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It's a great title but now we add to that member of the media club, so almost almost is good, but as part of that you get to have a plus one who sing this week this week.

I would like to add BBC's news deputy director of Fiona crack the announced this week that they will be using AI translation to lunch in you polish late.

You see polsku which I think it's just such an exciting use of the technology.

It's something that a few publishers.

Started to get into and I think it's fraught with risk and you know ethical dilemmas that need to be carefully thought through but I think it's a really exciting we of reaching at school and a way that we haven't been able to do before it and the way that the BBC are going about it is exactly the right way of doing it there got complete editorial control nothing is fully automated those team of experts behind its original contact been produced as well and I think it's really good to see publishers embracing this technology after we seen Reddit who tries with automated translation and Google changing its position on what exactly is allowed and isn't allowed and I really hope my property for sale follow suit and start using AI in this really kind of creative positive way.

Yeah, it exactly that and I think been really curated as well about the type of content that gets it gets translated and what is interesting to that audience and and creating new car, but uniquely for that audience so we are really important part of it cos I'm really excited about that.

I think the companies that are partnering with I know something a little bit and the quality of the translation is so much better than what it used to be if that if you have something to Google translator not that at bottle and I think as well that maybe maybe the amount of effort that goes into improving these translations there is it's a lot of work to get an AI translation up to the standards to be and to get the tone of voice re20 a Daily Mail translation Welsh translation and I think the putting the leg work in is going to be really interesting to watch the the benefits of that.

Is your plus one this week? My plus one is Stephen sackur we know that he departed hard talk great anguish texting from the BBC and from that program in particular to print he really to stick his head above the parapet to say not for him.

He know he knows he had a good run but for the format for the long form interview holding leaders cultural for all sorts of people across the world to account in really quite a singular fashion.

I mean hard talk does standouts and if you look up old episodes on YouTube they have stood the test of time and he just didn't know what was going to happen to either.

It's all the BBC or him and one of those three things is at least safe because he's jump to cross the river and he popped up this week on X and just at first glance he seems to have found a very happy home.

He has been asked all about his opinions his knowledge is inside about what's going on in this chaos.

Global political climate and clearly he's got it all to give and I think it's it's a happy Meeting of Minds but it's a shame that it had to happen in the world of short-form producer in the world along for me a podcast to sort of reinvented the long form interview that there are ways to to do it well.

It's strange they didn't maybe flips the format exactly I think he made the point that in this world of short-form.

Yes, of course.

There's a there's a place for TiK ToK is that a place for the Snapchat and get down with the kids, but people were tuning in that podcast approved that there is a Hunger ever ever deeper hunger for profound.

Take your time really do just analyse the issues and as I said holding those people to account holder.

It really was very very special and he was left head scratching at the decision and of course yes.

Is future at the BBC became untenable as a result so yes, no Surprises that somebody else's scooped him up yesterday lunchtime x radio ok this week plans to regulate search have been set up by the competition and markets authority has to see my about this before so the same finds that news publishers are in when it comes to the AI overview they can opt out of it, but doesn't stop them out of Google as well.

Yeah exactly so it's not it's not really a triangle for furniture ideas and to not have the option of we are content appears.

You're saying your option is basically don't appear at 11 is not really a choice.

There are many publishers who could you be able to take that so I think this is a really it's a really positive move like it's definitely in the right direction.

Absolutely needs this and it's great that the regulator is recognising some of the challenges that were chasing status.

What does that? What does that mean? It means that they are able to impose like more of Rules around Google than we would be if the if you didn't have that designated latest one of the things that we would absolutely love to see is that we get some actual reporting and some insights into weird that traffic is coming from the moment for publishers.

We can't tell the difference between if somebody has clicked on an article.

That's been linked in and out of you or if they clicked on article when it's ranking a normal Google so it makes it really difficult to properly understand what the impact of some of these big I change it is because there's no differentiation in any of their Analytics totally forgotten to do.

Salvei and I started seeing a chat GPT appearing in search and a text when you can look at that butt and she said there's no way to discern the to what's your lunch.

I I think that the analytics part of it is something that the are capable of doing an all publishers wants it and I think if we could get to a point where we can clearly see where that traffic is coming from and being able to track it like that is going to give us so much more insight than we have in the moment.

I'm sure we're going to come into this a bit more bit more later, but also just see the the having more control over where and how are content of Peter's is going to be really ki-44 publishers because at the moment it feels like our hands are tied Caroline always stuck with the technology make a giant something it does seem increasingly that the Tech is leading all the editorial and creative.

I mean bit of a sad day for us a creative types, but I guess perhaps it will inspire and democratise things that we don't even know about yet.

It is involved with lots of levers.

They can pull but always I guess they are going to be playing catch up when we were told that Facebook was no longer tech platform and had to take responsibility for being a publisher and really had the burden of which it has to a certain extent.

I think addressed in terms of the content the moderation and that the wild west is not so healthy for everybody involved, but it's interesting isn't that mean I remember working for a previous publisher and we used to be summoned to those meetings to be told they've changed the algorithm and of course we were absolutely the mercy of what Facebook in those who decided to do it now of course Google with their AI offerings are equal.

You managed to sort of Bond villain somewhere taxing a letter saying I shall make it more about stories today and just seen the whole publishing world panic as 1 cells under quite a lot of threats from the Bai sighted might not be end run around them and they can they keep that omelettes yeah, I think they are so massive like the even though yes chat to BT and the other alarms are growing incredibly quickly Google has it has the history of probably see the suit and the the type of data that they have is just for a particularly for kind of breaking news types of queries.

Just sort of sets them apart from the other Allen's but then having said that you see you know you see all the time of this point in the not too distant future of mining activity starts overtake Justin search.

Honestly.

Just don't let me know I think.

Moving so quickly and it's user behaviour that is changing and I'm it's impossible to know how soon people are going to be comfortable comfortable and an llm answer over a traditional search and it might be that he just said it fragments in that there.

Are you know you go to chat to BT if you've got some quite long complicated thing that you want.

It's weird.

How do I get to a certain place if I have three children and I need toilet that's definitely another question but if you just want to know the Sainsbury's opening time if you stick with Google well.

I'm sure about TV production of being in a slump the Guardian some UK film Crews at picking up work in a new genre vertical dramas Caroline it's in three years this no great surprise there's no she's not have vertical content consumed tiktok reels all of that he needs a short.

So they wanted to minute episodic drama.

We're watching the Pride and Prejudice earlier.

It's the same thing it is interested in the interests of research and teamwork I did watch them Pride and Prejudice in vertical form on my phone so I mean drama production companies would have you think that this was somehow desperately going to compromise your enjoyment and I have to say I was not compromise and it wasn't Bride and Prejudice as I recognise that the story seems to have some element is left for the smelling salts.

The cheapness was not a problem now.

I do I do think lockdown has a lot to do with him because back in the day.

You know when everybody was locked up and everybody was having to make up the production side of things story came to the fore we were reminded that ultimately story is all words.

Hopefully still have some.

But it doesn't really matter something looks a bit cheaper and that's obviously the great selling a pill and in this era where the walls are just closing in on TV drama production in every witch way because of advertising with the commercial broadcasters with licence fee constraints with the streamers closing their doors and not really been that interested in buying particularly for international perhaps.

This is the way forward it.

So is it can be a lovely siloed offering and it's interesting that these are platforms.

They're not pretending to be broadcast as they're not interested in selling their stuff to broadcasters.

What met yet end up happening is that they are the people in a position to sell the things they met yet turn up in me 9 p.m.

Flagship slot on a linear broadcaster, but people getting work good at people being creative.

It's very democratising and of course if you speak to the purest.

That's a bad thing anyway one thing to have people.

Looking at the Guardian about it and I didn't do my homework, but I did think we should be interesting.

I think I think it comes to speak to this changing user behaviour that were just talking about 1 people really tired.

I'm sure and they're using the phone is more that it was going to talk about this later, and it seems move it's like a natural extension of that people can I really comfortable with that for Matt now and bite sized chunks that you know it suits the needs of someone's coming in a way that they belong formation of it doesn't it is funny though isn't it because 4 years the TV's The Shape it is because that is meant to emulate are watching the world experience and the reason why I meant to go from left to right this because that's how are eyes naturally go and now because phones so much more convenient to be held my hands suddenly all the content is now vertical it just seems to

Wedding dog cart before the horse and will end up just thought of being used to that as the way of looking at the world.

I don't even talk about them going vertical video first and then that's a big big thing that they're gonna push towards phones rule 50p absolutely real.

I mean I think 70% of our audiences mobile and there's a lot higher than the male that 7280 watching on their phones.

Get interest reading how interesting not me laptop in the morning with my coffee does it make sense for the your colleagues who is making the stuff because obviously they got a message to cope with that but also doing video.

Is it all you all vertical first or make it work in all formats.

Yeah, I can't speak with huge amounts of authority in this is obviously got a huge focus on tiktok so all those like 33 million followers.

Tiktok, so we're very much kind of think of that that is a it's it's an environment that we feel comfortable in that means we've got an audience there and it's really interesting actually reading the song TiK ToK 44r contact number for why I cannot believe this is the Daily Mail they're like they're so surprised that it's of Legacy public perceptions of talking to your colleague Jamie's to who runs that the podcast inside and he was saying he took her I consume in America about what the male is a consumer in the EU thinks it's because of the Legacy and I think if you look at the website can pretty sure it's quite different page on Pages is a shop.

It's a hugely important part of our identity in and who we are and you know the kind of brand part of the Daily Mail is one of our greatest strengths and we'll bring your

People come to us all the time from Ugly more than any other publisher is that branded and aspect that counts for a huge amount of our traffic is very different I book with still see that same that seems sort of split in the US even though the identity is a little bit different and it were known for their isn't quite the same as tool for hear more UK content creators production companies getting going to go and buy forest and some of those platforms and commissioning evolve or die in the New York Times damning long piece about how the generation of creatives falling off a cliff because the technology is closing you because people are prepared to pay for content and I think that people will soon as the vertical drama as a phrase I didn't know that industry has apparently mushroom has doubled in size.

Just in the last year alone so people are clearly.

Taking the tech and then saying right, what can we do with it? So it's a combination isn't it? I mean it's darwinian of the best people will rise to the top as they always have whatever the metier is interesting to hear you talking about the homepage being the brand because of course 20 years ago the newspaper front was the brand of the website with the disruptor and now TiK ToK is that disrupt so things change and new people come along and and find gold in those Hills break a deadline for this week on internal BBC meeting that turned rather rebellious Caroline this with southern AMA with BBC chief Tim Davie and help news Deborah Turness bit of turmoil because of a documentary I mean it's been all at the BBC since the the Hamas attacks back in 23 because I mean I told us and try to but it does sort of reminds me.

I hope you understand the context.

I'm just describe Mrs and then.

I'm not in any way comparing football with what's going on in the Middle East but they used to say that every single person can planes that their team isn't being given enough coverage in the Match of the Day line-up and it's kind of sin cos they get complaints equal and opposite from both sides that they are either playing too much to sort of Israeli PR and then somebody will say but what about the the disastrous decision? Where are the documentary got made that turned out to be the son of Hamas ministers, so I guess it's like one of those things if they are equally antagonising people.

They are doing something right.

How tensions are ready home now having these internal meetings that are being leaked some people are profoundly upset by what they are seeing in the coverage of their own broadcaster.

We should course above any other brought in the world impartiality.

Is there USB is there superpower so they cannot be seen to compromise on it, but I'm sure that every decision I mean now.

They're upset because the second documentary.

He has been.

Doctors on the BBC talk about the fact it was possible to make it said obviously they had a response to previous like this BBC say that with they publish number documentaries about this, but it is intractable problem, but it's a worry isn't it when the BBC will no longer if in doubt don't broadcast that's the position that they've got themselves in and I don't think there any easy answers and it obviously doesn't help when people are leaking internal meetings.

I mean Tim TV Deborah Turness must be thinking with enough problems with or without wood facing Optics and then to have these sort of rebellions inside the corridors, isn't it? It's the last thing I need the questions.

They were the one thing I have always done incredibly well is that one department will hold another?

Adam Fleming who hosts then used cars he was given the microphone and he made a great.

I don't think it's a show I think he's a very good journalist and it was important to him there any questions that were Risen to the top got posed to the executives.

So yes, I mean that's one thing that they have always got right, but it does make for slightly strange observing from the outside for sure I got a lot of coverage from the area from Independent journalists as Israel stop surgeles entering data that we see in Iran lyse doucet reports mehran on condition.

It's not lost on BBC Persia is part of pile of this issue.

Sort of a vacuum of information and eyewitnesses of course I mean it's a battle for for propaganda.

Isn't it to get the the messages out to the international political community so all of those them in their soft currencies.

Just makes you not take our democracy and R3 price for granted in this country.

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I apologise for his podcasts from YouTube pudding or B video series behind a paywall a reason why press-gazette says it's partly the ad rate the cpm-200 and compared to the audio version of the body got 400 people signing up at the Washington Post is to roll out a new feature from source will give any sources mentioned in an article the right to reply once the stories been published they hope that the sort of quality commentary will keep the stories alive deeply read for longer and ITV daytime schedule is moving from White City to the hospital club well as was which bi-curious coincidence is exactly where this show was recorded.

Anyone from ITV Studios is watching we lost the lightning cable their back in 2017 if you can find it do that produces no remember linkstor last there is available on our free to subscribe to just go to the media club.com that's the media club.com Caroline getting your sources having a right to reply at the bottom of your articles remarkable admirable.

I do remember working for newspaper in Australia and the thing has gone to print was on people's kitchen tables and Furious phones.

Can you change it? Can you change it? No, but now clearly if people feel strongly enough.

I mean I don't know how you referee it.

What's the difference between a reported completely impartial factually accurate story and a bunch of opinion.

I'm a columnist.

If I meant to provide things that people disagree.

I don't think I invite necessarily comment and discussion and editorial tweaks, but that's to see how it goes in America so it's different take some time on writing up of articles and more co traditional fact-checking until separate departments that do it with a history of doing here, but it wasn't talking about basically they want to wrestle conversation off of Komedia and back to the website is good idea.

I think it's a great idea.

I'd love that.

I think it's something that we are all trying to do you know we we all want.

I want all of the Guardians is on the platform was also really want people to come back to a website where we can make you know we can monetize them in a way that we can't really do off platforms.

I think I think the I think the idea is fantastic.

I think the Caroline's point that the the amount of work that's going to have to go into fat checking those responses.

Making sure that that's that's a huge undertaking especially I imagine for the types of sources are going to be quoted in the Washington whether you're going to have an agenda and I could have an opinion and if the article in question maybe isn't in line with that.

They are definitely going to want to come back on explain this the journalist will send a link to all of the participants recruited.

They do you log on and do it and then the journalist can reply to the reply so you can't argue argument which is great for climate content potentially getting a horse of follow-on stories from the original story so you get you know much more kind of

Well-rounded I suppose like Ballinasloe multiple viewpoints type of content that you wouldn't get otherwise so I can I can see if everything works as it should do it through the innovative idea.

I be worried about the back and Elon Musk must be moving to the club with you at home.

What's the number of people going to work on ITV daytime for next year, but obviously was such a big back and change.

There's this really got to be some I mean they the good news.

Is that the money that they are hoping to save is going to go into finding another great post office state of the nation politics changing drama that stops us all in our tracks and Unites us all as one and woke up is obviously coming along as well.

Play me some football cash the bad news is that the schedule which perhaps not anybody in this room but certainly people stuck at home elderly people carers people for reasons beyond their control need constant companionship of daytime presenters and a big USP big part of that brand is the consistency so it's over to say don't worry you won't see any changes of course if you're used to sing loose women on every day here and sudden.

It's only on a third of that time and they're already talking about changing the lineup.

So it will be a more youthful variety of people then that's going to have an impact and I just I think it's I mean yes things.

Do you have to change nobody gets a sort of 10 years presenter slot or even crew slot anymore, but I think it's a sign that things will be shaking up beyond recognition very quickly in the next couple of years and this shift to the hospital club is just one aspect of that you think there's opportunities for a creative change as well.

Duvets duvets need very used to it.

I mean we had daytime telly now for the century and I don't know about you, but I can just about remember when it was just ceefax pages and across people had to compete to put TV on and then there was the great explosion and now it's ok Sis just feel the slots so perhaps.

There's a quality control pads will go back the other way, but I can't see it happening with everything we've talked about with technology making everything so much cheaper.

I think it's more likely to become even more wild west the linear channels have got existential challenges for sure and to see that.

They're pulling in their trying to sort learn from the social media Giants out there instead of pulling in what they can so perhaps the day will come when we see some pub quiz on YouTube suddenly popping up on ITV morning.

What's that may be the only constant is change it to worry we know this is interesting that the SEO role was quite modern roll years ago, but I'm sure it's been quite a bit evolution over last 10 years I suppose when I started and I think it was around 2007 and it was it was really new and really exciting and you could was it was never easy, but we could really affect change that you really make a difference in a way that is is so much harder now.

I remember editors would say to me like all this is a really important story we need to be ranking in Google for this.

I would be able to do it through some really basic things it was all kind of basic stuff which everybody through the head of the park.

Yes and no that is that's a new one and possible and that's

Play a good thing like it probably shouldn't be that easy and you know it and if anything is easy people to skip it and abuse it and take advantage of it and that's what you how much is everybody knows sort of the main things to do.

How much is it Google changing the rules as we go along with Google that one thing that works and exploit it shuts it down and then you move on to the next thing.

It's been a bit like that with this you think it's the what Google is prioritising it algorithm has completely changed.

It's not just about have you got the right words in your head line.

It's much more about is this a really good user experience for the person coming to that website you know I don't like the performance of the on a mobile phone with Paige x x

Good but comes with problems it comes with you.

This is Google sort of dictating like what we do as creator is in a way that sometimes I feel a bit like that like always you are not known for this thing there for you cannot have traffic for this subject.

You know it very much feel sometimes that publishes have been told to stay in their Lane on what they are record for as publishers which is sorer fine if your niece publisher but if you're something like the Daily Mail but we cover everything and that makes it it can make it quite hard.

I think to want to try something else to kind of work within the confines of of of Google's rules in a way that you shouldn't have to be dictated, but because of exactly what you're saying write the beginning.

It's not something we can ignore.

It's a really important traffic and everything as far as you said that your brand is so strong to those.

Google those entrances than other publishers perhaps, it's quite nice that niche specialists in particular areas are getting the real estate of the Google Search that they would never otherwise get the Daily Mail need to compete with those people know I think I think you're absolutely right and I think I think the to the first point about the brands absolutely were in such a fortunate position if we are 50% of all traffic is Direct or over 50% of our brand of art of a search traffic is branded as people actually Googling the Daily Mail because he want to come because we recognise that we have people who love them.

I really loved it and he wants to visit that is fantastic.

I Think We're Alone Now agree with you absolutely they can experts in their field excuse be getting that recognition.

I think we're it's weird becomes a little bit more problematic.

It's where it's things we have.

Teasing and we want to be able to do more of them that may be for example these two freelancer is something that's been a real that's been a bit of a challenge recently because Google is sorted if unless you are known for using freelancers if you want to get into something a bit different you want to try new content category and you shouldn't use freelancers boiling Looking For by lines of journalists and if you want to try to kind of target some new Nissan new vertical you maybe do want to start with real answer is before you commit to all of the kind of admin and HR BuzzFeed times and it's very much every news organisation has a big plasma screen up that says hear of the things that people searching for at the moment.

This is what we should jump.

And write stories is that still a big part of what you're doing is actually that less important now.

What's what's the advice to The Newsroom knowing what hope people are coming to the website is really important and really valuable butter absolute priority as a Royal engaged users and growing subscription, so we're not 300 subscribers in total this is the I think like a lot of publishers.

We were broken.

I hope everything to be subscription models and and really catering to that audience.

Can I fight 40? What is it that makes us unique and becomes the Daily Mail for that will be a nightmare columnists it might be the crosswords a Katie it's the royals is a huge panel driver of of loyalty.

You people will be there a content so I think that is the priority over maybe those kind of one-and-done fly by visits that come from something like Google discover which is that can a person I said that you.

Phone if you use Chrome app on your phone and get the speaker stories and candy Kwik-Fit Katie and it's very addictive I think for publishers and it feels like again that it's actually no I think for the first time ever last year discover became bigger referral than traditional search for news publishers.

She's a huge shift, but it's such a volatile the traffic is a really uncomfortable place2be.

I think we are very lucky is a brand that we don't realise that no way that a lot of publishers that 70% of a traffic comes from this completely understandable referral source pops up in my discover feeding well done for them again in there, but it is on the moors station list end of things because of you you will not believe this thing that fairly straightforward a lot of that.

I think that content isn't we're going to get subscribers.

No, somebody is not going to click on you know there is being 50 major major retailer closes 56 stores isn't going to get people subscribing to our content, so is it that important? What is a probably know? Where is Peter Hitchens can of the exclusive piece of content that nobody else can write a I can't replicate it.

That's much more valuable to it's lucky that we haven't forgot he wants to invest in that and can I see the value of it, so I think that's alright, so that's absolutely most important thing.

There's some sort of competitive news organisations together on projects or or doing things to to generate more homegrown traffic.

I hope your idea of a bit like a homegrown Google is probably not really the right ones are the same thing is here in the UK can do together to support content discovery, so I'm not sure about content Discovery but we already collaborating and much more.

Never happen more like for example, but I think we actually we share the printing presses with the Telegraph like that when it happens when your 10 years ago.

I'm just speaking from my own perspective.

I think I talk to other by counterparts Ireland publishers as it regularly now.

It's like I do to my own team like it's very collaborative.

It feels like there's a lot support within the industry because the changes have been looking so pretty things out with the algorithms have changed so much that we feel less like competitors.

I think they were course we are still Confessor is but we'll all facing the same challenges with try and actually Shearing origin Shearing what we're seeing it feels completely natural and it's it is one of the things that I enjoy most it's like meeting other publishers and just discovered traffic.

Just enough time for the audio Network Media quiz, let's see how much tension are getting pain to the media news this week.

It's called a record breakers three stories of people pushing the envelope going for Gold another sporting cliches inserted here.

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You know the answer to Caroline you will say I'll say Caroline excellent and Carly you will say Kylie let's play a record breakers, which nimble device has this year overtaken television to be the most time spent on Ice Caroline

TV 316 minutes according to the IPA TV still in the evening about mobiles becoming an all-day device is it mobiles gonna eat away at the evening as well? Yeah? I've already seen that people double screening and I just love the charts in the story where you can see people they turning on the telly using in the evening but if you never come off the when are you working then I think that was it was it made me laugh a lot.

Yeah.

I think I think so I can see it with my kids already completely comfortable watching in a way that I would find afternoon infuriating so definitely think there's a generational shift there a number to the league tables radio history.

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It was his yes, the first teacher is not a man in the 20s, but Gertrude Donisthorpe broadcasting from Worcester in 1917 at they are on Earth and you live broadcast she doesn't sound entirely downstairs maid service to people still love a factoid vinyl record breaker award-winning news innovator Sophia Smith galer has hit the the net again as she unveiled a new project aimed at saving journalist hours of time for this.

An app called sofianna talk Instagram YouTube ready script basically turning into contact with less effort something I could do well.

I think so this is definitely not my area at all, but yeah, I I think not everybody is an actual content creator and I think there are you know you can see it if you scroll through tiktok like that.

There is a wee or there is there's a formula and I think taking that instead of expecting journalist who have probably think that looked I'm writing articles into also becoming a content creator is it doing some of that work for them feels like it might you know it might save some time but also maybe taking little bit of the creativity out of it.

What is say I want a tiktok of this? I want a real convert it to the ideas going to come up with an algorithmic ready version of the show for next time that's that's your price of music build your own licence for multiple platforms anywhere forever at audionetwork.com frequence Charlie I am a terribly an active member of LinkedIn and I am on blue sky but I think I've posted twice Caroline mine 420 moment.

I'm still on the artist but I am enjoying coming very late to the Instagram party.

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The minnesotan dentist has it really been 10 years on Thursday the day David Bowie killed off his most famous alter ego and on Friday the boxing.

Race riots across the USA this and more on today in history with the retrospective 10-minutes each week day wherever you get your podcasts.