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Hello and welcome to the media podcast I'm crying on the show today broadcasters around the world cover for death of Queen Elizabeth the second we take a look at how the media this cultural moments across the Atlantic we take a look at the Emmys will you can use publishers benefits and in the media quiz McGuigan is still away this week.

We all wish him well and before we bring our guests for this week.

Let's have a look at the news podcast.

Review subscription service podimo has raised 58 million to front international expansion patreon laid off 80 employees including its Dublin and burden office when is the entirety of its security team head of policy Ellen satellite responded to use a worries by sailor company works with external organisations to quote develop our second psychic abilities and conduct regular security assessments and the passing of the Queen letter historic audience numbers for UK news brands some UK national newspapers Canterbury traffic since the 2020 US election, what's the Guardian said that it's story announcing the Queen's death has become its most read stand-alone you story of all time will be taking some time to reflect on historical moment and the news of the last week in the second part of today's Media podcast but first I have to special guest with me to analyse this week's breaking media headlines.

Is the guy from the TV pilot podcast boys coats and her boys hello? How are you? What are you been up to this week? I'm very well.

I'm enjoying the view of your bedroom on the listeners that although obviously we used to seeing you today and day out on the BBC breakfast and said you anyway, so yeah, I'm very well.

Thank you.

Thanks man.

What love is that I have positions the camera for the media podcast podcast with in my bedroom cupboard, so bad joke this but it's been the first time I've been in there for about 15 years.

We also have Edmunds UK planning director Karen Robinson hello Karen lovely to see you.

It's been a massive big in the news.

What's happened like viewing the reaction of the Queen's death from an American perspective naturalised citizen of the UK as well.

I'm seeing it from both perspectives.

And somebody had to swear allegiance to Her Majesty so it's been fascinating to watch obviously the Queen's dad is huge story in the us as well people absolutely can't get enough of it, but in the States as much less of the I guess so but they're quite the gravitas and the sort of constitutional implications of it that you get here.

So it's much more of a celebrity story of little and obviously very deeply meaningful the people but just the town is quite different.

I do that cause my American relative the Golden Well that looks amazing so I can report my American family big fair all the costume will be taking a look at the reaction to the Queen's later on in this episode of the media podcast let's turn to a different us story for now and it's about the my TV awards that took place this week of course Boyd all across.

All the quest TV what did you make of this year's Awards are jokingly treated the next day that has ever the vouchers for the growth and absolutely right because even though even though they Suffolk succession winning the best drama absolutely fantastic Show Ted lasso, but I love sucking your running comedy broadly there was some catch them all now do it but I have to say fans of better call Saul like me which is as everyone knows the greatest TV drama of the last five years at least still reeling in shock that it was snubbed and didn't has not won any my whatsoever although the only caveat the only hope is that the last six episodes of the whole show eligible for next year's m.

It's so we're all hoping this community the better call Saul community.

Thanks community outraged by the lack of or detention at the shows got so far is history.

Is going forward to that I would say one thing about wood sermon is so is that you've got to let them know it's really annoying me now how you know that every single every single winner of the Emmys was standing and looking at the countdown clock that a minute by the time.

I got on stage you want to see the winner explaining how they feel after that one.

I know they're going to thank you.

Just have to do with that so I totally see your for you boys, but I'm also terrified of the prospect of award ceremonies for coming even longer than they actually are but if looked at the Nielsen ratings for the Emmys they reported an all-time low of the low 6 million viewers and a course is not the case with the Emmys we've had it with Littlewoods as well in the Oscars in slightly better than this year, but of course it was a at a historic low last year.

Why do you think that water monys? I just not resonating with you is as though.

Answer in the past but you so much more competition that for these big live TV events both here and in the States so I don't think it would be surprising if it wasn't if it figures one declining on the show but have you said that there was also the added factors that generally you know the winners of the big film and TV awards are looking for quality and you know that it's supposed to be definition of excellence rather than she volume of us, so the winners tend to be slightly dominated by quite easily the best show in in that category, but it's quite a challenging.

You know kind of ride overwatch on mainstream proposition.

I would say Karen are you a follower?

From the Awards this year I personally consumed on Twitter the morning after as I think a lot of people dead and what you're fine.

I think is fan community for individuals shows highlighting and resharing the real that relate to the problem particularly care about whether performing a particular care about and that was kind of how I enjoyed it.

I particularly enjoyed the of the actresses name of the actress from White Lauder so just refuse to go off.

Just had a little dance absolutely brilliant so all types of content this way we can see me in Bitesize content suitable for whatever are interest happened to be pushed out to us which I think that she's kind of a shame because it means you don't get that exposure to.

Already watching it's probably not the best way of consuming words contact because the idea of an award should be to point you to excellent work that you otherwise wouldn't see but that's the world we live in a good point because actually thinking about it.

I could have stayed up and watch the Emmys all night or ended up doing to scroll through Twitter for 2 minutes and then when that one that one that one moved on and again for millions of people that was the same case of them and the knockout winner as just mentioned was Warner Brothers white Lotus social satire about a tropical resort it picked up 10 prizes including limited series best writing directing supporting actor and actress however is not all Rosie at Warner Brothers Discovery actually reported earlier this week that Honda staff are expected to be laid off Sharon what do you make of the reports about Warner Brothers Discovery

At all uncommon that you would see layoff just because part of the reason to bring two big Enterprises together is a you get the acid but you're than trying to rationalise and find efficiencies.

It's not necessarily surprising they've been looking across the business levels to to strip out some of the staff having said all of that.

I think it also is worth us.

Just handling remembering that award-winning content is not always equal commercially successful content HBO produces fantastic.

Where can I think it's at the top of his game right now, but whether that's the right business decision on whether there were they've got a successful long-term model is it wait to be seen I think Discovery was going to but they do have kind of a better better hold on their audience.

So they keep their audiences for longer and I think that commercial opportunity of tapping into that audience and keeping people a little bit longer and then supporting it with hbos kind of really flagship programs that might be me and be a better model but I think.

Leaving pains before they get there I'm going to bring you in and boys in on this cos you know your TV critic like me.

Do you sort of thing you look at discoveries content and then you look at hbos content and you see them so polarising a part that you think it can be pretty impossible to bring them all together under one cohesive company well.

Not necessarily mean you're right about the about that every different propositions, but if you look at the Disney plus model Disney plus essentially is a portal if you talking about the interface you know with the viewer and the service my service and you go to the button and they categorise you know there's lots of different segments within Disney plus from Marvel shows you know for Disney shows alternative for adult shows the star they call their kind of adult stuff into that section so you could imagine a HBO Discovery plus platform which is?

Where you going to and you got your Discovery bit on your HBO bit and you may be subdivided to couple of years so I think it's I think you'll be fine.

I really obviously it's all up to you.

Who are victims of these two huge companies coming together, but I do think the whole streaming world conglomeration of streaming services is inevitable is not really because there are so many of them is really difficult for the consumer to work out what the hell's going on with with streaming services.

You know it's inevitable.

I just think that I'm sure it'll happen again.

I'm sure they'll be more more of them bring people together under a single banners be interested in the caravan centre, HBO is still extraordinarily even with the rise of all its rivals in terms of streaming HBO Max vs.

Netflix and Disney plus.

It's still making the best stop the model has been for decades now HBO the quality will sell and have really gone from The Sopranos onwards.

I think the new owners need to think about what they do they should be able to so much cherished.

Ramps for sure and come and do you think stuff like the Golden days of streaming services having issues growth in the polar peak TV streaming moment.

Do you think that because of Discovery is having a bit of it to Moltres time it might indicate that maybe the golden age is coming to an end of golden age is coming to an end.

I mean no comes a point.

We just maxed out you're available audience right, but we've been happening over the last decade or so has been an Evolution of people changing their viewing habits from live TV or even digital TV more and more towards the streaming services at some point.

You've got all of the available audience does not that much room for growth and then it becomes a consolidation final between which service is going to win out and I think you know it does make sense.

You know if I were in this week thinking about my long-term plan.

I've been looking for a which which properties I could acquire.

Streaming services amalgamate together because you want to be the go-to channel and they go to Discovery portal.

I think it's the more different types of contact you having the portal of the better because you was going to their viewing experience with different needs in mind you know sometimes you want to wake up and you just want to get out.

Maybe this is just me but soon as you wake up and you just want to be home programs and sometimes you want to watch them prestige drama and sometimes you're ready for an Oscar winning film if you can find out in one please you're going to be a lot more loyal than if you're switching between platform so I think that's just it's just the endeavour to where we are in the market place right now.

You would somehow predicted my afternoon or binging let's move on to talking about social media and in the US as another major voting event coming up.

It's 2 months to go until the mid-term elections and social media companies are.

Turn up flapjacks voting Guides and rolling out their fresh features and could you paint a picture? What's the mood like ahead of the midterms Crown is normally in a mid-term election you would expect the president's party to lose in the mid-term election so if the president holds you know when are both houses of Congress typically the president would rather lose those or these lose some seats in those houses and that that is still most likely but right now what receiving is it a shift in the polls in the Democrats favour and the reason for that interestingly seems to be the Republicans have been dominating candidates that are quite extreme that are on the far right and there is of course in this is going to touch on to what the media companies trying to cope with right now there.

Are you in about half the states of the US right now Republican candidate to explicitly don't believe that the 20th at the last presidential.

Was Valerie one by Joe Biden and have have explicitly made statements about that.

They think Donald Trump should be should still be president that they would make changes to state law to try and make it easier for future election facts of to take place, so that would not happen.

That's a huge challenge because when the when the candidates themselves are promoting false information and misinformation and outright lies the movie has to decide about whether they report that information which is you know electoral relevant information to voters or suppress it because it is dangerous misinformation, so it's a really poisonous Media environment right now about in the guys who the reaction he was standing for election making oxides and of course you see the large media companies trying to go and implement changes to combat this so for example Twitter and tiktok has banned ads for candida.

Please clear shoes Google and Facebook or allowing them but are requiring disclosure for who pays do you think that you should be down to eat social media company to set their own rules.

Do you think they should be more of a kind of a blanket regulation about how these things are conducted.

I'm quite wary of blanket regulation have to say is particularly in this area because you know it might be the kind of Liverpool left if you like position that obviously a lot of these ads are going to be particularly the extreme right-wing candidates the current talking about Spearing absolute nonsense in their advertising which is I'm sure.

It's the case, but equally you know once you started to fearing into that level you can have the whole social media 0% so it's always the hunter Biden laptop story right which was effectively censored by a social media social media companies in the run-up to the

Essential election subsequently the heads of these social media comes with admitted, but they sent it completely backfire because it feels like to the average.

I think American feels like you're being manipulated.

I think that feels inherently wrong and I also think they're wearing overthinking it too much.

I've had just have let that story be reported and pointed out that actually you know exactly what was going on with it and it mattered.

You know it's a bigger picture, then.

I think I think they over think what they should be doing a lot when it comes to nonsensical stories and that they should really let them know that should be reported when stuff is factually incorrect and have more confidence I think in in letting the truth get out.

There is too much overthinking anyone regulation that you can impose or one rule you can play consistently that would make the media environment any less toxic than it is I think the challenge.

I would give to the social media company.

They've been acting reactively sporadically and an ad hoc like kind of making up rules as in when a new situation arrives.

I think there will overdue for somebody to go back and actually do a lot more thing and a lot more considerate basis about what is the role of social media platforms.

What are the risks and opportunities here? I think it's about the laptop story if you're talking about a mainstream Media environment reporting on that story.

I think your point is right if we're talking about which is what we were talking about and social media platforms a network of entities making up things tangentially related to that story accelerating exacerbating at those kind of weird malage.

Sort of half-truths Quasi trees the ability to put them directly into people's feed I don't think there's an easy answer, but I think the social platforms have been a lot to reactive well.

I actually do things that still there.

Was a little smoother than the election before that but I still think it requires a lot more consideration about what are the limits and potential of of these platforms in this world will be returning to this subject for out to the midterms.

Let's have a look at something closer to home Google is under pressure this week the European law firm Geraldine partners announced plans to 525 billion Aztec lawsuit against the company on behalf of new publishers in the UK and the EU had several major lawsuit against them do you think it's opportunistic? Do you think that's Google another companies are really countable for damage to the newspaper industry and the magazine and sweet about to say bye.

I don't really understand what's going on with this but I am away whenever I speak.

It was only within my

Look for another magazine.

I work from wherever I speak to people in advertising in our company and it's been going on for years was fundamentally that's unfair about the extension Google when is parent company of kind of operates with the ad tech that is used with online advertising and that they are apps seemingly.

I mean electrically simulator by Google misunderstood what they do but they seem to have an enormous amount of influence and power when it comes to the online advertising world and it's also of such as you know obviously that we all know about that but there seems to be that whole area it does seem fundamentally possibly unfair makes a good point benefits of this story doesn't feel like there's anything there is in rumbling along for years coming.

What do you make of vitamin? Do you think that there will be any

Consequence of do you think this will just be another topic that will be discussed in a year's time and nothing will be done is laid out by the by the lawyers behind there so yeah, we don't yet know the factors that they're using to make their claim if you look at the at the level of output.

It's very clear that a huge erosion of ad revenue from Media Enterprises from publishers to Google over the past couple of decades the decline in newspaper in media res completely correlates with Google's overtaking it in another Facebook Facebook as well other entities does that feel unfair? Yeah? I think it's specially if you're probably right probably does is it unlawful I don't have enough information yet to say I think the claims that were made in the previous case had to do with Google strategy of buying up ad tech tools and positioning itself as

Intermediary to add purchases and that Accelerate self know that could potentially be seen as Monopoly but it would depend on you know how we interpret the laws and I think that's the thing so I think Google could well.

We're in Kidwelly is it can go anyway, but I think no matter what happens.

It's unlikely to reverse this trend because I think it's sadly probably is a lot more than just Google behaving unfairly.

I think it probably is just as the Landscape has changed and they have a very successful commercial model for this week's deep dive with taking you into the offices of the UK radio buses via the wonderful Radio Academy the Host Christian hewgill sat down with free radio Chiefs to find out how the adaptive decisions in response to the sad news of the Queen's death his team level director of programmes.

Radio station responded later, you're here, Rebecca Frank content director for kiss-fm genuine he did not know that the Queen had sadly passed until the tweet from the royal family arrived at 6:30 that was the first kind of confirmation.

We had no and behind-the-scenes confirmation nothing until 6:30 which is right and proper and what I would say that we did we had had thought there might be an announcement 1st May at 3 and then and then 6 I've actually 5 and 6 so we sorted we get up I did it.

I did a couple of things differently the top of hours and kacy announcement came which wasn't didn't happen, but we then had them so we have jumping on a alongside to gayborhood come into the shower cos of the series of the situation and we got the news at 6:30.

We have the Script already printed out and jumping off just Red House red.

They're coming down sment.

I gather the time we was the first national radio station to broadcast announcement of the Queen's death and we had a sort of protocol the Range where there be a short intro going into a recorded.

It's about 4 minutes which would give us in a bit of space then to work out what you want to do and from there a coverage Road onwards Rebecca Nick for music radio stations and stations that don't have as much use emphasis x the gear change to brake news momentous is this is huge the same questions both of you and come to you first Rebecca how much notice did you get all realising? You'd have to dramatically change the sound of the station and how did you go about doing that? Yeah? I mean we are obviously the complete opposite End to tip not only as a music radio station, but just you to the mood based uplifting non speech nature of what we do the amount of time.

I think we all had the same information at the same time.

We have WhatsApp group setup across the business to make sure that news in people in the know in the business can can feed in both that kind of message from the from the palace that allows us all to take that as you know time to get prepared there could be something you know more substantial coming later on but that take everything at face value, but just chose it is a moment to cancel a few meetings frankly at that point.

It's all 1:30 when that needs came out, but I think everybody got the news at the same time we obviously should have took guidance from used as a kid sort of see what was happening down the wires.

Is it got closest the official announcement time so we did start to tone down but not so dramatically that we will make me don't want to sort give a centaur audience that we need something.

They didn't and be facetious at same time.

It would have some features that we took a decision, I take that.

Supposed with the potential announcement, so you know we kept on our advertising was still running or upbeat music on a Thursday afternoon.

We're still running.

I would say it got close tea, when they actually actually did announcement when I need to advise that they could be something for him and that's when you know links for dropped and we make sure that will notice of clangers.

We would call them that kiss no music being sensitive juxtaposed.

So you know fully I would say we actually had quite a lot of time in terms of using the spidey sense of what that Palace announcement might have meant underneath the exterior and yeah, we just took some sensible decisions without you know without hoodwinking the audience frankly we're still young young orientated station on a Thursday afternoon.

That was Tim Level and Rebecca Frank being interviewed by Christians you kill you can hear the full conversation was also features Nick pits from Jazz FM on the Radio Academy podcast.

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It's just been over a week since the sad news off for death of Majesty the Queen and the media has responded as you would expect in a big way.

We can have a look at TV coverage for next Monday funeral and all Sky channels all of the ITV network will be simulcasting the funeral BBC1 and BBC2 are wearing it to turn off in the only network and stuff the time that we're recording us yet to announce their plan.

I mean boy just someone who watches a lot of TV do you think that this is to even do you think this is actually something that Republicans might be frustrated that there aren't any alternative programming out there.

Essential I consider myself through public but I'm not that bothered because I think you know there's Netflix there's there are actually doesn't alternative to watch even within the BBC because you said you want to but there is a player you be able to find stuff to watch if you don't want to watch both of them is something that none royalist or Republican love with you want to put it isn't interested in the event itself anyway is misguided because I'm fascinated by as a as a huge historical moment and will be watching from that point of view.

I think it's slightly it's a slightly or gesture by ITV and sky to put to have all the channels showing it.

I don't quite understand.

It doesn't feel like something that they needed to do people expecting them to do and I want to my slightly cynically because we these occasions the vast majority of you was due to addition to go to the BBC I wonder whether this is you know ITV in Skies effort for love.

At least more of a share of people watching and Report to show the extent to which the percentage of people watched on BBC vs.

ITV vs.

Sky it might be slow to figures for 10 channel suddenly covered in some death, so we'll have to see what they do what I think Channel 5 actually said that they were going to be showing children's programmes alright Monday during the day with anything down walk around recently is going to be doing an extended news.

How do you see the the way that the media has reacted to the Queen's death? Do you think it reflected the gravitas of the situation? Do you know the blame? What's your take first of all? I just want to pay homage to the brilliant people who've been delivering the coverage.

I haven't to have a car.

Friends who have been working behind the scenes at a very different Media Enterprises to prepare for this moment.

I know that it's been a project that has been many years in the planning and I know how they've been working very very quietly to make everything runs very very smoothly and I think my view is they did a phenomenal job the quality of the coverage was it had the right tone it had the right gravitas was still be compelling viewing quality.

I think has been excellent.

I think you Edwards is personally my new king because he has been absolutely stellar in a very challenging brave, so wonderful quality of coverage in terms of quantity of icing that even though as boy says this is a subject of some universal interest especially in the UK but also around absolutely right.

There was quite a lot of coverage, but there is a YouGov poll recently that came out that ask people this question directly.

Do you think there's been too much not enough for about the right amount?

Of this of this event and interestingly the plurality of opinion was towards too much 49% of people said there's been a little too much for the 2% said about the random.

So you know reasonably balanced B queueing on the side of saying OK that's enough now only 2% said they're not enough coverage and I don't know those two percent.

They would have liked to see additionally maybe they would have like Netflix to be switched off, but there is no other alternative.

I I think though.

I'm not surprised it all from a strategic point of view the Enterprise with air on the side of showing too much.

I don't necessarily think I disagree with boys.

I don't think they were trying to claim an advantage over their competitors.

I suspect it was pure rotational risk.

I think they were very concerned that their institutional stakeholders would punish them if they didn't give enough weight and merit and quantity of courage to this that they felt.

The risks of being seem to be anything less than perfect be respectful were too serious for an organisation operating in this climate and I think that was probably the right called that it's better to air on the side of too much into that hole because there's there's very little to gain from being the first to break away.

I think there's a fear among you know this the TV cabinets of being accused of doing the wrong thing just like that is that I'm kind of outlets is genuine and I don't blame them that they're channel is showing the funeral live and no one would have very few people would really but that is nice but yeah, I do get the points absolutely about about the Warriors they make legitimately half about how they going to B&Q whatever bye bye certain parties what I was around interesting as I was reading the report by Jim Morrison in the Guardian that compared the amount of complaints received about the coverage to for death of Prince Philip and why?

Philip had received more than 100000 complaints in regards to the queen of the BBC I don't even see about 640 670 which I think maybe indicates an understanding by the British Public of this will obviously interrupt the schedules in a big way with all over the course of the last week focus on Cues and queueing which the courses in British phenomenon.

Have you been glued to the dcms footage of how long the queue is the what3words the Queen lying in state and sort of intrigued by what you think of these new do you know what I absolutely loved it.

I think the queue is I'm enjoying that almost more than the pageantry because it just feels so much more human and so much more relatable you really made me reflect upon just the Enormous distance in time between Queen Elizabeth coronation and her death because of course famous in her Coronation

A very huge Media moment for Britain in that.

It's you know famously it was the it was broadcast on television for the first time it was the reason a lot of people bought television so it was kind of a spirit to the creation of an of a world of Media in this country it really feels like media has come just I mean it to space exploration from the 7th is power so it's really kind of seemed appropriate to me to reflect about how were using these new tools to commemorate her passing just as we we brought onboard television as a tool to celebrate her Coronation I quite like that actually quite near London Bridge and I went to look at the queue the other day and I feel that I should be a queue people watching the minute because it's fascinating to see to see the people lining up to see just how many people did she volume and numbers and I was watching the Echo what Karen says about the people on my

Broadcasters when it came home to me the challenges they face to literally just talk incessantly for hours on end was on the was when the little tears of the in the cars travelling from Scotland you know one particle to another about taking hours and hours and hours and the BBC iTV the commentators.

Just had to talk about that with the helicopter shot following the car hours on end and that really brought home.

You know that that is an incredible task and one more shout-out shout-out ITV because that people do assume that you know I think it's been a really good anchor for this having his slightly less formal and slightly than the BBC I would save as you might expect from my TV so I think I've done a really good job themselves.

Slightly less complex than the miocene times of royal Correspondents as well, so dare.

I say so, I think they've done a good job.

I find it through for a newspaper and now is is a freelancer.

She lives near me to her husband taking their daughter to school then she's got my daughter and I stopped and said to him.

He said I haven't seen her to collect your clothes because obviously change your clothes and I think that's what that's what is 1800 of people and not seeing their families walking a tightrope realising that if they say one thing wrong frankly all hell could break loose and having to be constantly dignified constant spectral keep the conversation going try to be informative in somewhere.

I mean I just take my hat off to them.

I think it's such an impressive piece of work.

They've done across all channels really that will be remembered and looked back on in all documentaries looking back at this historic period and of course we thought that in our own little bit of reflect further Queen's life this week's m quiz is

A22 remembering some of her majesty's favourite Media the same rules apply in which boys if you want to answer boys you say slightly delicious pause there and Karen you were say Karen ok great.

So it's basically a quick game of true or false off we go question the number one the Queen Centre handwritten notes to Strictly Come Dancing performers praising their fantastic performance to or false false true ex-marine and son of the Queen's former chaplain that she sent him a handwritten note saying that she enjoyed watching Strictly Come Dancing with him on it so there you go to the queen might have enjoyed watching Strictly but was not a fan of dancing herself true or false.

That's false.

I understand she Loved a bit of other 18 musical years her cousin Lady Elizabeth Anson said Her Majesty enjoy the dance floor had great rhythm and was a huge fan of musical theatre show tunes so I get ABBA The Musical will be able to that question number for halfway there boys still chance for you to win the Queen loved the sitcom the kumars at number 42 true or false that is true.

I'm delighted to report that that is I think her favourite to come true according to BBC channel is Phil Jones shared memory some of the lines from Riverside grandmother character, so is amazing genuinely amazing question number for the Queen's favourite Christmas movie with a site.

Play Flash Gordon true or false side of the Campus films in Motion Picture history, is it is a great story I have no idea whether it's true that somebody told me this week, but apparently the Queen wanted to leave an event early, so that she can go home and watch an episode of Twin Peaks phenomena, but that's not a question then just now but yes I coding to the Flash Gordon one.

It is true according to Brian Blessed he claims the Queen revealed to him that she watches me with grandchildren every Christmas and even asked him to say Gordon's alive the police them.

I just love that truly.

What does no outright winner to this week's Media quiz so I guess in a way you both lose that is.

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