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Michael Gove is taking over so number of stories coming later in the program, but we're going to start with the multiple allegations of sexual misconduct against Mohamed Al-Fayed he died last year and as those of you will know for many years he was the owner of Harrods the story raises questions about how the media is covered the allegations now and how it did and didn't report on allegations that were known about in the past the new BBC investigation brought a new set of allegations to light the BBC programme titled Al-Fayed predator at Harrods features testimony for more than 20 survivors.

This is some of what we had and it is as you'd expect very disturbing when I walk through the door.

Did I ever anticipate being on the receiving end of?

An attempted rape joined Harrods because I wanted to be a buyer and I ended up working for absolute monster some way just left well in the days since the programme is broadcast more women have come forward and we've also had a council how how far is said to have used to keep allegations out of the media in a minute Henry portable joiners.

He's with a tear in the media show studio use a former UK editor of Vanity Fair who investigated allegations about Al-Fayed in the 90s first of all those sitting next to Henry is Erica gornall.

Who is the director of this new BBC documentary Erica welcome to the program.

I wonder when work on this docket began.

What was the start of the process? Well? This has been a combination of months and months of work and investigation and actually I think over a year ago a man.

Stone and he's a journalist himself.

He is a wife.

He discovered was actually a survivor and as I have one of the worst abuses that the fire is committed against them these women and he did some investigation and found many many more women am I came on board the end of last year and I've had loads of experience in this kind of area.

I need to be lots of women of sexual abuse and domestic abuse in the past, but when I saw the amount over a significant period of time talking decades and the seriousness of the allegations against fire but I never seen before my daughter's drops.

I just knew that film like this had to be made and I did wonder at the time.

Why it hasn't been made for and how do you approach those conversations with women who have had these experience.

You raise the possibility of a recording a conversation that will be broadcast.

It's a long process.

You know I've just thinking back at the beginning of the Year end up having these patients first on the phone and then my producer and I it's Cornish pasty Cornish trestrail.

We don't go and meet the swimming face-to-face and you can imagine the atmosphere that first meeting lots of trepidation.

I mean I have to say some of the conversations with one side not come across and a quite specific to Fired and you might go instead a bit later in the show but I heard you were petrified of even meeting us.

I had women who insisted on meeting me here at the BBC to make sure that I wasn't someone working for fired and that this wasn't I'm not the first time that a trap has been hatched in that way against the women let alone journalist and then even when that was satisfied amount of women who?

Discovered and then we films that that would be discovered and there was a real fear and it wasn't unfounded because you seen the documentary some of these women have been followed they have second in the past.

So it's a slow process, but even slower because of the amount of women that I wanted to have a nice documentary and that element of fear that I'd never come across before and given the trepidation that they were expressing to you.

There's evidently a duty of care as you can see whether to broadcast their stories, but presumably there's also a duty of care that goes beyond the broadcast to the I mean, this is I was saying I'm precedented number of survivors that have gone on to a documentary that I've ever seen and with it comes massive amount of duty of care about women making an assessment whether it's the right moment for them to come forward and talk and that's an ongoing conversation that we have very regularly with each of those women.

We had this system in place, but I have to say I hope happens with all television programmes with all independent companies that make these films because it is a privilege to make these kind of films and work with these kind of sensitive matters and that is to make sure that throughout the process and the filming over the months.

There is supporting place.

So not there me the director and casting the producer on top of that we had a therapist as well who was engaged in order to talk to those women after they filmed testimony and also as you'd expect throughout that period before transmission and after and that was on going and I thought that was a good example of duty of care and television always happen when it's been and evolution.

I'm into my career.

I have definitely unfortunately done quite a lot of stories with women mainly women not entirely who've experienced sexual assault and sexual.

And one of the things is that your programs? I went into it well actually I have a tiny tiny rolling it as a very large face very pregnant.

Will you tell me reporter standing outside Harrods when the allegations were made 15-year Old Channel 4 news that I went into it assuming that a lot of the people would be anonymous and what is amazing about your documentary is that so many of them all of them have waive the right to anonymity and did you think when you started? Did you think that they were going to how did they come to that decision? I mean it was a really long process and you're right having so many people.

I'm speaking record face the camera showing their faces.

I'm on this kind of subject.

It is unprecedented and it was a long journey.

I mean when I started.

I'd say the majority of people did expect to be films let alone show their face and over multiple conversations as the film grew and grew more people attended decide to to show their face and that.

What I would say on that as well, though, is that I kind of like to pull away from the idea of showing her face as something to the hold-up is a kind of practise because I think we've nearly gone a stage further than that where we accept that women are all different and have a different lives different family different situation.

I think what I like to my film as because we kind of went on with the process is that yes a lot of people were face to camera but also a lot of people don't feel able to and we still feature those people in their own way with you know we had a lady called Alice who changed her voice and we didn't see her and I think it was still powerful and actually today.

It's the journey continued because I'm BBC Breakfast Alice is now Jen she said that she thinks because it this morning.

Have you been watching several of the women including one who would never spoken publicly before Saturday gether and did speak.

Alice is Jen even just a few days on people you know people is it in Boldon to come out? I mean it has been pretty overwhelming and quite emotional because I've seen some of those women going from meeting me here and not being sure of who we were and whether it was a good idea to do this film and to see all those women together at the press conference which was the first time they had come together after transmission and that energy in the room and then to have messages like coming through and Jen telling me that I've told the people I need to tell now and now I'm ready to to to lift my anonymity.

So yeah, I mean I think it's brilliant and I hope that those those stories would encourage other women and this story and others if they have been victims of something like this and obviously in this case fired.

It's ok to not have to tell your story fully face out.

It's ok.

Later you do or don't turn around all day because I think now we've got to the stage.

Have you got from the me to when people came out on camera and I think we've got the post me to hear you can tell your story as you want to tell it to and that's ok, and it's actually just as powerful and my decision in this film when I was stone all those allegations beginning with because it's unusual to get that number of women I made a decision as a director you have to can't go to Waze do I tell the stories in more detail or do I tell lots of stories and cor 13:14 lots of stories and I thought actually that's all I wanted to do get the corporation get the power of the numbers in a way that you don't get that reaction of old was it just two or three people and that's kind of come across in the film where you're going to stay with us.

Let's now listen to a conversation.

I had earlier with Chris blackhurst.

Who's a former editor of The Independent former deputy editor of The Daily Express and Star

Add many dealings and Mohamed Al-Fayed in the course of his time as a journalist he describe to me what Al-Fayed was like a mixture of charming funny funny but also there was a bullying side to him a forceful side if you cross them I did on several occasions.

That's response would be for which is how I feel for the people called that then what's been revealed now because I remember one occasion wear something you didn't like that.

Michael Cole was saying is p r a long letter attacking me and that was the Fired style.

It was it was brutal so we had a brutal Style but he also am I right word offer gifts to journalists as well either way.

I certainly never got the card.

Beetle with dolphins Paris shopping cards for people that you got a better seat at Fulham Football Club though I paid for my seat in the ground.

You know I paid but my seat was actually in the directors box while away from Mohammed nowhere near him and I was deputy editor of The Express at the time.

I left the Express when Richard Desmond bought it in other words like it sounds no longer.

You know don't have a title on and newspaper.

I lost the seat went to immediately so it was no doubt in my mind what he thought he was doing.

I don't think even last season.

I was there might be some people listening who think he knew what he was trying to get this.

You must have known what he was trying to get out of this.

Why would you as a journalist? Who is trying to cover him independently and impartial you put yourself in that situation.

I wanted to get close to him.

It was way of getting.

Close to him and his world the funny thing is above one occasion in his room at half time match and never spoke to in the whole time.

I mean you know Casey he never said I saw Max Clifford and countess Raine Spencer they were there other people that but they were directions to speak to him any match apart from that one occasion.

I was sent a note saying you like to see me I went to there and I remember that was how do I put this polite and address for waitresses there are handing out cannabis and snacks in this room which is a sort of wood panelled room under the Fulham that was his room was very different everywhere else and I couldn't work out what it was sold for did that raise alarm bells because you and many other journalist would have been aware of.

Emmerdale fire that have been circulating not always sorry that's wrong.

I mean we became aware of the years the rumours whenever you try to find out anything it was shut down.

I mean by always have this Entourage with him some of whom have been named that there were others it was John McNamara head of security chief of staff for everyone's is the he was formidable.

I mean he was very first in meetings the Chris let me interrupt you.

I want to understand why you think the media didn't go more strongly towards these applications because it interacts powerful people with powerful Entourage all of the time and it often doesn't take a backward step board doesn't go I decided not to run stories.

Why do you think in this case the media didn't do more we couldn't find out everything because as we know the stand the women were effectively silence number to he was first digits.

I mean that you know if your

Newspaper my level know who are the ones who are more litigious another and you know if you cross cross.

You're probably going to end up.

I'm not saying being caught England want to go to court ever probably reasons I suspect we now know but you were threatening lawyers letter the other one.

I will give you which is quite important and happens.

It happens all sorts of companies Harris is a major Advertiser that's not my department time editorial.

You know when the commercial director points Out YouTube how much is this company spend that much but that's the reality of another reason would have been the the gifts or favours that.

Find was directing towards certain journalist.

Do you think the fact that appreciate you were still paying for your ticket, but you were in the box provided by Mohamed Al-Fayed would have altered your tauriel calculations about him.

We were never came up that was Chris marker speaking to me earlier.

I should say that Michael Cole the former public relations advisor to Mohamed Al-Fayed hasn't commented though his wife has told her journalist set about it and shocked and appalled asked her husband have been aware of any of the rape or sexual assault allegations during his time working for Al-Fayed she added of course not now legal representative for the accusers who featured in the documentary said not only was Al Fayed and monster, but he was a monster Aided by an institution and I want to explore further how he will lead his influence.

Reported here format UK editor of Vanity Fair will come in a moment to your Direct role in all of this but first what was your take on what Chris blackhurst said I didn't like much of it and take fibres from people like fried perfectly well known what fire was doing 19980 very long peas post settlement of arcades in the Guardian making quite clear what money was name in one of the people who have been abused by him and what the people from our case, let's go back further 29th back into the back in 1995 because of Janet Shaw journalist in all their profile in Vanity Fair what was in her original article because I think it was making allegations of sexual assault, but that he was a serial abuser, but it had started out as a positive.

Brighton and Maureen and he was trouble unibrow riding and peas and and revealing that the Bride them.

He was just a nightmare for people and they thought it was funny and then she she's reported came to Britain without here for weeks 5 weeks.

I should think and really now the story I got his habitual races of them the ritual use of CCTV to swap women on the floor to prior to his staff's business at phone calls.

He been bugging people having McNamara fit phone tapping equipment outside Harrods

Call 95 to 30 years ago 30 years ago and you don't work.

Did you with a lawyer for the two years and 19 months actually with David Hooper from the door and I said before we were hardly the practised investigators the key point is that we found 7 women who gave us affidavits.

It's really important point for the the media because it's a matter of effort and and you don't we just found them.

They came didn't come to us.

We found the bag just connecting a talking to people we knew who expensive fire was it's a tough 19 months but the evidence was there and evidence of sexual assault or rape not rape right at that point and were you under pressure to complete the resources if there was spending you sending 18 months on this.

At what point did you feel? Do you feel under pressure to drop their to turn me know settle without fired, what happened? I'm sure you didn't I wrote a full page moju 95 saying do not settle with this man is a crook and I'm quite pleased with the most.

I think I can read it and I said don't sell we should do a second story then cause dirty was killed at the end of August and all better off and we settle but you know the information in our in our case and we absolutely now them on the racism and use of CCTV course a general general intimidation that you levelled in practically every area of life at where he needed to win.

You know we've mentioned McNamara DP threatening comment and I can't forget the former police officer.

Waiting for them and they also very good relations with new Scotland Yard with them at which we were really aware of and logged and you know some point in 997.

We had to write to the judge to say look are in two witnesses are being interfere with you.

Can't believe the fresher my house was swept every 3 or 4 months from the Bugsy ok.

Didn't know by children thought that was a wonderful surprise them this was such a long time ago as I said I will let you know when the first allegations were amazing for 15-year old that was a long time ago.

It's taken all this time.

I know there's been a documentary before that by Channel 4.

Are you surprised he has taken this for the scale of his crimes to imagine.

He's a lot of it about the fact that he died so people can now say that of course he died and the other stuff but yeah, I am surprised.

I didn't I mean I had what evidence I had the time of Settlement to my sorry.

I kept can give to anyone I gave them to America and I think to Channel 4 as far as I remember so you know it was a pretty good outline of a case of you.

You know there was no possibility that you could think this man was innocent.

He was a very very bad individual with my usual path want to make one final point this is money talking.

He had a lot of money.

We had lots of money.

So I knew has once fire to try to set me and David Hooper out with a criminal charge didn't manage but once you try that cider said Sonia has had just said go for it to get the sky and the next number 9 much we spent a fortune on it the same to you Henry and also listening to Christmas beforehand was Eric cogorno who is the director of the new BBC documentary about these allergy.

Against Mohamed Al-Fayed I wonder what you make it what you've been hearing.

Yeah, I mean it's the whole thing was quite overwhelming.

I think you know we come together at a time and a unit time is women are able to to speak it wasn't precedented Henry did help with very key moments of evidence back in the 90s and we were able to then track the times when women did actually tried to come forward for the big story and with a dispatches and I guess you know now as a really unique moment in history that they have been able to read The Legacy of this man, and I just hope I'm not sat here in a few years time and making a similar film about another man.

Do you think that was one of the primary motor? What what do where does that fit into the motivation of the women who have spoken out of the desire to see his reputation shifted absolutely right central.

I think I mean imagine all.

And he's been been sorted and and they say they've been raped and they're not only has he never stepped in the court room for that he's died and not had to answer for that and then the Sun came out and made him look like a kind of fun Gary rebel of society and that was mentioned nearly every single time.

I first met that is women they were so angry but not only did he not have to answer any questions that was going to be the last word and I'd like to say that those women now have turned round and they have had the power to have the last word.

Thank you very much indeed for Johnny is Erica's film is called Al-Fayed predator at Harrods it's on the BBC iPlayer thanks to the Henry Porter former UK editor of Vanity Fair and also the Chris blackhurst former editor of The Independent now can have I got news for you make it in the US with the presidential election looming British comedy stable has gone stateside.

CNN commissioned at 10 episode run from the shows makers hat-trick and Jimmy mulville one of the founders of hat-trick is with us, but first here is a clip from the first episode darling the Taliban leaders name is the head of the taleban.

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I said you can have to figure that out Abdul straight up freestyle to the president of Mexico Jose friends on Minecraft on my comedy Gold Never Let Her Go

This time how did it come about I suppose the bonus potentially was Mark Thompson who used to work here at the BBC Who CNN chief executive and I think it's the person who originally oversaw the department commissioned Have I Got News For You Back in 1990 actually wasn't Cameron but he then quickly became the head of features and then head of BBC Two BBC One television and ultimately emperor of the BBC and the director-general I've been working with a brilliant I can produce the gym and he said don't take another saying contact him and just so you know the shower.

I don't have to let me have I got news for you sometimes to the occasional an American accepted.

I've tried to explain it to you when you say if the quiz where the points don't matter and no one's any money, they cannot close, Hove

So I said tomorrow, I don't have to explain to you haven't haven't gotten used to being on during the craziest American election have a and possibly segwaying into a civil war and he said that's a good idea and that's how we got the commission is a week.

We do a trout sure.

It wasn't a pilot would have to try out show a few weeks back launch the show a week ago last Saturday and is been doing quite well, and we did the second this Saturday and you can watch it on the iPlayer as well.

I have there are no questions asked and formatted sometimes work across different countries Strictly Come Dancing would be an exam that was going to America one of the things that people say is a panel shows don't work in the US and also the American humour is very different from they don't they don't get in and then get to say that but what people.

Do you think they get it? Have you changed it? I think jokes I mean if you look at late night most of the opening monologue off flick through with Jokes John Oliver cos he's a bit as one the my I think 6 times in a row now doing drugs and they feed an American audience who get those jokes, so I don't like that actually and as for the Punisher you're right.

I mean absolutely right.

It is a traditionally they don't work because again it goes back to him or what is it? Is it a quiz? What is it nice and this is a comedy show but I'm but have you changed it now, but we've done it.

It's now.

It's now an hour long.

So it's 45 minutes in real-time with the ad breaks that's the weird thing is suddenly got a break so we had to construct each the games that fit the segments that then go to the ad break but the show itself is that you would recognise the show.

It's got the same kind of rounds with added a couple of other rounds, but it is a very recognisable version of Have I got news for you and what about the women question those same I was talking about earlier to go on panel shows certainly every not find that and and and is it a problem in America I mean not anymore? I think it is it was and I think they talked about in 2018 that kind of balance and you're on the show in America 3 regulars are Roy Wood Jr is comedian Amber Ruffin who she's the headlight on the Seth Meyers show which is the colour of late night topical and then Michael black who is a funny commentator, so we've got two african-american regulars and a

Is the diversity hiring so you know it's ok? It's a great show for that because they can we can talk about race in a way which we couldn't do of course if you didn't have that kind of configuration of using running by years and years and years in the UK and I don't know about it.

That's a good thing regardless of the news agenda.

It's been successful through Epsom Close of the news CNN is commissioned this run of 10 programmes in the middle of the 6th February.

I think if I've done my calculations correct your first edition would have been a few days after the Debate everyone was focusing on his comments about cats and dogs and so on in Springfield Ohio this is a lot of material for your program to work with that it.

Can you can live on and succeed once you'll be on there will always having election in this country, but the show go I mean that the truth is the news recycled itself, so the news is always there.

We live and breathe and you haven't you seen this country fulfils a very important function.

I think it's very feeling so informed educated entertains and at the end of the week.

We all live through the same week and then we have 3 people maybe if we're lucky five and I'll unpack the week for is in a way that is manageable and makes us laugh and laughing as you know it's very good for you and your health so we should do it more often and especially on this program.

Just generally I think but at the moment.

It's our challenge is not to make it to trump heavy because Trump is the gift that never stops giving but actually comes very boring.

It is just Trump's a very relieved last week and Kamala Harris made the comment about shooting people to come into her house, so we made a joke about her husband who famously of the DNC said when I rang up Kamala for the first time.

I said hey it's drug and it's a fantastic clip of this role that kind of uncomfortable going on stage.

I make a joke and we kept playing that in the show so we're trying to find ways and means of having a go at him on Harris as well as Donald Trump but is difficult these such a colourful character is bringing someone else to join our conversation on this is a semaphore contributor and co-host of semaphores mixed signals podcast and somewhat of a regular on the media show to name great to have you back on.

Have you watched Have I got news for you as a viewer and also is a media analyst a bit of an anglophile in the UK version of the office to the American but I think you are having a politician on there.

Pennsylvania on there, just played the role brilliantly of being a bit of a straight man and I think that the show is early so look forward to becoming even more natural and seeing the kind of host and I think the talent has been fascinating like a junior described him as characteristics and charismatic Lee cranky.

I think that works really well at the house.

So I think Michael The End by Black and Amber Ruffin mobile off each other and in terms of the when is broadcasting Saturday night for people listening you who don't know their the landscape of broadcast television in the US what kind of a slot is that to have it looks on the face of a good one to have what network normally doing on a Saturday night in I think you are usually not on a Saturday night in college football.

Nude has a comedy programme on in fact on Saturday evening is joining that with this 9 p.m.

And my of the Warner Bros Discovery that happened years ago broadcast right before this show so it's becoming a bit of a kind of comedy driven news drive-in comedy programming on that evening you know watching this makes me wonder if there will be a CNN plus.

You know in their future.

We're already thing is on the distribution platform for the United States and Max now stream.

So it will be curious to see you know how to do in the clipboard in the social world which is really late Night Comedy in the United States relevant left on the networks in the morning at evergreen, so that's interesting is almost as much about the clip the programs generators people as much as it is about people watching the programs in the moment.

Am I was struggling? I was out in the States the last couple of weeks.

How at 10 p.m.

Fox News I've got folder a show that is revolving around politics and humour and it's bad.

I was switching on evening and there was Donald Trump for a whole hour and I thought this is interesting that but trump in the middle of a very busy campaign is I've been to spend an hour on what is essentially a comedy programme or program with Jokes right.

I mean we used to have this to 10 the week.

I think it might have been given a Saturday night, but now is on week night and is you know the the Fox News comedy contributor in addition to his now I successor on Saturday evening, but there's a Desire for entertainment has a long tradition of comedy in US news as well.

Look at the Onion for example.

What is just having a bit of a facelift right now.

I'm having been recently acquired and Ben Collins being inserted is the company that outfit so use the terrible news programming.

What about the point that Jimmy was making the perhaps? There's a there's a risk that all the jokes had in One Direction's I need to say that I was watching Fox all the jokes were Harris's expensive Trump's and I can think of broadcasts on the other side of the political spectrum where it's constantly anti-trump.

Is that is there a market for a comedy program that takes aim at Everyone the media world right now.

You know the ball work or it's really you know places that cannot be identified purely is right.

Maybe they're looking for something in the middle looking for something that before he joined the outfit Christmas with it as that last text for head of the network and Chris looks background have been as executive producer of Stephen Colbert

The desire to tap into nothing is more entertaining something that's more middle-of-the-road particularly for CNN we just come under fire from trump.

You know it's being still left leaning it will be I'm sure to be able to make jokes down the middle, but I think that is someone who can really carry that you saw that in his White House Correspondents Dinner hosting.

I think that he he's able to let you know I certainly did was quite a lot of it and it would be not for me to say you are an important possible.

Thank you very much.

I'm glad to say I'd like to ask you a bit more about the kind of Rider TV landscape.

As a new line now because it was a pretty quiet nice and I'll show increase the orders by 61% on the previous slots.

That's quite a big leap so in terms of a commercial commercially viable hit it it's really take that box and we'll keep watching around you know it has been a very of the TV industry.

We all know that how you spell hat-trick.

So long ago very successful company one of the really important companies are all media landscape here in the UK and wider have been for the last couple of years.

How do you it's been tough? I mean like that actually Have I Got News For You is probably one of the prime examples is based entertainment which additionally we get me into a studio.

Give me a good format and I'll be funny for half an hour and it's quite it's got a good cause point you know it's quite easy to begin to produce, but you can produce.

They've kind of faded from the landscape in a way that the time to ring me up when the BBC cancel Mock the Week and Frankie Boyle and so is the BBC the BBC retreating from political satire I said no, I think they're just there just trying to get money to put into programs that live on the iPlayer longer, and he shows traditionally don't do that you strangely.

Have a back catalogue and we sell the back catalogues UK TV you can watch it at comedy history show so it does it does survive that particular criticism that's what happened is that the world is Changed by technology the streaming platforms and the commissioning is is reflecting that so it's been hard in certain.

It's pretty hard across the board and fewer people have commissioning things in America is very flat normally go to America to recharge your batteries and get some Coca-Cola production finance for show here.

That's pretty much going yet will the banner?

Survival 25 Lisa McGee who wrote the brilliant Derry girls Patrick she's now doing a fantastic series on Netflix 81 our trauma call how to get to heaven from Belfast and I'm there we just launched with regard to launch BBC Three comedy which shop in Middlesbrough called smoggies Queen's which is about the Queen well that they are in the process of creating Have I Got News For You support or have I got news for you and I guested if people like it.

We might I don't know it's it depends on.

What do you think about the BBC's gift as ever but not everything because you were at the Labour Party Conference and Liverpool yesterday.

About bringing vocational college to the city to help train people to work in film and TV why why why is that your password is in my own time Liverpool L19 to go to uni and in the early 70s not in a good place and it's been it's come back with a bang is such a fantastic city and I'll still up for the first time and I met Lynn Saunders at Liverpool film office and she was saying that you built to Studios during covid there Phil the full of Productions Liverpool is the most films City outside of London and I said oh the many local people gets to work on this shows Siobhan not meant not enough and we try and get training Screens and and and and there are some people but maybe the shifting of a friend Lisa villas with Tim Bevan opened up the London screen Academy year in Highbury which is the 16 to 18 year olds who do not want to spend their lives in academia.

Rising

They want to learn something vocational and they want to get a job in our industry as you know behind the camera.

There are 80 people doing fantastically different jobs and the BBC found the word Talent the talent is obviously as much behind-the-scenes.

It sure is and difficulty and difficult to grow so I'm talking to Steve Rotheram and Liam Robinson the council and leader and the mayor of Merseyside and the idea of having a school up there in Liverpool inside the Iconic Littlewoods Pools building should beautiful white art Deco building my received a lot of support for me so I'm hoping within the next 3 years will see that come to fruition well.

Please give us posted it.

Thank you very much to my mobile from coming on.

Thanks very much indeed a couple of stories who wants to mention relatively quickly on the media show the first one Katie we learnt about a few hours ago that there's a new editor of The Spectator and we've all heard of him.

Yes, we did.

Only slightly tiptoff.

Just yesterday and couldn't stand so I'm kind of getting myself about it, but anyway yes new editor of The Spectator will be subject to the approval of the authority the Independent authority that sort of approved ministers or former ministers at new appointments at Michael Gove so Fraser Nelson who's been on this program is the editor of The Spectator Michael Gove is going to take the helm of Charles Moore becoming chairman and people who listen to this will this program before will know that it follows the takeover of the 196 magazine by Sybil Marshall and identity call old Queen Street media and support Marshall is an interesting guys a hedge fund tycoon brexiteer investor in the company that owns GB news talks to buy the Telegraph and there's a lot of talk right now that sending a new media Baron on the right.

So this is the latest news there when does Michael become the bus in a week early October ok?

The Spectator earlier because it was announced that colour Harris the normal if the Democrats is going to be doing her first one-on-one network interview since you became nominee and bear in mind that was weeks and weeks ago.

So this is getting some attention the interviews with MSNBC it's a network which features a lot of house and contributors who was sympathetic to the Harris cause though of course we can't touch this interview till we see it but this time for broader issue, which I heard again and again when I was in the States the last couple of weeks the attention that the number of Media interviews the colour has been getting a lot of people saying it slow now to be clear.

We have heard from her.

She's doing rallies.

Need a special on Oprah there was a debate with Donald Trump 90 minutes of the two of them along with the moderators.

She was seen as having done well there.

She also gave an interview to CNN with her.

Mate, so they have been appearances in different forms some other interviews to but one-on-one interviews the number has been relatively low you know.

There are a number of different reasons why you might be you might remember in fact.

I think we talked about it on the programme that she didn't interview much earlier on in the Biden administration as vice president and it wasn't seem to have gone well and she was answering questions about border in particular for those potentially some nervousness there and I guess with all campaigns.

There's going to be sunny nerves around interviews and whether they may cause problems, but what was striking was become an attack line by her critics saying she's not opening yourself up to scrutiny this interview will allow her campaign to say look yes, she is just so we'll see how it goes but it's only having covered the UK election over the summer we definitely saw a lot more of Rishi Sunak and Keir starmer being quizzed in detail than we currently have seen a trump and Harris this interviews broadcast later, so we'll have to see how it goes.

Delete this talk about Phillip Schofield yes because he's making his TV come back with the Show on Channel 5 called Castaway we like this.

I think this morning on Instagram you posted it now.

You know how I spent my summer in the picture of him on the beach at the beach that the desert island because he's been marooned on a desert island with some cameras that he can self shoot and we don't know what's the programme it comes out soon enough the next Monday I think but people will remember in May 23d had to step down from this morning on ITV after more than 20-years and a week later.

He admitted.

He had an unwise but not illegal affair with a younger male colleague now.

He's come on been off social media until very recently but had started the post office in some dogs and now he's coming back to TV it looks like what a Smart Move actually because it's in a controlled environment.

He is alone.

So he's been recorded.

So you know this is going to be able to anticipate how it's

There was no problem about other celebrities getting involved and worrying been worried about backlash because it's a program with him on his own.

It is also worth saying he's never been convicted of any crime.

Obviously he admitted having a it was on why but I think he's going to address some of that we went well.

We don't know but we assume so thank you very much write finally one fantastic goes to finish at the media show how is your night going to speak to you, let's bring in sadness any co-founder of the moby group because he's going to share with this how you create and run Afghanistan largest media company because I must arrange a outlets the sidemen Sony overseas.

He runs the country's most popular broadcaster despite the Taliban being back in power in recent years is still broadcasting both news and education programs and is still using female anchors cider very welcome on the media show thank you very much indeed for your time.

Thank you Rose and you the new book called Radio 3 Afghanistan a 20-year Odyssey for an independent voice in Kabul so take us back 20-years.

How do you go about building a media Empire in Afghanistan after the US invasion and there was opportunity to start of three independent media company and we went back assuming that and that's a little bit of money and go back to Australia and have a independent manager on the business and then it became a huge success and drag this into the business the four siblings and then we spent the next 20 years building this described in Africa and the Middle East and South Asia the story of pretty difficult job and a pretty difficult environment and the difficulty.

This new environment and who is helping you with the funding to get a something that ambitious off the ground.

It was actually a very small grant $200,000 from us.

We are cells and that the operation going and it was a very very small local radio station to salon, but I can remember being a journalist on the BBC world service and being a presenter on BBC News when tolo news got underway had quite an impact from the start radio.

You know you are on radio you understand the importance of radio and radio referred to as the cockroach of the media industry keeps on survive the hazard listenership a television is so much more powerful so radio was controversial bus television was even more controversial, but today we have both so we continue to radio.

Across the country and TV networks and we entertain and educate informed the asymptotic but more importantly given that there is no one on the ground from the internet hardly anyone we also get a lot of information out of Afghanistan for the outside world and as your reporters across the country go about their news Gathering order about the news Gathering while the Americans were still present.

How was what were the tell us about the practicalities of a reporter getting a report on to the TV on the radio if they were in a part of Afghanistan was it was difficult and challenging both from a technology perspective but also in terms of local authorities government or taliban.and and are Germans have been continued to believe they probably the most courageous in the most entrepreneurial I have come across.

Figure out ways of getting back to the studio the cigarette and local authorities local card on guys or local government officials will allow them to provide them with access.

It wasn't you know interview victims attacks from both sides and muscles kids reside in those in our community.

So they had to deal with you not local strongman from from from all sides.

Hello is Katie here.

I'd like to talk specifically about your female staff because you know people in audience will be aware Afghanistan under the taleban has become a horrendous place for women there's been no formal secondary schooling for girls for 3 years now women's rights have been eroded recently women have been banned from talking in public, but you have managed to keep female presenters on the air, how have you managed that?

Disconnect between some of the Krays which are being is the leaders office in Kandahar and what's being implemented across the country so so far women considered to be appear on television, they can continue to post programmes on radio their voices are heard they can walk but you got to all the major major cities you can see their presents.

They can drive cars even the airport day with the immigration officers tend to be female as you going to the country.

They say the one stamp in your passport, but my concern is that something has to give either it's swollen and implemented fully or some of the more pragmatic Talybont push back the difficulty for us it is.

Factors in ascending order is a challenge for seminar female journalists to interview government officials wear.

Sorry and remote parts of Afghanistan people refuse to talk to them.

They're intimidated abused but they're very correct or something they carry on.

We've actually gone from in our news department 220 women since 2021 the funny thing is we just had an evaluation the women working for us were more optimistic and most thankful for what they're doing in the male staff is Brazilian Afghan women.

Biggest salmon by the Intelligence Agency there is a process.

There's a media Complaints Commission protecting that this morning in car because I was just reading the head of news babe.

You know they can do all of you that they can intimidate you.

They can lock you up taking the rescue, but they can also throw the book in terms of having broken Afghan laws, which side is as someone who is leading this Media operation.

Would you regularly speak to the taleban with they call you? Would you call them is there a type of negotiation between you and there was two the role that tolo news can play with in Afghanistan I mean I do speak and meet with some of the senior officials with the weather there in the golf or inside turkey.

Where another travel to these places are quite often and I'll put you on the ground meet them regularly, so there's a set of a strange dance.

Last relationship with developed with team members of the taleban, and this is you know when I've been arguing last few weeks as there are pragmatic individuals within the movement movement and situation on the grounds of one you are so important well.

We appreciate you doing this once again on the media.

So thank you very much and your time that side mercede and sods book is out this week.

It's called Radio 3 Afghanistan a 20-year Odyssey for an independent voice in Kabul that is all we have time for this week like to find out more about the implications for the world of pr of the Al-Fayed Story search for the when it hits the fan podcast all about the world of communications on BBC sounds and there's also 5-part podcast accompanying the new TV documentary called world of Secrets predator at Harrods you can also catch all editions of the movie show on BBC sounds.

Two things down from the middle item Katie that we did earlier one was the name a talk about the search for something in the middle which I think for media news media around the world is a been a difficult search recently in its interest here.

That's gone and Jimmy mobile told us Liverpool's the second most filmed city in the country, which I didn't know I was trying to rack my brains.

Where all those films that we know that we've seen him so much for listening.

Thanks.

I guess good.

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