Read this: Schedule Shake-up, Moral Maze and Singers Saved

BBC sounds music Radio podcasts hello and welcome junior series of feedback and there is plenty going on Big changes are afoot in the world of BBC audio Radio 3 and 4 are both revamping their schedules listeners.

Give us their initial thoughts and as is often the case with schedule change the not entirely positive change that involves the national and international listenership is monumental especially if there's been no consultation with its listeners review Saturday morning moving a program is a mistake which I feel will diminish its status also navigating the Moral Maze is it possible to have a balanced debate on the case for veganism when the panel is made up of 4 m if the programme was an insight into the intelligentsia and thinking of our times.

Well, then I Began to feel a bit desperate really and

We have more on the reprieve for the BBC singers good result but BBC singers have been around since 1924 and yet.

You only just realised it's good news for the singers and their Legion fans, but is it also Rosie in the classical music garden? It's been a year of hell for these musicians more than that but first refresh the schedule to take into account changing this and habits and priorities with the aim of giving our audience more of what they want when they want it those of the words of the colour of BBC Radio 4 and 4 Extra mohit bakaya in a press release trumpeting significant change to the Radio 4 schedule starting in April details are still sketchy but the headline news is in short things are getting longer the media.

Show is being extended to an hour.

It will also be filmed and the highlights will go out on BBC

File on 4 and the food programme will not be extended to 42 minutes and desert island discs and the reunion are also been extended to 1 hour or so far.

So I'm controversial, but those two Sunday perennials are also getting a new slot at 10.

Am the one currently occupied by the Archers omnibus well.

It's fair to say how many ambridge fans are nice and happy even giving Radio 4 announcement that the on the bus will be available on Sunday from midnight on Saturday just a few of your comments.

This is Bernadette Hawks the proposed rescheduling of The Archers omnibus is likely to upset closely guarded and pressure through teams in the UK or abroad is it true is it true or not? I don't know ok.

I change the involved for National and international listenership is monumental especially if there's been no consultation.

My name is Richard from Wolverhampton 8 on a Sunday we would be in ambridge know they'll be a 10 other desert island.

That's their each week, but I'll be alone on a desert island.

This is not a change from Chichester Radio 4 announced the addition will be available on BBC sounds from midnight on Sunday morning and listen to BBC it means that everyone soon.

We just at 10 a.m.

Thoughts there from listeners and please let me know your views not just about the Archers moving but anything to do with the new schedule.

We don't know the full picture yet, but we should have all the details next week and the controller of

Former hippo will be coming on the programme next week to flashlights what the new schedule will look like and to explain his thinking in making these changes well.

That will be your chance to your comments and criticisms to the man in charge.

So please do send them to me contact details are coming up shortly or someone who knows all too well the potential pitfalls of tweaking the Radio 4 schedule is Mark dancer Mark was the station controller from 2004 to 2010 and during that time he finds himself Under Fire for amongst other things spinning the radio theme well, I'm delighted to say that Mark is joining us here on feedback Mark I'd always assumed that changes are going to be met with initial opposition from audience I suppose and then things tend to come dine.

Do you think that's a fair analysis is not always the case.

Yes broadly I mean Radio 4 has a very well-known ming vase.

But you're the custodian if your controller Radio 4 of the object which if you slip you don't only break Radio 4 but you lose the licence fee and this is very gratifying when you get up in the morning because it makes me feel more important that you really are so it's a good start and it sort of captures one element of the Radio 4 audience which is thought to be resistant to change but of course it's not the real truth.

What's the radio for gents is a large he doesn't think the same thing about everything and see in general is far more flexible and people give it credit for my night changes have happened sometime around you and I be wearing black ties.

I probably would even be on the radio but I wonder if you know you talked about it sometimes be necessary.

What are those drivers that that make a control say right now is the time for an overhaul when I'm when I say this and I don't say this with any thing other than nostalgia and services but sometimes time takes its toll I mean.

Triggered A wave of death really and that obviously means I think about the programme presented by person and I couldn't see home truths surviving without John Peel and so we had think of something else to do on a Saturday morning so sometimes.

It's just move sometimes.

It's because you won't bring the voices on to Radio 4 and inevitably requires you to ask some people to down there Mike but you don't have to do it all at once and you don't have to make celebratory Cult of change.

You just have to change I did mention when I was introducing you one of the most unpopular decisions you made that created a real storm at the time was taking away day Radio 4 theme tune just explain up onto me well Radio 4 used to begin it stay with a medley rather lovely in some ways.

All songs from around the UK and you'll be familiar with them Britannia Greensleeves so on so forth representing the whole of the United Kingdom and it was from memory 5-minutes 24 seconds long and 7-days a week.

That's what you got and I became nervous about the fact that if you got up and first thing you wanted to know is whether the world was still revolving around then you will go somewhere else and you never come back to Radio 4 and then I got some audience research which rather annoying me sustain my hypothesis because it showed that the audience between 5:30 and 5:45 for Radio 4 wasn't going at which means being stored because people waking up and I thought this must be a maths revision against the UK theme and I know that we would lose it there was Uproar

And three death rates and against you for this decision and the BBC and my phone was listed in the directory that used to have phoned directors in those days and people say I'm in town.

So there was a degree about four or and newspapers.

Got exercise about it and then it came up in Parliament and Tony Blair to be with the prime minister's question time and the double-decker bus and I was told to leave the building anyway great excitement and then things settle down but I mean I'm afraid the punchline was said I was then told afterwards that origins flatline tween 530 and 545 which I do the justification was only a convention that all registrations were shown between 5:30 and 5:45 was flat because the sample size wasn't good enough for the radio measurement system to cope with overall so really I thought I can afford it rather dislocated by this, but it was only totally I'm pretty sure the right thing to do.

Still available online and it is very lovely.

I've never denied.

It is just on my feel after God and how many decades and 7-days a week and run its course let's hope that the car has a bit of an easier way back down the former controller of radio for thank you so much for coming onto feedback and sharing your stories with us, pleasure know when Mark took over the radio for hot seat back in 2000 the Moral Maze was already a well-established feature of the schedule.

It's been on there now for almost 34 years and is still trading in live studio debate on highly contagious is issues shared by the seemingly unflappable Michael Burke it may have calmed down a little since the days of Dr David Starkey but it can still be relied upon to add light and heat to any issue, but some listeners feel it got it badly wrong with a recent programme examining the moral case for veganism.

Has it started the felt the way the carnivore participants introduce themselves was quite Juve now as if eating meat was a slightly naughty and a cheeky thing to do all the way down.

I know I am a carnivore.

I don't eat human beings but I'm a carnival why do vegans seem to get on the people skin.

I think vegan lady rightly said it was like a sixth form debate people out there in the world hunting.

I kind of feel like this is a sixth form debate where it really doesn't maybe the Debate improved as a show progressed but unfortunately I turned it off by then take from Derbyshire first three Witnesses were interesting but the panel are almost childlike all that chat about whether human enjoyment is worth animal suffering was my car but more importantly you put to one side and then later slid over the issue of climate change I want to say is that the bigger moral imperative is surely to reduce the

What's on the climate to reduce the a bit desperate really very disappointed? This is Jackie from York all of the panel.

Where meat Eaters the guess speaking for veganism were good and spoke well, but where interrupted was not interrupted and his inaccurate statement about animals dying in crop deaths than in meat production went unchallenged backed up that be more creatures dying for me to get that beds and that plate than that beef good program.

Overall did not appear to uphold the standards of balance and impartiality I expect of the BBC but we ask for anyone from the model.

To come and discuss this with me, but they said no one was available and gave us this statement instead on the Moral Maze Palace look at for the issues and consider the best arguments made around along with our carefully selected experts guess panellist do not need to have Direct experience of the issue although it can be an added bonus.

If they do while the panelists were vegans in this discussion that did not stop them engaging properly for the subject and asking the important questions of all the guests most of the panellists agreed with the logic and strength of the case and healthy debate is what the Moral Maze is all about.

So what are you think not just about the balance of that addition of the Moral Maze but about balance in general at the BBC the corporations Commitments to due impartiality underpins its mission and it's constantly under scrutiny, so I'm really keen to know your take on that and

anything to do with BBC audio you can send us an email to feedback at bbc.co.uk a voice message on 0333 444 5440 at BBC R4 feedback season 4 schedule changes this time Radio 3 the buzzwords in the press release where ambitious and distinctive and I'm going to be talking to the man behind those words controller Sam Jackson later in the series Once the new schedule his bed in to use a well-known broadcasting phrase Radio 3 the changes of Shauna significant move away from speech programming as to store what's of the verb and free thinking of moving to Radio 4 the stations music journalism program music Matters though is staying put music of course is the MainStay

And there is to be a return of 1 high-profile presented to the network Clemency burton-hill after her remarkable recovery from a debilitating illness and new presenters in the Holland and Clive myrie, the network will also play host to the former Radio 2 favourite Friday night is music night hear some of your thoughts on those changes Smith 18 BBC Radio Leicester LE4 path changes to schedule for regular listeners.

Don't come easy Radio 3 is the latest shake up and while there's lots to discover and like about the look.

I think the Saturday changes will cause most alarm 9 Saturday morning welcome to record review on Saturday morning for another 5 weeks before we moved to a new slot 2 on Saturday afternoons from the start of April and a review for many st.

Is Saturday morning in a program is a mistake which I feel 12-minute status.

I'm an Hughes from London and I'm in everyday Radio 3 listening this new schedule things very intent on positioning with station family in the middle of the road celebrity presenters in short form daytime music microlin some of the classic FM crowd but for me and from the majority of comments.

I've read in the last week.

It's alienating a lot Radio 3 core audience from Whitchurch Hampshire you said Dulux refresh for a current and very well thought through and I'm excited to hear how it's going to play out on especially looking forward to hearing extensions to some of their popular favourites like breakfast private passions and guess gillhams brilliant show on a Saturday I'm also looking forward to the return.

Friday night is music night and I think Radio 3 is the perfect home for it the Radio 3 will be joining us later in the series but in the meantime they sent us this statement we crafted the new BBC Radio 3 schedule carefully informed by extensive audio data feedback and research.

We do understand that change can be unsettling but for those programs moving in the schedule all will be available on BBC sounds for listeners at their convenience changes as much about offering more reasons for a current audience to return as they are about providing an entry point for those who previously considered Radio 3 to be for them now.

It's just over a year ago that the BBC and lights that was scrapping.

It's globally renowned coral group BBC singers the news provoked a Furious reaction from the world of classical music and

Waxing of the brilliant and renowned BBC singers in the funding cuts to the BBC orchestras get further attacks on musical.ly Finn this country yesterday to hear of the Savage cuts to the BBC performing groups including the total closure of the BBC singers, just try if they're centenary year and for me the opportunity to introduce my two Primary School children took some music will be less than by these cuts the BBC's head of orchestras and choirs came on feedback to try to explain to me how the corporation was consulting with Union in every change we bring in our business.

We can start with a Union Union represent our employees.

That's a very important part of the process and that's where I certainly the Union can challenge but after pressure from the unions and a stream of high-profile criticism two weeks later to BBC reversed that decision but even though the BBC announce that the singer.

Despair, it wasn't clear just what that entailed then just a few weeks ago.

We got a partial answer a joint statement from the BBC and the musicians' Union pleased that we have a strategy which secures the future of the BBC singers Q much rejoicing from feedback listeners.

Hi this is Sarah carruthers good result but BBC singers have been around since 1924 and yet.

You only just realising The Importance and you're relying on watches 8th edition 2006 to guide you you have squandered the past amount of intelligence that you should have acquired by now.

My name is Emma Cleobury the Widow of Stephen Cleobury was chief conductor of the BBC singers for many years.

I think this is really positive news and now is the time to look forward to the future and be grateful to BBC for listening.

It's time when?

Classical music organisations are struggling at the hands of people who paid for clean.

I'm not I'm looking forward very much indeed BBC singers celebrating their centenary in October we wanted to dig a little deeper into the BBC strategy to save the singers which involves would it cause drawing on support from the musical charity the vouchers eight Foundation exactly without partnership work and how much of that support is financial so we are Simon webbe the BBC's head of orchestras and choirs to come back onto feedback and explain but we were told he wasn't available they sent us this statement.

We are pleased to have got to this point delivering a sustainable model for the future of the BBC singers plans for the vouchers eight Foundation

Government will develop over the coming months, but it is important to clarify the singers remain BBC employees funded by The Corporation and their future is secure regardless work continues Union and I'll BBC orchestras and we are undertaking a major piece of work to modernise terms and conditions to make sure these are aligned with the BBC's principles of fairness and transparency instead of a current BBC executive.

Cheers Paul Hughes Simon Webbs immediate predecessor full was a fierce critic of that original decision to scrap the singers as a group the value has been proved time and again throughout the course of the last year and they have been on the Enormous pressure and huge anxiety and still they managed to perform fantastic l at the Proms master be supported by the public as we always said whenever x a difficult the best thing that these ensembles can do is to continue to perform at the top of the game and that's difficult particularly with the voice.

When you're feeling attacked you're feeling vulnerable physically you may be feeling at the top of your game and singing is such a vocal physical thing.

So yes, I'm very happy to see that the BBC has now recognised the value of the uniqueness of this extraordinary colour group on the eve of its centenary.

Many of our listeners will remember that after pouring of support for the singers and criticism of the BBC's decision the BBC then made something of a U-turn this time last year and they gave the singers a stay of Execution this however seems like a more permanent solution, how is it different from the last you turn this is considered permanent response based in the value that the BBC now I can see for the BBC singers and it's relationship now with the vultures eight foundation.

So I think that's what makes it different this feels much more integrated into the future of the BBC

Radio 3 and Sam Jackson's arrival very welcome arrival as the new controller as part of this new plan the BBC is partnering with the charity called vouchers 8 I've been assured.

That's not a monetary deal the singers will remain paid by the BBC but the partnership is there to introduce more commercial work? What's your thoughts on that? I think it's yet to be fleshed out which is AIDS which is a highly successful call group without without with a large following and this Foundation is largely based around education and learning work and it's ironic.

I think that the BBC which has the unique ability to amplify the work and the Education with the BBC singers is already doing and has been for many years that are now working with a smaller organisation the vouchers 8 foundation in order to help them amplify and make the most of the balance between commercial work BBC

And education work that BBC announcement said that the cost will be offset via orchestral tax relief and one of our lives.

There is more shops in this got such high accountant.

I have never heard of the orchestra tax relief can anyone shed some light well? This is an initiative that have been set up by the government some years back.

It was my understanding that the BBC didn't think that it was eligible to apply for Orchestra tax relief but they discovered that not only could they but it was a significant amount of money that has certainly offered a temporary stay of Execution and let's have a permanent dye execution for the BBC's orchestras experts in this field that I was talking to a year ago was bringing up the point of partnerships and commercial work a year ago.

Why does it take so long good question why does it takes?

This was a top-down decision that suddenly shot out from the orchestral review of 2022 and I don't think anybody saw it coming and quite this way, but it's been a year of hell for these musicians uncertainty anxiety and yet.

They have continued to perform at the top of the game and I think that speaks volumes for for the importance of having well-funded secure ensembles at the BBC really badly handled.

Did they need to make a public yes, it has been really badly handled did I need to make it public had it being discussed internally first and Solutions sword in association with the members of the orcas and with the BBC singers, then I didn't need to be made quite so public but in doing it the way that they did then obviously there was going to be a very public fight back and I having been part small part of that.

We left the BBC was no longer constrained by a contract that for bad me from speaking out and could you play My Party and fighting on behalf of those musicians who are most but you didn't have a voice so yeah, it's been a hell of a year horrible here for this position, but my god they're playing fantastically and singing wonderfully so it's a miracle that they're still going so well.

Thank you use former director of BBC choirs now.

Just before we go I wanted to give you a nudge about the feedback interview of the year we run at this time last year and it got a huge response from you are listeners.

The winner was Justin Webb interview on the Today programme with Andrew malkinson.

He spent 17 years in jail for a crime.

He didn't commit and we already have an early contender for this year's award listener.

Jenny Edwards was particularly moved by Amal Rogen's interview with the former sub postmistress.

On the Today programme back in January I would like to be put back into a position where I would be now in my life post office hadn't have done what they did I was really touched to hear Sarah Burgess Boys speaking at the such a moving interview.

It's just incredible had a scene Justice could go on for so long and involved so many people I would like that financial stability so enjoy the rest of my life.

She spoke really clearly and honestly but revealing her vulnerability to what has happened to her.

No one else should have to suffer in the way that she and so many others have done so I know it's extremely early in the year, but that is no reason not to nominate.

Anything in the last couple of months that stops you in your tracks maybe a thought-provoking and motive interview about a personal tragedy.

I must listen moment of a politician being even just one that had you crying with laughter so do let us know along with a couple of lines about why you feel it's worthy of an award the feedback team will collect them and a panel of listeners will decide the winner but for now.

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