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I chat to CNN correspondent Michael Holmes to tell about working in Lviv in Ukraine in the music industry.

That's coming up in this edition of the media podcast this week Stuart Ramsay Sky News team were injured after a Russian ambush in Ukraine and Russia fake news laws regarding the BBC temporarily suspending reporting now while they decide to resume.

Not the case for CNN Bloomberg and the New York Times you've all indefinitely suspended journalistic activity in Russia ITV Paul brand is reveal Tilby fronting the Tonight program.

That's the UK which current affairs show I'm probably take himself out of the running for the BBC political editor job at the same time meanwhile channel for ITV BBC STV UKTV bossy and parliament.uk have all United to create a disability access passports the initiative aims to Foster a more supportive and inclusive workplace and the rise in the cost of living is really starting to hurt with Netflix jacking up.

It's prices to 699 £10.99 and £15.99 depending on your package those Newbridge town episodes of don't pay for themselves and someone will be first pics when stepping out is the times Media correspondent Jake kanter Jake you been there a posse on a big BBC story about exodus of diversity executor.

What's been going on? We'll have lost their head of crazy Kirsty when we come around the Weyland and at the same time they've been a few other departures of executives from diverse backgrounds and I think there's a bit of a coincidence in the timing so I don't think there's a sort of collusion between them to leave at the same time, but it's not a great look for the BBC the BBC is tried to work hard to bring in diversity executives and improve the diversity of its management team and this suggests that the executives feel like they can get better jobs elsewhere some around the whale and the couple I've just given she's been posted by Amazon I think I will be announced at some point this morning the market for diversity executives in television is running red hot at the moment.

You can go and earn lots of money because they bring a level of expertise to programming and they can.

All that your shows and films in the case of Amazon or better reflecting the country and are more representative of the subscriber base, but there's this kind of need to get more people from diverse backgrounds out of the the lower ends of the TV industry and an intimate intimate relations apart the reason they can be kind of posters that they haven't got enough people up through the ranks of the ladder.

This is one of the big issues in in television at the moment.

Is that there are lots of entry level schemes for people from different backgrounds and the TV industry doesn't have an issue with that what it does have an issue with is as you say career progression and making sure the opportunities are there for people to move up the ladder properly and get paid properly for those jobs and this is.

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Got Brian weekly newsletter worth watching and you lots of shows the explaining the situation in Ukraine what would be your top recommendations for all the things that they should start watching there was a really good documentary on last night's by Matt Frei by Channel 4 news that looked at the transition from comedian to the president of Ukraine selenski story and of course.

I think many people know that he did a comedy called servants of the people directly before actually running for president imitating art of course.

He's also been the voice of Paddington 1 and 2 and he's also been and the winner of dancing on the stars of the Ukraine version of Strictly Come Dancing

What I find fascinating is not just the transition that he's had from being a comedian to to being president.

It is the skills is managed to have in that transition so one thing but the men have been praising in regards to the information war against President Putin is is really clear concise use of quotes is his real clear way.

He does seem like a normal politician in a many people have said there's many similarities between him Churchill factory managers 22 really relate and bring people on and I think that comes back to his career.

He already had millions of followers, but also knew he was running for president how to use Instagram how to use Twitter how to use 1 minutes videos and he used a kind of a very difference method when running for president of speaking directly to the viewer using social media and another many chem.

Able skills and it's interesting to see that transition from a from him being a comedian to him being the president but also Channel 4 so you have have also bought some of the people that comedy that you can watch on all4 and I think one thing that really straight through to me from watching that it's just that you can tell that is such a love letter to you mean his his love for the country is so evidence and watching of course is now that is with sadness because you know what is now happening in the country and of course that was never the plan when this sitcom was originally made but it's spirits it's it's fascinating and three sounds of the day where it's a start on his phone and it goes into his office just to come show that he's on his office.

It's not a set and then the camera cuts to.

Additional camera and the ability together packaged - thing when they're dealing with such actions are all the cross their country, but it does help them then cut through keep keep everyone motivated and keeping up to fight and I think that that that documentary caps into that the comedy also really reflects that I think also there's a couple of other goods documentaries on at the moment that help explain ukraine's why the contacts.

How do we get to this point? There's a flex you have pulled out of Russia arms and getting any new subscribers on have uploaded a film about 6 years ago.

That was very popular on Netflix about Ukraine and that was like talking about one of the old one of the president's and the relationship he had with Russia and her that lead to an uprising in the country and the

It's actually took that uploaded that to YouTube for free so that's that's on there.

You just need to put in Ukraine Netflix and there's also a storyville documentary that looks into tightening need restrictions within Russia particularly TV rain which was independent TV network recently closed down after this documentary has ended but it looks like that this network that really had no first of the about independent Media it was very much can a passion project but then becomes this this big independent network and it's an interesting way about where we're gonna sort of be seen with Russia now the meaning of restrictions and it's consequences for before the people of Russia during services.

Disney has said it's going to debut an ad-supported version of a subscription service Disney plus towards takeaways this decision come from where this so you're going to get cheaper access to Disney plus, but presumably I have two stomachs and pre-roll.

Maybe mid-roll adverts.

Disney clearly believe that there's Headroom innit subscriber base and they've got plenty more to grow.

They got a set of target of hitting up to 260 million subscribe and they're about 200 million at the moment and put into context Netflix's 222 million, so could overtake Netflix I think that's the ambition anyway.

Just think this is this is fascinating and really smart idea that you can have this kind of hybrid Video on Demand service and it gives consumers more choice and that can only be a good thing I think and look at looking at in America there's some of the services that have a look at more can I add funding in them who has combo of ads and subscriptions show me the alarm it down to the average revenue per user and actually the ad funded streamers do pretty well on that and if your subscription service that isn't like a 1099 15991.

Having the add money is is actually quite important to up your total revenue it's to keep the subscription costs down for example if you go onto NOW TV which of course is a different company, but they have now subtly putting adverts in and I was speaking to somebody about my there but that might be the case and ever saying well.

Otherwise would have to just pump up the price and that would mean that it would make it less lucrative and for the consumer more frustrating because they're going to have to pay even more to what shows are they weren't so I think there's always going to be this battle between having some to help keep the cost down but not doing it too much that you for straight people who already paying and I think also it's a strategy to just know your audience better because then you can talk if you can do it by demographic.

This is going to be a new model and which you'll be able to target them in the same way that TV advertising target still able to have different channels that allow them to have.

Certain advertisers in there, so it's trying to make a new model waiting for a new generation in the same way that it did when it was on cable for Disney so there's so there's that I thinking interesting thing is that though I've seen this wider sense of prices increasing so for example.

There's been a long going round all Netflix is much cheaper than the BBC you know maybe the BBC should be having different funding model but as you can see it's really getting to the case.

There's not much difference between the two so I did some calculations and apologies.

I got to see it GCSE maths.

What is all falls down to my Mathematics do blame me but like for example if you go for a standard tier 4 Netflix it's not going up to £10.99 a month so that will cost £131.88 per year and if you use the premium to hear that even goes up even higher it goes up to.

100-in £180 or so and a cause for TV licence is only 159 a premium you already now going to be paying more than the TV licence throughout the whole year and it was that come to blows over so you can go down even on a standard to you.

There's a difference of 30 quid now and and caught in the long term with the amount of money that Netflix has burning and also the growing but that is a bit concerned thinking at one point was going to overtake the other people going to have to make a choice now.

Then people will inevitably have to make choices about which subscription.

They eventually use more than others household finances are limited with seeing a big squeeze on on household income at the moment and and bring up yeah that will I think everybody have a consequence of the for the industry because people are going to have to make choices about where they're watching and let's face it having a Netflix Disney apple.

Amazon subscription one of those or two of those will be seen as luxuries that can be discarded and it's fascinating that we are seeing these price increases unilaterally used by these subscription services and at the same time the BBC's funding has just been frozen for 2 years that is the environment the BBC's competing in and it's a difficult one.

I don't see how the BBC can carry on with a licence fee that is stagnant while all of its major rivals investing huge sums of money into the industry and are able to raise their prices without even warning their subscribers.

I mean Netflix just announced this yesterday and we're drivers if you are have a subscribe that have a subscription will just have to suck it up, but I also think there's a bit of a balance in that these streaming services could be seen to be quite vulnerable if

Do I really have to subscribe see you I could easily cut Netflix and go to Disney plus.

I had a lot of people who have told me something.

I do share that Netflix is recent content offering apart from a couple of shows I was coming quite underwhelming for quite a while, so I could think they could be a scenario where as there has been in the past Netflix makes deals to help essentially pop-up drama at spending money because they think well we get the visibility plus we get the prestige and then also the BBC goes right we can get our shows funds, but then Netflix can have international distribution and self but I can certainly see more of an environment that that actually streaming services can be bonnabel as BBC does just because they might be having issues down the road.

I just returning subscribers.

I think we probably going to see people crazy.

I am in and it means you have to be on top.

It doesn't it and you have to be cancelling subscriptions and restarting them and that can be annoying but I think people will kind of say well.

I kind of completed Netflix for this vs.

Great new drama on Apple or whatever it maybe I'm going to switch over for a month Netflix having his own trouble as you say, they are also several other countries one of many big tech companies having trouble in Russia where I the Russia has blocked access to services or the server system cells have stopped broadcasting coping less services to to Russian people waiting to see where they can companies give in all the Kremlin Gibson who where does the balance of power lie in Russia at the moment difficult to say without being on the ground in Russia as you say Twitter

Tiktok is effectively been blocked in in Russia I mean I think what we've seen is a huge cultural and tekening against the actions that Russia taken in Ukraine and the Tech companies are part of that.

It's unfortunate that Russian people are losing access to the services which may give them information that they can't get in that country it may know it's a way to circumvent the Kremlin propaganda machine, but Russians are finding other ways to seek out the information that they want so we've seen in the last couple of weeks that VPN have Risen to the top of the App Store charts in Russia we know that telegram is extremely popular in Russia and that is where local people looking information about what's going on in Ukraine that is not from the Kremlin

It's a shame that the likes of the BBC and other media services are not able to directly access Russian people but they're also coming up with ways to get there information out there at 8 for example is one way that the BBC is hoping that Russian people can get hold of its content they've launched on tiktok for first time.

I had quite a bit of resistance to doing that but I've decided to embrace tiktok in the last few days and even know tiktok to effectively blocked in Russia I think they the hope is that the BBC because tiktok videos are so shareable you can download them in and share the one of the platforms really easily is that the BBC's content will find its way to Russian people almost of through others and so I think it's the right thing for the BBC to be embracing tiktok.

Not just because of the conflict in Ukraine but because it's where the young people are.

And ultimately they are future generations of licence for a joke was saying did tiktok ban in Russian users from posting.

We are kind of ending up with the sound of a second firewall haven't we are in love with the internet a big speech to have lots of discussion about this week Russia may be taking themselves off of the the public internet and it's a problem for discourse, isn't it for the for this course because of course we're having the battle between reliable impartial the realities of what's happening Ukraine not getting through to Russians balls at the same time.

I think Russian propaganda trying to be blocked in terms of getting it to our world as well and I think that the what you're seeing is when when we Titan services in the UK they would an equally Titan services in in Russia and our consequences to 2 warden Ave

Getting the information from the BBC all from trusted Western news organisations telling them what's happening then? That's more than reliability of them there for going to be relying on the Russian information from their own services which has been seen to just propaganda.

So so the consequences of this is going to be far-reaching and I think it longer lasting than done Warren in Ukraine and I think I I agree with what date was saying about tiktok if anything like the BBC be dragging their feet and content if you look at some of the journalists on there, they know that young people are lying it on and on on information on a news on there, but if you look at for example Victoria Derbyshire she's got 383000 followers and all she does is recap.

What's been happening over the previous day and within Ukraine is also Sophia Smith galer who now works advice, but the normal work on using tiktok and highlighting its Powerful

Advocating for all ages and she's got more than 350000 the BBC news, so far only been going for a week, but I've only got 4000 followers, so you hope they able to accelerate as they do they got like 80 million followers on Instagram and Corsair reaches is absolutely huge, but I think for while there was probably snobbery within the BBC thinking that they were of tiktok and now actually they're going over God that's where all the answers.

Yes, I know I spoke to Nelson head of digital BBC News head of digital yesterday and she said the reason they ultimately adopted tiktok is because of the sort of Revolution among some of the young employees they were saying you need to be on tiktok.

This is where information is playing out about the war it is where young people are discovering content about the crisis in Ukraine we need to be part of that conversation.

If not to just be involved, but also to tackle some of the misinformation and disinformation that exists on tiktok listening to you a lot of reports of last few weeks this split between older and younger audiences in Russia where you're even as those networks of being shut down as you were saying Jake telegram is still Tuesday popular and used by Russia have survived Eddie any properly and was designed by Russians originally people repurposing information people sharing information from from ukraine's essential though if you're 60 you watch government TV all day you you believe you believe what's being said.

Yeah, I mean Russia attempted to ban 10 years ago and singly failed because I think I've got very smart way in which they operate the services and let's hosted and therefore even though it was banned government.

Please we using it to disseminate information to people so is it this kind of situation why telegram is really established from Russia but you're right.

I think there is clearly speaking to people out there been speaking to her former Russia Today RT employee he's been based in Moscow and there is this generational divide your right people older people getting information from the Kremlin they are more likely to accept the kremlin's line for young people are a bit more enlightened and I'm in the very broad generalisations and I'll able to access information by telegram another another social media sources on the topic of the Ukraine this week.

I spoke to news anchor and international correspondent Michael Holmes season war correspondent including students in Northern Ireland the first Gulf war and Rwanda Michael shared his perspective on reporting from love it where he is at the moment is conversations.

Sky News team and a determination that drives journalists to get stories told by the Romanian Revolution in 1938 the conflict I covered the most was Rock I went up with the Marines at the beginning in April 3 and and I was last there in 16 covering the retaking Mosul from Isis so I went to a gathering the war 17 times.

I think I spent two-and-a-half years of my life it when you're coming at ya so beauty main thing you don't want to get killed for a story and you know I'm lost the lot of friends in Conflict I lost 5 friends in Iraq I was too and Afghanistan and a couple of colleagues and I knew very well in Libya covering the Revolution there, so you know you got to know when to pull back you got to know when to pull out the problem with Wars is.

You do everything and still get killed.

I mean I mean to people I know that I could name you famous photographer Tim Hetherington was one of them is rather in Libya do everything I just got covered complex whole life he would have known exactly what to be doing in when and mortar rounds in the Square where is standing and he bleeds out.

How many did you put I get on basically a couple of examples of that but I can give you just can't account for that's just just really silly like you tried to mitigate as much as you can the risks but you know it's a warning was different because the first like having one of the first complex error where the media was not potential Collateral Damage the media was a target and high-value target weissensee would have loved nothing better.

Orange jumpsuits in our heads off on YouTube and we are keenly aware of that and you know in 2004 I was in an ambush where we were the target your simply because we're Western is not even comes with media.

We don't have a choice of my room idea, but we're into you know white vehicles driving down the highway from Hela in the south of the country back to be back by 2 cars and two guys still up out of the sunrise and with us up and my translator the radius to Mohammed and one of our drivers killed in that attack my cameraman sitting next to me was shot in the head live to tell the time when you see it right now actually in this very hotel and you know security guard in time everything good shot.

We will all be killed for certainly kill the guy that was so you know those things happen.

We go through safety training we go through medical Battlefield training.

I'm looking at my flat jacket sitting in the corner of this room right now which is hi Colin I may be going up to bed with the Marine unit said the plates in our body armour and helmets with better quality than there's sodium intake set very seriously and we have security with us.

I don't say how many but we have a number of the security guys here and you know they're not really special forces guys as guys here to sign up at the stag and very seriously and last week.

We heard hear about skymusic Stuart Ramsay and his team who when you talk there about you know been lucky un I mean sound like a hugely lucky with their situation that they managed to get out of here.

I don't know how they got when you look at that video and you and I both know Dominic producer.

Crew and she messaged me not long afterwards and it was actually very emotional thing because I care very much about her she and I were here in 2014 covering the uprising improving then we went to the Crimea and cabin the referendum they made the Russia annexe Crimea Wii remotes old together.

We were.

Oh my god.

We reinvented place to get some very close to here and when that happened to things what I've gone through in 2004 made that I have visceral understanding of what she gone through and because I care for her very much.

I was enormously upset about that and she came through here on their way out and having talked to her then and message there a few times sent she was together about it, then I was no psychiatrist, but I think she will go through stages of things because I slept like it and I'm just glad no one died there and when I looked at that video it brought back alive for the volume of Fire and bullets coming through the car and all that sort of thing which you know he's is seeing into my brain and will be now in hers.

I frankly I can't believe the there was one minor gunshot wound out of an animation of all the time it was it was a horrible experience and yeah, that's an example of.

You know things can happen you can you think you're doing the right thing they went down a road that they've been told was ok, and it wasn't and they still sat down and made the package at the end of all of that.

Do you like I said they got out of jeans after that and they were getting out the Poland because the correspondent need a little bit more treatment and was trying to go after something that happened and I came through and they stay here in our hotel on the periphery of those conversations with Sky was like now is not the time and they were like yes, the good reasons sky Management with pushing back in a couple of days ago on this, but they were passionate about getting it out and meta-analysis Razorlight I get that they won't doing that for you know tabloid reason.

They were doing that because that was a story that needed to be told and I remember from my own experience we've been down.

In the South of a rocket place called killer hold elections in Batman you know this story and dried was doing the translating the whole time and then we driving back to Baghdad he gets killed.

There is a lot of fall out from that emotionally for all of it.

So you know we had a lot of survivors and those of a suit survive crew.

We all said at the time when was one of us have been killed by when we got back to Baghdad

I have decided like that.

I think it was a reaction to what happened.

I was absolutely going to put that down snoring together and I was putting that story together and I put it together that night and I told ladder you better run the shit out of it and then I did because that had the roads voice on it get why they wanted to get that to hear it was for the right reasons to support them.

Yeah.

That was Michael Holmes talking to us from the love of in Ukraine today which is Friday at he'll be recorded 1/120 show in less than 4 weeks from the city if you wanted the full interview of fascinating day in the life at the CNN Anchor in a war zone.

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Welcome back to Jacobs got a still with me and it's time for some media news in brief is Morgan Everyone's Favourite is returning to the screens with a new show Piers Morgan and scented as part of his 50 million deal with News UK with a bit of a mini trail this week in Morgan says he's chosen to annoy all the right people is this just bitterness the who'd have thought it Inn baby come and take the new shows going to broadcast in the UK us and Australia global TV success.

They going to be going to manage it you think I have to be a little careful about what I say a Morgan I'm afraid of giving that my employer is also his employer what I can say there's a lot of work going on behind the scenes on this show and talk to you.

Some really smart hires people like Aaron Gordon have come over from Good Morning Britain to join Piers Morgan and they know how to produce very high quality television and I have no doubt that it will launch really professionally and they will they will give it a really good go internationally they clearly believe there is an audience in Australia and America for peers and what he does and his brand of topical current affairs and we'll see how it goes.

I think you there is clearly a lot of ambition behind what is being done Scott we've seen a lot of these things this this idea of cancelling the culture.

I do worry that there's so much cancelling if the cancel culture.

There's no cancel culture actually left to be cancelled is there enough room in the council culturing market?

Another service is the fourth cancel culture related show like either having a recurring feature about cancel culture giving interviews people who are supposed to be cancelled or doing documentary style shows that look into cancel culture people who have been cancelled cancel culture related shows for people who been cancelled surprising given the platform cancellation that's funny.

So it's so it's the case of like you're getting things to documentaries on channel for GB news levels in the stuff and now you've got this to I mean obviously the whole pizzas job is to to cause that kind of the big debate.

I just wonder what else is going to be on Talk TV I find it fascinating if you compare the launch for this all the compared to the Lord's GB news GB news spent so much money but also emphasise the whole schedule emphasise that there's this all of these.

Show the course whether they've worked or not is heavily debated according to whether you are a fan of GB news or not, but we've talked CD it seems to be entirely around Piers Morgan sofa hasn't couple of other signings that they bought over nothing been announced yet.

Also might changed.

They might have the plan implemented but it seems to be the entire of talk to you is just going to be Piers Morgan like spent all the money on I know I know I know that yes, we're starting to see some kind of colour bars popping up on some of the satellite TV platforms, so they haven't announced the launch date, but it seems pretty close.

I think too probably popping up and we won't Shakedown Jake for the four boys heard about her launch dates, but I know I didn't know I was making a run by the way.

Careful when talking about talk.tv.

I'm sorry well.

I think we should have probably hit more about it in the next couple of weeks all of the world of the media quiz this week it entitle the musical in order of British band glass animals making history with a single heatwaves topping the billboard Hot 100 this week.

We done music themes and media quiz all describe a line from the audio industry.

You just tell me who is the subject of the story ok three rounds in buzzing with your name if you know the answers 0jq assay, and Scott you say Scots let's play musical milestones right number one which English singer is going to be hosting a brand new show on radio 10 Jake is Mollie King it is Mollie King a previously of The Saturdays she's going to be hosting a 2-hour show dedicated to new and emerging UK and international Pop

Artists of the changes this week anything that sort of structure from their new line up.

I think they're spending a lot more emphasis they've changed a lot of daytime shows that changing Walker specialist shows I think it's trying to ensure because young listeners are so so many different types of music is trying to make sure that each genre of music has got a dedicated show for it.

I think specialism on the on on radio.

What is much wider than it used to be that this is the case it feels like radio One's gonna change recently and it takes awhile for listening to settle and I think you've been covering that having you about their wages in and how well that they're performing, but I'm thinking that we're going to have to wait a little longer to see whether it's going to be a success of September and the reason and early to put out to tender so you need to know the

For you for those and that's why I that's why I love your knowledge man.

You know everything is streaming app has moved into music distribution this week.

I've got no idea.

I know because they read this but don't don't don't ruin the magic of the median.

Let me just open my email tiktok.

Yes, what do you know what it's doing? It's his own music marketing distribution platform sound on and I think the name is to help artists get their music heard that were you reading that Jake I think yeah, what's it about this one is allowed artist themselves to upload.

I think directly into tiktok.

Where is normally things come through aggregators, so to get onto.

Amazon music but they're lying people to upload directly Allister platform, which is quite speedy in making something I hit maybe that even reduces the time to morality down to a really short amount of time so we'll see how that how that works for them and finally a question number three we're back at least not look to disappointing with Jake's which comedian is going to make a fabulous debut in exploring the world of opera Scotty hello shepherding Talent form from over the road down to Leicester Square is of course.

I think she's going to be doing a show on that and it is an interesting time to workout globals plan.

It's not just getting the Talent in it's also getting the audience to them follow them and I think it's you know there was this week we saw Andrew Marr starting his show on LBC and having some big get some matzo be interesting to see whether the listeners follow cos it's not it's not just a can of people listen to suffer ma tea, and it's trying to build a new new relationship with it might not expect.

Yeah, because it's always done.

This is going to be presenting a Sunday night series from the couch to the Opera House on Classic FM looking wonderful world of opera.

I'm short will be tuning in a box.

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