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Download MP3BBC sounds music Radio podcasts this week I Radio 4 series on inherit questioning if we should pass anything at all on to the next generation as ruffle some feathers underway with a feast of classical music for the next few weeks.
I'll be discussing that go with Radio 3 controllers and Jackson BBC signs disappears outside the UK Tony Hawk's is giving nothing away was broadcast a couple of weeks ago on Radio 4 was all about the thorny sometimes taboo subject of inheritance.
I have my wealth drawn from decades of writing travelling and broadcasting without hesitation repetition or deviation and most importantly I have my beautiful 11-year old son although Tony is considering not leaving anything to his son.
Just as his own father did to him and his brother this is.
Isobel Holly more specifically his inheritance what am I going to pass on to my son aside from my good looks and devilish sense of humour of course how much money should I infection I leave him anything at all would giving all our financial leg up help him out or would it take away his drive to achieve things on his own terms well.
I'm pleased to say that we thank you for coming onto feedback to the in the in the series.
You said repeatedly that you expected to get a lot of flat for this and there has been some from feedback, but I wonder what kind of response you've had has been about 50/50.
I have to say initially via my website.
I had a lot of people contacting me well done to bring this up exactly what I've been thinking all my life this kind of stuff and then it was followed a little bit more by people saying please leave your son a house.
This kind of stuff people genuinely worried for me which is all worried for my son which I thought was rather this week, but I have to say I thought there might be some criticism about the premise of the programme baby boomer generation acting over what to do with their inheritance 170 people are struggling to make ends meet and it's actually precisely because there's this baby boomers with all this money to spend that the program seems so relevant because there's this huge pool of money kicking around and where is it going to go so that's a good question to ask when the real voted for making program was not to say to people.
This is what you should do it was to say look come with me on my little personal journey.
My dilemma.
If you like watch me struggle to do and then just maybe think about this subject a little bit more than you have before that all know maybe some of the responses were because you chose to include your son.
The program and I wonder if that was a difficult choice to make because he's only 11.
I think he's very sweet but he is very young and I wonder if you went back and forth over that and what he will think about that decision to please him in the future.
I thought he could cope with it is Mother's already could cope with it.
He's already can cope with it one of the key things in the city that came out of the series to do anything unusual with your inheritance out of the ordinary talked to the people as soon as possible about it get in a room get it out in the open talk about it.
My father.
Did the same with me he told me when I was about the same ages as although that he wasn't going to leave any money to me and my brother.
Don't know why did it but he told us and then we were fine with it and it just seem to be a nice touch to include him in the program because it's about him Adrian got in touch and he said I listen to the radio 4 series.
Is giving nothing away and what I think you felt recognise is that money isn't the only that people can inherit my pic on one advantage so many other inherited characteristics that give advantage of not privileged not least in the meritocracy is what you do with your inheritance matters more than what's an advantage.
It is a fair point well.
The programme was not trying to sort out the whole world.
Is that the program was trying to sort out what I should do with the money that I will have any estate that I have when I die and he saying why pick on one will the answer is because we wanted to even on that financial point you did mention that are they didn't pass on any money to you as well.
I don't mention mother's but even if your father helped you financially at any point as many parents do these days or sent you a private?
How many other ways that you can have a financial advantage in life before your parents actually die of course her and this program was not about trying set about let's make a voice equal world.
It will never exist it never says that it will exist the program was specifically my personal journey.
What am I going to do? I'm going to wind up with you.
No reasonable you can say very large sum of money and what do I do with it when I die that doesn't mean I'm trying to cure WorldPay sort everything out in the world.
It means I'm trying to sort out what I'm going to go in the programme you do discuss passing on to your son a job running your charitable Foundation rather than a cash inheritance many people looking for work or indeed with chill for a bite to enter the job market the idea of being able to gift yourself in a permanent job even on a moderate wage seems a lot more beneficial and therefore even less meritocratic than A4
Will it seems to me? I can't wait I can't win either way if I give him absolutely nothing people have attacked me for giving him absolutely nothing if I give him a job to giving him in advance.
I don't understand why why I attack this attack this opprobrium.
I suppose because you brought it up.
Yeah, well, it's fine, but I still that doesn't mean I have to understand.
I don't understand it and what I'm doing is with the money that I have left.
I'm trying to do something that will benefit the whole of society rather than just my son the gist of it.
I don't think that's a bad thing with people think it's a bad thing ok.
I think it's a good thing but we're supposed to disagree and it's great that people are talking about this.
I'm really pleased that a reacting because that's what we really want it to happen.
Not a few listeners did get in touch to point out the significant differences between the inheritance law in Scotland and England
From London in English law you can disinherit your children in scots law, it is not possible to fully doesn't because children retain legal rights to Stourport anywhere.
Else says I'm surprised that Radio 4 with makeup without inheritance and make no distinction between two primary legal systems in the UK it was a mistake.
We should have said did England so it specifically about me and my journey.
I live in England so I think it was quite simply a mistake not to see English law and quite happy to apologise for that to the Scots not on Atkins point site.
I've been very well thinking about whether or not to leave your £2000000 house to your son or charity, but he's assuming he stays fit and healthy factoring exactly do care and have a look less to worry about I wonder if you considered that that actually you might not have very much money to pass on to are low in the end, but I just don't think it's relevant.
I don't know what the
What do they say the program is about is what I will do with what I do have left.
I'm not quite sure what the question is that they're asking I want to give the last word.
I think to Brian Mac well done Tony I've been so much the same thing for years and never expected on Radio 4 interesting see if you get more criticism then Brian says just been there is also been praised for it, but you have got people talking that was the intention really because it's got a conversation going about a very interesting submit because there is a huge amount of money flying around involved in property and being passed on and my own personal view and this remember this program is about that.
It's about a personal journey.
It's not about a policy that we are suggesting and my personal journey.
Is that I see a wider family?
Beyond just my child and I think we will the world would be a better place if we can all think like that Tony Hawk's thank you very much for coming onto Anthony Hawks is giving nothing away can still be heard on BBC signs remember you can get in touch about anything you hear across BBC audio all you have to do is send a voice note WhatsApp the number is 0300 345 4420 to do it but you can also ring that same number and leave a message the number again.
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I talk to Sam Jackson control of Rage 3 and director of this year's Proms recovered a lot from weather Friday night is music night is too low brown'' to the trials which appear to annoy many listeners, but as he made clearly.
They are staying with just thought we hear part two of us interview use the word of support from Fiona Yeomans in Guildford I completely disagree with the negative views about Sam
Last week's feedback excellent changes to Radio 3 and the audience figures speak for themselves.
It was time for a new perspective and I'm missing a lot more now this year's Proms programme has a huge choice.
We have booked to attend in person than ever before and had problems narrowing down the choice be coming to everything from CBeebies 2 mph to knots in between I also enjoyed the library casting on Radio 3 throughout the day last Friday particularly the interview with the Tech team talking about ringing the sound systems.
It's the first year that you've been director of the rooms and I think it's fair to say that it feels a bit like a core problems.
Do you feel that you got ownership of it yet going to take a few years just feel it is more moulded into your shave before in in discussions on the subject and not on there, but with others I believe that the Proms is the
The ultimate example of a team effort and this notion that it was in it to take my princess is David Picard season 2 season of the reality is I have a fantastic team on The Proms and we were together it just looks like my season with my ownership because it shouldn't be about one person that said absolutely I run this festival and I'm very proud of it and I hope to my team giving very clear Direction on what I want but one of the lovely things about the promises in Any Given year.
We have some projects that went in the diary.
Maybe 3 years ago because that touring Orchestra was going to be in year.
We need to lock in the dates, but that will be another problem that the soul Revolution from for example where I vividly remember a few days before the guide went to print we still didn't know what we're going to do on that date and we were playing up a number of different ideas that can to get incredible last minute in comparison, so the more time that the passes I'm sure I will feel a great sense of ownership.
Looking forward to this year's problem.
We've also had people who are concerned Ian Armstrong living in West London I'd like to ask why have the Proms join so much of the BBC in the lowest common denominator.
Where are the international Orchestra conductors and soloist? Where are the extraordinary events like people have been a disease preventing muscle is excruciatingly difficult concerto in D or you wang's sighting but he was teaching her 20-22 performance is cinema scores and pop singers all generally available on a variety of alternative platforms Story by the BBC could just reclaim the Proms to be the world's greatest music festival does axiomatic that is pursuit of the trendy and transient responses Radio 3 core audience and indeed diminishing its tail.
Premier worldwide showcased for classical music I think I need to send in a copy of the Proms guy because as I scroll through that what do I see I see a mass of Life by delius, I see videos for teapot mass I see on the opening night the rarely performed Oratorio by Vaughan Williams which features not only the BBC Symphony Orchestra and the BBC singers but the BBC Symphony on the topic of pianists Hamelin the most exciting young pianist on the planet will be performing Rachmaninoff but also to understand.
It will be playing the music of Bach I mean you have their to Great pianists radically different generations, but I am not sure what it is looking at when he's goes through because I think we are doing those things and then some this summer Brian BBC Proms I meant to be the Jewel In The Crown of the Radio 3 output is an opportunity for the BBC to reach out and engage with New Order
Classical music the current Seasons programme Manchester United retained loyalty Max existing followers no be in enough to bring in the BBC Proms neither shake up I wake up and a large injection of energy and imagination in 2027.
It'll be 100 years BBC took over custodianship of the Proms you will be in charge at that point.
Hopefully, I'm sure you will be I wonder I will that look will there be a makeup a large injection of energy and imagination.
Are you planning something different with a lot for 2027 yes, and I can't talk in detail about by now, but it is a really important moment for the BBC that we would have been sodium's of this Festival for a century.
I want us to have an incredibly ambitious season at the Royal Albert Hall but also I want to look at how can we go bigger and better on balls across the UK
Doing up this year.
We are going to go further so I think if I look across the UK this year we are in Sunderland for the first time in Bradford for the City of Culture Belfast Bristol Gateshead in Scotland in Scotland over the next couple of years want some more in Wales were in Northern Ireland I think that we have an opportunity in 2027 to bring the Proms to audiences on their part in the way we haven't before I think also looking at how we work with other colleagues across the BBC I'm really ambitious for how we work with children's on bringing classical music for the very youngest of audiences.
We have a CBeebies Bedtime Story prom this year the final thing.
I was stated to your listener is I do believe that we have that energy and ambition now as well and looking at 2026 the 250th anniversary of independence next year.
There's a lot.
I want to do around American orchestras American repertoire a very much.
Hope this will be a golden period for the promises people that bank some we've talked about audience.
Figures when we look at the Proms actually do an awful lot of clips of it on YouTube and they haven't millions and millions 100/250 millionaire something fuse most of aunt BBC and I was listening to a podcast that you actually I was listening to on YouTube on the future of classical music and you were talking about this whole of where you go to find your order lots of people we listening to us on BBC signs or on Radio 4 but you when you when you're looking at the future classical music at the BBC do you think that you should be putting it on YouTube how do you work out what to do with that? I think we have to look at where the audience and we need to go to them and there is some in this because if we want to just put everything on YouTube we would be going where and audiences and very large one at that, but I worry about then the attribution or not that the BBC is giving because
Content on YouTube where is it people come to iPlayer they come to BBC sounds the awareness that you are consuming something from the BBC that you fund is just inherently higher however.
I think he can't just say what we hate people will come to us and we have to find a way of connecting with audiences on YouTube because that consumption is just going up and up and up.
We need as the BBC to be going to wear that audiences and to be hooking them in does that mean we just put every prom on YouTube no, I don't believe it does but can we entice people can we pick their interest in my my son with my dad? It was amazing.
Did you watch Glastonbury know I watched on iPlayer he's all of the content on tiktok.
He wasn't watching on iPlayer but we then did watch someone I play together so I think that that's the ideal for me is that people's interest is piqued.
They see something on the platform that they use and then they come more into our world Radio 3 Empires
Doing pretty well, but I wonder if you see your role as controller Radio 3 in a broader sense so little Music and Arts on the school curriculum for example.
I wonder if you think that you have a bigger Road can fly the flag for classical music and Culture more broadly in the UK and champion that particular moment we're looking at the please charter renewal coming up to see that.
You should have a wider role definitely I feel very strongly about this on a personal level I was educated at state school.
I'm only sitting here doing this job and talking to you because I had amazing Music teachers who believed in me and if you look at the date after find those night was just a little music on the just focus on the answers as follows you look at England and Wales GCSE Music Has Fallen by over 40% and think I've just come off the board of Trinity Laban conservatoire of Music and dance conservatoire.
A governor for over a decade and you'll see that Talent pipeline reducing and if you don't give children the opportunity as time and everywhere, but you've got to make sure the opportunity is there and I think we have real opportunity is the BBC to play that that refund role in educating people on were actually working on a project at the moment which I'm hoping we will be able to announce in the next 6 to 12 which is really ambitious involves the Proms as well, if I was a fantastic artists then again can't really share all the details but specifically focus on making sure that children who may not get some music either because of their upbringing because of where they live actually that they can get from the BBC and wonderful experience of music that will hopefully Foster in them a lifelong learning and appreciation of all kinds.
I'm going to give you one last question from Peter my name is Peter Lewis from music on the Quantocks where a group of volunteers running music concerts in Somerset
I want some Jackson to know that many listeners like me think Radio 3 under his leadership is a breath of fresh air and his team.
I've got the overall balance about right across the day and across the week.
I'm someone is listen to Radio 3 or since the days of the third program and I enjoy Radio 3 now more than ever and one more thing Sam when a when a when a when are you going to persuade Emily Eavis Glastonbury Festival to have a classical 6 stage? What do you know? What Peter this year George and Martin presenter of essential Classics dinner set from the BBC introducing stage at Glastonbury with a musician of Charlie's could able so loud is brilliant with broadcast on Radio 3 a few days later and I like you would love to see Glastonbury booking even more classical music acts.
I can't say I've got this way with Michael and Emily even myself but
Very supportive any attempts to get more classical music into festivals like Glastonbury controller of radio 3 as ever thank you so much for joining me on feedback.
Thanks for having me Andrew feedback g attach for the best interview on BBC audio the winner is decided by a panel of listeners and A Night at the end of the year anyone can nominate any interview on any BBC radio station or BBC podcast Gary O'Donoghue the BBC North America correspondent got a call from the White House it feature on the BBC during the week, but it was the first airing of the interview with President Trump on the Today programme which caught the attention of Marshall from the Wirral I thought the interview between Barry Donoghue and Donald Trump was refreshing in many ways particularly in its style and content.
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