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That's all happening in this edition of the media club come on in to see you both first of all Tara at tell me who's had a good mediaweek.

Who do you like to add to the club? Well, as I said I was going to actually investigation news today, but I am it's going to put Alex Martin in because I've just come hotfoot from tanar survey report on gender and trust sushi, Telford TF4 CEO and she gave it was a really bold and brave speech actually cooling at the Tech Titans I think she'd called them for their was it once on the bandwidth of the pursuit of Truth or something like that and calling on the industry to work together.

To provide some kind of bulwark against this sort of flattening of the hierarchy which means that someone who's making up stuff in their bedroom is via and can be seen you know as much as trustee contact from Channel 4 news, so she has some practical suggestions some kind of trust me.

I think she called it is like a stamp stamp on it.

She also called full training of large language models with public service content and also suggested having prominence on social media public service content in the same way that the algorithm using algorithm 2 to give that problems in the same way the public service is given prominence on telly.

Really worrying divide between men and women and how they broadcast the news providers address that why so many men feel this in disenfranchised the survey showed that so it was a really really went to the heart is in association with the RCS as well, but it really went to the heart of a big issue facing news providers at the moment and facing parents at the moment about how your children get their news.

What's trusted? What's not how can the broadcasting industry provide a trusted way through that you know if they're rumours about Alex leaving you know kind of like Legacy this would be a good good good.

Good thing to be doing the radicalism of the algorithm because it's not good then.

You don't know who else is being radicalised what they're what they're saying no exact.

You know I've got a son who is nearly 16 and daughter who is 18 and they're getting all sorts of stuff and I say to them if you see thing then go to a trusted provider like you no BBC or Sky or Channel 4 news and double sausage, but as the Channel 4 report found that there is this flattening of hierarchy so people youngsters will think that's something that their friend posts has much validity and truth as something that they do you know my from another source so that's really hard to breath.

Had that conversation similarly a teenager.

I've got home really 16 and I mean years ago now right at the beginning of pandemic.

They constantly going to room and Mum you know it started in a lab something with the furniture of breaking news if you could look a bit BBC and it's scary because one day.

We might not have to go and check with BBC

How to check back with and that really trying to make the middle of the side of the sofa thank you for having me it's lovely to be here German TV journalist and author of the book in a little bit of the judiciary give it out their behaviour at work, but the latest in the Noel Clarke case is at was his legal team were trying to get the Guardian story various defences for of the Guardian story thrown out his trying to see the DLC for defamation and some stupid data breaches the Mrs Justice tyres.

I would like to invite into the media club because she the headlines also he suffered a blow this week, but she basically told him he couldn't.

The Guardians defences of truth and public interest from their 2021 and 2022 articles about him and his legal team suggested that the fabricated evidence and then when challenged his barrister said he admitted he couldn't actually point to a specific document there been fabricated so clearly just you know you can just hear between the lines that kind of this when is just not got any time it pleases me when I when I see something woman.

Who's had enough welcome.

It's good to add office Justice to the membership list.

I think that's ok for a story ITV announced a new Toby Jones takes on a goliath drama Tara what's this one that's popped up this one is the hack a couple of different names, but it's basic.

Phone hacking and it follows David from the garden and Amelia Hales as well and they're report me and how they uncovered it the hacking it's combined if I'm in it shows the police working it show as well.

I think was it the Daniel Morgan case I'm as well into Wavin and the to do with the people who were doing the private detectives and the work that they were doing but I'm covering of hacking and the methodical and you know terrier like reporting that was done by Nick and the God move this story on and get it to where it is today with the millions billions.

That's been spent on damages and it's a good.

Is a great cast as well, it's obviously is done by the same team behind Mr Bates in the post office in in the sense that it's Patrick Spencer's ITV Studios it's written by someone who there must be two of him.

He's the hack is it's the biggest story because it goes to the heart of journalism.

He goes to people that you know when you at the time he were going out getting how are they getting the stories? They went light 10:30 Wiley you know where the stories come from.

Just couldn't understand it and it was because they were lying and cheating it will be interesting to see how much comes out.

What was inevitably at happened with Mr Bates in the post office if there's anything left if there will be people shaking.

Is she featuring in this as well another dog with bring about as long as he's alive in real life, so he's kind of thing as well known as me and double Denim and Leather Jacket but never comes up.

It's some kind of cool little shots to tell him in the still just looks I mean actually strangely undulate Loki just just be slightly open but I can't wait to see who plays and will be a brilliant.

Please bring the stand-up guy you want to be betrayed by someone else suggested Bill Nighy it would be better if you want if you want to the order to fill incredible pesos you know for the editor of The Guardian then you.

Story that we're intrigued with an a lot of lessons at all of course be watching it to cross over into the mainstream.

Is it something that can be aware of phone-hacking enough? I think so, I'm obviously knows he is the moment we're all nosey, but I think the fact that you know sometimes it did cross over into quotes normal people.

It wasn't always celebrities.

Obviously been really distressing stories of Dennis hacking phones of murder victims and goodness knows what I think I mean.

I think there's the nose in this will win out.

I don't know if it will have the same emotional impact maybe is Mr Bates but I think it will certainly be pursued well.

It will be hard as well.

The ones who the good ones because again it goes back to this trusted news and a lot of good journey that I know who were caught up in this on those papers that were involved had to get prove time and time again to people that they weren't acting.

And yet for the profession it's going to the spotlight on it for the right reasons and absolutely should happen, but as long as people then don't go out with that's just the mainstream Media that you will hacking but we weren't doing amazing things and helping helping people so that's that should be made by TV studios worked out how to make money from this because of Mr racing Post Office isn't a lot about that didn't make any money so it's co-production as well company extremist and hear the news with the links.

I mean it does make it more of a global story I mean succession I suppose down you could say it's succession in real life the way into it is through hacking, but it's this powerful Media Empire which crosses continents so they might be able to kind of you know Council

Didn't make a Mr B the BBC World Service is 230 jobs open next year in a bit budgets on track this is despite the Foreign Office agreed to increasing the funding of the serviced this coming in from the government Labour government bit more funding of the BBC but the world service have had to make more cuts global news someone last night actually at the Netflix event because it's you can't forecast what's going to happen in the news and there's a lot of the countries to cover and you don't know where you're going to have to sign your resources and obviously you're having two also operating and financial year which they don't have the money for.

Play some of these things a student will be done in retrospect and then you know perhaps they can be restored, but it is a lot and has lots of the 130 rules they're going to rejig some of the services commissioning mix or something like that and monitoring as well as important for the power of the UK monitoring isn't really the sexy part of BBC or service, but it monitors what government saying about too much more involved in the media than they used to be used of torn between I get some of it can be handled kind of with ar vs.

Real humans.

I won't really understand what what is they're paying for? I think it's something will lose maybe the world service or significant parts of it and then will notice that we don't have is.

All over the world we don't have that stream of information coming in again.

It goes back to what you're saying the start about just not having that relied upon in information source obviously BBC sorry is always looking at how to cut costs because I have two and you know something has to give somewhere, but it's just feels like a table is gradually having his legs removed.

It makes me very uneasy so much happening.

There is so many countries the demands on them so high and there's always challenge of licence fee pay as go up some more work coming here in the UK please.

That's it.

I think I think will notice it when it's gone.

That's the worry.

I'm sorry we seen a lot with news organisations cutting CNBC news cuts of this month as well.

Do you think everybody's happy pulling away from international it's in the easiest thing to cut and concentration domestic.

Sick line being put up by lots of news organisations at the moment in broadcasting is moving to digital because I'm lying is cheaper than doing old school broadcast and getting you need to pick the video online.

You don't have to if not.

It's resource.

Heavy is it but it's trying to sort of join the dots between you know you got Chromecast with Sky News coming up soon.

You've got a cut backs at the BBC News cutbacks at world service and you just think cutbacks on BBC local radio and you think where is heading.

What does it mean for viewers with all these Paris different cut and trying to join the dots I don't know if it if the word can let morning I spelt out between them, but it's expensive it is really expensive ok when we return we dive into the comedy industry.

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It's upon farewell to John Clark who's leaving the Daily Star 27 years as the editor clocks.go the number of Blockbuster from pages that captured the Nation's attention including a livestream lettuce for outlived trust as prime minister defended The Corporation against accusations at the Scottish production crew for the traitors has actually been shipped from London telling MSP

I'm not gaming the system and they want to go beyond regulations to invest more in the nation and the funding crisis is over for one production as the adaptation of Booker Prize winning book sugar has been announced by the BBC after a 24 came on board to go finance the deal drama Lindsay salt call the crisis a perfect storm but added that we at the BBC or Sky ambitious as ever Tara engine.

It's still with me eating with streamers for high and Drama the next on Netflix event last night and this came up actually people talking about it drinks afterwards about shows in limbo and you could I guess you can kind of see one hand you know it was very it with you last night massive Picturehouse central.

You know you know amazing do and so much content.

Amazing, it's like who isn't working for Netflix at the moment.

They had a live streaming from America it was 12 countries around the world this simultaneous sort of an ounce local content and they got probably their biggest year ever and they've got the what sounds like the first chat show with John mulaney.

They got more live events.

They said that they would do they got Netflix houses.

They had sneak peeks of Stranger Things game Wednesday so it was huge and beautifully done.

So you can kind of see if you were a British broadcaster, you'll be going to say that channel 4 head jacuzzis Academy this was like Olympic sized swimming pools with the Netflix logo all over it of cash.

It was beautifully done.

People I think watch it the revenues are up some up to 15 minutes give us a up to 15 shows are in green light limbo.

So there was an argument going on last night between various discussion, you know is it that the BBC or Public Service Broadcasting they have to cut the cloth differently if there isn't the copra money available on NetFlix I meant it was her saying she wants to do you know do you know co-productions and working with local broadcast something they want to do you say is easy to say how much you know how much the Public Service Broadcasting independence at can raise.

There's so many people out there at the moment trying to raise finance and Debt finance I know of April

Drama, which might not come back because they can't get the money at the commercial or other countries doing different ways of adding levees, so what's their saying you have to produce a certain amount of your your shows are in France we use French teams.

I think it's some of the Nordic countries have 5% Levy so money.

Can I used to like the Danish Film Institute to do it as a surcharge looking out for the licence on Netflix I mean.

I think yes, I think you're talking about you know it sounds so kind of Fast And Beautiful they throw money at these events and presentations and the package and it's I live is on my husband is just coco.

He works with Charlie Brooker Philomena cunk on BBC and then onto Netflix

The the money is around gift.

It feels like TV used to feel they kind of trying to in terms of the people making it so they come the shop window is absolutely bursting and full I'm not sure it's financially as brilliant.

Just like someone play writing for them as a pundit looking at Netflix it looks to me unsustainable like how on earth can they keep this going but it seems sensible that they could work with local broadcasters if they are becoming as well dominating Force mate.

Will have to work with them all you know you talking about it's a prominent won't be in again ways of forcing Public Service Broadcasting on them the audience even just would like to the consumers level Netflix and the other training you know they've given money to screen skills to help.

You know various training organisations and people to come into the industry.

I mean that helps them obviously but you know they do give back in that way and I mean I think Chris Brown has said this is unlikely to happen in the UK the BBC in a parcel to use some of the licence fee to for digital switchover, so it's not like in this country haven't use Uno creative money to fund other things that there is this kind of to help the broadcasting ecology it could happen, but then you know what the other side on the other Direct Netflix Netflix TV show with the sidemen wise I want the other broadcasters not doing it they doing the Adolescents the Jack Thorne which is brilliant.

We only saw some that last night, but these full episodes and it's incredibly immersive.

It's like theatre on TV you know if they showed us some.

The cameras bing pass between the camera mentally that is all done in one take each episodes that kind of innovation.

You know why is the other day got the cash to attract all those people and BBC love to do it but they just can't afford it.

Is that big but I don't know what to do something like that lessons.

I don't know to be honest with you.

It's not vegan glossy.

It's A Very British Story of My Life crime.

God of experimenting with yeah, maybe you know anything experimental means they're risking not having a pressure on all sides from from the writing about the the licence fee some discussion about adding on a tax to get flicks governments or patent leather corner by saying they don't do anything with general taxation the regular licence fee discussion of its a dreadful way to find the TV network except for the other ways.

They are completely in a corner.

I don't know what the answer is because I just don't have a glass with like the other options what's better, but as a as a licence payer and the value BBC almost above everything in the current Media landscape time.

I hope to god someone works out BBC rejecting Netflix subscribers if they saw her a £10 charge on Netflix bill would be very happy each month don't really have the BBC tax on a Netflix subscription, but I'm sure there is a clever way and maybe you know whoever is the next BBC director-general and those people who have been mentioned to people like you know Jo han-chul Charlotte moral.

You know Alex monner women actually I think that.

So maybe you know it will be down to when if Tim Daly leave them to try and come up with some kind of knew where operating been outside the BB12 no, she gets it but you know I think there's a fundamental understanding within the BBC that something needs to change it.

If not necessarily the actual structure of the how it supplied weather not there anymore caveats mean means-tested in some way, I was going to ask where Netflix down because you mentioned the launches heavily about the new live event they started that you supporting vector that I can carers support so instead.

I haven't seen any of them, but as they become more of her occasionally live is on is that make my broadcast as well as a like that change their status as a streamer says they're awesome rules around.

Advertising video on Demand services that sort of ACO regulated with rock on Amazon Prime's and there and I didn't Netflix's but probably will end up being supported with this sort of embrace into the UK government regulatory system and you can definitely see something happened.

I keep saying the council tax is the best way to listen to speak with council tax different people pay different rates based on their means-tested acted.

How much money listening ear BBC policy not probably Julia exciting news in a cup.

That's booked we'll be released camera here.

Yes, yes, it's called don't make me laugh.

I could tell you write about TV comedy and I've always really love comedy and never had ambitions to go into fiction, but keeps saying post me to like it's happened in the past and I hate when people do that but for the Post 2017 when me to became a thing the people I know he working probably started to talk more openly about be the high density of awful men working in stand up comedy in front of my phone some of them promoters.

You know a whole raft of them and it seems to be there.

They were just impossible to remove them from the industry so in bed, are they and an idea for a book started to to turn around then I started writing it about 2019.

So so it's a heavily fixture lies.

It's entirely.

But obviously based on lots of real stories.

I've heard because as the years have gone on I've taken a greater interest in this aspect of comedy the dark underbelly of the industry and you know women have started to talk me.

I've investigated a few stories myself and yeah with little else to do with them because of you know the level of the country.

I just decided to write made up give us a plot teaser so I've started off with there's a radio producer called Ali and she's 40.

We meet her 40th birthday.

It's the worst day of my life.

Everything's gone wrong turn on that day when she's at her absolute lowest she meets this exciting stand-up comedian called Ed Catchpole and they hatch a plan to make you work together.

She's looking for a comedian for her radio show he seems to have the way out there friendship starts to blow into something else and then her she has a kind of moment of Revelation when she realises perhaps he and certainly the industry occupies is

Dreadful people Les the men when you were here in the comedy world Partners in the world always happen, but it was not really talked about on my TV so there's a catalyst I think I think that seems to shake something loose shall we say it wasn't like a moment of all at once and people now still talk about his British comedy going to have it's me to moment I hate the word and obviously you know we're talking about Russell Brand earlier the accusations against him to BBC investigation has been to publish today.

What was the line that they they said it says it is also clear that they were compliance inadequacies on some of Russell Brand Radio 2 shows which led to content being aired that would not be broadcast today.

What's another Chrissy's phrase? There's a lot of excuses for a lot of people in different world that would play it down in that similar way the problem with a mean of zero allegations from a different aspect area of the showbiz publishing we have in the whole game in animations more recently the Noel Clarke story as there are so many of these stories and a lot of them.

You know they're not all dealing with the same thing some of them are dealing with criminal behaviour electrical behaviour some of them are dealing with a grey area which is kind of what I'm more interested in the kind of historical line.

Is you know we can't say it was different back then everyone just looked the other way.

So how do we what do we say that sounds acceptable and completely? No, it's not compliance.

It's the culture of looking the other way.

It's always making money and kind of like a social group of silverback.

You don't point them and say what are you doing with women you should have just pretend you don't see it and that.

That is what we've all done.

It's not just men or women.

We've all done that the hope that has been raised.

Obviously it's all been fixed now and it doesn't happen and then and then and then everything just keeps me up like that one him obviously everyone everything between and and the kind of you know all these keep coming up.

When will my little never end but it's not about the bad apples that keep on trying to come back, but it's about the culture that and specifically I think was so interesting because the culture of comedy is still it still fairly boys at the boys club.

They were women and non-binary actors now be coming as successful as the man, but it's taking a long time and then it's still the Fabric of comedy is still a boys' club.

It's going to take a huge cultural shift for this not keep popping up and it will do and the thing that struck me most in comedy.

I think was young comedians are going to getting referred to as I do every year love it young comedians female comedians doing their acts about being sexually assaulted on the on the comedy circuit at the Edinburgh festival being asked to give oral sex informational to get the next gig it's not 20 years ago.

It's now and that without an HR department to to stop it to called into question is just not going to change and to the book you in two weeks.

It is called don't make me laugh trip to Canada and I got like because it was such a good book.

I didn't sleep.

I'm very sorry no good is really good for pre-order now funny as well.

I thought you was FFS yeah, which is explained.

It's sort of like a video podcast substance the everything is that now it's like individual.

It's audio.

It's substep so substack is really interesting at the moment.

I think my husband is a comedy right.

It is also on substack and it's obviously it's sort of being a great place to have a spike collar.

I think you couldn't sell as a journalist maybe you write an article there and that's certainly what it was for me, but now it's becoming this and they're really working the right as you signed up to it almost like a kind of cold.

So if they see your numbers going up and that you're doing lots of interaction with your audience is growing.

They kind almost call you in the headmasters on play.

How would you like to monetize this and what can we do to help? You obviously as it benefits them too.

So you can you can podcast on substack you can I think at the moment you can do a live video think if there's like.

Two of you is basically a Friday feminist salon, which sounds terrible but it's not I promise it's me and two brilliant women who do a punk rocker with a mad so if a cock sensima, Saxton and another brilliant write a good underwater who's written for everyone's great journalist and the four of us.

Just kind of meet up on a study on Friday we can't do it live because you would get railed to death by insoles for weight can a video chat and put it out on a Friday we're just can't you like a member benefit and community then maybe that's the thing we can pay wall or it depends really but I think you know where all journalists were actually Jennifer psychotherapist if she's fine.

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It's entitled back of the net I don't like the sound of your name if you know the answer so you will say Tara and you know you're say Juliet let's play number one.

How much is a 30-second Super Bowl ad slots reportedly worth tara tara about 8 million quid a million dollars.

Sorry.

I just got up so I think of something at 7 million was selling out and so they worked up to 8 million places where the whole of America gathers around the telly and you.

the Hellman's out last year the Harry Met Sally is that is that someone's done When Harry Met Sally with them this year as well with the Harry Met Sally what is Eurosport to be renamed in the UK because I know because my son was lamenting disappeared after 35 years with the times and it was it BT Sport and

Stuff together that's technically it's the kind of like leftover you get Eurosport on telly button I mean maybe it works better.

Thank you.

Auntie is coming next year to give some metal support that we will continue to exist in Europe for the moment anyway, which radio station is launching a fast channel Julia why do I know that lots of TV stuff but the fast bandwagon doing the TV tell us to put the first channels on there going to be the first launch partner one.

We should take on in the evil fully Instagram Andre side and substack is called I dare say I think it's called that a long time ago guardian podcast RTS and yeah on blue sky in particular, but always with her ear to the ground for joining us today remember you can go to the media club.com and sign up to our free substack, so we can keep you updated that with what the shows doing.

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