all thank goodness.

That's the end of dry.

January Close very clever having those things I do appreciate this Sum 41.

Can I don't actually like very much about what the Sunday Times they got this biodeg rapping and mindless gets jumped in front of my and this Sunday I had to drive out on my underfloor heating heated kitchen because it was under I couldn't completely soaked through so in some ways though.

I'm looking for a dissatisfied.

One of the other aspects of this is that and women now.

I really coming very much for the Fallout Emma took it is a very formidable operator.

I have actually even written for her once I mention very very charming, but she's tough she's got wide experience and she's a former Financial Times at training as well, so she's been a foreign correspondent she's been around and so she I think she can cover most basis to be honest, but no we've got half of the national newspapers and already being run by the women in the 80s.

Don't forget the News of the World at the Sunday Express but it's interesting that is all sometimes change happens really fast and maybe it's too also is Rebekah Brooks who's in charge really of the of news papers and cheese clearly a woman is going to be a thing.

Ambitions of rivalling Radio 4 Stig Abell no stranger to This podcast as the launch director we're waiting for the call Stig what's the strategy here well.

It's very miserable for Radio 4 but I have to sort of question that because commercially it's very difficult arrival Radio 4.

I mean it's budget is about £72 a year and it is very expensive quality journalism drama investigative journalism whole bunch of Trance but actually are you know really strong public service contact grape variety very hard make money on that says it's going to be a pinion LED programming which sounds a bit like it's similar to talk radio radio station isn't exactly I mean and what's it going to be the really rival Radio 4 you need built program in you need in a programmes has got a budgie has got researchers.

I got time you know and they can go away and do something meaningful.

So I'm not sure how you

And it's interesting that Radio 4 latest Ranger figures very strong with gain half a million this Nazir on here so Radio 4 is still in you know very very robust health.

I guess if they get maybe you know 10% or 20% a radio for all that would be a significant audience for them, but they never going to it.

I think so next 10 years.

I can't see radio for being over all by any commercial operator agree, but on the other hand there's a difference isn't that they have got a lot of done this now who doing podcast and I actually quite reasonable that not I'm not saying their Radio 4 Today stand podcast the have not been very good time and channel 4 tried to radio radio consult him at 2 to actually fill up a home Multiplex as we know them.

The star the show was supposed to be a sort of challenge to Radio 4 and set the day program to run if you need Temperley left the BBC to go and run it was a good radio knows what he's doing and he couldn't make it work and then he got back to the BBC as quickly as he could I mean they had to put it and it was it was decided in it was partly to be fair because of the downturn in 2008 and that in and the decision to put it actually Rose from the collapsing advertising and the kind of sense of panic really that took place in September 2000 with a cut back staff and that was the first project.

I think it I think they lost 89 million pounds.

It's not a huge mountain in terms of a bit in pain, but I do anything this is a huge endorsement for the health of commercial radio.

Isn't it sure it is if it works I mean what's more interesting frankly is if you look at the

Global have launched the whole series of brand extensions and they done amazingly.

I mean they've added 2 million listeners to these brand extensions which are basically just recut to the existing music so hot hot dance capital Xtra Reloaded smooth Radio chill heart 70s Smooth Radio country, basically no presenters back-to-back music you know they are there actually beating Spotify by doing this that's how you mean commercial radio and I think it's going to be very very difficult to stay in the right investment to genuinely rival radio 4/2 million that they can do something with advertising so they're going to do the same as Virgin Radio and do the sort of the sponsorship thing but I think it could be an instant.

Is it going to be a rival to Radio 4 in the scale of Radio 4 ident think so I think it's that when you get back to the 90s when there was expansion of commercial radio new franchises the national commercial radio for the first time it all kind of went very slow.

Remember time when the BBC was really getting worried and this phone running BBC Radio Devon so we don't want this quarterly razor figures telling us about audiences.

They get your getting worse and then it all kind of went wrong and partly I think because then radio authority was checking everything up until advising itself which made the individual stations couldn't make enough money and so therefore they know something Bastille they merge and consolidated and they almost Awards top 40 cos top 40 is what makes the most money so the ambition have all the specialist stations funding commercially never happen because the advertising model doesn't support around with so many times before it's sort of finally can go as we know it's tragic story until quite recently the suddenly everything is going very right about digital radio and commercial radio after her all sorts of changes some good some bad, but you've taken place but there's

Choice for people and I see that the Times move actually more in the direction of we are establishing ourselves as whatever you want to call it serious which can take politics from seriously we do a lot of foreign affairs they still do that.

It's a very very good paper in my opinion and even you know oberza.

Don't think so so popular because people may be going to the gym that cycling you know they want to hear things as they go along as well as may be reading a screen and I think that it is another opportunity to get if you like your journalism and your your views, but well-founded well.

I give you across to 2 people and I I think we are we seen radio really changing.

I'd say 8 years on this fall when when the radio to publish next year.

What are they? Get their going to get 300002 listeners weekly reach 300000 will hold you to that ok, so changing frequencies a bit.

We're gonna talk Disney plus the service declared its first subscriber numbers and they are good Paul how good well very good.

I mean just under 13 million which is amazing now.

They've done some very smart things they've done a deal with Verizon in the US are the bundle the Disney service with Verizon subscribers there in the process of doing a deal here in the UK with Sky so Disney plus is going to on the Sky Q box box alongside Netflix and they really been pushing it.

I think it's very impressive number they were very smart though.

They did set a low retail price mean your Netflix is such a powerful brand that is one of the price fix that you can't really charge more than Netflix and that sort of the BBC's problem, so we'll talk later but Disney went for a lower price.

You know very strong offer.

Catalogue of course they really used all of their outreach.

You know to to market it so it's respectful number cos they were always going to be compared with Netflix and they also we don't be compared compared with 170mm Netflix but people will and 30 million in the first few months is a very respectable number the challenge.

I think it's going to be whether they can grow it because all keep that 30-minute going to be going out.

I think they won't be much Turner and the reason I say that is the Secret Weapon in Sherborne is kids content that's the thing that stops people turning Lakes Amazon apple that all investing kids because no-one's been upset the kids uniform 7 quid a month.

Are you going to have a right in your household because I take that Peppa Pig off.

You're just not going to do it a conservative.

You like they just watch it and can't remove onto the other things they want on their TV because the kids in the morning watch this programme again.

So, I think we just need services can be very sticky.

I think it's not going to get much done.

I mean obviously when kids grow out of Disney that will be that will be the everyone has anyone got a Disney I mean old so I think they're not used to making the sort of volume let my Netflix is producing it out shed loads of volume.

Is there and Disney's using a Great Library but they can have to keep on adding adding adding and the culture is you know every week looking as a new season of his a new so can they do that do they? Can't do that they might find it they going to reply to her but that's a different discussion on children's television couple of weeks ago and one of the interesting things that came up there.

The Parade UK children production companies are still saying well.

We've really still and he got one be customer and that's the BBC unfortunately and then said yes, but look at what the Natural History unit has done.

It's made in a natural history into a global Brand and also all the people for the best people have all been so they pinch really or courage to go make programs in their own independent production companies for people like Netflix or whoever that showed you and so wouldn't it be wonderful if this happened to children's television that we would find ourselves with not just Netflix which is in is a bit in it taking all alright, but we find ourselves in great demand and that the British you know children's production side or just blossom.

I'd love to kiss me already commissioning Disney plus already commissioning British production films and making a natural history documentary on they and only be good for the community.

British writers and creators particular preschool are well.

Revered around the world mean.

We have a good reputation for tickly for preschool and what we very good at that stuff.

Lol absolutely his long history of shows like that, but we very good at design very good at writing very good at creativity with more expensive on physical animation.

That's one of the problems which after me that work might go out to but I think the issue is more than mine said it's you just said it really don't just make for the domestic platforms make a British so that's got britishness in it, but britishness that translate the world and if you can do that and you can sell it overseas.

There's no reason.

Why can't we can't be a real powerhouse of kids production ok from Teletubbies to Downing Street this week this walked out of a briefing after some of them was sidelined.

Can you tell us what happened Maggie it was simply that instead of the normal list of people who are in the lobby.

And there was an attempt to edit that list and have sheep and goats and I'm very pleased to say that this was not on the whole lobby.

Just all the people who included so no we're not and so it didn't happen.

So I think it's been from that point of view one of the nice better pushbacks from the rather sour and unpleasant atmosphere which really stems from the general election and all power to them was a briefing with the prime minister's chief brexit Negotiator David Frost we think the BBC iTV in the garden and the Financial Times of being allowed in some of those being barred were the mirror I an independent which you can read into the political leanings of those particular titles and transparent to me yeah, but I mean do you think the wrong I mean there's an established.

System with operating the lobby like it or not happens twice a day and she being on The Independent when it launched and there was a debate about whether we went in the lobby or not that I mind leaving really need them, but everybody does really so it's it's it's quaint but it's sort of works for the real pointers that Janice have reached the sort of how can I put a breaking I think with the with the government attempts to not hold refunds at all not include them on this for whereabout they're going to be speeches made all the rest of it not allowing questions.

We've seen all of these things happen.

Not going on key programs as I was going to say I think it speaks to a general sense of both frustration and and pushing back and and it was clear was it was a feeling that or have you that went?

Hoverboard regardless of who you were the Telegraph as much as the Guardian so I found that a very positive and this is this is going to happen more and more because you can't really run any kind of democracy in this way and the pressed is a key part of that and and service are the broadcasters remember this happening to me actually.

I was told I was not acceptable nose working for seven nation and I'm going back to the days before Tony Blair was elected when Peter Mandelson was assembling new Labour and new label incredibly controlling in terms of and we were actually talk radio.

I was the TV sex with talk radio owned by Seal to hoover franco-german company and we were told we would not have parcels will not allowed access into the Party Conference where they could you want appropriate and we won't the right political colour and we we rejected from the room.

We weren't allowed in and Peter Mandelson actually became a guest presenter on talk radio.

And he was absolutely clear that his agenda was to make sure that new Labour only spoke to the journalists were going to giving you labour a good coverage.

So this isn't just a right-wing agenda happens in both parties, and I think you know whenever you've got maybe I mean didn't have my Joyce things.

It's before they were actually in power but you know the Mandelson Blair axis was incredibly strong and controlling wasn't labelled that was leaving I'm going out to Sky News accident remember.

I used to see him all the time.

I've done something to pick up on the earth.

Minister's boycotting the today show a maybe that that that they just going to say those hostilities may have ended with Nicky Morgan go on the Today programme all it's not live in the studio.

She was I think recorded at her speech and policy exchange yesterday, but what do we make that as an issue? Well? I mean look I think given the size of the day audience.

Talking about 8 million people listening Amazon incredibly large audience I mean it's probably nowhere else in the morning.

You can get that sort of Reach on any medium and all so this news program in the country.

So if you can make that work for you, then you should be on there.

I think you know if you're going to get on today for Oakham you got to be prepared.

You gotta have your ducks in a row and you got to go for it and I think any senior politicians should be willing to do that.

That's part of the job.

I think I said just seen those at the ratings went up in the last quarter despite the new cabinet ministers already.

I mean live talk radio Radio 4.

They all increase their audiences.

So there was there was interesting General Election despite the absence of the big names so we're going to see the clients now at the brexit bumps over well.

I mean it's a year on year thing so not going to know I suspect we have we're probably going to see a bit of a fullback in the speech stations next quarter but I mean you know for

Percent maybe not catastrophic there be sun decline.

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Distal listening shares increased by 11% to a new record so digital listening now 58.5% of all listening so digital is now in a where head of analogue and it was boosted by several things DAB continues to grow I mean DAB is still the single largest source of distal listening, but also there's growth in and listening via smart speakers now.

It's a huge growth of the small number 31% of adults now claim have a voice activated speaker and two-thirds of those listen to radio on that speaker and yeah, and so the Grove is 43% in terms of total hours, but it still represents 2 and a half percent of total listening, but no, it's clearly the other thing that's really interesting is digital radio in Cars now.

If finally got DAB sets as standard in Cars you're seeing a real growth in the listening in Cars up by 16% year-on-year so really really strong and then.

BBC 6 music radio 4 Extra doing incredibly well plus all the global stations doing very well Chris evans' interesting because Virgin this huge increase in audience and it hasn't continue them in Chris Evans does have the single largest digital-only radio gonna take this as what radiotoday report is only 1.2 million people in compared to radio Tuesday for Shirley where he came from is is Tiny so even Chris you know can't shift the numbers be on that and he's brilliant at bring in audiences.

Everywhere goes Radio 1 radio to is all Virgin he's always added added numbers to read about digital and a sofa that fits of ups and downs so she's she's down and when she was a heritage.

She's a bit on last time so you're on the 100000 listeners, but not as bad as it was but it doesn't look like she's never going to get back to Chris Evans

James cos I'm in his show is so heavily plugged across all of the BBC these days.

He was slightly down if I if I remember correctly is slightly down is down from 5.1 million to 4.8 million, but radio one is down as well.

Maybe one is showing the time and this is all part of the transition and a young audience is away from linear now.

They're moving to podcast are moving to undermine and that's the biggest you so Radio 1.

Is it sliding Greg James Cher total Radio 1 audience has gone up but he can't he can't hold the whole station because it's a trend.

That's in a going at directions capitals got the same problem about younger audience doesn't have a listening to come in very very significant anywhere near you know switch off analogue in your view well FM is still in about 40% of total listening.

Am is now really really small so I am stations are being switched off and in fact the BBC switched off the am transmitter quite a few of his local stations only and last few weeks and more.

So I am is definitely gone fmscan be around for a while because you've got replace those sets and they have a long lifetime.

So no, I think we're least 5 years away.

I say thoughts about the the push for young viewers or the viewers anyway and that and that's that's very much of BBC wide issue and one of the things they going to do to help increase their young audience is moved Top Gear to BBC One and tell us about this.

I'm not really the expert on top of the I can tell you but it's obvious isn't beef and suddenly that they've got the right lineup of presenters of the program is just resonating with the man.

I know anyway and it's more women watching us know what was BBC One programme has lowered considerably so.

Aluminium or service it's just brilliant.

So it's an obvious move and I'm surprised it's taken so long away actually suggestion is that Jeremy Clarkson and Andy Wilman you saucy run the show was always very reluctant on moving to be this one because they like to be the top dogs on BBC 2, please but also you have got this revitalization look I think it's a Smart Move and groove maybe I'm surprised it hasn't happened before I mean the strategic issue for the BBC is that protect the licence fee it has Universe has to have universality of access and BBC One always used to be viewed by basically everybody so it was easier if you know BBC One was doing well the BBC could argue licence for you.

No problem universality BBC One is starting to lose reach is not getting is not got the same universality they've got a proper BBC One they cannot afford it.

They could even allowed have lost on the other channels if BBC One is strong, so I think we're going to see increasingly more and more energy and

Budget Direct the BBC One it's absolutely the mothership and they've always had a great Rufus policy as we all know moving BBC2 hits over to BBC one.

That's why when you have a strong overall director television which is what you do have at the BBC now.

They will do everything they can I mean she's really the Queen that they do anything to keep BBC One going on and that's the Kiki party and I think we'll see other things moving to I think this is not the only example more to come.

I'm sure it's play the reporting on BBC Three Hanson data on whether that works.

You know there's definitely a movie of May to put your RuPaul on to drive young audiences to BBC3 I haven't CBBC will tell you it was a huge success millions and millions of years.

I forget the precise number of the top of the right people.

It certainly helped towards, what was a record year for iPlayer last year.

They have 4 billion requests across the Year which is just an extraordinary number.

I think credit where it's due on that I think so we'll stick with the BBC we've talked about something nice now.

We'll talk to something a bit more grim and that was it we witnessed BBC News reporter live tweeting the prospective redundancies across BBC News 450 jobs are going Maggie tell us a bit more about this as we know is facing cuts because it's not going to be compensated for the three of us over 75s licences, and they do face a crisis of quite considerable proportions.

It's happening right now.

They have decided they need to cut 80 million out of the budget for news and this is sort of one of the first ways of doing it on the other hand and that I've got the figure wrong but

X put what I think was the right thing but they're supposed to be about 6000 people working on various news and current affairs related programming at the BBC that is a huge number of you.

I always feel you need to put in Context a cut like that.

It is clearly of great concern to the people affected and I do sympathize with especially the journalist who have been rooting around and getting very good social issue a new stories on the Victoria Derbyshire show which I think was a nice place programme because it's in the morning.

I never used to watch it, but I knew somebody who's the work on it whose produced some fantastic.

John isn't full Victoria to her.

So there are lots of concerns about this on the other hand we recently discussed where the people doing too much news or doing too many news stories in news.

What do you really have to refined and your outfit and it could well be that this cut will not be ostriconi as it seems to be to the people concerned the worry is that things become homogenized? I think that's one of the things that would concern me that you have this massive Newsroom so hopefully they're going to send more people that supposed to be sending another contingency out to the Regent's and we all know if you if you watch the BBC carefully which I do you very often get the story of the day which goes on and on in the same vein all the way across different outlets and it almost drives, you mad and then it turns up on Newsnight as well, and I think that the there does need to be some analyse and just decide on a centrally.

What are the big stories and then you could end up losing quite a lot of the variety and the quirks that you actually need to keep.

Different audiences interested informed and it's kind of repeating what you been hearing maybe on them on the main news and I think it does need to be maybe have a new identity and decide you know what it is about and it could be that when you challenge an organisation that the organisation comes back the news at Changes but in a good way and not necessarily in a bad way because you shake things up a bit.

I don't know but it is it is obviously all part of this cut back to the taking place at the BBC and news and current affairs is there key public service unit unique selling point they have they do more than anybody else and they do a lot of foreign news etc.


Etc and all different sizes, so we should be worried.

I'm not saying it's considerable, but I am

I'm saying that it may not be you know I'm again.


Let me know subordinate about a little bit and it all plays the narrative that the BBC's in very choppy Waters at the moment.

We've had Nicky Morgan culture secretary make a speech this week, where she effectively signalled that the licence fee could possibly be scrapped in 2027 as an existential threat.

I think it does I mean the BBC's total income is about 5 billion pounds which 75% comes from the licence fee is ginseng the 80 million quickly on that because the licence fee goes up by 3 lb April in the fact that will generate next 280 £1000000 a year.

That's rather than 80 million lb cut in using code of it is part of a broader 800 million-pound short and easy savings.

I think that's the other that's the other point BBC would say I mean I think that £5000000 is not an inconsiderable sum and what's important is loose change.

Yes, I mean.

I'm sure it's you check.

What is the BBC for I mean I think so I need to actually sit down with the piece of paper like anything look if we want to retain some sort of universal charging to every and not go the Netflix model not have advertising not be you know funded by the government and all the negatives that produce we've got to appeal to everybody we've got to make sure that the BBC somehow touches body in whatever way doesn't have to be every single service but radio you know you've got to get something for everybody and work out what it is, and then work has been the 5 million the trouble is this starting from where they are and what is a bit like the Victoria Derbyshire think they lost limbs in a run thinking can we do it more efficiently let's think about what we're about the the licence key thing is significant because clearly of a Disney nicest that will be the outcome dad is going to increase the amount of evasion if you look at the licence fee income 2019/2018 and these are BBC annual report figures about 9.

Housing people stop paying licence fee in that year so a very significant drop in income if that continues the BBC is heading for a precipice so I think you know what cost cutting is next for the moment.

It's not going to solve the problem because they're going to keep cost-cutting until they killed the BBC you've got to think about how to make sure that BBC reach is everybody and everyone is willing to pay for extra fuel pipe willing to pay for it and will fit getting value.

They haven't got a problem.

So they can afford to pay for it too.

I'm in this as well.

He's not insignificant inventor wave the piece of paper tubers the Daily Mirror yesterday British live band.

I was reading this great Delight read the ft in the dynamites first thing in the morning and it's a Lister it's a proper sort of piece of research into what Brits

Think of as Lifesavers what are we about and it's a list of all different things but right up there good and proper is the BBC and I read this just as all of this debate was going on about the decriminalization which actually I find quite hard to defend the fat women large you get dragged through the magistrates court some rest of it and then I'm only 5 people are going to prison 121000 people find and majority of those are women and it was noticeable really I thought yesterday but nobody in parliament because MPs get loaded on the salon was actually saying opposing Nicky Morgan there was every opportunity for Tracy brabin that the culture shadow secretary to make a bit of a shame that she was rather showing off too much life left the Queen's some people because she's wearing your other ways to dress in Parliament but there wasn't.

The people who work for a posing at of course you know great BBC fans.

I mean myself really but I actually think it is it is a very difficult thing to argue that a compulsory licence fee that can turn you into it will give you a criminal record Netflix people because they like they wanted to be the BBC's ok the BBC does face a lot of threads.

I think you can underestimate at the public's affection Ford and I'm not saying that it's perfect but given that the the 100 the centenary at 100 years of the BBC will be in 2022 obviously make a great great push on that and on top of that.

He can't disrupt a royal charter until 2027 it does give the BBC said.

Lots of clever people always of the new director-general is a lot going on we could talk about the whole show but we going to talk about departures from the BBC both with very different reasons first of all Sarah Sands if we could just jump on that specifically did you see the writing on the wall is actually jump ship known at the BBC is under the great shame because I think she's done a really good job and I think it's a great loss of lucera.


I mean the the way the cuts were handled seems to be a bit careless something Victoria Derbyshire you know found out in an appropriate way, maybe she thought now is the time to go.

I think that probably was it she thought you know what I can see the writing on the wall.

Let me go and do something else Today programme did she do a good job? I think I got rather irritated with some of her rather soft cultural things that sort of happened around about 20.

I very much like the item on Shakespeare this morning and children and I mean that was actually in the 8th at 9 slot but there were times when I thought I've just about had enough washing on and you cut out for somebody who's really interesting but it doesn't look who wants to get up so early in the morning anyway.

She's 59.

She's she's got a very very strong at work and vagina she could go in and help the times with its radio shows that they've already recruited some people.

Yes, I mean she could she says she's going to be in demand and she she writes very well too.

So she's probably just run run for the door at the right time you heard it here first.

We must also say goodbye to at Nicholas Parsons host of the longest-running panel show just a minute he died last week at the age of 96 and was mourned by his Legion of fans.

Lots of lovely anecdote.

Nicholas haven't thrown everywhere a couple I just pulled out you know I love his mummy said we're we are Rogues and vagabonds waiting by the phone there to hire for our Talents a bit like prostitute.

Should I have a very weak stomach.

I'm not sure how it handle is that with kangaroo testicle the man with humour and Grace and he sort of I guess a bygone age 47 years.

Oh my goodness me passing him the award after he was completely charming and he spoke for about 20-minutes had the audience in the palm of his hand there was great laughter and joy in the room.

And I think we all reflect on that as a real moment and now that he's passed that unfortunately they did you come across him while you're in the media reporting trenches really actually kept himself in away away at the media and details personal life too and I always listen to him and just eat us had this wonderful deadpan.

Hoop rivals and timing was the thing he didn't try to sort shut up, what's going on? And he was absolutely on the money really good really deliver a blue line as well your minutes up on on Nicholas Parsons and we've got barely enough time for the media quiz at this.

It's entitled blast from the past all named locations synonymous with a media company or event and you tell me the old thing that reared its head a wrong clear.

Really it will become clear just buzzing with your name when you know the I'm just a poor shadow, so we will do the buzzer test pull your say buzzer.

Ok, let's go Carlisle Street Soho home private eye and a number of post production houses Dean Street and almost private.

I'm not actually making it's deadline.

That's true a lot of grumpy TV producers spilled out on the streets.

Ok, so it's almost closed so one second question The National Television Award for best.

Fleabag extraordinary, what's the voted for by people and look at the ratings for Mrs Brown's Boys I mean even my husband likes it that bit said he's very fussy I would enough and that's what matters isn't it so it's going to a final question 113 here we go what's the blast from the past that's going to appear on Channel 4 all4 this month.

It's exciting this is all part of channel four's attempts to really reinvigorated digital channels get back in touch with the kids and I mean.

But you know you can see what's going on then putting lots of efforts into their extraordinary.

That's if I didn't have a home here but for the best part of a year was on Amazon Prime last disappear travel have a reputation for being quite nippy, when they it's very optimistic is a smart smart but the deal maker commercial they have they have to keep their advertising funded.

They have to do this so that means you're the winner.

You got a week off next time.

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