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Music Radio podcasts and Katie razzall hello, this is the media show from BBC Radio 4 this week, we'll look at the india-pakistan conflict and the role the media played in pushing disinformation to Peter bazalgette the former chair of ITV has a warning about the future of public service broadcasters the mushroom Murder Trial in Australia has become a global story will talk to a journalist.

The media frenzy about the future of weather broadcasting with the YouTube Star Max velocity and ITV weather presenters meteorologists Laura Tobin first of all well fans politics live don't need to be told that that is the programme theme tune has presented the show through a tumultuous period the Scottish and brexit referendum the brexit process if you get a glass of water and also the brexit process the pandemic and of course lots of General Election so have you managed to keep count of how many general elections be exhausting do expect you to feel sorry for me and anyway.

No, it's been incredible.

It was interesting just hearing the music there may be thinking mediately are we on again live on politics live but now I'm delighted to be here on the media show.

Very much for coming.

I must ask the question lot of people are wondering who should people you watch the program.

Why are you stepping away? Well? It wasn't a big bang moment.

Let's put it like that.

I have about it for some time and by that I mean really after the election the general election last year it seem to be a sort of punctuation mark you mentioned the tumult of 10 years or so probably from 2014 right up until that General Election and I suddenly thought maybe now is the time to think about what's next quit while I'm ahead well.

I'm still enjoying what is a brilliant programme to present while you definitely still a head and I always think that one of the two best times to ask big-name politicians name guess to come and speak to us is either when you're starting a program or when you're leaving a program.

So have you been calling around same like I've only got a few shows left here.

Who's who's been picking up the phone.

Well, am I allowed?

Say that they have been in touch with us.

Just say can we be on your last program and I feel like saying always try to get you on 4-months now now you say yes to coming onto the just as I'm departing maybe I should do it more often.

Are you going to are you going to tell us the way to say? I'll tell you who James cleverly for the Conservatives will come on the last day with Peter Kyle a cabinet minister of science and technology and I hope you have a bit of fun because it just depends slightly what's happening on the day going to say was we talking more about what you've observed someone right in the middle of the Westminster Media experience but for a few minutes on the media.

Show we're going to turn away from that and turn to something which is not completely disconnected to the Future of Public Service Broadcasting so we're talking about CITV Channel 4 and 5 and we're talking about this not least because the BBC director-general Tim Davie is giving a major speech this morning.

You can see a write-up of it on the BBC News website.

And there are major questions about the BBC future and the future of Public Service Broadcasting now Katie have you regrouped? I hope so good again, but we'll see well.

I was going to say one of the reasons that we're turning.

This is that you been working for a few days.

I know if not long gone a long articles on the BBC website at the moment about public service broadcasters, so I spoke to a lot of TV and ciders about the future of the industry we discussed of I would discuss a lot of time on the measured before the challenges for public service broadcasters, but they really well down to how can they compete now and into the future with the big us streamers the likes of Netflix Disney Plus apple and also the video sharing platforms YouTube and tiktok so clearly there are real arguments for public service Media not least it's fully regulated.

It's free to air but also its ore from the foundation on which shows like Netflix is highly praised Adolescents drama have been built all.

Behind that got their teeth in public service TV it's the thing that Chris find voices Natural Talent and of course aims to tell uniquely British stories, but there are some pretty dramatic claims being paid in my piece for the BBC website about whether the Lights of the BBC iTV Channel 4 Channel 5 panel survive in the new world and you were telling me as you were searching this but a lot of people were happy to talk to you, but not so many people have to go on the record button, when is ready asked will know that one person who did go on the record is the Peter bazalgette and that significant former ITV channel and he was cco at the big tree company edumall behind shows including Big Brother and Ready Steady Cook and yes lots of people wouldn't go on the record although I spoke to a lot of people it is a really sensitive subject, but he was one of the big industry.

Yes, he did such a his concerns about how the British Media ecosystem is being transformed and what may be lost if a strategy isn't agreed soon and we also managed to persuade him to come on the media show 22.

Why it matters you got something enormously valuable broadcasting you know whether it's trust in reliable news which is democracy weather like all original content for us programmes like Wolf Hall on Mr Bates which are unique about our country and really help us discuss our shared values and then I'll crazy because we have this broadcast is have Commitments to things like training Talent independent commissions regional production investment in place and technology is changing and so in the age of the streamers the for public service broadcasters.

I think I have difficulty maintaining that number in in the next few years, so my overall point is that they need to co-operate and collaborate much much more and possibly I think about merging some of their services because what?

Are we facing if they don't do thing is it apocalyptic in your in your view? It's going to happen in the next 3 months but most programs are going to be distributed by streaming in the future to have a successful streaming service you need to win you buy commission very expensive hyun dramas.

Keep your subscribers.

Happy and not actually be very surprised if more than two domestic public broadcasters can prosper in 10-15 years time so that means in your view does it some of them actually merging.

Are you talking about mergers or you just talking about collaboration?

Switching is is one of the options certainly with the commercial broadcasters, which will be much stronger were they brought down to one or two other options out there back office cost by merging advertising sales house and somewhere that streaming services so that they have more power in the streaming marketplace range of possibilities what I I really think and I think the government is thinking about this by the way, but what we need and is a policy for the survival of broadcasting in all of those things as I can.

See you mentioned the government.

Do you think the onus is on the government and on the regulator Ofcom to initiate the types of collaborations or even though you're suggesting or do you think that the public service broadcasters themselves are capable or inclined to initiate those kind of ideas themselves.

The Ofcom is going to bring out a report on Public Service Broadcasting this summer which is there attempt to define the territory and look at them dangerous going for and I think I have some interesting ideas some details.

We're gonna suggest that on YouTube for instance.

It has broadcast content should be given prominence in the same way they brought in a law saying it should be given prominence on other platforms.

So it is that's what comes doing you need a framework, but you need those companies willing to or mandated to co-operate and that never really wanted to they're all a bit too independent didn't really clever it very effectively and then lastly you need proactively other regulators.

Such as the competition authority in advance that we would look kindly on mergers because at the moment for instance in the commercial television market is defined by TV advertising which ITV and about 40% Cheryl

TV with Google and Facebook video advertising so you could Redefined the market but I noticed you use the word mandate and are open to the possibility that a mandate of sorts maybe necessary.

Do you can you imagine us in a few years time where the public service broadcasters have not shifted far enough in your view towards collaboration or even mergers where the government and all the regulator regulator say is enough you have to do this.

I could see a situation where they are.

There was a stick as well as a character.

That is so Peter bazalgette.

We're going to hear more from him in a few minutes time, but there is providing some of the context in the broader industry and has Tim Davie guide the BBC towards negotiations over it's next funding settlement as you can hear a lot.

Play in the BBC would argue not just for the broadcasters, but also for British society.

He's a little of the director-general speech earlier the future of our cohesive democratic Society field for the first time in my life at risk this week for issues way beyond party politics and one event but a return factors such as the online Revolution and globalisation so Katie in practical terms.

What does this speech change in terms of what people listening now might be offered by the sea in the future? It is just proposals.

It's about things like beefing up BBC verified to help make the UK and global leader and trusted information or enhancing local journalism support them ocracy suggestion that they're exploring using AI to create a learning companion for 7 to 16-year olds and I'm looking forward to seeing how that one might work, but it sounds really interesting but he's also called for a strategy to turn off.

TV show in 2035 the plan is that people won't be able to get there TV to an area or through Freeview everything will be streamed have a listen to what he said and just make everyone know because it is complicated IP as your first that means internet protocol which is essentially getting your TV via the internet for BBC complaints in innovating to ensure that the new world is inclusive and accessible to help we want to Double Down freely as a universal free service deliver live TV over broadband and we are considering a streaming media device with three capabilities built with a radically simplifies user interface specifically designed to help those yet to benefit from IP services well.

We asked Sir Peter bazalgette the former ITV hearing from a few minutes ago.

What he made of Tim Davies speech is very very important quite frequently to remind us why an institution is in.

I used to check the Arts Council when I started working there.

I found that nobody could quite remember when we put money into the heart to keep going at what the value of the public organisation is not Tim Davie the extended TV spot reminding us.

What's on at the biggest and main point was about trusted and reliable news now.

That's something both of you presenting this show and doing another job in news absolutely Partners in and in the internet world which is the world of gossip and paranoia in civil Society and democracy a trusted and reliable information today and I'm not saying it's not been made before but it needs to be today and there were various proposals that he was making the speech as part of his plans to to put the frame the BBC is integral to trying to combat mistrust and

Austin in Britain one of them just wanted to pick up on is the PCR rate in fact about how to wrestle TV as we know it in terms of coming in through your aerial and Freeview on all of that is on the way out potentially by 20:35 and he talked about that and he talked about considering the BBC considering a streaming media device with freely capabilities built in three years that site that the channel for ITV BBC and five and put their content on I just wondered what you took away from that did you did you could you see what he was suggesting whether it would might work? What did you think of it and maybe it's online next iteration of it which is really what he was talking about helps mostly all the viewers.

You're not very internet savvy get into Modern methods of receiving.

And that's possible when you can no longer do it through an aerial when you just doing on the internet, but I mean let's not kid ourselves in this market that I mean they're on the skies One Amazon is another an Amazon fire stick is massively and used and is a very good piece of text so it would help particularly for older viewers, but it's not answer my last question really is part of this.

Obviously is about making the case for the BBC ahead of charter conversations and charter renewal in the Q&A he was asked whether he thought the licence fee had a future and obviously he said he thinks it does and it needs to modernise, but he's in favour of everybody paying for the BBC he's asking for more investment.

How do you read that and do you think the government is listening?

Who were the people who try to speculate on how to find the BBC is an alternative? I mean I think again if you want me to make a prediction will probably come back with the licensee, may be graduated.

I quite like the German model actually wear companies and organisations also is there a civil Society I think that's quite a good model.

I think with your morning come to the BBC but you know how many yards to go and he was heading Spectre the speech.

She may have been a bit firmer in the Q&A but as I say you know that rather technical discussion about how you find the BBC is very important to remember.

It's lost 30% in real terms over last 10 years in the future and the future of the next have along the next Chelsea's going to be for is very very important, but you seem too many of his debates about the licence.

How to finish a prediction well that was so Peter bazalgette thanks to him for coming on the program you're asking because you're still on the front page of the BBC News website people want to find it now.

Jo Coburn still here presenter of BBC Politics live presenter of the show for a few more days was next Wednesday is the last day Joe next Thursday next Thursday ok.

It's in the diary and we wanted to speak to you for a range of reasons, but one is that presented this program through extraordinary political change in this country? I wonder if you have observed a shift in how the media approaches politicians and positions approach the media there been a multitude of changes.

I mean I arrived at Westminster in 2001 so in the middle of the Blair Brown year.

I'm all the way through of course it lasted to 2010 and one of the biggest changes is the politicians now can speak directly to constituents to the public vote.

20 years ago that just wasn't happening there was much more reliance in a more sort of obvious way on us broadcasters, they needed you they did in away and there were just been talking about the proliferation of broadcasters and programs and podcast and outlet then there were fewer choices.

If you see what I mean and well-known people were watching and listening to BBC schedule programmes as they had been for previous generation social media comes and goes with savvy and really got do it Bill top tens of thousands of followers and they spoke directly to them.

It was very sort of demotic in that in that way on the other hand they did want to come onto the media and programs.

I would say like politics live which has actually a bigger working class audience than most other BBC programmes because there was still that.

To the old added of trying to reach over the political divide try to persuade people there were many years while we've been covering politics like particularly through the years, but even before that where politicians began to talk in silos and Echo Chambers to people they already knew supported them that has eased off a little bit as the fragmentation of politics has arrived you mentioned brexit.

You'll be very familiar with the arguments of some the the media running up to the referendum and then so during the negotiation of the brexit agreement with the EU didn't sufficiently challenge some of the things that were being said he didn't as rigorously go through the issues or explain the issue is as well as it should have done and not saying everyone holds that for you, but it is a few that's out there.

What's your report? What are your affections now? We are outside the EU on how how we navigated that moment but we were.

Alan's along those lines all the way through and there is no doubt that when you cover something like a referendum when it is a binary choice.

It is completely different party politics and elections.

They are based broadly without wanting to get to technical on representation on votes on the amount of support the parties have and we as broadcasters broady to side.

How much are time then you give two parties until it in an election period with the referendum.

There was an argument that said when we first in barked on campaign when David Cameron made that momentous decision that we were going to have a referendum, but there was more support to remain in the EU then there was to leave should we have given therefore more airtime and cover to the remain argument that was a very difficult argument to make and sustain and the challenge that we did 50/50 as much as we could do programs.

Representative you having to do party politics and then the brexit Debate and then beyond that the challenge you no call out the lies on both side.

It was very difficult to get beyond the sort of headlines before the noise then crowded out some of them more sophisticated challenges and let's put it that would like this money on the side of the campaign bus go to the NHS that was on you believe side and remain screen.

That's just not true and you know the remain side talking up all the benefits of being in the EU and they're not true either.

It was a real claim and counterclaim and it was also demonstrative of campaigning.

I think there were quite a few people who thought that this was a prayer for government that whoever one would then be able to enact to some extent what have been proposed through the campaign and of course the arguments went on.

And I want to just a reminder listeners and remind you I'm sure you don't forget it one of the very memorable moments on your show this one is between Will Self and the Conservative MP Mark Francois he got a lot of attention.

It was from back in 2019 that have a lesson in the country probably voted for brexit.

I don't know it's possibly know that I suspect it and I apologise to you basically tried to slow anybody who voted leave as a bigger and I said because it doesn't quite do Justice to what happened and what year was followed to know because what you have to imagine if they was sitting really quite close to each other on my right hand side as you sit into the studio and

Then literally stared each other out in quite a menacing way so much so that the editor of politics like that day in my ears said, what are you going to do if fisticuffs unfolds? Well? I thought this was going on and planning across I could see it on the front of me and they were looking at each other.

Well.

I didn't have many options it has to be said I was very much hoping it wouldn't have I pointed to the two cups of water in to me.

I'm headed to said you're going to throw water over them.

I couldn't speak with we were alive.

I couldn't say anything it didn't come to that and actually the guests on the other side two women Grace Campbell the Campbell's daughter in Joe Turner political strategist to work for Boris Johnson it was international women's day and all I could think of to say happy international women's day so moment has been shared many many times I wonder.

One who spent in a huge amount of time covering Westminster whether you feel like the media disproportionately covers Westminster do we focus on the dramas with in Parliament in the dramas between parties and particular individuals at the expense of covering issues that are on a day-to-day basis really shaping people's lives.

It's no and to decide we have a duty to report the big issues as you're talking about the NHS and welfare and foreign affairs and education and health programme like politics live what makes it unique and why it's important.

I think is that actually things that people want to debate sometimes do go beyond what I would call the bread-and-butter of issues and people do like to talk about drama and personalities and we had an awful.

Lot of Personality over those years just before brexit and beyond and right.

Until last year I've not seen the personality ended last year with the labour election, but it was certainly much much more presents before and I'm going to ask you a quick personality question related to the person following you Vicky Young taking over from you briefly any advice for her.

Yes, I would say there is a lot of jeopardy when you sit in that chair and it's live in you don't quite know haven't keep a sense of humour and you can always diffuse with humour and just be fair to everyone the BBC will be proud of me saying that I'm being honest broker you manage to do that joke.

Oh well, thank you very much for coming on our program.

Thank you very much Jo on half of me and Katie and lots of people listening.

Thank you very much for many happy hours being a joke.

I went who is still on politics live all the way through till next week regulars to the media.

Show will know that we frequently talked about this information and we're going to do so again because the military escalation between India and Pakistan

Week has pose particular challenges and Cheyenne sardarizadeh a senior journalist at BBC verify is here to unpack that for us a bit shy and just just explain in what is different this time.

Yeah, I think there are similarities and differences and so you know we've had two other major conflict.

Just a last few years of Ukraine and what's going on and in the first few days of those two conflicts weeks even we saw an explosion of information this leading cause of false videos of images for claims going really really bored online making it difficult to understand what was actually happening on the ground particularly in the case of Israel and Gaza because obviously not that many actual reporters on the ground in cars, but with this one.

I think what sort of structure as was you know what we expected which was missing information online.

What's happening and also intervened van mainstream tablets major news outlets in both countries were seeing stories being broadcast that had absolutely no bearing on true outlandish like you know for instance that Indian military had struck Islamabad or you know troops from other side were surrendering on other part of charity had been have been set on fire or that.

You know some senior Indian military commander have been I've been killed and that sort of you know when is on and internet.

It's what we expect with both sides mainstream major news outlets which huge huge audiences broadcasting this stuff is on a different.

This is not what it seems that the previous to complete this is coming it seems from the authorities.

I want to what can be done to get around it to find out what's happening.

I wish I had a good answer to that we live in an age.

Where people get their news on social media particularly with breaking news something as Major as conflict in a war breaking out of pencils break two major nuclear powers people rushing show me the phone number to going on.

I noticed one of the senior officials officials from one country when they were interviewed last week when you know what evidence about claiming they just look at social media social media social media is that what you're saying exactly in the sense that you know it's not it's not clear but ok the authorities and decision-makers and political power now get the information from obviously there are traditional sources within governments, but they also check social media all the time governments have official social media information was a huge aspect.

Information on the inside of a little bit concerned because when you have two major nuclear Palace and this level of misinformation not just from official sources and used outlets in both countries.

Obviously massive increases the risk of miscalculation you know in an emotional time when people think of people feel like they instantly respond to something that they think has happened then obviously means somebody with political power with the power decision-making see something online that is really really viral without knowing 100% That's true and response by making a decision at that particular time in the no need to say that can have massive massive consequences the BBC would say that's the very important reason why BBC verify and why you trying to do in your job.

Thank you very much for offering us the time here on our program.

Thanks.

I said well next on the media.

Show we're going to talk about the case of Aaron Patterson in Australia you make

In this she's charged with the murder of three relatives and the attempted murder of another all by serving lunch containing poisonous mushrooms say the prosecution these are chargers that she denies current Australian reporter ninho bucci has been telling me about when he first noticed the extraordinary level of media attention that this case is getting on in the story.

There's been what the judge in the trial has actually described as a prolonged and intense major interest that has been reviewed daily news websites that they're interested in a nightly news and all the rest of it, but it's gone further than that.

There's certainly a lot of what a podcast that have gone international audiences is also bit of a social media sort of that as well.

It's paper on tiktok people on Facebook groups paper with popular Twitter accounts for almost sort of citizen.

Jason the author of fuel are spies.

What's paying a really unusual interest in this particular case you're describing is partly playing out online, but it's also part playing out in the small town of more well where the trial is taking place.

Just give us an idea of how this Media interested manifesting itself in and around the courtroom so certainly that first wake of the trial there were around 30 reported that I could say that we're actively in the courtroom and modelling the court case there were the scores of the television Cruise and and photographers outside you got a kind of try and Peter helland.

Usual that is for a 10 of 10 to 15000 people and a court building itself.

There are typically handles much less serious cases for the to be a Murder Trial that little on a triple Murder Trial so you've got no.

Really extreme interest in huge numbers of people but that taking place in a setting that that's very really saying anything like it has the community in the town become part of the story of the media not just reported events inside the Courthouse but also started to look more broadly at the community in which this is happening the movie has been careful as I'm trying to be as well you to make sure that we're coming this trial incredibly accurately based on Leon what's happening within the quarter there has been a real Focus from the judge to be as realistic and a little bit open minded about the fact that this is something that an average person isn't going to avoid prior knowledge of but now.

He's on the way he's trying to be very much make sure that that everybody can bring it is doing so in a sensitive manner that isn't to say that I'm sure that all the paperwork neon.

About this case which many of them a project that daily news reporting that things are going to carry out afterwards well.

That's documentaries podcasts good TV series.

There's certainly a lot of coverage of the Celtic knot design for people to consume that particular day, so I'm sure some of those people are speaking to people in the town as the trial is going onto I guess I will have a slice of life after that.

I'll be able to broadcast or published after the trial was completed and you've talked about how you're being careful to make sure your report is sober and rooted in the fact of the proceedings, but looking across the coverage more broadly.

Do you have any concerns that some of that coverage appears more in line with entertain then it does with news reporting.

I think not touching just specifically honest Robert throughout this whole ever since this lunch.

That's all.

Thrust Aaron Patterson into the spotlight there has been a sort of a of a lot of the coverage of it being ridiculous and fantastical and and such a strange turn of events that are comical I do think there has been a a sense that the factory people lost their lives down for God thanks.

Dino buchi of the garden now.

Have you getting the weather has been a similar experience for some time now? What's on the TV listen on the radio or look it up on the weather apple site or maybe even just look at the window, but now not for the first time YouTube is making itself felt here's an example this winter is going to be crazy compared to last year if you didn't know our weather pattern is changing your going for an El Nino when which means big changes are coming to the United States this is Max velocity weather broadcast on YouTube with over a million subscribers on his channel.

I'm talking about last year's winter and he's with us on the media show as his ITV weather presenter Laura Tobin but let's begin with you Max I wonder what led you to start your YouTube channel in the first place.

Yeah, so I mean it really begin back in 2021 covid hit I had a job at their bread.

I just kind of like a normal person.

I was working during High School and my job basically when I'm from Colbert so I decided to make a weather page called North Texas weather centre of the time and on Facebook and basically explained it over time I was able to explain to a pretty large audience over a couple years.

I was driving at 3 much full-time and then in 2022 overdue over the YouTuber as well, and I start doing videos and live streams and that is where everything have propelled and within the last year.

It's sad and expensive growth on YouTube and the numbers are remarkable I wonder did you have an existing interest in the weather or expertise in the weather before you before unfortunately you lost your job and you decided to.

Yeah, I refused interesting weather ever since I was 4 years old instead of watching cartoons out watch The Weather Channel instead and all the way up until I was in high school.

I was watching the Weather Channel pretty much every single day and I really love watching the weather and I was had a super big interesting it even back in 2012 and I was 10 years old.

I got accepted or whether camp that was meant for people in high school and college and I was only school and I was the youngest ever graduate from their camp and so that just goes to show like my interest was really up there even in the young younger by the sounds of it and and the people who haven't seen your channel.

Just describe the kind of videos you post what kind of content do you provide yeah, I posed to be a long detailed forecast across the United States usually around 8 to 10 minutes long is the average video length and then whenever there is no video needed in there is like a big day of severe water head or big Winter Storm that we go live and cover with a bunch of storm Chase

And also analysis the person that basically does analysis behind the scenes as well and we go wild for upwards of 6 to 12 hours at a time for somebody's big events in a longer so we don't live concurrently for a single one was 16 hours would happen this year with a big severe weather outbreak congratulations from from all of us, what a fantastic achievement, but I wonder do you think that kind of qualification is necessary for you to be able to provide the information that you provide.

I don't think it's necessary across social media, but I do think it adds an extra layer of basically certification and also it adds a layer of the people that are wondering is this guy even qualified always ask like is being are you qualified and now I have Yiewsley can say I'm qualified as I have a bachelor's allergy, but I do think if you're providing weather information.

I do think you need some level of education.

That is a college degree or at least some sort of training you know maybe self teaching yourself or something along those lines and finally Max what why do you think coming to you rather than going to more traditional weather content such as a television forecast or a weather app for providing commercial three coverage across a new approach of a does an hour's across the country and able to go hyper-local into somebody's areas as well, and I think one of the biggest challenges right now open the door sometimes Commercials even sometimes in some cases for local news today.

Don't go live until there is actually a tornado warning and we're already there before let's even happening so I think that's one of the biggest selling points of people Max the moment.

Thank you very much, but I'd love to bring in Lower time and he's ITV weather presenter Laura you've been on the show before but what were interested in this time is your assessment.

How's the way we cover the weather changed? Can I change my name to something better than I didn't want to say Laura but I must say it is a bit boring traditional Media on the traditional weather the best name on the Show competition is really but I feel that my job when I started in as broadcast m is 15 years ago was just telling the weather the day today weather and in time my on-air forecast this weather and Climate Change extreme Weather global weather suggest the content that the audience want to hear is far and wide, you know I think there's been heavy rainfall and floods in America that something but my content is on on TV and we have very limited content online but actually whenever we have extreme Weather events if I posted it on ex on Instagram actually really really well.

Very sparingly, I'm assuming you've never search spent 16 hours Live talking about the weather like in the UK so much more extreme in America and the weather channel is streaming for so long for me any content posted has to be a minute.

You know if I'm doing the plant report Good Morning Britain in the morning.

I have a minute and up after that are really lost in their thinking about doing something else, so if the me a minute is the maximum that I would take to explain something because after that the interest is lost, but obviously we are talking about Max's brilliant name and we know that as is happening across the media ecosystem, if you like that personality is becoming a lot more opening times of engaging with people as that happening weather broadcasting is used it has it evolved over the years.

I'm certainly where the you know you interact with your audience is online as he was saying but it does it allow me.

Championing of causes more emotion even that you use to see anyway the presenter years ago.

Yeah, I think so I mean she started at the BBC of Virginia weather presenter and I think I'm going to do with myself being a credible person a person part of the team part of the Met Office and then actually quite your personality since like new diverter ITV where it's more of her a magazine breakfast near Lismore colour.

I'm allowed to have more personality and to go on location and and to go to Slough buying and talk about climate change and make where the more relatable to people I think that that's what we try and do more and more and see that happening across all of our regional out as happening more across the BBC nationally and regionally as well and to know just in the last 20 seconds you talk about climate change is it difficult to keep talking about climate change when it comes to the weather do you think viewers are turning it off turning off it? I feel like when they're.

What time the right weather event the residents of people it's done a Bitesize way, that should be the weather should care then that's the best way to do it well Laura Tobin lots of for us to think about their and lots from Max velocity as well.

Thank you so much for coming on the programme Laura on ITV and Max velocity on YouTube that is it for this week.

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