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Prince Harry's dispute with the tabloids last week the prince settled is outstanding claims with a mirror titles, but only after he taking them to court where a judge ruled the prince had been the subject of extensive phone-hacking by Mirror Group newspapers earlier.

I spoke to Evan Harris former MP now illegal analyst who's part of the team working for Prince Harry and others in their claims against various most people may have heard about Prince Harry's second but readers of the mirror will not have heard about his success last week because typically one might say the mirror.

Didn't think it was news were to publish the fact that it had considered the rest of Harry's claim even though the news on almost every other outlets certainly will broadcast outlets in this case had made clear that he wasn't going to settle and you take the financial risk of not settling because he wanted to make sure that they were findings and there was accountability so that the fax came out about what was being.

Everyone in fact most of the trial was not about him and also that if findings were made of criminal conduct which there were albeit on a civil standard of proof in civil trial then they would be the opportunity for the police and the authorities to investigate which would expect in a country that respect the rule of law the reason why most people do settle though, it's because if you don't beaten financial offer you're giving and you go to trial then you've not achieved anything and you have to pay the costs of the of the other side when it comes to mirror newspapers Harry but there are other upcoming cases, could you just took this briefly? What's coming down the line before I do that because there are three litigations.

It's important to note that the extent of the findings in the mirror because it wasn't findings that have been hacked the judge said it is beyond doubt even though it was on her in a civil trial that the Editors knew about the unlawful information gathering and voicemail interception.

That's pretty much a day.

From the judgement, that's a finding of fact and this is important because people say will surely.

It's over now for the judge found that there was dishonesty by The Mirror Group in their defence even in the trial are not telling the truth now and there's been no accountability because the police haven't done the job yet, then how can the public be certain that this is ended me through upcoming cases.

We heard what else is to come allegations are being made by Prince Harry and others against news group newspapers which is part of News UK and Rupert Murdoch and against associated newspapers which publishes the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday and those are zhufor resolution if the timetables stuck to into 25 and then for associated a bit later against associated the claims are of our phone hacking other unlawful information Gathering cluding bragging that's obtaining private information by deception commission.

Believe it or not break into houses usually to plant bugs.

This is what's alleged the placing a trackers on cars and and we haven't differentiate in their public statements.

They vehemently tonight, but they haven't sorted to strike it out as groundless which is interesting they had the opportunity to do that news group newspapers have admitted some on the news desk and the features desk for a period at the news of the world, but I've never admitted any liability on the sun, but they've made a but they've made significant payments to people who are only bringing claims against the sun they say it's cheaper for them to spend whatever it cost to settle these cases than to spend 10 million pounds on a trial ordered so far spend 500 million pounds in settlements and lawyers costs avoiding this 10 million-pound trial so I suggest that actually the reason I want to avoid the trial if they don't want these Witnesses

They don't want the documents to come into the public domain and they don't want to judge to make findings and if this was any other industry the Press at least the rest of the price would be demanding that answers were given.

Speak for the prince but he is on a mission to clean up the media.

What kind of reformed does he want I'm not sure how engaged years on the detail of what the Leveson Enquiry proposed but certainly those people like me and others who have seen what damage the newspapers have done.

We want to see the Leveson recommendations implemented which means for example that should be an independent regular lotto a pet regulator control by the press regulator but if it's not independent of the newspapers and the newspaper industry, then it can't be an independent regulator self-evidently and it all to be something that can do what she called standards.

Places like Ofcom do it so it's 7/8 years existence has not done a single investigation on standards.

Therefore has created no sanctions against any newspapers and love you know find not a fine thing is to improve standards and the way it does that is standard investigation.

It says would be the last Resort they don't have them because they find it in the 8 years since I've been established the work with publishers to improve standards in that's an effective approach those of international comparative bowls like ones done by the reuters Foundation we find Britain is the lowest of all European countries on trust in the media especially the press because no one seriously believes that there has been no incident by the press whether it be the lies told about huw Edwards Wetherby Jeremy Clarkson on Meghan Markle whether it be the harassment of Caroline Flack no one believes that there is nothing that the press can be found to have got wrong in the last 8 years.

Can I just ask proprietors argue that stricter regulations in friend on their fundamental Right To Freedom of expression and that could lead to government censorship for stifle investigative journalism, what's your monster that argument to preposterous mean it would stifle freedom of expression of proprietors to do what they like and run roughshod the Independent regulation of the Ofcom Kind which has impartiality rules that wouldn't apply to newspapers that doesn't stay for the ability of sky ITV the BBC or even a highly partial broadcasters like GB news and talk TV to politicians to account people care.

Not just about free speech of course.

They care about the right to privacy and you know when you've got findings made and we don't know if it's still going on that people's medical unlawfully and bank accounts were obtained on lawfully.

I don't think that the protestations of Media mobile all their employees Council much that was Evan Harris talking.

Earlier academic journals Jane martinson, who was the former head of Media at the Guardian is here in the Studio with me? I wonder Jane hello.

What's your take on whatever Harris is saying there and I think you know what he's saying.

He's he's right to talk about this sort of you know that on the long-running Saga in 11 years since it first really want more so when it first was revealed by the Guardian the extend to phone hacking.

I think the issue of trust in the media is a huge one and it's just for Christmas when Prince Harry was awarded the 146000 also from The Mirror Group which is exactly how much sorry but this entire scandal has cost the industry hundreds of millions and I am sympathetic to the view that and I wrote about.

Need is for the industry to feel and for a cultural shift.

I think to take greater and recognition of what it needs to do to try to improve their behaviour around even this can I mean I totally accept Evans points about non coverage was that was a thing that was most marked me the day after that initial sort of my Prince Harry hence the mirror very few papers.

Even covered it properly and those that did and lead quite large on a more when the form I think we're going to talk about later is the real criticism of Prince Harry and denial believed.

You agree with his call for a sort of stronger state regulator with Evan Harris we talked about it over the many years.

I was that the Guardian is head of Media when and this and the people running brilliant exposures of this.

I I think the argument that steak backed regulation is somehow going to be a panacea.

I cannot see that is right.

I know they're not arguing for state control however, and we do need to have a greater awareness of their self-regulation needs to be seen to work that needs to be more transparency more suggestion that the media it offers an industry that should be held to account by itself in a weird journalists and you know I always stop from the basis of this scandal and many scandals were unveiled revealed by journalism.

This is not the police.

It was not the government or Ministers who revealed this it was journalist.

Who did it and but actually what they're very bad at as an inch I am generalising.

They're obviously real sort of attempts to do so is holding themselves to account where we see with the reaction when we have heard it's like this.

You know the mirror not even reporting on.

She went on the court case originally I do remember that the weapon ultimately wielded by regulator example would be finds men in the newspaper industry would argue that there are enough financial pressure.

Do we really want to see newspapers close it? What would you say to that? Well? I think I've got lots and see if that actually because I think we don't want to lose a really good investigate the way the industry has moved and the fact that the internet has provided all these new I mean to me what what's so sad and depressing about this debate is that still having this sort of you know endless legal cases, that is the rule of law exist the reason we have these cases is because journalists and media organisations broke the law it has cost newsgroup we know so far hundreds of millions of pounds to Daily Mirror Mirror Group newspapers.

Also a lot of money.

We know that associated who was denied your claim.

Is been accused of doing similar things are we won't know for a couple of years there is the law that stops this from happening, so I don't think it's a matter of new regulator.

I think we need is greater better self-regulation with recognition and control will stay with us, so you mentioned Piers Morgan you know clearly isn't for my Daily Mirror he did loom in the background of Prince Harry's case against the paper even though he wasn't asked to give evidence the last week the prince said Morgan would have known about phone hacking at the mirror something Morgan has always denied, but there is a separate Piers Morgan related story that's also been making headlines because he is leaving his nightly show on TalkTalk TV or shrugging off what he calls the straitjacket of broadcast television street business move or a warning sign for the news and opinion channel launched by Rupert Murdoch just a couple of years ago Ben Smith from semaphore broke the story and he's joining us from New York hello Ben thank you so much for coming.

I just explain what Piers Morgan has said about his plans for his show uncensored.

Thank you for having me and I'm always glad to talk about Piers Morgan looming you know you know you told me that is thrilled to be getting out of the business of showing up in a studio every night between 8 and 9 p.m.

To go to jam interviews and enter into this out of this with b.

H long 4 minutes when this is actually true.

It's been incredibly successful on YouTube with the match kind of Shaggy Luther way in a way of doing Media I'd like to kiss you are making a virtual necessity.

I think you're going to build a new television network in the year 24.

Is is a long chat and I think I obviously his departure for Talk TV is not a sign of the success of top TV and looks like they had.

Meeting with GB news which is just watch your stridently to the ride that he's moving on to talk TVs YouTube channel, so it's not yeah.

He already talked Evo together.

Yeah, don't he sees himself getting 60000 people watching it on television and hundreds of thousands watching a minute.

You know yeah, did you both is basically trying to make the put the best place on something isn't really working which is disabling your television but also that is liberating him to do something with all that most people would be television which is tried a shape is actual programming for an online audience.

I mean if you look at the best stuff.

You sound like it is incredible interview with the the Egyptian comic.

The bath then you said you know which went totally off the rails and music shows up in character making these incredibly dark jokes about his own relatives of Gaza and within really strange and Morgan just with able to lean into it and let it on spoiling.

It is really extraordinary television some of your question, though, is that the economics of linear television in the United States more than in the UK but it still work in a reason these highly paid I'm in Morgan is reportedly under a 50 million-pound is highly paid broadcast on television is it pays the bills very hard to see how even those numbers on YouTube will pay on a salary raise that 50 million-pound a deal that is reported to have signed.

Where does this leave that do you think and what does it mean as well? I think it means talk to me isn't long for this world.

That is my gas.

The uninformed gas you know what he's getting paid from like 80 different news corp and fastscore family institution sky Australia has a piece of it first vaccination their kind of Doom streaming at the us as a piece of it and they're all still picking up the tab for the Greater Glory of Piers Morgan because it's platform central heating oil change on the front with the sword appears interview from the back of the car not turning off his camera.

Can you tell me he didn't my favourite part was the he said? I don't know how to turn the camera off that line.

I mean you know he has had great success on YouTube actually people love watching and he is actually.

Entertaining interview it is it as smack slightly of conceding defeat? I think if not repairs because he's already done the deal is only a huge amount of money from around the various and global parts of the of the Rupert Murdoch Empire but Talk TV I mean, what does it say to me what I'm interested in talking about regulation? What does it say opinionated television in the UK I mean just you know I've just done a thing on Ofcom state back regulator who is slightly struggling with the direct me to Talk TV GB news which is actually getting bigger numbers and making a much bigger fuss by being really opinionated is not necessarily listening to all the rules about broadcast television won't regulate items that go onto YouTube rather than that of all this whole debate links nicely with what we're talking about earlier.

Thank you both but I wanted to have time to talk about DJ Steve Wright in the attributes that have been pouring in for the man who presented programmes for BBC Radio 1 and Radio 2 for more than four decades death age 69 was announced yesterday and I'm joined by another radio Legend the critic Gillian Reynolds to pay tribute to Gillian hello at just tell me what define Steve sounds.

Do you think think the fact that you loves load radio has gone actually.

I think it's probably running the radio station of the cloud must have grown up with his parents listening to it being born in 1957 television still wasn't very big is commercial radio in this country.

He really interesting time when radio was a world.

You could escape into when you had.

Personal relationship with the person who was presenting like in a Jackson sale Pete Murray on the used to be on Luxembourg and Dave and at the same time you know other people are listening to you, but you're in a special relationship with the gang leader and it's magic radio it consist that feeling in a I know you we never met until this minute, but I know I know until you absolutely love the idea of the radio station of the clouds but for those of us who can't hear that for all of us.

We can't hear that lets centre Steve Wright not in the clouds with a groom is 103 years old and the Bride is 107.

Fm22 shopping and now they've been my rock through lots of ups and downs we listen every Sunday from the mountain village of CD at you know in Andalucia you can I know that very I know the whole area brilliant.

I mean we had a few of those key Steve Wright ingredients there real life stories surreal humour and they sort of rather charming dedications.

He got for protecting is Sunday Love Songs slow.

I'm in his shows Gillian I've been described as having a distinctive zoo format.

What does that actually mean a term grab from America

American means in you have a gang and you will contribute to the bosses radio show the boss 10 charge, but you know if you were in my gang.

I'd have you on your new job back and then passes by would come in.

You know people are in town.

So if it's on structured interviews if it's all in your happening out of the actually.

It's all carefully arranged and in this case it would be pre-recorded because pre-recorded are so beautiful.

I know you've been reading my imagine you been reading the obituaries today.

He's clearly loved.

What do you take away from there? Was it taken seriously he was taking very serious you any rebuild my eyes you build a career on a radio one left after a big fight with the new controller Radio 1 went Radio 2 scooter done on.

And then when it came controller Radio 2 gym leaders had this idea for him and placed him in the afternoon, and it was a little place to be people always think it's the breakfast show that harnesses people.

It's not when you're dealing with an older or female audience afternoon.

This is your time and it was a marriage.

You know kind of married everyone who has left her and he put on a show it wasn't just this was that it was a real show you had his characters locked around and he felt is it your part of a special yourself Steve gang? It's a magic trick not everyone can do it loads of people try but easy sounds like you know that.

Add somewhere but he never did it was he could take you to the moon and beyond is you believed him.

Thank you so much for helping us pay tribute to Steve Wright on the meteor shower now it may have all started with a Mouse Mickey Mouse to be precise but 100 years on right now the Walt Disney company is focused on the world of gaming it spending 1.5 in dollars for steak and epic Games the company behind fortnite the car a small attack columnist CBC and Canada is here to explain why to Cara hello.

Just tell us what's been announced.

Yes, I mean it's a major Deal Disney has decided to invest in fortnite and online video game platform for over 1.1 million billion dollars.

It's it's quite I think this is the mouse as we all know it recognising that it's the way to a new generation.

It's it's the next step whatever.

Marvellous everyone loves, it is not going to pay the bills forever and I need to recognise that in order to reach you expand to new consumers that they have to go beyond just TV and movies and have any sense of what it will mean for players.

What will the experience? I think they're talking about new games but also an entertainment universe where consumers can interact with Disney Star Wars Marvel and I would go to buy something that's been treated by a fortnite creator but I think the universe is Southwell in compass.

You know concerts events are allowed people to attend virtual attraction it experience in Abbott self in Disney is already partnered with fortnite in the past mean you've been able to play some Marvel characters before but the idea that is going to be a

Time partnership, I think that's an opportunity for both because there is less licencing licencing.

He's there is the ability for them to create unique characters.

I think that into Disney streaming which again is a huge advantage you touched on this early, but I was struck by Bob I get the Disney see who seems to have been quite taken with data showing quite how much time younger Jenna Jenna alpha gen z and millennials spend on gaming I mean fortnite launched in 2017.

So it's like a throwback to the soldier and the most like the major Media that actually came into contact with another through video games and so the fact that you have young people millennials to be your that's how they approached the world it makes sense the Disney with want to spend more money in this.

I think it's also interesting that of Hollywood tends to disregard.

We talked about Barbie life.

I made a little bit over a billion dollars before that every year double that every year it is in engine.

It's an engine in a bit so so the fact that Disney series where the future is in the fact that there's the Apple VR headset which can expand its use even more it's a win-win for both and I still trying to picture it as a non fortnite player all those who played in my house all the time by my kids.

It's a virtual world.

Is it has been created that users will enter but how does it compare with something that we've all heard more about what I think they're actually quite similar in that way.

I brought it up the Apple VR headset because the idea that you'll be able to create a virtual world.

Is it that that different from men it was trying to create on the road that goes around the same obviously it's kind of crash and burn and show people probably hate me.

I'm by the idea that Disney has decided to lay a part of their on Uno reverse team is it to decide to invest in at the games fortnite shows that this is the space that people will want to play in and they're very similar in that they create virtual environment that people can live interact chat.

It's perfect quickly.

I think this is perfect for Disney's brand because fortnite is known for being cartoonist.

It's blood blisters nogor and Disney is seen as you know everyone's chair brands.

It makes sense Media is going online chasing these young audiences just you know this is another example of a story about Morgan pants is the same from Disney's prospective.

It's this idea of the metaverse and there's get there all these other digital services in places where you can extract.

Consumers in Belgium it's a bit of a hedge and that they make money 19 different ways from cruises and theme parks and things like that and this is you know one more place for a planetary in a Mickey Mouse flag, but it's not it's not it's not jumping in with both feet it's just one more part of the Empire thank you so much.

That's all we got Mickey Mouse flag Media flag is time to be raised up at shutdown or whichever way round do flags at the end of the program anyway.

Thank you.

All of you then Smith from semaphore Jane martinson, Gillian Reynolds the car small and Evan Harris earlier you can listen to other episodes of the media show on BBC sounds that is it from us for now.

Thank you so much for listening goodbye.