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music Radio podcasts and Katie razzall hello, this is the media show from BBC Radio 4 will talk about Gregg Wallace as50 more people come forward with allegations this way awake the outcome of an investigation into his behaviour a recent report by the BBC's Andrew Harding showed French police punching a small boat is it prepared to head to the UK will talk to and

About how we ended up witnessing this Oasis a bank and restricted rights on press photographs from a concerts are being scrutinise all while on social media clips of the performances been widely circulated and will look at that checking in the publishing industry after claims that the salt path the hit the described itself as a true story has element but I'm not accurate let's begin with Greg Wallace there are a number of things to know BBC News understand.

He's been sacked from his role as presenter of MasterChef is also the subject of new reporting by BBC which details more allegations about his behaviour the production company that employs Wallace and makes MasterChef called manager is expected to publish report into his conduct tomorrow Gregg Wallace released a statement yesterday in which he said the most damaging claims against him were found to be baseless after a full and forensics 6-month investigation he added I will not go quietly.

Will not be cancelled for convenience.

I was tried by the media and hung out to dry well before the facts were established and the accused BBC news of pedalling baseless and sensationalised gossip has properly corroborated stories here in the Studio with me and Katie is Max gold international TV editor at deadline and Max on Tuesday afternoon this story is Isabella at some speed? What did you make of the way? It was reported in different parts of the media come in at quite some speed.

There's there's been a fair few scandals the Gregg Wallace news broke initially so towards towards late last year was when was great resource to set back by the production company banijay when I was six seven months on this new BBC news report and the reports that he's been fired by the Producers behind MasterChef the coverage to very interesting Direction because the statement that Greg what is put out that.

Slightly firebrand statement that you just mention Katie that came out about 2-hours before BBC News as able to publish this fresh report which you've just discussed that fresh report which carries 50 more patients the vast majority from women all about Greg Wallace leading to around 70 overall coverage was quite led by the Greg Wallace statement at 3 p.m.

As opposed to the BBC news report at 17 although BBC news.

That report is obviously gone there's plenty of popularity and conversation and as such how do you assess Gregg Wallaces decision I assume advice from others as well to get out in front of both the BBC news story and a couple of days in front of the report getting out in front is is certainly the way he did it isn't knew you would assume this point that he has indeed lost his job.

You can master the social media viral viral click world in away.

If you do get ahead of these.

So if you had a little look between 3 and 17 yesterday if you were searching Gregg Wallace on Google you were getting a lot of headlines mainly in the tabloids that spoke about Gregg Wallaces statement and nothing else, so he was able to say that the BBC has been peddling this gossip.

I think he use the term uncorroborated tittle-tattle he also said that he's been diagnosed with autism and that the BBC didn't take that seriously so he's in that sense trying to flip the narrative and turn it on its head prior to the BBC publishing you can imagine that he was being giving advice on all of this one of the aspects of this story that Greg Wallace chose to focus was then he says the entire report whenever it is completed will not be put in the public domain the only an executive summary will be we'll have to see what banijay decides to do with the report but if that is the case is that standard practise for report of this nature in the media.

I think it can differ I was slightly surprised.

I would say I'm slightly taken aback that will only be seeing an executive.

The BBC itself will tend to publish a full report I think the BBC was coming for a lot of criticism where it not to publish before report.

There's been a bit of confusion around this one because Gregg Wallace in self in his fight page Instagram statement seems he seems to think or B delivery drone people of the sentencing the BBC is the one doing the report when it is in fact banjo the production company behind MasterChef series pressure to publish the report there a private company their own.

They're not even a British company.

They are headquartered in France so you can see you.

Can you can see why that would happen it leaves a sour taste.

I guess we'll have to see what is executive summary contains presumably it's very different to what the final report will look like and that's just thinking about that relationship between the BBC which obviously is the platform are people associate those programs has Greg Wallace programmes with the BBC and then of course of that are made by an independent production company the vehicles is facing prison for not texting sooner.

Complaints dating back years but then the BBC might argue that responsibility actually lay with damage either production company and he wasn't there employee honestly having did in this area for quite a few years particularly around Talent behaviour Things Fall In the cracks between a broadcaster and a production company is a very naughty industry in the way that works in a lot of understandably.

Don't really grass the fact that the BBC is the one commissioning the production company in the production companies want engaging the talent so to speak I think it is quite rare that the BBC wouldn't be doing the report.

I don't think it's necessarily about thing clearly conversations to place to that effect, but it is certainly something that one might argue is where some of these problems lie because often the main people complaining would tend to be quite junior that freelancers like I said the vast majority of women and therefore they don't quite know about reporting lines.

Do you go to the BBC do you go to?

The MasterChef producer bandages very difficult and is there a sign and he signed that things are changing now.

I know after the heads situation the BBC launch the culture review that says but could this story widen open the door to more scrutiny type 2 Productions in terms of onset behaviour and then that point you make about how complaints are handled whether they say between the Independent production company and and the commissioner in this case the BBC the cultural review came out recently BBC director-general Tim Davie and the chairs Samia Shahid very strongly about not allowing these the quote unquote bad apples.

I guess to be able to behave in the way that they do things are improving their more welfare coordinators.

There more reporting like you said it's getting a bit easier and there's this new anti-bullying whistleblowing body called cica CIS a that has been in the ether for quite a few.

Is and doesn't quite have the funding to start yet, but the idea behind it would be that if I was working on a production and has an issue.

I would be able to go to something independent that wasn't my line manager that wasn't the presented in a test on W E stands for I'm afraid I can't remember but I can do it is the creative Industries independent standards and one last question for you Max about MasterChef the form is hugely popular in the UK Brazil so spectacularly successful around the world.

Do when there is a particular issue with one high-profile figure within a format can formats continue to thrive despite that issue.

I think with MasterChef it will be absolutely fine.

I think MasterChef maybe over here is defined by Greg Wallace to an extent and that was was clearly Coulsdon of these issues brought not so much like you said it's very popular format is one of the most popular.

I think it lives on.

Thank you very much for your help on the story Max Gregg Wallace said in his statement the Silk is reported.

It's me of all the serious allegations which made headlines last year.

I recognise some of my human language at times as inappropriate for that.

I apologise without reservation, but I was never the caricature now being sold for clicks Banerjee and a BBC spokesperson have both said they will not be commenting until the external investigation into allegations against Gregg Wallace is complete and we anticipate that we will see at least executive summary of this report on Thursday now French president Emmanuel macron is in the UK on a state visit this week.

He is actually doing a press conference as we record at the British Museum with the prime minister there at the British Museum because of this announcement of the Bayeux Tapestry is coming on loan to Britain next year but we do now on the political from that small boat crossings have been top of the agenda and terms of their talks well last week the BBC's Andrew Harding made headlines with his report from a beach nearby Laurence he witnessed French police smashing an inflatable boat.

women and children trying to get to the UK

OK well, that was Andrew Harding BBC Paris correspondent at the sun's coverage of Andrews report characterized it like this French cops finally drag small boat packed with migrants back to shore with BBC crew conveniently on hand to film are Andrew is on the line joining us hello Andrew pancake hello.

Thanks so much for your time and we'll come on to that at the moment, but just explain first how you ended up standing a few metres away from that boat and what did you see we were on that particular beach all night from 2:30 in the morning and we learnt from about 4 or 5 onwards that the movement of migrants in the Dunes not far away.

We have good police sources and we heard from them that the were some movements around there, so it did seem worth staying on.

That particular beach and sadly around 7 in the morning a group of bats 80 and all of people came from the Dunes down towards the beach day the first boats that taxi boats games zipping past already full and it looked at that moment as if nothing more was happen and then suddenly another boat approach the beach and the clouds move just a little bit South along the beach and stood in the water there about 8 policeman there.

We have a lot of contact from time to time with the French police and gendarmes on a Tuesday take us out, but this wasn't one of those nights when we were with them.

They were aware of our presents the boat initially was organised migrants were getting on they were being directed by we suspect some of the Smugglers within the group of junior Smugglers who have organised the crossings on the beaches.

And then the boat engine cut out and it started drifting closer to shore and we were out.

They're getting footage in the water with them and we could see that the boat was in danger.

The waves were suddenly getting much bigger and a colleague of mine was still on the beach and he was actually filming the French police and what happened that is that a senior officer in the small groups suddenly to the split decision that actually it was proven very dangerous for those on board.

We could see there was a girl being crushed by bodies.

We could see people getting close to the propeller of this outboard motors.

They were trying to restart it and the boat was getting into shallow water and function is that the police officer decided that actually this was more of a rescue than an attempt to stop at a departure and difficult as you can.

They're as you were seeing that happened to that child.

Will you thinking yourself before the police interview were you thinking should we intervene and what other what were the editorial issues that were at the front of your mind at that point we were trying to do a number of things.

I was in the water with my camera man.

I was trying to keep him safe from the waves.

Keep his camera out of the water.

I was to keep an eye out for the Smugglers in case they got aggressive with the family members.

I believe of the girl around her looking out for her so we were very much concentrated on her trying to film what was going on particularly in the light of what happened on a beach in a similar incident year and a half ago when 5 people were crushed to death on a boat just offshore when it was dark that time we were not close enough to be able to help but we were very mindful of this girls situation things when leaving very very quickly this was all over in a matter of.

Academy the police were there.

We could see the girls relatives of people around her holding her out very quickly to safety and son put it this way Cotswold whipped into action they said because you were there.

I wonder whether you think from your from your vantage point.

Do you think the police did act because of your presence in the way that they acted as it was on usual.

I have no way of knowing I very much doubt it there were no senior figures or standing by think was probably quite awkward for the police to a damn what they did in front of the cameras.

They know that there is a review and new policies might be coming out at any moment being announced in the UK at the Summit they are they feel the police we know they feel their damned if they do they don't intervene my sense very clearly was that this was one man one officer deciding actually this is getting dangerous.

We have a chance to intervene in Shallow Waters

This getting even worse this wasn't an attempt to stop a launch so much as an unusual attempt to intervene in the water in more of a rescue fashion which is something the police say they are authorised to do they can't go in the water to stop about because it could put people at risk but if people are already perceived to be at risk and this is a splits judgement.

That's been taken by people on the beach, then they can do so and why you worried at all that what happened that you could be perceived as being part of French public relations efforts head of the state visit dirty that something that I particularly interested in Frankley my way there to do our job.

I was aware of questions being thrown and ask about as you mention that sun spin on what happened, but that's just the uninformed speculation and yeah not really my problem really though.

You are constantly aware of how the French are adapting what they're trying to do and finding that balance and are reporting between showing the migrants are up to what they want to do.

What does Mum up to and a kind of decisions the police are constantly being asked to make Andrew Harding thank you very much for coming on the media.

Show we really help very helpful today as a colleague Andrew Harding from BBC news.

That one perspective on how the British Media is covering the channel crossing let's turn to the French Media Catherine restraint is a senior correspondent for France 24 Catherine thank you for joining a song the media show as of course your nose small boats a significant issue within the UK media is it the same within the French Media not so much not on the same scale at all.

It has a x been covered in the national press at the moment for example with the

Emmanuel macron visit going on in the UK and his meeting with kiss it has a course come up but in no way is the the coverage the quantity of coverage the same know the type of coverage immigration from Calais is seen as a recurring problem which they are the French kind of force to deal with and of course the French singer small boats arriving on their shorts.

So they don't have the same tone and even with this visit going on.

I think it's really interesting just looking through the French press this morning and how it's being covered.

It's hard to find many articles about it at all and if there if there are there concentrating on the pomp and ceremony of Emmanuel macron, Brigitte macron welcome by the royal family and the state of the Glitz and glamour and in terms of talk about immigration and you'll be kind of hard push to know that that was Top of the agenda as we here in there in the British press there.

Turn on other issues such as defense and security if they're talking about the issues at all so interesting I wondered if you were to look at local and regional Media in the part of France where the small boats from would it be a different story couple of local newspapers in particular? I'm thinking of love.

What do you know which is the local paper in and around the can a region and other areas of France and of course they have reported on that beat all the time and they are looking at issues to do with migration in these camps which have been forming and reforming attitudes police brutality report that animals in and around Calais and that we done the them isn't it's a big unfortunately be political events around again.

Thank you very much indeed.

Because there's people listening can hear your line is coming in and out a little but thank you very much indeed for your time.

That's Catherine Norwich train from France 24 before that we heard from Andrew Harding from BBC news now.

I may not need to tell a lot of you this but of course last Friday was a very big day for britpop bands for Oasis fans in particular.

The wait is over to see Oasis as fans in Cardiff get ready for the brothers first concert in 16 years to go is every superfan or any fan is waiting for this is the Pinnacle this is the Holy Grail of Oasis the biggest biggest bad again now.

Yes Oasis back.

I'm sure you've already and don't worry we're not gonna be reviewing the performance.

That's probably for other programs to do but there are a number of immediate angles to this story in the first concerns which press photographers were allowed into the gig and what?

They have over the pictures they took the news media coalition is a trade body that represents international news agencies and publications.

It's written to Oasis management and press to oppose the terms that was set well.

Let's speak to Andy majic the coalitions CEO Andy thanks for joining us in the studio.

What's your issue here? What were the restrictions placed on pictures taken is the determination by the management of how long news news news photography is news.

How long can be used that that imagery taken by professional photographers in front of the stage.

How long can be used news publications time limits on it so specifically they originally said that they can only be used for one month subsequently following some correspondence.

The extended that to hear that clearly does not work for news organisations that at some point after 366 days might want to replace the concert for the retrospective on the band the features and are those kind of time limits unusual for concerts or entertainment of all types are not standard not first time.

We've seen a time limit being introduced looking across the the range of current affairs and news opportunities.

I can tell you that each time.

I'll be true reflections are introduced.

They are pushed back against by the news industry my my members both agents is a publishers understand did which says well Oasis and everyone else involved in the concerts are organising this.

They're doing it within a stadium where you need a ticket to get in and it's up to them the terms that they want to apply to press you are coming in and take.

Prices for them to the side it is there event we don't have a right of access but we do have a value to bring to Oasis and to the venues and we done that throughout the evolution of Oasis Knebworth back in the day supporting their growth through news photography and certainly back in the 30 years ago there were no restrictions of this or 30 years ago the media equation for bands and their promoters management is quite different with Knebworth 96.

I think of the top of my head.

I needed to say the news media was more Central to efforts of a band to connect with their audience than is the case today.

So we may not be quite as a central there another distractions publications the rain social media channels are the value and distinct role of the news media is still there.

Wonder if you do except that you're likely to be having these arguments discussions quite a lot in the future is as artist of all different types re-evaluate what they do and don't win the media absolutely we welcome those conversations at band management and Industry levels and we have done so with world of sport and fashion will happily sit down with world of Music and image of the news media code for the moment.

Thank you because while the press when navigating these restrictions live streams of the gig from inside the stadium worth course easily accessible on social media and Clipstone by people there was circulating even as the gig went on I'd like to welcome Danny Scott his music and entertainment reporter at the Danny I wonder first the Cardiff gig was as we've been hearing of a controlled environment for the Press for photographers, but not for the fans in the audience of Corsa why is there such?

On one side and then such a relaxed approach on the other hey yeah, it's very hard to control an audience of that scale.

You know it's a stadium filled with fans going to do whatever they want really you have some artists that have tried to put in place.

You have to give up your phone put it in a little packet that tends to be smaller gigs.

We've not seen that on a stadium so the livestreams.

They're going to go out.

There's not a lot that they can actually do because even if you look at theatre where you're not meant to bring your phone out.

You're not meant to record people will do a sneaky photo of recording they might get told off for it, but they'll take the risk as true, but that's very different isn't it from what happens at gigs now where you all you see as earphones and people that recording the whole thing and in fact sometimes live streaming it now straight away.

I was impossible to watch the Oasis gig in Cardiff on Friday night and less.

You were getting into someone's tiktok on someone else's life.

She certainly couldn't sit on the news.

Could you because there was only a small short short extract giving out I wonder whether for these artist for these band.

There's an assessment here which is that actually the creation of that kind of content so Central to the experience of games and actually that in a way that needs an artist would say it was good for them.

I mean it gets there gets them out there but in a much more plan Focus a rather than a news media type way wait looking at there.

It's building community across the fans.

This is the fans put something in place for an offence to watch they're not going to be the ones while watching the Livestream they are holding up the phone for the whole shutter if you look at what happened recently Glastonbury with me the live stream.

You know I spoke to Helen and she burnt her finger on her phone holding it up the whole time because it was so hot and you're talking like just explain you're talking about Helen who was actually live streaming the cat.

BBC wasn't yes, so she made the decision to she was only going to record a few songs that live stream those but it became I mean millions watch that so she quite quickly she was going to have to put in so get shift which is no easy feat that's an hour at Oasis that's the whole set that you will live streaming you know you need your phone to have battery.

It's not as simple of I think it sounds, where is if you're not a fan.

You maybe don't realise how much after is is going into that whether you agree with that or not.

I done it with Katie but isn't there if we take the Oasis gig as an example.

You're not allowed to broadcast the Oasis gig the BBC can't say bleed stick a camera in that concert and broadcast it of course not it wouldn't be a loud and so presumably some artists and their record labels and their promoters do not want live streams of these gigs on tiktok or on YouTube or wherever it might be are they?

Walking to the technology companies the saying you need to do more to help a stop this there's been a lot of conversations with social media, but you you need to remember that there is a given artists are using social media to promote their Souls you know if you have a viral clip of viral moment of viral dance that goes a long way to promoting a new song if you think about the carpenter hurt or she had hoped you know poses the amount of conversation that generated whether people were outraged idea or whether people were just sharing a cup of her doing a fun poser the song that creates interesting the artist so I think whilst yes, it's frustrating.

They don't want the whole set leaked they don't want Media coming and filming for doing it for a documentary which if Oasis are thinking long-term.

They probably are filming at some point maybe a documentary or in the likes of you tell us where series tour film.

But for the social media side of it.

It's very hard to say we don't want you filming this and then say all but please do share the viral sound clips that make the song go up in the charts in South thank you very much indeed.

That's Danny Scott and before Danny we heard from Andy mojo parts and breaking news in the last hour because Linda jacarina the CEO of social media site ex has announced that she will be stepping down.

She's had the role for 2 years and then a post on X and answering her departure she's found Elon Musk for the opportunity of a lifetime today with joined by BBC Tag Editor Zoe kleinman.

Hello.

Zoe just tell us more any him that there's been a falling out between her and ask I think the most telling the thing of all of this then Elon musk's reply to her post which is very few words long has written.

Thank you for your contributions now.

Who is the man who doesn't usually choose the word?

How many so I feel like there might be a developing story there in a bit of popcorn to be to be getting out as we watch this unfold.

She in her post has been very supportive of her former.

Employer.

She said she's proud of it.

She said she will continue watching and hearing from the sidelines, but it's quite interesting to think about her tenure because he never really went away.

Did he remember you must step back is the CEO Twitter because he's other businesses were they said it was because he taking his I have the balls for he appointed her as the CEO but if anything he then got even louder and even more controversial and did she have any success? How is she in that role? Did she manage to win back advertises for example? I think it seems to have settled down a bit under her leadership.

I'm in a lot of things changed while she was in charge.

You know we had the reinstatement of controversial accounts.

We had the bad boy AI chatbot Brock which now talk to use on X and sometimes crosses the line and upset to everybody.

Atom Eve away from moderation and towards community notes which is other excuses moderating a platform for them.

So there's been a lot of change and have a look or change coming.

You know must have said he wants to turn this into it everything he wants everybody using it to do their banking to do the video calls to live their lives on it and you might think that she would have wanted to have seen that through as it was something that she was very on board with and is happy changes coming in and sorry this was an appointment that raise the lot of eyebrows because you was coming from a traditional Media background and I was always straight from the moment.

She went into the job that she wasn't apologetic at all about doing in fact.

She was out there on ex posting very much and support of what Elon Musk was doing yeah.

I mean they they got on well.

Didn't say I think they like to each other day probably similar politics you got to remember.

She's a former trump appointee, so I don't think it's sort of 4 into politics.

That's upset or if anything maybe his falling out with the US president actor because she has.

Reporter in the past I think it's really interesting to see what's going to happen that everyone I know who's ever worked with Elon Musk says he's a visionary workaholic and you can only keep up with him for so long as she's in a 60.

She's a grandmother and she just wants a slightly quieter life.

Do you think those she had free reign in that job to do what she wanted or do you think he was always in charge really? I think he was I don't think you ever out of the shadow of Elon Musk to you, but very interesting and I'm intrigued to see who applies for this because he's not that everyone but I'm sure it will be fine.

I don't think I'm going to throw my head's hurting now.

I'm definitely not qualified thanks.

That's very kind at the BBC's technology editor the salt path is the 2018 Memoir from a woman called Raynor Winn about how she and her husband overcame homelessness illness and adversity by walking the south West coastal path earlier this year.

a clip of the trailer which featured the caption based on an incredible true story

Are you walking the path?

Arsenal well last weekend and investigation by the observed Rocked anyone who read the salt path that accuse the author of fabricating or giving misleading information about some elements in the book she described the observers article is highly misleading the couple of taking legal advice adding the book was the true story of our journey, but what does this tell us about the publishing industry and its fact-checking processes joined by Halloween would that really news editor at the bookseller hello hello great to have you here.

I know you're the perfect person.

Cos you actually did research into fact-checking earlier this year when it comes to public.

What did you find so I found it very interesting as a news journalist seeing the differences between fat checking in journalism and fact-checking in Publishing and I think often there isn't that checking in publishing that's in my article for the bookseller focused on and the nature of fact-checking in non-fiction and it looks a bit more non-fiction bottles attach to put on Memoir and some of the things that we had worse and there is not enough money and time and 44 fact-checking.

That's what I feel and that there is a sensor that it's nice to have a but it's very difficult to enforce in in reality and I mean I think this sort of book memoirs would be very difficult to fact-check Indian variant from ways, but I'm a little bit around that.

Are you saying it is?

Not standard practise for non-fiction publishers to fat check their authors.

I would say that it varies and I got the impression.

There is not as much as we would think in a nonfiction and I mean I heard from one editor who said I've been doing this job for about 10 years and I've had checked about 10 books obviously depend on the publisher on the type of book.

I think often the article that I wrote Dartmoor with academics and experts in particular field and I think there is sometimes a sense of Status bias, where your your trusting an expert or an academic because you believe they should know the most about this particular subject because that's why I getting the book or receive the salt path is a is a different thing is it's A Memoir and yeah, I mean it's very interesting case and just that word that phrase.

Does it also mean that you yes, you're giving someone stares could also be that you don't want to upset people they might take their book somewhere else what they think I did hear from 1 people that said that and no one or two people that said the only raises questions about this this academic book and I was told to keep quiet and that we should stick with certain that actually aren't true and in the book and actually this particular but went on to win Awards but it was about placating the author.

I think that's not necessarily representative of industry.

I think you know there are a lot of hard-working people in Publishing and I know that Industries really reeling from the you know the news of the last few days.

Isn't that the other publishers are looking at their books and trying to work out if they could be exposed in a similar situation as BBC News I do quite a lot of conversations.

Not nearly as many as you do I'm sure it's all at the bookseller but but he's very clear that they have big legal department or access to lawyers, so they've got that same thing yet.

So what is the reason you think for not having is it just money not having that checking department.

I think there's another one.

I think there is a lot of focus on the legal read which is more about making sure they're not liable and there is not much when it comes to the fact checking that the responsibility legal is on the author and they will always sign a standard indemnity clause that says I guarantee Factor true to the best of my ability that I remember and and so the responsibility legally is author if these things are these facts on are not true rather than the publisher Halloween if that's how the UK publishing industry is approaching this year of fact Chequer

Like a with say the US I got the impression perhaps.

There's a bit more fact checking in the US I it's hard to say I think I think perhaps in in general non-fiction there might be a slightly different approach to checking I think again I think with memoirs.

I don't know when this book was bought and I've heard that you know the I've spoken to people who say how well respected the Editors are who worked on the book no one expected it to become the best seller to the extent and I think most you know it is it is an outlier and it's an incredible incredibly detailed investigation from the Observer but I think it's not represent the older than was going to publish.

Just give us a bit of contacts on this for we carry on with the the questions around fact-checking was there a serious bidding war for this book when it first came on the market.

Is it actually signed for a relatively low fee and then became a runaway success? That's a good question.

I don't know I don't think that it was a huge auction I remember so it was published in 2018 and I join the books are about a year before and I feel like it was more of the word of mouth best seller and it was very much a booksellers favourites.

It wanna rule Society of literature.

It was nominated for many others and shortlisted, so I feel like it was a grower rather than an instant hit while in the case of the salt path is probably his penguin.

It's released a statement this week saying it all the necessary pre-publication due diligence including a contract with an author warranty about factual accuracy and legal read as is standard with most works of non-fiction and so as such a new explaining this just now to some degree the publisher saying the responsibility of being truthful falls on the author rather than the publisher.

That's what that statement was was trying to say do you think we might see a shift in the language that is applied to memoirs around the use of the phrase true story this is Katie's catching my iPad because of course we talked about a similar issue with reference to baby reindeer on Netflix and the language that Netflix used in terms of describing what baby reindeer was do you think we might see it in the language of how many was a built-in possibly because I think when the salt path was published.

It was around the time of the nature writing boom and there was a bit of that emerged in in Toronto subgenre of nature writing and I think in the last few years.

We see a real rising autofiction and I think there's not more appetite books the Blurred boundaries between fiction and and Memoir and so I think the hats we will think again about categories and and genres and it'll be interesting to see what the

And what about any precedent for this? I mean in the past there have been non-fiction books which were found her factual inaccuracies or embellishments what happened to any of those so James Frey published his Memoir about 20-years ago and then they reprinted it with the note at the beginning of the book saying that some elements embellished and I know in the US doubleday his publisher offers refunds to some people who felt that they been duped Belle Gibson a blogger who said that she had cancer and she didn't and lifestyle influencer.

Hope it was cancelled they yeah, I mean I've been but I mean as I said these outliers as I spoke to a publishing a lawyer who worked in publishing for about 45 years and I said all you know can you remember the case of a case of like a public sewer.

Contract in in case that you might present itself and something like this.

He said I can't remember anything like that and it's never a good look for publisher to see other so well.

I said the Observer article is highly misleading with taking legal advice and won't be making any further comment at this time the salt path lays bare the physical and spiritual journey more than I shared and experience of transformed and alter the course of Our Lives this is the true story of our journey a red summer penguin statement earlier.

It's also said prior to the Observer enquiry.

We have not received any concerns about the books and in terms of the films adaptation a spokesperson for number 9 films and shadowplay features which make the screen adaptation said in the statement of the publication deadline there were no no no claims against the book at time of opening it or producing and distributing the film BBC film which also help finance and executive produced of movie has also declined to comment.

You so much calories would that BBC News editor at the book cell? I feel that this is something is going to run and run so we might be coming back to this but for this week.

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