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Hello welcome to media podcast I'm at digging on the agenda this week the editor of The Daily Mail quits amid swimming caps at reach is the paper in serious trouble the program drama.

How did become the cavalry to Mr Bates in wrong subpostmasters, everywhere and John Oliver to come in this edition of the media podcast in the news this week the new c&m boss Mark Thompson start to recall the Swag and innovation of its formative years at the email to stop on Wednesday sets the tone for his vision for the alien use Giants morning that the audience with cable television Has Fallen by a fit in the two years and at the website needs drastic modernisation tribute to Annie Nightingale UK radios first main female DJ who died this week at the age of 83.

The longest running presenter on Radio 1 having started in 1970 and presented to show as recently as December 2023 incredible and finally the Metro made headlines on Thursday out of One Piece when it reported that the Met Office warnings the UK will be double fisted by deadly snow and ice data were compared to clarify that it isn't a term.

We use to describe the weather in the warmth and decadence of the London podcast Studios we welcome back broadcast editor Chris Curtis I have this week you posted and I quotes in the age of Limitless choice and streaming.

I spent the last night happily flicking between 90 minutes.

Love Island All Stars and a rather good 2018 repeat of 24hrs in police custody all was washing away 40 hours so I can go on more traitors.

Is that TV today? No, it isn't and my tongue slightly it might change when I treated that so what happens if the years kicked off.

Massive hits on terrestrial old fashioned TV show gladiators did 6 million which is unheard of thing in Highlands said in old money.

That's 15 million pro-rating proper appointment to view rating so well done to The Hungry Bear MGM the BBC Four that's a big here Mr Bates huge hit for ITV and talking about that's really really cut through and the traitors obviously a big smash sure that Lucy wants well, so these people are starting to sell it.

It's a Renaissance singing A linear TV is back.

The truth is no not really if you have brilliant shows that people will watch it and you know what the PSPs can do what traditional British broadcasters can do is have the perfect combination of a kind of linear window and iPlayer ITV excetra on the platform is in the background to boost those numbers that have Mr Bates which is the biggest chair of all of them.

You know I said it's viewers watched linear and 2/3.

Online but in a sea of endless content my tweet was like I said slightly but in the end.

It's helpful to have someone navigate all the to contact this out there for you and that that is definitely has huge value in both Mr Bates so straight off the Christmas before you've really got into the rest of the year to cross a week straight after Christmas and then traitors quite clever first week is all available on iPlayer then it's Wednesday Thursday Friday I'm proper people waiting for Wednesday yes, and if you can do that if you can get a sense of everyone watching at the same time which is an advantage that actually you know even the likes of Netflix struggle to some of that you can have something incredibly powerful, but stripped programming is nothing you I'm a celebrity's be on there for over a decade and it's always.

Love Island District over the summer it's a little bit at the moment, but that's been a show that ITV managed to to bring us back to time and time again, so it's a mix of good old-fashioned high-quality content good old-fashioned clever linear scheduling and then adding to the mix clever release patterns for line and amplifying all those things together from the press Gazette x beef with a I yeah, it's been a great one to get stuck into for the start of the Year the New York Times basically saying loads millions of their articles has been taken without permission by open AI Microsoft people at people keep them open her Microsoft part of it as well, because there is such a partnership with opening hour about the development of charity BT and using it in being etc.

This week's open aiico sammelman is basically said we're not that bothered.

We don't need New York Times one individual content provider isn't that important to us, but obviously it's really more of a precedent setting thing and whether they I can argue.

It's fair use because it's a transformative use of these news publishers content was there obviously saying if everyone just get something.

I need from chat to BT then we're not getting Wiggleys out from subscriptions only advertising revenue because people aren't coming don't need to come to the site affiliate revenue when they just dropping out wire cutter reviews also affects Trust because they can be hallucinations for example saying that why Qatar is recommended products that hasn't said a whole potential impacts and it'll be a major casebook.org, Lynch's said told us Congress that during the time and you X case.

Because obviously it will be awhile unless they settle many many media companies good liquidate because that's how serious threat it poses and also will see that you say to other publishers.

Will I lose all of the content providers if the New York Times the BBC have also said they're not so keen on this one doesn't matter a lot of them changing times from New York Times to what they would have tattoos the times of London Alex barber.

Been working on this week.

What's keeping you busy? So what would I say? What's been interesting is amol.

Rajan a bit of a debate around diversity on television this week.

I would say so I mirage and came out and said you know that he reveres the the white pale male stale presenters.

This is kind of the context being him taking over from Paxman obviously on University Challenge what's interesting about.

This is there's been a few schools of thought obviously I must come in.

Taking over this position Clive myrie, also said that it's important that the BBC reflects and diversity in all of its shapes and forms as he came in to take to to master so we had saying let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here in TVs drive to become more diverse we shouldn't get rid of all the things that those older statesman like do bring to the table the same time you got Clive myrie.

Saying you know it's important that those things are reflected and also interesting is Sandi Toksvig QI host she was also out there this week talking about the fact that deserts of female chat show hosts this weekend on Saturday night in which all of the hosts of some of the BBC and ITV shows remember what I mean.

Fundamentally there's been a huge push towards insure.

That the broadcasters are increasingly diverse on screen and I think they've made great gains in that.

I think the BBC something like 28% of its on-screen appearance is after a non-white individuals has been some significant gains made there a warning about that going too far but the same time we've got other saying come on that still work to be done here and it's not job done when it comes to making sure that all types of fairly represented on screen.

Thanks for everybody wouldn't she very much she'd been editing a mirror for almost 6 years and she been at reach or formerly a long long time since the late 90s.

I think it was your there have been some reports that in the recent redundancy round she was trying to encourage some of her staff not to take voluntary redundancy.

Could you really cared about the team and wanting to keep?

So it's a bit of a shock for a lot of people I think but she hasn't taken voluntary redundancy has settled which some have reported it as being like that, but I think it's obviously it's still right to put it in Context of a lot of changes at the publisher over the past year there are other senior people at the mirror and other national and regional that have left the results.

So yeah, it is a big time.

Do you think she's off not happy with what's been going on? It's just hard to do the job.

It's not my call, but what I was saying you could try to lead an organisation that organisation is being reshaped pretty brutally then you need to make a decision about whether that's something you want to be part of your not an and also let's speak let's be clear if Charlotte's understanding if you haven't taken voluntary redundancy and she's leaving we know what that means it means that they are you know they've asked to move on.

What happens incredibly well respected figure in there not loads of Fleet Street Ltd who are very popular with the laugh? I will necessarily sort of say and she's part of it, but look that overall you've got an organisation.

Just going through huge huge change the drive to digital you know is is a key Factor in that but there's levels and redundancy remarkable Caroline Waterstones he's been around reach required on time and was going to be in her in tray for the 2024.

What would be an interesting and I think that people look at the online side of the business which is something that she's been responsible for and reaches particularly not particularly well regarded him and there is some concerns that the same actually happened on the newspaper side on the ultimately you know we might see quality eroded mine done is a lot staff looked up to the editor looked up to Alison because you know she was a woman.

She spent a lot of time further in women.

She mentored to time-out she's very approachable.

She was definitely will like them.

You know any change brings with it uncertainty and you know I think Staff piled on top of the job cuts that we heard about last year was definitely nervousness as we looking to 20444 Mirror Group that was being new Good News really in I mean reaches is a hybrid National local public services are the Irish have had a lot of trouble a lot of redundancies.

There's not a lot of good news coming out of Fleet street.

Is there financial stories about the last couple of weeks DC Thomson which is a big Scottish publisher in revenue down a bit but the area of optimism is digital subscriptions exactly the same.

I love media play the small original publisher, but they're expanding what they're doing online and we should be quite slow on a digital subscription side haven't they last year they began some more experiments with?

Paid for Premium newsletters and ad free apps for some of the big regional slight Manchester Evening News and Liverpool Echo even bit of ad free on the Daily Press where is a lot of Unity as we're saying talk about about subscriptions another engagement metrics reed.com and emphasise in a note to staff this week my page views are still so important and basically saying having the scale still give them the best opportunity to pursue those are the opportunities as well somewhere over the content reach website and I look up.

They look Local is undoubtedly a challenge market and you know it can point to the to the BBC for example and say that you know it makes operating in this space so difficult but I'm not sure that's

Are the local rivals have suffered the same amount of problems as they have and So staff the same all these other guys are managing to get it right or certainly are not suffering as much.

So what is it is going wrong here.

I do think that a lot come down to the to the user experience and the ambition to try and squeeze every last drop out of that realise click already ITV drama series in years and change the fortune of hundreds of subpostmasters.

Hopefully with Mr Bates vs.

The post office this has been a big here as we mentioned already for ITV yeah, and look it's a lot of people already made this point kind of reaffirms you believe a little bit in colour the British telling the challenges your the Netflix of this world are unlikely to create a series in individual market with a story like this.

Yes, so there's a few things one is factual based dramas has been a MainStay of British telephone for many many years and they're a lot.

Examples, where is very relevant for what we talking about essentially? What did they do they built off amazing journalism years and years of amazing journalism lots of research and what the drama was able to do was make the average person isn't that? You don't have to remember the British Public feel the relatability of this story is play that if I'm honest you look at it and fantastic reporting on it that hasn't quite cut through in the same in the same way and another interesting thing is ITV4 show launches all week this will hit on now.

It's very difficult to judge 13 years before I saw a little bit before Christmas and I've changed with your ITV staff and they knew with partner a bit amazing ensemble cast heartland subject matter for them that sort of relatability that feeling when you watch it of that could happen to me.

I'm going about my life and doing nothing wrong at all.

Forces beyond your control sort of takeover is very powerful Mix and so I think brilliant script brymbo research fantastic story heartland January a good time to launch a drama.

It's bloody cold now and all those things come together a very powerful.

We Charlotte you listed some of the the genus of timeline around at the post office story and Nick Wallis can a friend of the show I'd say interviewed a few times in the last couple of weeks and he was saying it was the top story to get people's head around in a dent specialist investigation and the report of their he did the very first story Rebecca Thompson said that she expected at a lot more pick up because I'm a computer weekly investigation had done and it just didn't and she was quite disappointed in disillusioned but then after she left the title one of my colleagues call.

I spoke to you picked up the mantle and he lets you did hundreds of stories over the next decade or or 15 years and so he kept it going in a heard from different postmasters and during that time other people gradually did as well so naked you say various BBC outlets and the Private Eye Richard Brooks done.

It does really nice from Alan Bates in private eye this week kind of thanking them and saying that they should be saying I told you so so, it's really nice and yeah.

It's just amazing thing in kind of making people realise it's value of specialist titles, but as I said that doesn't mean that journalists you know screwed the Pooch or whatever it just means that drama connected with people in a different way, but they wouldn't the drama would be nice do that without the Jenners and that came first in writing about cuts in drama commissioning.

Do you think it's like this makes all the channels? Thank you again little bit about where the money is going.

Well, it certainly hope so I mean yeah as Chris pointed out and it's not just drama.

You know the PSB broadcasters squeezed across the board at the moment and you know so, what do they do? They look further up their funding they looked international Partners and one issue with a domestic story as you said is that international Partners and not necessarily thinking well, you know this is a story about subpostmasters in and glitch.

It's not the sexiest on the page.

So you know I think the appetite for commissioners in the UK for such stories is here and as Chris reference that we've got a long track record ITV on the BBC have fun taking on these big factual dramas.

You know let's hope that the broadcast to see clear to perhaps fully funding I mean maybe that's a bit ambitious, but certainly putting in more money back.

I was a little bit more because no one would imagine at the post office will sell now.

You just thought that they'll be a market for that despite its English it's just a British subject matter that you know a strimmer order.

French Australian broadcaster might pick it up because it's become such a big story you know easy to say you know after the event but you know it would be great if there was more money and it would make produces lives were trying to get these important stuff the ground much easier.

It is on Netflix which is probably won't have you seen for me once and once I've watched television very sloppy, but it is a massive hit for them.

So elevated mainstream is the kind of Buzz terms and talking about what happened the streams want profitability right and actually they moving away from high-end their aspirations possibly was to be the new HBO right to have all the shows that one all the awards and now what do they want? They want all the shows that attract all the eyeballs and there's nothing wrong with that we shouldn't be snotty office near me about it all.

And this is a really good example of elevated mainstream where it looks like and ITV drama with more cash.

Yes, basically and kitchen island Amazon lovely houses amazing cars, but you know when it's got it's a big name offer so they're booked and actually they made several of these they always do really well Richard I'm sister Michelle Keegan fantastic producer.

So what does it tell you it tells you again relative traditional British drama very well made can cut through in them in a massive way, but I would argue that it for this month for me wanting a doing really well.

I'm not talking about it in quite the same way as they're talking about Mr Bates all the traitors and that partly because you know world in which the traditional British broadcasters.

Men's pressure from all sides they still have a window they still have the ability to connect with people in a way that even the mighty Netflix fight hard to replicate the coats lovely selection of coats in the middle fever-tree PSB it had another change at the top chair rhodri Williams it's not going to stand again when it's term ends at the end of March despite telling MPs he would stay on just last week.

He just seems a mess.

What is going on there are legal cases pending right.

There's two left your patient and I disputing the way which they've left your PlayStation so it is incredibly complex but that decision now in terms of the chair not stay on for a second term it's

Speaks to a recognition that there needs almost be a clean break now, what that means for the legal cases who knows how those will will pan out at the moment it can be filled from a distance is there S4C a fresh start in terms of the organization's operations is required and allow the due process to take place on the other challenges and see what comes out of those the government always have sex with BBC and what BBC's doing and we sort of Fraser dcms Williams have during the crisis have to sweep in and try and clear it some of this message.

Well.

Well.

I think for as long as possible dcms attempted to hold onto S4C and say that it's not a matter for them.

It's a matter of is there an organisation we're not responsible for operational matters and you know but

You know it's slightly goes under the radar.

It's a Welsh language station.

You know it.

It's still take 90 million licence fee funding but it's not the BBC is not taking put 5 billion lb of licence fee funding so you know I think they're just hoping to steer clear of it.

It doesn't have the same profile.

There has been some coverage in the Press of the events, which one could argue the next ITV on Netflix drama themselves you know it's I think Chris is completely right.

You know it hasn't gone well.

No one's covering themselves in in particular glory.

You know it's unfortunate situation for a lot of individuals involved then you know the best thing that's not forget.

There's that produces out there by relying on S4C for funding and this instability doesn't make their lives easier and I think lots of people will be hoping you know within.

Outside the organisation will be hoping for a return to some form of stability as quickly as possible.

Thanks and will be back with more meeting use after this hello.

It's Matt d'ancona here and it's Mark here from the two Mikes podcast and this week.

We have been talking about the Mirror editor resigning and so about The Spectator and telegraphs and you think this is important to the story.

We do we got some interesting thoughts which will add to the discussion you've been having on the media podcast so do drop in my return to Fleet Street Friday this week.

I look into how local journalists many films have been made redundant as the sector clients while building their own platforms and Rob Smith was a journalist at the Burton Mail for many years has been looking into this is Rob obviously it is a time for anybody in local and national team across whatever newspaper group Media Group is the cross 2023 and 2024.

I've been looking at the last couple of months and thinking well actually I think there are real Green shoots of positivity, but the future.

I'm not say that you know the local and national Media landscape is not going to result in more job, but I think there are things that stand out with the with the advent of my podcasts YouTube and especially things like newsletters advice that really show that I don't think no especially is dead and I think there is a root wearing 51015.

We have quite a local news probably better than it's ever been in the last one is talking about some of them should we start maybe in the Midlands in Birmingham so you don't know recently the group called successful in several the place in the country of Monster Birmingham Birmingham dispatch and one of the things that Dave identified like they have done it.

Is a real need for strong local jewellers in so that's not to say that it's it's about councils or it's about specific things.

It's about getting to the heart of what their community in this case Birmingham talk about it and a really great operation only a couple months old and he was dropped into inbox every couple of weeks a week and within that expand on you know whether it's in Birmingham the prices with the local council meeting people in local Communities and I think things like this just showcase that there is a want to need that congenital and beat that it can be done in a sustainable way that people easily pick up whether you're 14:40 and and give me real.

Hope for the Future II stories won't be lost.

I mean the only one that disperse is joshi herrmann.

Who's kind of leaving that one? I was involved in carnal Media in the first Manchester thing.

There is something about brand, isn't there and I think sometimes.

Local radio you have a heritage which is in some ways good, but also it's convenient of a millstone around your neck can't have like it's what your mum and dad used to read rather than what's relevant to your life especially with the advent of you know you don't want to be like an old man pointing at clouds kind of what you've grown up.

I think hopefully these type of local news brands that are emerging to have a bit of it the same time BBC Radio Derby and Birmingham Mail house in the past.

I also the lead which they seem to be quite bullish and launching a lot of me.

Yeah, but obviously the news is coming recently that there in 10.

I want again so that that need for what people want that it is there and it's not just long-read.

It's not just that people think it's never been covered before it's really getting too hot to community store and picking up with Pat potentially they have been left the gap by current local newspaper resources have been so they have to be very different in the way that they look at news list these organisations such as the lead of America really take a step back and I really get an insight into what they want to hear about that who produced good strong quality journalism is quite big difference in there with what traditional local news is doing which is sort of volumio quite a lot of that my page views on this page.

Does need to sort of cover everything can be volume trip and worth a lot of these are you know once a week twice a week newsletter driven where they turn around up something in a one hit rather than trying to get people to open a gallery of 20 pages for example in the it's something where people could potentially save it in my inbox.

Take it away weekend.

Take to digest it actually understand and then if they want the cricket.

They can use local radio locally to get what you know the council tax going up.

I really need to know how much in my area.

What that means to me, but the week.

I've got this dropped in my inbox where I can go what time does that affect me my next door neighbour the Man Dan Street local business the local area is a hole and I think that's why it's really important serving a different.

And hopefully have re-educating people in a way that this is what needs to be in a different format you can get back to me.

You can get soft effects of threads etc, but you can also have this and it becomes part of your Media diet and that's really important in what what's the leader doing and this is where it becomes? What where they take that time to sit relax have a pop they have a bite to eat and enjoy the experience digest news and any business that you're starting with it's a corner shop or a content business Anita invest something into it and that's money money and time and how many subscribers do you think if it's any substacks loads of subscribers to start kind of covering your cost €2 thinking you know if you'd charging a 5 months maybe as a thousand subscribers that starts to be.

Pretty good for a single operator and they've only got between you know some some of them 252 1000 followers and they're making it and nothing come to support themselves, but also there in engagement with I don't have to be so attractive 102 million people.

It's about starter.

Sorry having a bit of a brand recognition having a presence on social media having something to say in a real confidence and marketing using a few skills practise in public relations and outside.

What you said all of a sudden it doesn't have to take a lot of people to engage with your Brand and your product be making quite a nice little bit ankle which you can reinvest to potentially there nothing a podcast or YouTube show you some great time and effort you put into your training in the original years in the business to create a little niece yourself and there's no reason why that can't be replicated across the weather be on the Sport business business, there is a lot of scope to build and do a great work there.

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It's quite a big chunky.

No, it's an organisation has got 1200 people also in it.

So you know 200 is 1 and 6 also that could be potentially affected by these changes you know it's been a long time coming.

I'm not sure any is didn't come out of a clear blue sky Uno Channel 4 has been warning that it's struggling.

It's obviously it's got an ad funding model so all of it sink.

Effectively comes from advertising and over the last 1280 months the advertising market has been very challenged.

You know ITV has also had difficulties.

So you know no one is particularly surprised it has come to this with these cuts their the big push into launching offices in Leeds and other parts of the country to it's quite hard to say how were going to be everywhere when I'm going to see that the cuts are all these going to come out of London the suggestion is that the majority of the cuts will come out of London because I think that the relocation narrative and the son of idea of Channel 4 as a as a broadcaster that reflects and represents is present in cities across the UK has been integral to it over the last time that that dries been going for 5-years, so I don't think they're going to pull the rug out from under that with nothing cuts, what that does of course is it?

Total work for us if your Channel 4 employee in London is possible to be more than one and sex and when you think about what that does to a workforce is very very unsettling and Jennifer will be doing their best to work this through as promptly as possible.

I would suspect because they know that there were folk going into work at the moment who are deeply concerned about about the future particularly this comes not long after they've argued successfully that they are so it shouldn't be privatised and I think that really you know makes has raised some questions among some people as to whether that argument was ultimately correct.

You know they are time at the versify.

I've got the ability to move into production now which would give them another different revenue streams and ITV you know we look at ITV more than half of its revenues now come from it's Studios army talk about the Netflix

Mason have a post office drama also made a many others so you know let's hope that channel 4 is able to you.

No leverage that and make use of that in-house production capability without you know killing off a big section of the proportion of The Independent Productions Alex marland in cat's been quite a long time.

They have quite a good run at rain programming and being cos they successfully dealt with the with the issues surrounding privatisation.

They got these changes now.

Is there time running out of the business is the Indy community asking and maybe courage in there to be some changes look how long in years 78 years can a feels like a sort of average duration.

It's been a difficult period and it's undoubtedly true that the

Slow down, which was the sort of defining theme of 2023 for the television industry in the UK it came hot on the heels of the Indian production sector sort of going into back for Channel 4 so that the timing of that in terms of the relationship between deception Channel 4 couldn't have been worse it is worth so that the state of the ad market is beyond the control of any organisation ITV was out there last year giving a commentary on this saying this is the worst recession since 08 basically, so it is not in isolation is being buffeted by these forces and the visibility about market that make it didn't behave like people thought that it would lots of different economists and forecasters their predictions didn't didn't come to pass so huge pressure massive challenges.

Means there's change the top remains to be seen is actually a lot stasis at the top of British television for a long long time it look at creative leaders and the the big beasts are excellent high quality incredibly talented smart people but Charlotte Moore Kevin lygo as I Bennett sky they will be in in post longer than necessarily follows that the regime change but Channel 4.

It's fair to say is.

The there is so much Focus now on does he have market pick-up are they going to get back to commissioning in Earnest and how are they going to navigate the job? What's the are coming down the line the extent to which that impacts on creative decision-making team staying on Indies at the BBC have revealed the beneficiaries of the small indie fund this is 57 a pressure company to receive cash from the BBC going into smaller TV companies all around the country is not super important strong regionality packing companies up and down the UK bloody tough at the moment, but if my dad said that it's bloody it's really challenging and so when organisations like the BBC are in a position to help support smaller companies in.

Really great that it does in the end, what matters for those companies is business and it's a bit like the Debate always about schemes and initiatives and people screaming if I want a job for a small indeed you want to be on this morning.

It's absolutely do but what do you hope to get out of that as much as the money you have to build a relationship with the BBC but have Facetime but of creative report bring your best ideas try with a commission and what you want to stop being a small indie.

That's the thing.

Do you think there's room for these sorts of schemes in in news around the UK's different way to bring money to some of these broadcasters with you know heard about new start-ups things about the Manchester Mill is should there be made available in a in a similar way for me some people who used to work in each other places to start up there any news organisations Manchester Mill things dancing up.

I think even last week Blackpool got a new newsletter from the league because you don't want it linked in any lots of people wouldn't want LinkedIn anyway to government BBC obviously has done things where they funded like the local democracy reporters and matter has funded community news reporters in local but they pulled that funding is part of a big move away from these but I think the end of DJ who ran it for them are still looking for more funding.

I think that that would be great to continue because that's so important and getting kind of what could be otherwise under-reported stories that I mean.

Yeah, I think I think the UK would really benefit from being able to support these new not just newsletters a lot of them that we talked about and used that is I guess it.

Yeah.

I just I just don't know who would be there.

Person-organization to do that while speaking of money the BBC have made some money this week there going to be selling Elstree Studios where it makes a EastEnders and also Strictly Come Dancing facts about still be producing EastEnders from their Alexa how much do you know how much BBC got for this? I think it's about 70 million from a day-to-day perspective it won't make too much difference.

You know they're going to continue to operate the basis.

We said you know provide them with a little bit of cash at a time when they are desperate for money as they can get it off the books.

Maybe take away some overheads BBC looks to become a more efficient lean organisation it does make sense did it takes away some of those big heavyweight fixed costs and get some of his books and operate on a bit more of a nimble and nimble basis investment happening around outstream in Hertfordshire is turning into a UK Hollywood

The light of investment and obviously the new acquirers of Elstree have said that they're interested in expanding it to the explosion in studio space across the UK has been remarkable overall you would say it's a good thing definitely it increases the UK's capacity to host particularly would investment like international shows being made here and the skill set and skills-based we having this country he is exceptional and you can definitely for example make shows for American audiences in the UK cheaper than you can in the US and to at least as high quality of potentially better.

So all of that is fantastic.

There is the area of peak tv.

I think it's done now.

You know that the calibration of the streamers that are now chasing profitability rather than subscribers.

I don't think we're going to be spending patterns in the next 10 years and quite the same way as we've seen them.

The Investment of the Netflix investment was we are worried.

We're going to run out of studios to make this stuff precisely and I think that potentially making less telly overall in the coming years, but that doesn't mean that I'm suggested it all these years going to sort of lie dormant.

I think there's still a huge opportunity skillsets amazing you can get the right people trained up the workforce available David about starting again about tax credits and whether they can put a bit a bit more pressure on the government to make the tax credit even more attractive for international investment and that would obviously go hand-in-hand with student development and I think there's a lot to Stuart developments.

You know if it's on Brownfield sites or if it's good you know it if it's if it's stimulate local economies and different parts of the UK then obviously that's a fantastic benefit, but it does need to be measured and that sort of just race for more and more studio.

I think developers will be a little bit more cautious looking forward now thinking about appetite going forward.

We will see right just enough time for the media quiz this week entitled celeb dark 2024.

Yes, I your favourite long-running feature from the old BBC Three is back well.

At least someone's Trader website and where using extract celebrity.

I'm in effect Paddy O'Connell and I'm going to name you tell me why they stock has changed this week that you will say will say Alexa what's 131lbs this week.

Why Charlotte Charlotte she's getting a Sunday after show on LBC she's got in Wales because you fell foul of the social media guidelines LBC

To jump on the Carol Vorderman bandwagon the news on LBC that's fine.

Cos the Christmas schedule they've got a balance what they want.

They want some chocolate good for that.

You'll have different different perspectives different voices get a good hire in Ed Balls is down after what happened this week Chris Chris Ed Balls has kicked Susanna Reid in the head.

Yes, but it's a bit as it sounds a little bit they were doing a feature won't they on.gmb about transport and someone puts their feet.

arm wrestle something and basically want to

throw them out the plane ticket airline etiquette and I think inadvertently deadline which having pretty much was Ed Balls kicked in a bit like some of those race to the bottom clickbaiting storage where you think you're going to get one thing and your slightly disappointed.

Would you like a podcast send a George Osborne's stock is on the rise?

Alex Alex a partner has apparently been brought in to help advise in The Telegraph Dale the people making connections with our does that mean he's going to get another job this time at the Telegraph but I think that's a bit when you're enjoying himself.

I feel on his new podcast with apples and just in a double Act I think I think it's a massive gossip.uk the vote prediction about the date of the election Ibiza November 16th not long ago.

You know yeah, I think that it's got a student on that I got news for you and have been picked up by that so it's another person production.

What do I think? I think the balls on Osborne made for that? They are great double that they got great chemistry.

They get on really well together.

I mean it's two white pale stale men talking to each other again.

Could argue but you no like these chaps and you know that's not throw the baby out with the bathwater that could be they can certainly offer some insight and you know a bit of entertainment on the way to number 3 John Oliver is up to 0.9% Why?

When do the homework in 11 Oliver so I would give you any awards for last week tonight in his speech gradually escorted off the stage well done.

You get to work to launch new local your services.

Are you report back next week here as well.

I guess so thanks Barbara and Charlotte tobitt.

I can't keep up with your work broadcast magazine.

Get me the job.

Thanks.

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Thank you.

That's kind and Charlotte

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