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BBC sounds music Radio podcasts is yesterday's news seamlessly one of its host Nick Robinson has vanished and it's morphed into something completely different radical with amol Rajan I'm going to try and find out why from the man in charge and see if there's any clues as to what is happening next in the world of BBC News podcasts feedbacks inbox has been awash with comments from not listeners viewers this week after the BBC stream.

The controversial set from punctual Bob Dylan live on iPlayer coverage of Glastonbury last Saturday the lead singer of band ladder cried in an anti Israeli Defence Force chant well Bob Dylan and the Irish rap group kneecap are not being investigated by Avon and Somerset police for it's part.

Acknowledged on Monday that the performers chance where actually unacceptable and expressed regret that the Livestream wasn't cold during the performance Jean-Luc and spoke for any of you who felt that the radio coverage of the BBC's own use was pushing other issues Diner gender while listening to season Media executive she will have a sense of the is going on inside the corporation today and no doubt yesterday.

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This is Jim Buchanan from Sheffield I've noticed before but it's technically annoyed me this week, but even use item effects of becomes a headline national and international importance such as around and Gaza happened on Radio 4 on Sunday morning with coverage of Bob Dylan's and educates, Glastonbury which is a course covered by the BBC really how important is that compared to else is happening in the world.

Yes, it may be married being a news item but not main headlines.

From sun also had this to say the BBC flagellating itself again 2 days after the event still giving the minor story oxygen get over yourself.

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It is at BBC R4 feedback responded to your comments about the new series WhatsApp docks in which twin doctors Chris and xand van tulleken discuss health concern with a specialist hijack.

This episode of WhatsApp Docks to come of doughnuts sold my I mean I should have do but I won't Chris I want to put all this to China because I haven't still like he is here.

So should we bring them in put these questions to put you on the table? What many of you were irritated by the brothers banter which takes up a chunk at the top of each program to listening to feedback last week Nigel Callaway thinks he's finding since listening to this show and seeing cats are the shows including point of view recent left Friday evenings and Sunday morning breath.

I think the best thing to do with one of the twins.

It should have the shows budget which can be given to something more substantial remind Wayne can just talk thanks Nigel of course.

They had to be people like that with positive things to say about the new program and this week.

They've made of feelings.

My name is Nicola Davies and I'll

I was surprised to hear last week the rather unkind and personal criticism of doctors sand and Chris and their program WhatsApp docks what does a doing is getting listeners real and rigorous Medical Science and they didn't even a really accessible way to the science communicator for 30 + years.

I know that is to do the banter between the twins is a valuable part of the program.

It sets the medical message in an emotional and social context.

I think it's just something which is to offer men who may find expressing emotions Tricky and alternative emotionally literate way of being an ass.

I have a degree in psychology and I'm 67 and I don't feel that these programs are not for me quite the reverse the interesting highly enjoyable and I want to.

Lots more what I had that Rhian Roberts in the feedback.

Hot seat last week.

I wanted to ask her a bit more about the general podcast Landscape it can feel a bit like what is a podcast these days affect not missed by Radio 4 Dead ringers freaking me out.

I have a guess I mate it doesn't have any podcast on podcast about it.

X x I'll call Rianna that dead ringers clip is funny because it rings true doesn't are you in and dated with people offering you podcast is good to say a lot of a lot of people do get in touch and and suggest various podcasts and I'm very pleased to hear from them.

You know people send suggestions in and every suggestion that comes in and you take a view on whether it's the sort of thing that listens would like to go from there.

I think it is easy for people who work in this business to assume that everybody is.

Podcasting but it feedback we do get plenty of comments from listeners.

You would just like to understand more about BBC signs.

So can you just explain would you describe it as a catch up with listeners can hear programs they've missed and the podcast platform or is that distinction no longer relevant? I think the handiest way for listening to think about it is we have the IP for our video content where you can hear a really broad range of programs and shows and you can also have your live TV through iPad and the equivalent for audio.

You know you can really like music on there.

All your life programs all the on-demand shows all the podcasts all in one place so to have a one-stop shop for audio in the same way we have a one-stop-shop for TV is a brilliant offer some of our customers are confused about whether all programs on Radio 4.

Podcast if you listen to them on BBC signs, would you make a distinction? I would frame the question in a slightly different way which is have you heard something that you really loved have you had something that was really useful great you can find it again on BBC sounds if you heard on the radio from Justin Walker the BBC seems to think it's young Lessons by Tony every Radio 4 programme in a podcast with people have a chat and a laugh while discussing any topic.

I don't this lighthearted approaching some programs, but it is used in far too many that's kind of time and using the presenters rather than forming a listener.

Thank you.

Just I think you're doing a lot of listening which we really appreciate.

I think I think it's a bit of a general view of what we do.

I like to think that you know we commission programs in various different tones and Styles and approaches.

And if you like your content delivered in a certain way, there are programs that will absolutely suit you perhaps you're going to make a decision to listen to In Our Time rather than your dead to me, but they still both millions history programmes with fantastic research that underpins and both you can have your content your topics pretty much delivered how you want them and I think that's what radio 4 has to do is to please as many with as many different approaches to content as we can another question that listeners have written in with his why are some Radio 4 programmes on air called podcast and some gold radio programmes to give an indication of where you can find a show easily perhaps you know the word podcast signals very quickly that it's available on a podcast feed on BBC sounds.

Maybe it's a new show that's been commissioned in this you know different and ever-growing Environment I don't hear the distinction.

I just I'm just thinking is this a good program and you can.

Most programs on on sounds if you had them on Radio 4 hello and welcome to when he hits the fan BBC Radio 4 podcast about PR4 powerful and the persuadable with me Simon Lewis and David yelland from Dorset why has hits the fan being cut back to just 15 minutes from a 30-minute slot and you're told BBC sounds to listen to the full version why can't we hear the whole program without having to find and switch on an iPad or is the BBC only offering taste? I love this program the two presenters are knowledgeable and I always look forward to a very interesting listen.

I was just made the new series have been chopped in half with only 15 minutes This Is Not Enough is this permanent from your Jane Claire Barlow from Enfield

Hampshire more changes to schedule lean and programs, why is this most interesting and enjoyable programme changed to Wednesday and even worse reduced to 15 minutes well, that's in the hands of the controller of radio for he makes a plan for what needs to go where and why and I follow along and when it hits the fan and media show going out with in the same Hour on Radio 4 the intention was to create a specific hour in the week, but because we know when it hits the fan is so popular as a podcast we've left the longer on BBC sounds for people to find an enjoy another issues music On podcast programme makers are very aware of the issue of using original music and listeners who listen to for example Desert Island Discs on the signs of

Will be aware that the music is a shorter the same thing happens with woman's hour for example where they won the music can't be used to fix to copyright issues.

Oh, yes, well.

You know I said I would love to have loads more brilliant music in our podcast but we have to be respectful of copyright rules or will find ourselves in a lot of trouble so it's almost always dictated by titles as you'd expect around copyright.

So you know I wish I could change the Norbert sadly.

I can't last year we talked to Elizabeth Hilton he was in her life and her grandson.

Jack he was in his 20s and we talked about how they listen to the various programs Jack does always listening on Spotify but he does get BBC podcast there and Elizabeth listen to BBC Radio 4 a lot and also signs but you didn't make the point that older people need to be taught how to use BBC signs and we got a lot of.

Saying there is a constant push on Radio 4 to subscribe to BBC signs and listen to things on BBC signs and other people just don't know how to do that.

Do you feel a can of responsibility that you telling a Radio 4 audience how to use BBC signs particularly when there is so much crossover these days.

It's mostly because you know that's how we are able to stay in touch with you and you know about new episodes of the programs that you really like at the coming along and the other and the other reason that you were here is talking a lot about content on the radio and on our podcast is because word-of-mouth is the most likely way that listens will find out about New Show so it's important that we do do that.

Richard Powell near Gatwick I'm just listening to your program about listening to Radio 4.

I've been listening since I was 22 and I know 70 and I tell people that I've been to the University of Radio 4 for the last 50 years.

I've no idea what I would do with Radio 4 came to an end.

Podcasts, but when you listen to it.

Lie, you come across programs, you might not have chosen from Jack in the discussion.

We had was it that could be a BBC random selector button BBC signs underneath the platforms to throw up a surprise the way that you discover new programs when you're listening to radio One's that you might never have listened to if you actually on BBC signs and I wonder if you think there's any possibility that you could do that.

I will definitely pass on the idea of a randomizer to the people who run BBC sounds actually Jack that's the radio for the serendipity that you're talking about Rhian Roberts commissioner of podcast and formats BBC thank you so much for joining us on and it was a real and some of the BBC's best known podcasts on use based and come from the stables of Radio 4 Today programme.

When the flagship there today podcast with Nick Robinson and amol Rajan was a broccoli brought to a close after just 20 months on this is the last episode of the Day podcast ever so patient and I'll listen is in the first find out you're not like Doctor Who though.

This is not deaf.

It is a moment of regeneration.

How much can you podcast and it's called radical radical with a mole Rajan it's an ideas podcast it's going to go inside the site guys.

It's basically a podcast about tomorrow from today.

How's that? This is Mark Patterson from Huddersfield Yorkshire I want to express my deep disappointment with the today podcast just finished what I support the idea behind a moles radical and will occasionally listen to it as I do Nick's political thinking neither of these.

The today podcast did I found the chance to get an in-depth look at something in the news and sloped guests I found all that invaluable.

I will miss it.

Immensely and believe it's a mistake to end.

It will underlay to say that I'm doing nice somebody who is senior news editor at the BBC and indeed in charge of many of your favourite news podcast including the today podcast which is no more.

It's not the first attempt at the BBC's had today podcast beyond today was cancelled in 2020 and then there today podcast with lunch with considerable fanfare in2023.

Well.

I mean we explain what happened on the podcast and actually know we were we really want to do that.

We wanted to let the listeners know on the today podcast about the factory reading and why we were.

Nick Robinson in Almoradi actually talk listening to it.

I'm just too busy.

It is about the two of them.

I think part of it is about audiences.

It's about the market and it does feel a bit like a natural evolution to us because we got to appoint now where we got three clear offerings from today, so we got little thinking with Nick Robinson got radical with a mirage and we got the best of today three podcast with really clear USPS with a clairaudient need with clear demand and you know you people have been disappointed with the table cost of course because people loved it was described in the press release when it started as at the heart of the BBC strategy to grow BBC signs and increased digital listening did achieve that so the today podcast was a success that today podcast had a big audience and

The audience I mean the BBC doesn't doesn't divulge individual podcast it's a conversation that I would love to have broadcast industry metrics.

I think we should I think we should talk about how we can be more open with it something that you know they actually will come out and say you know we've got I think they said there's $700,000 per episode of the rest of politics or whatever and I wonder BBC should be more transparent surely than a commercial organisation BBC does published quarterly data around sounds listening figures and I think you know one kind of I don't know how technical want to go and see but what kind of interesting thing in.

What does the word downloads because actually one of the challenges around all the internet tricks for podcasts are the difference between downloads and listens and streams and they're all over.

Different things and people can have dinner in different ways, but I'm in the BBC is open with some of this sounds data and publishers in a court or not.

You're not going to tell me how many people listens to the Day podcast Catherine pain.

I've never sent feedback in years of listening to shouting out and laughing with Radio 4 today is a first the new programme radical by amol Rajan uses a natural ability to discuss challenging important issues with an ease that makes the issues accessible and real to provoke action.

Thank you and him and Laura Bates this is great radio and so important not I need to speak to her.

I'm alright John's new podcast didn't just take the today podcast music.

It's also the same feed on BBC signs, so if you subscribe to the today podcast.

Unite automatically subscribed to radical with Mr Rajan the guess so far.

I've been very well known to Radio 4 historian Ferguson is prolific in his right podcast Laura Bates another very well-known public figure is Steve Chalke whose founder of Oasis charitable trust.

I mean I just wondered why the name radical is the first three people are extremely well known.

I would suggest to Radio 4 audiences the facts This podcast is we try our conversations about what's happening tomorrow to listeners to take hold of things and and win the future some people maybe more radical than others some people you may completely disagree with some people will be incredibly radical the podcast like all good password develop you mentioned when the future I'm alright and I think it's mentioned every in every podcast listen to This podcast and you can win the future, what does that mean?

I think we're trying to identify problems and identify Solutions and I guess implicit within the Solutions that were looking for yet is a kind of like let's take these Solutions and let's run demand Leadbetter exciting brilliant lives in conversations about tomorrow from today and did you like that do you like that? I do quite like that.

I do I did feel it's just a slight Joe Rogan feel about that what I love about podcasting and I will I love about podcast audience is how connected they feel to the pop get made and people have views on the people that we speak to you in the types of topics that we that we talked about and what is that direction of travel to look at the kind of male world in Christ does men and boys that seems to be the direction of the first podcast over the course of an of the of the upcoming episodes will have arranged topic.

Hi, I'm going to Stroud from Cardiff now that I'm all.

Radical podcast and Nick's focusing on political thinking what we crying out for is an all-female continuation of the today podcast - the music has taken with him actually.

I don't blame him for doing that much as I love best Harriet and Rose on electro dysfunction.

There's a dearth of political analysis from an old female and Emma and Anna working together on the today podcast would be a breath of fresh air and go somewhere to redressing this balance the time.

I know that there are some great.

We're podcasting at the BBC Sarah Smith and Laura kuenssberg among others contribute to podcasts, but I think you know and all women podcast as they're going to stride suggests.

I think you'll agree that it's a male.

Heavy genre is he say there are lots of incredibly brilliant women around the BBC making podcasts, but yeah, I mean it's this is some.

Considering considering at the BBC we might see one of the future from the look on your face there's plan there's always always conversations and the podcast market is growing still well.

I'd love to say that you heard it here first didn't quite hear it to you but from the look on your face.

There's something going on the back and tell us when you can tell if I'd love to come back and tell you when I can tell you.

I just wanted to say how grateful I am for the americast podcast having do colleges in California and Massachusetts I consequently have many friends across the US where are the depressed or related about trump 2.0 error and you offer some sanity what feels like mad world of Us Politics Today you going to be the best dinner party gas and that's how This podcast feels great work.

So there is Behind the Scenes bringing this team together.

Keep it going hello my name is Jacqueline Lewis and I live on Wirral I'm a huge fan of America cast the presenters are and I really enjoy the analysis of the latest events in the US Sarah Smith is my current hero so I want to do when idle chat about respective dogs took remaining precious minutes of one of broadcast I like dogs, but please America don't descend to chit chat dog based or otherwise some will get a lot of Praise for americast and the percentage of the Leinster actually listening in America or are American rather than the UK are you? Are you to listen to Hungry Horse near to have it elsewhere I mean.

Audiences in the UK and obviously the rate for audiences majority in the UK but yeah, we have lessons in the States and we have listened as all around the world the BBC is the subscription model in the stay.

I'm not going to discuss that with you, but I just wonder are you aware that actually an American audience might turn out to be a lucrative audience and therefore one that you should you should engage wear them out in America cost clearly in the UK BBC sounds is kind of like key distribution platform for us a lot of listening happens elsewhere on Spotify and some of that is outside outside of the UK I think actually the kind of the really interesting stuff around distribution for me at the moment is around visualisation.

You know increasing numbers increasing percentages of our audience are watching podcasts including Miracast Americans get to visualise 12-week goes up on YouTube goes up on the BBC news channel and people watch it a lot of people.

Significant part of our audience at the moment you have a worried about too much banter or indeed dog talk on Miracast this is a bit that I really enjoyed talking about because like we take the news so it'll be seriously we really really do we take the news just as seriously as anyone else around the BBC but we don't take yourself seriously and we never well.

I know we discussed this before but we do still get listeners comments about what they feel is a change of tone for news programming perhaps brought on by news podcast my name is Jakey oh and I'm based in South East London I'm along to the Today programme but recently I found a style of presentation becoming more and more informal and to my mind and professional I'm quite happy my star in your excellent podcasts newscast American artist and the late lamented today podcast but now this seems to slip over into the today.

Are we really interested in presenters sleep patterns or personal views on the topic being discussed.

I think the last time you called the and use classification of radio evolution and Joe's going to have to get used to it.

I mean I've said develop my thoughts on this little bit since we spoke about it last time is he think it's quite to way it goes in both directions, so I think they like I think podcast are influencing radio, but I think also radio is actually influencing podcast and I think will I think you know if you can't get through to many news podcasts by the at the BBC or outside of the BBC before they reference the news podcast clearly being influenced by what is happening in traditional news as much as podcasts influencing those those those areas along and I feel like this all soon was she.

Content and a promise that's an option since we last newscast is on 5 Live is on the news channel.

It's on BBC One on the Thursday night America on Radio 4 on the world service on Radio 5 yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm on a Monday at 3 with actually Radicals on Radio 4 Nick Robinson political thinking is on BBC2 like play there is a lot of what we call it.

Just not movement and I'm content being in different places.

So thank you very much indeed for coming onto food can keep having me and the team here.

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