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Hello and welcome to the media podcast.

I'm only man on today's show big interest take on big tech how an unlikely Alliance is for me to try and change hey Google Facebook and others dominate for Media market also on the program.

You research showing the divide between podcast audiences in the u.s.

And UK Disney edging closer to completing its deal for fuck's global Bower announcer big changes to commercial radio with a flurry of press releases and media quiz favourite game famous last words to media podcast today is the Guardians Media editor Jim Waterson hello Jim hello welcome back to the shows been a year now since we met.

Guardian changing Media summit and you just got the job then you ambushed me and had the impression that I would know anything about media at that point and a year later.

You've returned to see if I have anything that's slightly terrified going to put it on myself.

What's the answer on the way I really like it and I'm very happy to be there and we seem to be doing some stuff that I'm very proud of so I take there's a win and we have the long-awaited announcement of our account coming up.

We are currently on track to break even which will be a nice thing for the Guardian to have significant thing actually it will be the you know Touchwood and we'll see what the final accounts say when they come out but that will know within a month or so and the most recent update was are on track and most of that of course thanks to.

Traditions which leads me nicely onto Caroline Crampton not because she's begging for money, but it's mostly about podcasting which relies on contributions and this is your Media podcast day view for the podcast industry newsletter, hot pot of podcasting but you just had a new one as well for the browser.

Tell us about that everyday and honesty stuff that you would never ever find anywhere else and now we're about to start doing that for podcasting as well called the listener.

Ok, so it's a weekly email or email to everyday.

I don't know we can you will get 3 podcasts sent to you with little brother's written by me explaining why you should listen to them and this is the result of my side of I don't wanna think about how many.

Because I listen to a week but hours and hours of listening.

I felt about the best of the story on this because it's been slightly underreported thing this boom in paywalls newsletters or email subscriptions cos if they are still going is really old technology now.

I keep seeing more and more of them prop up and people really responding well for them.

I'll be honest as a long list of things.

I need to cover which somewhere it's somewhere in the middle on the stories.

I swear I was going to do last week and haven't quite got around to you.

I'm really intrigued by anything that anyone can get people to pay for in terms of journalism at the moment if there's any hope at all.

I mean, how do you have a set of target of how many people you need to to make it work well, so we don't we just starting it and going because we're lucky in the position that the existed for a decade and has over 10000 people paying for it.

So you know it's not like a massively risky thing to you.

It's been out this new thing also we have been doing as part of the browser offering a weekly podcast.

People love it like the open rate on it is really good so we feel like the conditions are right to try it boxing and Tina internet reviews next that you might get email now feels like slow Media doesn't it? Pleasure is an old-fashioned thing weirdly now.

Where is like Twitter you know that's a place for everything fast and links to commenting on very quickly an email.

You can maybe read on your community or a thing as well.

Is that when I first got involved with the browser? I thought it was just it's four links in a people subscribe to it.

When I click on me the articles and ready for a minority people that is what they want but actually a fast number of people open and read the emails but never click a link so they just like as you say as I kind of like to know what's out there.

They like to keep up but they don't necessarily actually want to read all of the interesting is terrible things are recommending for them that you rely on I mean.

What savings to that whenever they like my inbox like right stop this I'm gonna do it one in the morning the politico morning email PlayBook by Jack Blanchard which has was really great at first because services have worked out that their reporters are reading it's even claimed to be across all the stories of the Dead does the CPS Gary has I think last time I took some sort of 20000 people who are getting it, but within politics Media Westminster it's the go-to thing now to an idea.

What coming up in the day ahead and they built that from scratching about two years now and it's now such as part of routine it lands on the 0.7.

Am so it's not arriving too late.

So you basically do your own job off the back of it and it really does it really does suck the agenda and I'm inequality other end on Thursday afternoon the moment that popbitch arrives.

I'll still sit down and go right cup of tea time.

Let's see what they've got this.

Turns out if you've got information you got a little bit then site that no one else has then and you get used to it always being there then you will open it.

Is it worth it for traditional media companies investing in the motor you think Caroline because I'm at The Spectator emails.

I am not a natural spectator retail but I happen to like reading Fraser Milton Isabel Hardman in three internet form.

Does that really help them? I think it does because you just said it that you don't engage with The Spectator in any other form, but you do engage with the data even if it doesn't feel quite like you do and I think it works in the same way is You Know Podcast Sorby always work for established publications in that sense because if you like a particular personality.

You're not into the whole product it gives you an avenue to that one person and that still valuable ok.

Let's look at some of the big news of the week and there's been a few stories Dublin that recently looking at the power of big tech ostensibly Google Facebook and apple and what should be done about the US senator and democratic presidential can.

Elizabeth Warren kick things off arguing for a breakup of the big platforms to boost competition then Rupert Murdoch's news corp trading with a written statement to an Australian committee looking into Google the ad market and the most recently Spotify lodged a complaint against apple and the way they charge subscription at like spotify's do you think the tide is turning against the giants and what does that mean for the midges exit well the second part is a lot more complicated the first part is the tightening yes, we're at the sort of something must be done stay when somebody think of the kids everyone from left and right seems to be coming around to this idea that these companies are too powerful for various reasons for you on the right is the fact that they are allowing a material to be unfiltered and flying around the world if you're on the left.

It's that there in various.

Lee undermine democracy saw being used by shadowy groups to get there.

You can Project almost anything on to them because all human life is there and therefore all of human lives foibles are at present on their platforms when you got Elizabeth Warren talking about we need to break them up you George Osborne in his lecture last week is big Hugh cudlipp, lecture talking about the fact that he'd love to have been European Competition Commission own have the chance to have a go at these companies Jeremy Corbyn also talking about look what can we do to allow your data to be moved around more freely consensus that too big the problem is no one's quite sure call them apart now and certainly in terms of what that means the journalism and it's a very separate matter bit all of the things have been said recently by Mark Zuckerberg about moving to a more private messaging based should have Facebook sound pretty bad for anything.

That's about distributing links to public news sites one of the answers for media companies Caroline might just be controlling more of our consumers data.

BBC for example that sort of what BBC sounds is about isn't it partly rather than having stuff when everyone else's platforms, let's open the app that sown the data.

There's power in that and you don't have to be on to get people in and never going to share that that information and it's been kind of I think still an interesting question that I don't get no the answer to is whether users want that they might buy the whole it helps us make that better or they might think why should I give you part of myself? Just so Buchanan essentially tell me more stuff and the problem people like the services ultimately this disconnect between the chat terrible what Facebook I've been up to and people then going on Facebook to see what they're cousins birthday party.

Look like I mean then doing it and people still go to Google to get their information and even if you break the company up so that.

Google news in one part is Google ads it's still the same brand it's difficult for Challenger brand to come along as it is probably going to make it only harder to break them up because as soon as he starts well if you want to run a social network you're going to need at least 30000 people looking at every distressing image and deciding whether or not it's awful, then the only companies that going to be able to afford to do that Facebook's in Google's so you either have you know when it was a complete free-for-all on Facebook and anyone that could work out how to make peace go viral if you knew the right words put head the loads of new sites whether it was BuzzFeed or the right words go in a headline and you'll never guess what they are alright.

There's a crazy five-year period from that 2218.

Where anyone can start a new News website and get a pretty big audience but as soon as you start to make things harder as soon as he starts quality controls on the harder and it's the same with the time is it?

Impose regulation on then no one else be able to compete so weirdly.

I think I think the current big tech Giants could benefit from the weight of regulation is coming as long as a void being broken up and what about me and market Philip Hammond the Chancellor court for the Competition Commission to look into the digital ad market currently worth 13 billion pounds Google and Facebook sharing most of that.

What do you see actually playing out there if this momentum continues is a big unknown because it's quite hard to stop people choosing to spend their money with one of the most efficient ways of placing ads everytime someone tries to do it better fundamentally was something like advertising you.

Just going to come back to are we selling more of this stuff by using this method or are we using that method and for as long as Google and Facebook remain incredibly effective ways of getting people to buy stuff.

It's quite hard to force people.

Dollars or pounds elsewhere so I don't really know I'm struggling to think how you do this other than maybe regulating Facebook and Google to force them to make it easier to run a service history there same back and or or spend your money across multiple sites from within Facebook and Google but ultimately unfortunately got the better products does the only way I can see it working is that you have to Google to share some of their secret algorithm source that makes it work and essentially I don't know what you doing call it but like state create off that competitors for that seems bizarre thing to do but yeah, I don't understand how you have a failure isn't it? Can't compete with you.

So can you just be nice and track a bit more money and I'll direction.

Oh yeah all the option is kind of what you've been company sort of been doing on there.


Is you know you've tax them heavily and put that money towards something you give it all to the regulatory service or you know you sort of creative sort of feedback loop in the same.

Big corporations of all kind of always you know donated lots to go where the charity big news this week, because they have just publish their annual look at the podcast industry is a US server isn't it? It's a good news is because I've been in this podcast again for a while and these are the one always quotes ederson stats which say whatever it is an eighth of people have listened to podcast the last month benefit for people benefit with people.

What's the latest is that 67% of Americans now? I've heard of the term podcasting and raffia quarter have listened to one in the last month 32% So we're kind of a point where there's a great figures that if you make a podcast America or you make one that is listen to Americans you can take that forget you.

And say you know you can get with no longer a niche small hobbyist industry in and now this is this is like putting an ad on the radio or putting adding newspaper.

We reach a huge number of people except of course.

You only really need to use the other people if the podcast is networks you know you're selling and add or responsible whatever the thing is you're selling across a huge variety of podcasts.

If you're selling one it might be me I might be worth more money, but if it's a show about golf you know and you're advertising Pepsi that's not enough is it you won't get to to go across golf and football and rugby and cricket.

This is always been the thing people said about pocker.

They are tremendously good at engagement whether that's you know engagement with Astoria content or engagement with advertising content, but it works best way you have that person catch up of side of form and function almost and that's also why in podcasting.

It's common and even desirable to have the Host themselves part B part of the advert in evil heard.

You know the second podcast about space that's because those listeners like hearing that and they're more likely to do it if they hear it from that voice rather than use of generic voice-over that you might hear in a soda radio Scott so that is for me the pension in podcasting is that we've sort of slightly sold our souls already and only now we seeing the figures to make it up to you.

Love this slightly world where he turns sometimes a podcast for which other things have been asked to do and that particular day.

Yeah, which which do you like best? You know? What is the thing about anecdotal if you ask listeners, which brands they've heard On podcast.

I think they will name you know people's your squarespace is the mattresses and your admin because they've heard those ads in the shows.

They read by Doris Day love, but it doesn't really work.

Yeah, you got brand awareness, but it only podcasting advertising on you really works.

Doesn't it? When it really sounds like a nobullshit honest.

Love this product thing.

That's why it works, but it will just tossing it off it doesn't anywhere and that's really hard to engineer out of nothing and it's really hard to scale as well because also even know you might be really good at whatever specific thing you're podcast does but some people are good at the ads and some people are not you know you get some hoes to just really can't sell it even when they do love the product so it's very difficult to be such a personal interaction that you're trying to monetize.

It's really hard to sort of make blanket assumptions about that will scale across all industry, but that is not the game Rule in and from a business point of view gym the data for the UK isn't comparable to the USA podcast listening is 12% of the population in the previous week that vs.

32% of Americans living in the past month so they're not quite comparable services still it's less still me to go and if you look at the US those networks are there radiotopia some whatever we don't really have a comparable model in the UK yet.

There's still a lot of Indies I get out of it like that.

But there's not necessarily this very ambitious thinking going yeah.

I mean we're making a push with her today in Focus which is really like listen to out on my way into work, but that is again.

It's OK Lee morning exactly produced by The Guardian house one of the things we don't because we don't have people start driving long distances in the same way to work.

You don't have a 3 hours does a feel every day if it for most of the UK as he sort of girl on a freeway like you might in the States and also the BBC is so dominant here.

Isn't it? You've got that the amount of money that they're putting into podcast at the moment that sometimes when you talk to Andy produce and they complain that trying to compete with the be on stuff like this when they're able to chat 10 million here or there at trying to make podcast and success is quite hard to compete with and they don't need to have ads on that as well and also often very easy to listen to Radio 4 and 5 live.

Amino acids high-quality, do you think I must find a podcast on this subject not necessarily, but what's really interesting where that is changing is demographically is so I think for people roughly over about 5 that's absolutely had I think I have my radiator for shows enjoy great.

I can also done a podcast as well and that's the extent of their desire to get involved in poker stake but 4 people some of the research the radio figures and someone show that they are looking elsewhere whether that's apple music instead of Radio 1 or independent podcast podcast part of the small production company here instead of whatever show on 1Xtra is being in debt them.

Have you yet? He listens to beat three years now.

I've tried it once or twice the

It's a very strange thing occasion.

I do it and the someone who makes me feel incredibly on cool talking about some amazing hot new record for some producer that I've never heard about the Simpsons Greg James came along I've been listening to a bit more Radio 1 quietly liking it's not pretending to be as cool as it once was and it's actually quite a nice listening and then I put on something like you know the Venue disco.

I'm sorry.

I mean I know I should have dressed up for tonight.

I'm sorry this isn't my place? I'm just going to go to the pub around the corner and then feel a bit safer that and you work near Hoxton define talk about the BBC actually under investigation again this time by the Equality and human rights commission who are looking into suspected pay discrimination against its female in another story about go away.

Is it the BBC say that changed a lot since they've revamped their policies a couple of years ago? What do you think this research is going to find in 2019.

BBC are now putting best efforts into this and they have a historic problem babe it that much so what's worth looking into well.

I think I think the the sort of historic stuff really headline grabbing was huge disparities in 100g of thousands of pounds more being paid to male presenters and female in some case you know have a high-profile resignation of Carrie Gracie for that very reason she decided she found out how much lessons being paid by than the other side of international BBC editors, but I'm I would be very confident in saying that there will still be smaller scale problems and also the thing with that.

I don't know if this research will be able to get to this but the thing with pay discrimination.

I'm always really interested in is you get this kind of headline thing of your being paid more than her but what she has done if she been paid more from the beginning.

You know there's a kind of structural what if stuff which you can't expect a sort of Minority Report style fix for that are anything but I'd be interested to know with.

Like this you know who left the BBC in their mid-30s because they just felt like they were never going to get paid what they Road Unit 2 behind the scenes staff as well that would be more significant in way wouldn't if it was uncovered a huge gender pay gap between male and female staff the BBC with producing programs working behind the scene investigation is into historic issues, so it's going between 2016 and when the BBC puts its actual reform said it has promised into place so it's almost the retrospective enquiry but crucially the interesting thing is going to be wheeled her about the stars who were getting paid undergravel lesonal the issue here is going to be what do you find on the people who are slaving away to make the programs on a fraction of that you are finding that the person sitting next to them is not paid £100 for them the five grand more than that in their own way is a substantially bigger as a percentage of salary.

I think that kind of thing beer.

Interesting because I think you might see some of the same percentages almost as of the Big on-air Talent but just you know when you're being paid 30 grand instead of 302 say that is a gender issue.

Is it there are like sex with the caveats and Talent its own particular industry.


I don't know I think they'll still if you want to find caveats you'll find them.

They'll still be like yeah.

Well, you know but you had maternity leave you were a year or you know this person was able to find this training in their time let you know there's always ways around it so I think what would be quite nice if this kind of enquiry forces and today no actually we have a problem and this is what we doing about it.

Ok? Let's talk about Disney and fox because it looks like that is finally going to come to it's climax next week Disney taking over most of fox 4/17 expected to be announced on Tuesday gym.

What does it mean for UK audiences? What we actually going to see here? I mean that deals with sky full of already gone through we got.

Do conkers now in the background for listeners who got completely lost and all of this is the fat bits after Rupert Murdoch to lend me lend a bid to take over all of Sky in the UK 10 years of Media reporting on whether he'll be allowed to whether or not he won't be allowed to eventually has Disney bought fox anyway.

They lost out in the bidding war with comcast and all that was slightly academic.

So you know the UK and that's the really the really big thing interesting one is going to be what Disney does with the TV assets, it's buying on the entertainment side from Fox and what it does with the streaming cos Murdoch took the view that even fox was going to struggle to compete in the new landscape coming around and in the US if I'm right this gives Disney a greater share of who they really had a

Are foxes scared too but in the UK there isn't a similar thing but they're getting bye-bye buying fox is that describes a separate company so streaming wise where do you get your fox stuff in the UK have two licensing deals right? So they're going to have to licence it with Netflix or Amazon or one of the services that you can get in the UK and I guess which one they choose will be an interesting indication of you know kind of Markiplier they want to eat streaming service which is coming down the streaming services that you're already paying for which more later and if you look at your Hollywood are saying the two companies are going to be run separately Disney and fox but obviously that's all means especially us that means massive job losses these things normally take about a decade to play out before eventually brand name is dropped an entire group of executives are unceremoniously pushed out the door and a few big payoff down the line than one he go all rise to the top.

Normally normally place out on these ones but we will be back with more Media after base to this new world country is economy and a vulnerable Planet of the pandemic has reminded us of these realities ours is a world.

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Is in the UK to support the pandemic response the spread of covid-19 Miss information on all platforms such as full fact in the UK to develop multilingual Media literacy campaigns that provided millions of people with tips and spotting false news get the full story at time somebody needs to breathe now gym and Caroline are still with me and the nations largest commercial radio network global announcement last month that they're going to be closing many local breakfast shows reducing their broadcast sensors from 24 down to 14 and so hard capital and smooth are going to get national breakfast shows Caroline but regional drive time.

Original drivetime shows that right that's right.

Yes, it has its root in an Ofcom ruling about the requirements for the provision of local original radio essentially Ofcom after I think much lobbying by these big radio companies and lifted the requirement to have the breakfast show the flagship show on the network often the most listened show on the network be made in the place.

Where is broadcast essentially and after that will change it was always going to happen that these companies with we're going to look how they could make savings and that is closing a lot of the sentence.

You know making one show that goes out to lots of places into the lots of shows that go out and it was only the lot of job losses producing a business point of view.

It's very difficult to see how global wouldn't take this bait of being able to do this run the syndicated show probably from London across a network and compete with the BBC

I mean, I can't blame them for lobbying for the change doing it completely makes sense from a business perspective.

I think that having having grown up over and Reggie from North Yorkshire having grown up with all of those local I'd see stations.

You hadn't you get a bit of TFM coming down for Middlesbrough you get Viking FM from Hull you get Minster FM and they already felt like they were off their place and the you know but can I say that I'm ready listening to local radio.

Can I say that I'm listening to commercial radio a lot of the time am I crying out for someone who's much more local to where I'm living maybe and that's the problem.

I I I get nostalgic a lot of people get nostalgic for the idea that each City small town would have it's two people who would get you up in the morning and do wacky jingles whether or not you can financially make that work when there's so many national DAB station so many new launches to compete for people's listening town and that was the argument wasn't it?

Will change was that the way people lesson has changed the internet podcasting screaming exactly has all changed how people listen to audio and that the regulations weren't keeping pace with people's consumption patterns for yeah.

There is a lot of nostalgic.

I still think it's grim though the idea that you you tune in on the on the on the school run on your way to work and rather than getting a bloke from down the road talking about that big thing is coming into our sense of belonging to a community you've got someone Fusey astic with a different accent from London talking about stuff that you have absolutely no idea about the evidence seems to suggest that audiences don't care.

So you know it's really great ratings go up with a call as everything you can just never get what is to do what they really should I suppose you could argue that the reason that there is because the product the global of delivered over the last decade has been very smooth to you.

It's been very slick, but they got my systemically still taking the local massage.

You don't know what you're missing.

I mean if you're allowed 20.

You never heard any of those local Social it wasn't truly local anyway.

Yeah the part that I'm particularly worried about as well.

It's actually the news coverage because those regional Centres they had in a hosting and Denise and stuff, but they also had genasi went out and reported big stories in their areas and so you are and I think they are global definitely are going to be starting up London Newsroom more shifting the balance of that and so you are Gonna Get You Know a story in Penzance is going to be covered by somebody in London who was almost certainly not going to be able to Penzance from probably because I have one that they can drop the local breakfast or if they have one locally distinctive story and every new homes and so that's a pretty token effort to to be able to opt out pretty major cost.

Play radio and fresh after launcher classical music station scala Bower have announced a new country radio station country fans ok to me because I absolutely banging the demographic for this for this station.

I am the Young country hits list but I'm also I met Chris country listener and then all of the press coverage for this new station.

It's called country hits.

They talk about being the first national country radio station in the UK but Chris country, which is basically run from this guy's Chris laptop in Salford is DAB frequencies in and this is another one of the big Media groups taking on Once More guys, basically country music is a great niece, but I wonder if it can really you know I didn't actually write-up that story but I'm glad I didn't know that you don't you have had to a fat checkmate.

I would have just taken at face value the claim that it was the first national country music station to have no coverage you see.

The first national so yeah is Chris country gonna be able to keep going in the face of that I never heard but I really wanna listen to that is literally a one-man operation and it sounds great.

I suppose the distinction that they would make about what make is that it's called country.

It's cos they're playing that hits where is Chris country abroad play Dolly Parton and a bit of Kenny in whatever as well as the new stuff.

Is it good news for the radio industry especially when you're seeing this Close of local stations to see new national brands popping up on the clever one.

I thought that was a really clever idea for a launch.

It looks so basically there's Radio 3 list of person who sits there at the back of the recital tutting when it's like slightly out of line with what they expected you got classic FM which hasn't Viber you know you Grandad in the garden and then you've basically something that's all the six music centrist dad now.

Looks I think I think it could be a bit of a slow burn success if they stick with that one, but I think that actually it seems me Media commentators.

Haven't said about both of these launchers by Bower Scarlet and Country hits is the press release aimed at upmarket white people aren't going for an affluent advertised eccentric people like me.

Yeah my parents are huge classic FM fans.

It's the only time I ever hear it is just on 24/7 in the house and I'm always fascinated to hear the stuff that advertised on it's a different kind of never hear it so it's PPI it's constipation they have a lot of conservation.

I think probably for a good bank balance imagine.

It's all quite lucrative markets ok streaming services you alluded to this earlier general the BBC no TV announcing a new joint.

Britbox, this is project kangaroo mark 2 isn't it for long-term basis of the show project kangaroo which was the thing which back in the that's the time the BBC TV and whatnot came together and said look with love to iplayers taking off other services takeoff.

How about we all come together and make a Freeview for catch up and they were told no no that would be terribly on found the commercial lino banfi.

So Netflix came and have loads of fun and then 10 years later BBC ITV live in a bit late with this archive Service which will be broadly speaking everything that's been around for about a year in one place for presumably about five or six pounds a month with the odd new condition, but budget they got not an awful.

Lot of new commission it and the justification does make sense though, doesn't it in the you know I remember 20-years ago.

I bought Fawlty Towers and I'm Alan Partridge on DVD

My dad and that was the BBC making a couple of quid of each one of those which they're not making when I'm watching it on Netflix it makes sense doesn't it for the BBC like if you have it ever proprietary boxset service that you pay for but some people say when I've already paid my licence fee once.

Why would I pay again? Yeah? That's a good argument and also I mean they have been because I've been wondering for a while.

What is the digital equivalent of that you know buying them and they do put on the app on Apple that you can buy the things that one of downloads on Apple but obviously not everyone wants to have all the videos living the Apple ecosystem, but yeah, I just can't help feeling that it's too little and also I didn't fully understand maybe gym can explain this to me what happens to like stuff that's been off iPlayer so it's like 30 days old, but not yet like 12 months old the BBC is trying to allow get permission to put stuff on iPlayer for longer.

I mean personally.

I find it constantly frustrating baffling that by the time I think of watching.

Series 5000 you know they've only got the second episode onwards and they've only got the sign language Russian that's great if you want to watch this language Russian person.

I just prefer to watch the main.

No, I'm sorry you missed your chance and it's just very very infuriating and just a really bad experience to be honest if you try and explain to a teenager today, who is used to Netflix who in that terrifying way that that it happens Netflix has now been in the UK for 667 years so if 13 and you're now at university.

You've grown up with all of your sort of semi adult life knowing about a Netflix subscription and if you don't say that this thing that the BBC and it's like twice the price Netflix and right now.

You're not using it as much then cynically.

They don't necessarily get it.

I had this conversation.

I know you get a range of services and they can't quite.

Is not a straight subscription like Netflix and its further complicated this idea by the burgeoning success actually of the UK indie television market isn't it? That's great, please by Mark Dawson actually if you look at that think of the top 25 most popular or best critically acclaimed shows in regarding zone is from last year only one of them Doctor Who is owned probably by the BBC and the rest of made by Indies for the TV Channel 4 so how does rights work on that in these want to get their money to yeah, and it's telling that things like bodyguard.

I was over in New York and everyone was Bodyguard I love this new Netflix shows set in Britain is like.

Oh, no that was that was one of us really.

I'll have sweet.

You know they don't really know where the stuff coming from then you know it's use Netflix very cleverly into Netflix original because I'm the same with American stuff.

I don't know what channel is on.

This is why I'm so confused about what happened.

I feel like the sweet spot for britbox or whatever is the like 10 months.

After it goes off iPlayer but like before it appears on bullets.

I think theoretically you won't be seeing on Netflix is basically as the Netflix expires stuff will move back so Prince and the first series of love Island are all on Netflix UK at the moment doing quite well, but that will when that deal runs out to see them be exclusively available on britbox that time that you just want to watch 10 hours straight of people in the villa.

The original commissions thing is really complicated as well.

Isn't it? As you can see why ITV could make original box but BBC can't spend licence fee payers money radio original content they have to pay to see otherwise licence, but I just don't see them making match with the budget that they've got I mean I wonder a slightly confused by how you know one of the biggest BBC hits that you must be killing Eve actually made in commission by BBC America showing in America first then came to the BBC as it comes second.

Broadcast what happens to that can bbcamerica make things and put them on brick box that says if people who are commissioning original content for britbox or indeed scala radio or country hits and available now, you will be thrilled to know there is just time for our Media quiz.

This week it's entitled famous last words with couple together 3 quotes on the past week that might come back to haunt the author your task is the name the speaker and then the story buzzing with your name that grown you're doing now Jim would have been better time to minute ago ok with your name and you know the answer so Jim you will say Jim Carroll annual say right.

Let's go he's quite number one if it's subsequently transpired that the suspect was found guilty it will be the case that there was no breach of Rule 5.1 as the news would indeed have been reported with due accuracy.

What's the quote is this the standing radio repair? Yes whoever has gone to a party or something and they were left alone.

News trainee gym for a bonus point if you want to compete with Caroline on this.

Do you know what the photo was they they they said someone has been arrested and talked about their murder or something that they rather go ahead of themselves.

I think I think it's why you don't leave the internet in charge and go down the pub the basic medial or thing isn't it? It is less than number one so they've good.

He said the man who murdered has been changed which obviously is not what you do.

My universe did newspaper when the universe that kind of test for people who wants to apply to be able to 11 and one it was exactly this 101 like edit this new story.

So that is legally acceptable and I left in the like the man.

Who did the Red Bull now so on the one hand you feel like ok Daddy's real number one and it is really seriously.

That's what happened the star from now.

We're at their own internal awards ceremony.

Do you feel a bit sorry for him being left there? I feel a bit sorry for him, but don't do that.

Just make someone go to the party.

I also can't remember I'm always amazed with these things the who who calls them out and stops them and then things to report has just arrived all sitting there waiting for them to send in the report.

I want a cup of tea Ballymena CC whilst you was at the Sony Awards but I thought well.

I'm not going to get more complex and is great number to even with brexit were consistent and negative campaign by prominent newspapers provided garage against those of us arguing to stay in the EU I think the presses influence was overstated.

Buzzing with your name when you know the answer this definitely feels like something I should know you actually leave it too early at the presses influence was overstated regarding only ready, but I was there and heard the word report on it, so I really should know that one that was him that was him doing if you could look like show where Mum other things he said I want to you.

I'd love to have been European commissioner.

I and he also when I asked him about are you a bit concerned about the Saudi investors taking the third steak and evening Standard he Mumbles something the lines of well-known is now anyway, which wasn't quite the response that I was after him in the room actually because he has been in the job now after two years.

He is a proper newspaper editor a lot of the last that long.

I think he's still a bit of a curio in the industry.

I think people still find it weird that he's the guy who's actually sending the pages off to the press everyday.

I'm still.

Relatively hand on one based on what I've what I've heard.

I know he's got six other jobs, but I mean he's still he still around making a lot of the calls.

I mean I just assumed in this is my own services and took some really hard working female deputy was actually definitely points21 to Jim it's all to play for Caroline here is quite number 3 MOMO challenge has caused severe trauma.

I'm on pupils school safety group says who's quote is that is it the Manchester Evening News Caroline and the answer is it from the Manchester Evening News story about MOMO which turned out to be fake news, but they still managed to get lots of hits for the new size and that version is still up at the time of recording which means there is no winner which is a great metaphor.

That is it for the show for today my thanks to Caroline Crampton and to Jim Waterson in two weeks time with another episode of the media business podcast in which have been looking at the finding of broadcast magazine in the survey 2019 of the week after that you can help us keep the show on the road with more news analysis all year round by taking out a voluntary subscription one of those against these days.

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