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no last month Nicky Campbell presented a three-part series on Radio 4 called how boarding schools shaped Britain pound Lee influenced our world and world's far beyond these Shores

play for the major generals of Empire captain's of industry soldiers of Christ and Men born and bred to rule over us the first episode with subtitles building man of my after it went I prompted a lot of listeners actually women listeners to contact my name is Alison a design from Liverpool I'm 5 minutes into the first programme women and girls not exist not one so far in the general introduction has Nicky Campbell mentioned the word boys.

I assume if I listen further he will clarify what is referring to boys boarding schools and the Men They produce.

I am so crossed that the program assumes all people are male that I don't know whether to continue listening return from South East London I listen to Part 1 of this program and the Sociology of education was so disappointed to be transported back.

Programming of the past girls and women are in have always been involved in boarding schools, but no we got monkey muscular Christianity at Central Angela baba.

Stock Haslemere I've been listening to this and feel like I don't exist but none of my gender exist, but it's so totally taken for granted that the historic boarding schools email.

It wasn't even worth mentioning and Furious not just an elite elite and very much evident in the narrative construct.

It's just not cricket over 3 epic we heard from authors historians psychologists and Princess Diana's brother Charles Spencer but no, where did we hear from women nothing? No the word about girls boarding schools all the impact on women who went to them all the co-educational boarding schools that have been around for generations will hear from women who contacted us with their own stories about.

Experience of boarding school but first I spoke to Claire Fordham who was the executive producer on high boarding schools shaped Britain before we start can I just say thank you so much for those listeners you got in touch with their stories and experiences.

I absolutely love the fact that people talk to us this community of women for a Radio 4 and even when they're not happy with you.

Just send such fun thought for emails.

We were really really happy to read them and you know it's true the series didn't address women and boarding schools and I think where we went wrong as we didn't explain why and I am sorry for that we wouldn't really show all workings to to our listeners which is what we normally like to do.

So what were we doing well, we were exploring men's elite boarding and how in Britain they were developed actually specifically in the early 20th century to create a really certain type of leader.

Who did who take a role in a rolling the Empire in ml.

And politics so in that sense those few schools had it out an impact on all of us, because they created all our leaders and the schools they did educate men the top jobs for men in patriarchal, and we concentrated on then wouldn't say that.

I wouldn't take a moment to go listen everybody we're not doing the women because women's education was doing something really different at that time in the was bored in education for women but it wasn't it wasn't really creating them pretty leaders in the same way Claire thank you very much for being so frank with us because I think that is what I'm looking for and I think probably you're going to a green-eyed with Jane Cooper who says girls boarding schools have short but no less interesting Histories have somewhat different value slightly different emotional scarring.

I'm still surprised.

I got totally say I'm surprised in truth pretty accurate.

Private school boys totally overlook the girls again during the production process we didn't just ignore that and go.

Oh, it's just not do women we sat and really chat about it.

We said we could do there so we could do that and then we started think we're going to squeeze these women stories.

This is a whole series in itself with the women as a separate series and then we had a chat and let's let's watch the second series let's pitch boarding schools and women but we missed out that crucial moment where you tell your listener our listeners, what we were doing and the fact that this was very much a world of men at creating power structures around then.

I don't need to tell you that you know it wasn't just built by men women half the population in England to buy the 18 hundreds of a girls boarding school springing up partly because of empire and those women were also being shaped to build the Empire perhaps in a different way perhaps.

The wives of leaders but indeed and did that The Mothers of leaders, so yes, it is very different, but it's not as if they weren't there and they weren't playing a part and of course none of that explored an absolutely and that's something that we think is massively important to explore in a different series we had an email from the lady who said to us that we had none of the free passes to power and top jobs by station, so there are people out there who went to the schools and we've been prepared for something quite different at that time and absolutely it's an important thing that we would love to explore in a serious because we think it's worth a separate series to look at the experience of women.

Yeah, I was just push bike slightly Claire because not all leaders are men in this country or have been men for the last 1550 and more years there have been plenty of prominent women in the judiciary politicians in the media married into the royal family and many of them have gone to top.

It hasn't just been male leaders who shaped Britain even up to today no absolutely agree with you.

Obviously, there's lots of Fantastic women leaders out there.

I think what we were doing is looking at Harveys very specific group of boarding schools.

Set out to create a system of leadership and at that time most of the people benefiting within that system of leadership were men and they did go on to take on those rolls in Empire in a military in politics and in that sense those schools did create the majority of the leaders of that era.

Not all of them.

It's not all of them, but the majority of them came from from Madeira and it's interesting that we've had three female prime ministers in this country and none of them went to boarding school and although actually quite a lot of the top politicians in this country who are women have actually been to public schools to some of the top weapons and mixed boarding schools and the other thing that.

Like AnnMarie Turnbull pointed was that the one many many references to pupils and kids to children when you actually only talking about boys and the same words like leader and even nation were used when you were actually also only talking about men and she said she thought that gender-blind programming was a thing of the past and Alison edit.

I am so crossed that the program as soon as that all people are male that was also a mistake wasn't in the scripting.

I'm sorry if people took that away from what we were doing with the program perhaps.

We use the word people when we should have been very very explicit about boys I felt as a listener, but it sounded like girls only joined the schools in the last decade or so the girls at Wellington College in the 1970s and in Millfield which you also featured in the 1960s plenty of women who have my age and older Who been through.

You could have spoken to feed wanted to yes, and I suppose that speaks to the the mistake if you like that we made at the very beginning that we didn't make it clear that what we were doing here was exploring a certain type of male leadership which then in some occasions that sometimes could be subverted and there's power structures and codes of Silence could then be subverted and that let us to look then there is a set of dark history experiences, but we did want to leave space in this program to explore that too and how possibly that was all related to leadership want you to hear a comment from Susanna Shaw from North Somerset I've been listening to Nicky Campbell's boarding school series and apart from the usual distress it brings recording my memories from boarding school.

I found this program fascinating.

I've never looked into getting counselling for the impact it has on doubtedly had on me and my siblings and some of the insights of really made me look back on how I've handled myself.

It was extraordinary that is yet.

There's actually no mention of girls boarding schools where there are different goals and stressful having a separate episode voted to this wouldn't mind just smack of old fashioned token two sessions and you don't that is really part of the conversation that we had when we were the production team about about how to make this this series that we didn't want to squeeze a little bit of women into one part of it and how could we weave in their experience when the main schools that we were discussing at the beginning of this where all boys schools where and how would we bring in women without immediate have been told you've not done enough to do you know half one-and-a-half episodes on each or do we say this is what we doing this time and another time? Let's do a great series about women series Claire Fordham executive producer of high boarding school.

Written thank you for coming onto feedback know what the series did to was prompt women to send us their own experiences of boarding school and I wanted to let you here if you marry from Sevenoaks I for one will never forget the utter loneliness.

I experienced when I was deposited at my first boarding school at the age of 11 in 1967.

This was exacerbated by cruel bullying not least because I became the object of ridicule for my home clothes.

I was still wearing play the smock dresses when miniskirts a big hug and I may have been less physical abuse the girls boarding schools that girls could be brutal verbally and cycle and just killed at the practise of ostracism perhaps another series is required.

I'm Simmons and I live in South Shropshire

Sent that was a predominantly day school at the age of 8 in 1963 leaving behind everything I knew including a large family will subsequently sent away, but not such a young age.

It was never explain to me why this happens and it was a horrible experience.

I remember being free of all the girls who looked after us in boarding house could be cruel and she was obviously discriminative a little heathen, but I don't remember any physical abuse I had cancelling a few years ago as I had last two brothers and was struggling to cope with my mother who is alive.

I had a lovely cancer to explain it simply we conclude that my experiences as a child had impaired my ability to deal with.

Angry as a young child away at school to work as hard as I could cause.

I think I have dealt with my life certainly my professional life as an adult.

Thank you to Mary and Claire for sharing that with us whether you are listening live to the news on the evening of 28th of February when president zelensky trump and vice president Vance net for a fireside chat in the Oval Office or you heard you afterwards on the news you probably agree that the event was Joe dropping.

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Futurologist writer and consultant on radios future, he was writing about this move on his blog at the end of last year James I love you title radio futurologist and that is just need to look into the future and tell us what is it going to be like to access BBC content from overseas, so if you're listening to anything other than Radio 4 or the BBC world then you will not be able to use the BBC Sounds app, because that is going away and so you'll lose you at Radio 2 and Radio 1 and all those stations as of early spring apparently.

Who is there going to be a new app that the BBC is going to ask people to download overseas.

Yes, there is and it so it's a very good app.

It's the BBC app really is a simple as that and it contains the BBC News website it contains the BBC news channel here in Australia and in the US

Contains an awful lot more including what they calling BBC audio which is all of the BBC podcasts which of course are funded by advertising outside of the UK as well as live radio from the world service and from Radio 4 from really pleased about the audio section of that a couple of weeks ago and so yes, we're still listening to this outside of the UK absolutely go and download that now.

It's too really nice experience and but it does mean of course that we are going to lose all of the BBC's domestic radio stations apart from Radio 40 things of course like Radio 2 on Radio 1 but also things like Radio Scotland and you know my my favourite Leeds I'm gonna lose that so and I think that that is going to be quite a shock when people find that out a little bit later on in the year.

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You talk about people finding it out the BBC

Play the press release about this, but it does seem to be really low key I mean there's no fanfare.

It's absolutely nothing like for example the launch of BBC signs.

How big a deal is the BBC well? It's a big deal in terms of revenue because it means that the BBC can properly Revenue and money from advertising outside of the UK and that's what the BBC Studios part of the BBC is all about it's about making money which can get them go back into programs and that's is a course a good thing but of course you would expect the closure of the BBC Sounds app is kind of hidden in the second to last paragraph of that release and answer what we see is you know beautiful new for you to go and find some great audio in that's all great by the way we're going to turn off the other app and I think you know as I say I think.

Very many people have realised that they are going to lose the domestic channels of course you know we have no access to the domestic TV stations here either so from that point of view it does make sense, but I don't think people have fully appreciated that they are going to lose access overseas now, if you are travelling if you have the BBC sounds normally live in the UK you will be able to go on holiday and continue waking up to Scott Mills or whatever.

It is that you want to do and that's all fine, but you won't be able to use it for a long period of time overseas.

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I would ask anything you can do to influence the decision makers to think the plans and continue to let us enjoy these programs.

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They very recently been doing a lot of deals with podcast companies.

Play countries to go out and sell that advertising even more effectively so advertising in the BBC's shows his nothing new to people overseas.

What's near here.

Is that the BBC will for the first time be able to have advertising in the app and you see an advert as you're listening to Radio 4 in their realistically for those people who are listening to the incredible amount of podcasts which are available from the BBC The Incredible amount of content not just from Radio 4 and the world service but all the stations.

I think that actually listening to a couple of ads and paying for the BBC in that way is probably a good thing to James cridland editor of podcast news.

Thank you so much for that guided tour of the proposed changes now.

We will be looking for more clarity on this from the BBC I think there's going to be more to come from you as well as we find you exactly.

It's going to impact overseas listeners, but that's all for today from me and the team.

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