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Hi lovely to have you here now Hollywood strikes over and impacts is only now starting to be felt particularly in the lack of new shows being released, but there's two impacts because of the writer's strike.

How's it in practise some of the glasses that we see around London interesting idea of obviously the films and TV Productions being delayed would impact obvious things TV cinema streamers that but I thought out of home which one of my beats would also be affected.

I did a little digging into this and they kind of found it was there were minor declines for jc24 clear channel, UK and it was a flat you're near Media entertainment the first half of the earth, but what from the agency sources I speak into there was saying actually next year.

It's going to be where you see that real impact on that go across all media so I know we are used to the odds on the buses on the tubes on IMAX and there's a lot of TV series and other films either being cancelled even when they're kind of completely fine for being pushed back and that is maybe not so much I can no revenue on panic situation, but like it might just be pushed down the road to visit adding onto the would love a bit of m uncertainty and I will say during his family.

I think you famous is deadlines Jake cancer.

Hi Jake hi.

How are you?

Play a big investigations arises on your house.

It's just a reminder of my university days that post are so which is always welcome.

The strike has been keeping this very busy unfortunately.

It's had a significant impact here in the UK you know when America sneezes putting gets a cold but people are very relieved that it's over and are looking forward to going back to work because it has significantly impacted production here in the UK and I don't think we're going to see a full return to strength until the new will you been busy working on and investigations particularly Hartshead which I guess if viewers and listeners don't know is a psycho college for further drug and there's been a bit of trouble though.

That's right.

It's so I mean it's it's a very highly esteemed drama school former alumni include Julie Andrews and

Catherine Zeta Jones and it has significant support from Andrew Lloyd Webber is the president of the school and has funded it to the tune of millions of pounds in the past.

I've been waiting series of stories about the culture and climate of drama schools for the past few months and that's been looking at misconduct sexual misconduct bullying harassment discrimination within these institutions which are factories for world-class acting Talent and my took me to upset and it's sort of been held up as an example of a school which is experiencing particular difficulty at the moment and there is a lot of anger and unease about the principal at the school or Spencer I've spoken to more than 20 people who have had.

Direct interactions with with with Spencer and she has been accused of bullying and misconduct and generally of keeping well making it unsafe to students at the school strongly strongly refute allegations and says that has worked to create a better environment for those students over the past 4 years more people coming out the woodwork since since the story drops.

Yeah, I've not had a response to the story quite like it to be honest.

I've written lots of sensitive pieces in the past an involved pieces, but I have more than 50 people get in contact with me after we published all with fresh allegations which we are examined while you can catch up the story of deadline.com Sport select committee have been holding an inquiry into high-end TV and film production in the UK the aims to understand what tax breaks can do.

Unpack the wider economy in their submission weren't they yeah, we're at the start of this process now and a culture select committee has been inviting admissions and has just started publishing some of them before oral evidence which will see you over the next few weeks.

I should imagine it's been really welcomed by the industry of this enquiry and you can see that in the level of response that they've had I don't think they are published every submission and there are tens of them.

I've never seen so many for a parliamentary enquiry to sort of getting a favour of when they see the industry going over the next two years and it's very rare you hear from companies like Amazon talking specifically about the UK it's quite and this mission is definitely bullish.

They want to see the UK preserved as a really attractive place to how their Productions like the new Lord of the Rings series.

How much is a shot in the UK but they're saying that the market is Hyper competitive and the UK could lose its advantage at any point to other territories and needs to make sure that the incentives are there for big studios to carry on making shows here in the UK they want some of that government cash Ella 92% of a spend was from foreign investment according to the Wi-Fi with the strike that have a real impact on people's lives.

Is there anything the government can do to make the industry Moussa or is this just keeping the cash flowing wondering what the other territories were is quite curious with Amazon was kind of obliquely referring to that were making themselves attractive and what that looks like in whether it is that kind of those the the workforce and kind of because there is a bit of a drain on that on that in terms of thickness is also kind of tied up with the strike.

It's kind of made some people reconsider.

Is this like a viable area skills and Talents as well that is is something I think of that obviously money.

Did you see the stat Warner Brothers submitted about the Barbie bounce explained to the local economy and created 685 jobs during its production in the UK it is surprising how much of an impact a TV show or film can have 14 things that spending 5060 million-pound.

It's a lot of cash to take to come into the country is a great phrase well done that we pay the tax which is Which is also fine.

He was an absolute and we are staying in the numbers and

It just goes to show how important the creative Industries to the UK economy the government says that it recognises that and I'm sure they will be watching is enquiry very nicely what from wanted to stream it to another person questions have been raised about Apple in the US after lawmakers.

They expressed concern over the cancellation of Jon Stewart Apple TV show last lol what's the issue with this one from my very understanding.

It's that kind of you know you want to be making headlines, but not too controversial and that reflect back on on them so and especially Wendy us relationship with China is strange.

Can we say so, this is John Stewart Court saying to staff that it was sort of cancelled because they were comfortable about some of the stories particularly backchina all places that maybe apple need to keep sweet.

Obviously all of these kinds of apple and companies that always looking at potential markets go into and so if if if that was kind of going to come across and maybe alienate that huge market again coming down to money then then that could be problematic for them the first time Hollywood studio would have some issues with China is this from Apple or was it just something that bit more than conclusions being jump to it was Tim Cook send a memo saying no mentions of China I don't know if I if I had that I would be writing a story right now rather than speaking to you know dust but it hasn't commented officially and really does to be honest.

It's so it's a very tight lipped company at the best of times.

What we do know is that they take a very careful approach to commissioning.

They are very considered in the shows and the films that they invest in and we know that it takes a keen interest in what is coming out of Apple TV Plus and it wouldn't surprise me if they are looking at shows like John Stewart and weighing up very carefully in terms of the benefits of it provides subscribers vs.

Any potential issues that creates in what is yoke not just a key market in terms of consumers, but clearly a lot of apples technology comes from China and production capability and therefore this is a really delicate issue.

He showed it to me that thinks this John Stewart sort of hedging your bets slightly about the future of the implications or is maybe just the show was probably on the way out anyway, because I don't have Apple TV Plus and maybe that's the thing is that it is that kind of segmented.

It's not going out today that big an audience moments on on Twitter specifically the main way of consumed it you've got these fabulous interrogations where John Stewart poles apart American politicians and does what he does best and it will be a shame if we lost that because this show isn't being made and James Corden and his new podcast now.

I Jamie Laing from Made In Chelsea that he's got podcast ambitions to obviously a prolific podcast but his own pockets network jampot Hircine to uta.

Lots out there.

How to become a network so thinking maybe Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe they've got to keep it light in the others do you think it's good for him to try and try and turn yourself into a bit of studio thinking about the benefits of for both sides and I guess I kind of parallel.

I would I would see it slightly different but I'm going to go for anyway is Elizabeth day going with Sony music entertainment is privacy independently kind of produced and did all of us and that actually going with that network give her what she was saying at the IRB podcast upfront with you know the Promotion in marketing and that kind of kind of force behind you and maybe that's what Jamie Laing thinking when he's got multiple podcasts and he's now with this talent agency that it kind of strength in this kind of thing podcasting.

It's a bit of a tough a market that it was a year or two ago scale.

Doesn't it gives them more thing?

Your pies if he is responsible for more shows a lot of which kind of with the source of Jamie Laing Cinematic Universe of characters from from Made In Chelsea the temperatures, but why not sure if it works if there is an audience for those reality TV stars they would probably Bristol at that Monica it's constructed reality isn't it? But that's what they are fundamentally and I think that Jamie Jamie Laing is clearly bit of an entrepreneur.

He runs his sweet company candy kittens and I think it's like he's got some connection to the McVitie's Dynasty so this is blood and yeah, we're seeing waterproof produces sign up with a big American agents in in the podcasting world this feels like kind of the next step in that and whatever you think it made in Chelsea Jamie Laing he's clearly.

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We've been doing some top fact-checking about this McVitie's stuff and Jamie Laing because before the break Jamie is the great great grandson of sir Alexander

1st baronet who in 1980 92 invented the McVitie's digestive biscuits here since said that is Jamie not the dead, but I'm not up to anything always talk about this.

I don't know where this is come from so either its secrets give money or maybe we've just because he does need to run his own podcast network ok Paul and the BBC have been talking about the commissions this week the big content Charlotte Moore was at the Belfast Media festival championing blue lights and other northern Productions and cats often Channel 4 has said his team are picking up the pace on commissioning Jake would that be the feeling of freelancers, but they picked up the no answer freelancers and producers are I mean?

It's quite difficult.

I was trying to summarise this before coming on the show but it's very difficult to articulate the level of anger.

There is in the UK mock the moment about Channel 4 producers up absolutely Furious with what's going on there at the moment.

They don't feel like they're being communicated to properly they think the channel is not spending it efficiently in fact is not spending money at all.

Really.

I don't know a lot of people would deny that there is much commissioning spend at all at the moment Channel 4 shows a big news from this year's next year and now they're being rude from next year to 2025.

There is a feeling that channel 4 is desperate to turn a surplus this year has been a really difficult year in terms of the ad market and there is suspicion among producers that it is doing up a political reasons the political.

Being that obviously Channel 4 made a big play of its sustainability as part of its argument against privatisation and if it posted its first year since it's future was secure than that the Optics of that are particularly great.

So there's this is going around among producers that it's so desperate to desperately scrambling to to post the surplus that these decisions are having an impact on others and there is a general sense that it should break the glass on its revolving credit facility this 75000000 credit facility that has but I mean that's clearly not going to happen and I would say increasingly that sort of an overwhelming sense the Producers want regime change channel 4, they think it needs a creative renewal.

I want to see a new chief executive.

They want to see a new she's content officer.

There's no indication of that's going to happen anytime soon.

There's been waves and speculation about Alexei on any in his future but for now.

They're both staying put and there's an argument that says they should because channels in a tight spot and it wouldn't be great for their legacies if they jump ship now.

There is a dangerous man trying to look good for government could cause trouble for there for the ongoing also that a lot of them had a locking didn't they over the over this period which obviously haven't sorted 1.9.

Put them up for sale so I guess that expire at some point to some of that feeling from the sector meeting their contractual changes props and change I suppose it certainly reject the allegation that this is politically motivated.

They would say that this is just cyclical add market difficulties.

There was some up to over the summer that things will improve in the second half of this year all indications suggest that that is not happening that they had market is not Bouncing Back in the way the sun broadcasters.

Night so that you you're in a situation, where is where does that leave channel foreign if it's not if things are not improving and commissioning is still incredibly slow produces prophecy going to be really frustrated and yeah the level of oscillation is palpable BBC journalists Creed on Tuesday to end a month-long clash over job cuts off the BBC last October it was / nearly 140 local radio jobs.

What's been happening with this kind of part of that move to go more digital and share all of the this program across the different local radio stations in so you wouldn't need to use as many like produces presenters etc.

We don't really happy about no one would be happy about that the unions so what do unions were really trying to argue for is arguing gangsters kind of compulsory redundancies.

And pausing of like the local sharing a local news bulletin cos that's the main reason people listen to the radio as you want your local weather traffic news and then income protection because then you just won't be left high and dry.

So that was the first of the few sticking points in in the reason why they were calling for strike action then part of the agreement, but I think 70 is 70% of a member that voted agreed on this deal.

I mean Jake it's been quite off time for the teams and beeps like a radio and this is dragged on amount of time is negative is this a little bit of a positivity in this story does this mean the BBC can sort of cannot get on with their plans and this is the last sort of argument that they've they faced.

I mean it's been an incredibly crawling dispute yo the first strikes took place in March but the arguments.

Play the weather this is the right plan well beyond that I do think it's really it's a good thing that this is there some agreement now.

You know the National Union of journalists and talk about safeguards for jobs and income protection for four members so that they clearly positive things but I really do miss out on weather has been the right decision by the BBC the industrial action is over but the argument over whether this is the right plan will continue I think and talk about local radio.

This is the BBC strategy overall.

They are taking money out of additional broadcasting and putting into digital.

So this is this dispute it could be potential to the Future 2 speeds and I wouldn't be surprised if we see industrial action in other areas across the BBC minutes was the first major strike at the BBC series 2010.

Signify elders and then there's the other thing which is audiences yo audiences are still unhappy about these changes.

There was a piece in the observed over the weekend from Tara Conlan which set really well all the various issues around the around the country.

You know the boycott in Kent complaints about scheduling changes yo Ofcom concerns a lack of transparency about the Wild Things Are being communicated.

So this is far from Don Ofcom have sorted ignored a lot of it and you could argue haven't even eat.

I followed the rules that they should be following in looking into BBC changes.

They seem to have woken up a little bit over the past few weeks.

Well that political pressure or other pressure on them.

So there is no more to the more to this story still to come outside is interesting most of that is driven by Elizabeth losing like their favourite presenters.

Any sort of let about localisation realisation and I would still most of the bastards listeners, don't even hear that on there, but have lost a lot of people that they enjoyed listening to so I think there's all that sort of still to come every time.

I look at it and I've been through a lot of these in commercial radio commercial any changes happen very very quickly and the horrible things you did them sort of within the week or two sometimes all on the same day where they're running at changes in regions region by region, so is that a constant drum of another beloved Breakfast Show presenter is said goodbye or all got mean on social media so a little bit just been handled and Incredibly badly but again it did the story continues to roll on the changes are just taking so long to happen because if It Moves quickly and was sucking people all in one go there would be accused of being.

Like ridiculously ruthless and guarding broadcasting legacies all over the country and so I do have some sympathy with the BBC it finds it very difficult to make cuts.

It's not got a lot choice because it's funding has been frozen and therefore at use has fallen in real terms and these to these difficult decisions are going to become more there anything to come or regulators as as things move folder Media challenge in this as well.

Isn't there local newspapers face similar cuts a radio station of how they operate in the local Media landscape that what you saying can't get it get it right by the way.

It's like when can Bruce left to go to shower and they said oh, you're this is your last show and and that felt really brutal after he.

What's the 37 years and it was all and he wasn't even had a given like proper sort of time to wrap everything up so that I think is an example of May by the opposite happened and maybe a bit too hasty as the local papers.

It is interesting reach for the two biggest news kind of publisher publisher and she's revenues Dan 6% newsquest in an interview today on the press Gazette was at the CEO of saying that their revenues for last year up 3% this year it down 3% and actually that is stable if that's a big win for them.

It is really challenging and especially when Google Facebook their attitude towards news deprecating news and it doesn't add to bed platform.

It's only 3% of people's time on the platform and an asteroid that my colleague Jack covered this.

A Columbia research study found that Google and meta would 0pa dishes 12 billion dollars and that's just in the US than the fair value of they bring their platforms and things like that which Google meta, obviously refuted very strong Adam mosseri the bottom Instagram threads were saying I'm not that bothered about news being on Fred that's a big shift.

What they done previously just got enough time for the media quiz this week.

It's entitled to do you immediate start from the week and you tell me if it's a good news story or a bad news story for the brand in question best of 3 and an excellent on for advantage to Ella who who has the latest in the studio.

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Take that I did a my mouth.

Let's play Disney plus is Bob rating of 27.3 million good or bad news.

I mean I should know the answer to this because I wrote the store is good news because it was the best.

It was a best ever week.

Well that the best week of the year certainly and the best week as far as far as go back which is the best things started reporting audience research and audience reach figures for streaming services a year ago.

So it's good news for Disney expect number to go up or down over next year.

I think we probably at peak Disney maybe I get a bump over Christmas because I always do.

When people at home watching streaming services and on their new devices, but yeah exactly I think so that I don't think there's a coincidence are right.

I think the clearly documentary really resonated with the UK viewers and therefore they had an increasing in audience as a result of that and it's the Netflix they have the David Beckham documentary low and behold UK viewers, Flockton Netflix I was going to watch I watch all the Star Wars in order with a friend but with a David Beckham in there and the Coleen Rooney content on Netflix and Disney plus is that the appeal for David Beckham she's not just the football fans is not just the gossip kind of France for the wagatha Christie it's so much.

It's wider than that and so most of people that seem to like the David

Series of particular so much are not football fans in any way shape or form and which just fascinates me to work harder to retain her or best strikers to good news or bad news UK TV exports of 1.85 billion Ella so did you say bad news, but I think next year to press it would be next year probably not so good.

Yes, you're right.

It's the highest level is up 22% on the previous year that the US was the biggest market for exports, but it was only up 3% year-on-year so there was nowhere else to go to Germany and Spain Poland Italy or had more than 20% growth year on year but

Export figures they only have them go back to 2017 and so it did obviously have a massive dip in the pandemic as you would expect but I think Asia was a bit area for growth and there are a few other kind of their trying to figure out.

What genre is particularly do out at the moment.

It's like scripted drama.

Lucy got too kind of mega companies in ITV Studios and BBC Studios that can drive lot of this as well now three a drop to listens of 10% in Q4 the baddies.

Well it depends 17 updates which impacts podcast listening and so this would affect the specifically referring to a costs.

Anaconda to reassure people like listens will go down in the short-term and the long-term this is good for the industry or me more accurate representation of consumer behaviour this is better advertisers is good for measurement and I like that that's positive spend but I think actually talking to other people in the market.

They were it was they were quite positive about how it what it means measurement and actually accurately knowing what what people have unsubscribed you if you don't listen and sort of the change automatically yes, yes, I think the timings of it a quite interested in a pod Newsround article saying maybe not he wasn't entirely correct with what he was saying but it was pretty pretty close and work.

I get a pub news.net that find out the details there about those download numbers at the sexes still early days with reports on this kind of stuff.

How to say something completely added I mean we know how massive podcasts are I guess it's good that translates into revenue then.

That's surely a good thing looking at head know absolutely better figures give more confidence and then more money.

Hope you're coming to the market see if you can do that again, and I'll tell you when you come back.

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