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Hello, what intermediate club? I'm your house to maxigas in the cold today all three quiet on the m a front.

Why are super Indies reluctant to spend on new ideas the moment.

I think Andy Wright journalist and TV producer tells us what's going on.

It's also quieter in the audio sector with the wandering sending shockwaves to the burgeoning Chloe straw chief exec of trade body audio UK gives us the mood music and which strategies that can help your business all that plus has Destination X been mistreated TV star selling it shows the threshold broadcasters and in the media queries we fix up some old Media properties.

That's all coming up in the media club come on in Steven love you to be here in real life TV producer answers glorious shows the word and ex on the beach review of times radio rajar broadcast who would you like to see get?

Word for the great work this week.

I've been thinking about this.

I've got a couple of names first of all Graham Linehan he's had a good week.

He's gone he's gone back onto the front pages again, but maybe not for TV Pepsi vs.

Then you've got Steph McGovern who's apparently got three new series which is quite a lot plus.

He's doing a smokey Queens series 2 and then there's a go at lunch today who told me that he's got three dramas in that have been in production and another 3 in development and has a bit like what you know who are you Chris Lang the writer of unforgotten booming at the moment.

That's a Drama World sector TV and Andy can't get enough of it, so he is getting busier and busier and I think you think they'll be tomorrow at sohniyan.

I was just a bit like the olden day is your name.

Tell me when Easter money so yeah, so he Chris Lang should be your next guest in drama and speak to him at the TV festival golden circle of rice and fish in that circle the next 4 to 7 people and it's nearly all dramas.

Have one of those and Chris definitely scoring very big at the most popular TV show us St members of the audio sector in trade body audio, UK who you nominating this week.

Who is the chief communications and brand officer at the earlier this year and he came to power forecasting event which was all about advertises investing more in podcasting showing my it's a good idea and one of the major themes that came out of

Is there still quite a lot of confusion about? How are you advertise on a bottle last which is understandable we got some sort of questions before the event and I was not a it was really eye-opening to be like all these are quite basic questions.

We assume a lot of knowledge and say a karst have recently launched a kind of advertising in audio online and if you're a marketer or an Advertiser you can go on and do these two modules and it gives you a really good idea of how I'm like why you have ties and pocket think so but back in time.

I do something similar in the radio world.

We had lots of new grads would come in and find a radio advertising work and bring mine.

They were booking like half a billion pounds of advertising you would assume that they knew more than they stayed maybe we all should be better at just came back to basics sometimes.

What level you are in anything that you know enables not advertising podcasting which as we know is a wonderful medium advertising is a good thing is he's definitely when the colours change in the freezer is fresher with Costa Coffee maple Hazel range Costa Coffee store or Costa Express machine to pick up and looking for a new job.

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Ok into the media news we go the absence of News Stephen fascinating piece in deadline about all3media who expect quiet the number of Studios oppression companies this year, but haven't why I mean I can't really believe you asked me why the answer is fairly obvious.

There's no work and so if there's no why by companies to try and find work and that's basically in a nutshell when it was that the speed resistor if you don't produce new ideas produced the new work it will all die but because the slow down.

That's they're all sitting on their hands.

They're not buying up companies that the one that was one of the day Marella is now running sea monsters.

Which is all three things but which is a nice thing to see but I used to have no time and they are now but this is the problem that your white paint to bring in some high-flying created without actually ganting and income and so that's that's the to me that the cancer the same as well like no one's particularly to work.

So there's no one that's the only thing is I mean commissions on buying a Christian not buying why bother selling if it's going to cost you mean why not just keep you waiting know what I think they're waiting.

You know this thing as a lot of high-priced TV greatest work sitting waiting to start launching companies, but they need to be paid that thing is the money the money behind the wages that the infrastructure that's what's stopping all this also a mention of

Developing feeder labels, did you see this label developing ideas making them out to other the BBC they called it developing central in for a moment and it was basically bringing people in to punch out idea because we were good at ideas and then would give them to serve unsuccessful departments to sell super development you probably better if the TV particularly the ideas cost very little the infrastructure cost a lot, so you can get an idea person who can you know it doesn't need a desk for God's sake a laptop and a mobile phone so you need so you can you can create.

What would be a company in the old-fashioned way, then when you get the commission then you hire all the people are sitting around all the desk space or whatever it is.

It's always money at the end of all this but ideas, don't need.

Infrastructure to come up with it's the the programme making part that needs that so if you've got if you've not got enough stuff coming out you need more people with ideas.

That's all new company.

That's appearing on the sea now little bit later on that though TV companies going to podcast as well.

I mean are podcasts and kind of feeder labels.

Is it around people to play with ideas anything any TV companies Becoming Part of the podcast sector? Yeah? I mean I was going to choke that she really interested.

I mean we work with small TV is the best example I can think of you.

Obviously very successful in tellys far as I know that right and they have a big depart making I think wonder you're a big clients.

Also lot of other areas and United podcast showing to be a really good way to cheaply develop IP

Ironically, it's narrative podcast primarily that if you are in the audio world feel like they cost a lot of money, but I imagine if your telly cost about 3 people to develop into a TV format so the relationship you know we earlier this year did kind of networking event with the Pact which is the UK equivalent of the film which was very much about bringing podcast producers and TV and film producers together in terms of that kind of shared development of a VPN with development ideas or reduces is you over the last 10 years? It's gone from being paid away been paid yet to get a commission right.

Just a very very risky financial and cos that's the reason why the company that they going into buying up the talent because you are around talking and looking at the window trying waiting for inspiration to hit know if you can do that by 3.

Think somebody or whatever or just buying it in from a feeder or something that makes more economic census horrible for the industry because it destroyed the creative people but it's good for the companies.

We talk earlier about a Wandering so it's over the few weeks it Amazon and outer layer of that podcast network can a moving people into audible or a lot of the program will maybe not the people and moving some of the projects into a sort of Central creative department sofa colour people who is applied value Talent Chloe content from producers in the US and in the UK airports that wondering maybe the second largest commissioner after the BBC so what's the mood like about you so I thought about this a lot because obviously been United break mid-August.

I think I was on holiday have really good relationships with a lot of people at 1 Degrees

Their personal jobs point of view in the teams point of view I think it's really sad and you know that people that we were always worked with Lee who's in charge of marketing there on the audio production awards and so you know there's an enormous amount of Talent out there, so I guess the first point is if anyone is looking to recruit your spoil at the moment and a lot of people are looking to recruit a lot of the one who team created a a shared spreadsheet of people who you want to be listed to do yeah, it's really good.

I mean I have so many thoughts on that on this and I tried to break it down and was doing it.

I thought maybe I need to write an essay on it.

I think I think the there's two different elements to it.

So there's the video side of it and kind of video forecasting and then there's kind of the death of narrative podcasting what's going to happen.

And I think a lot of people have sort of said I will this is the death of narrative podcasting what we going to do and without sounding like a sort of old fogey.

I entered the history about 20 years ago.

The only there were very few days.

I work for something else which is now Sony the only way you could get commissioned by the BBC and you'd be lucky if you got a 30-minute documentary on Radio 4 want to you.

I'm not saying we should go back to that, but I think often because this is a relatively new industry for think that when thought of something happens or something goes wrong.

It's the end of everything and it's not like Industries are living breathing beasts and you know they expand and contract and you'll find more jobs over there and video and there's less jobs in narrative, and I think it's really important as a creative and this industry to make sure that you are you have your

Getting a lot of pies, so it's very rare for any of our members to rely on one commissioner and in fact.

It's increasingly rare for any of our members only to make commission content so they will make commission content they would do branded partnerships.

They would do partnerships with other you know with places like I heart and increasingly they self publish an ad funded and I think you know if you look at the biggest trout there.

It's subscription revenue companies like noises do really good narrative podcasting really sort of inspirational company and a very much looking at subscription models subscription funding so I think I feel for the people.

I think is an industry that we are still absolutely on the up and I think it's important to sort of pores and have a moment for one day because it was a wonderful thing but also Tina expect a big tech platform not to be I don't know the financials when I presume look at the

And It's Tricky having an audible and a wandering and an Amazon music and I know Amazon like to have their own individual labels, but that's really hard and actually is you say you know the narrative go to Audible and the more kind of celebrity focused video that I can go to Amazon music and so you know it makes sense looking at it from a business perspective and some people have talked about it being death of narrative, but I think that you chat shows are now video and audio knowledge.

Meant that you need to deal with them in a different way.

I actually really frustrating like to breaker industry down to something as simplistic as audio and video makes me want to scream and doesn't you know doesn't think about the interview.

What industry the brilliant like there's anything about this industry? It's hugely innovative.

You know if you look at obviously go hanger leave the way and video podcasting you look at goalhanger and Tony are very clear about saying that they're video is additive additional audience on top of the audio.

So there's still a huge audience who consume audio building as well and it's not necessarily not taking away from the audio and I think that's really important and then you have rusty quill who managed to be hugely successful in monetizing audio horror drama like incredibly nation.

They don't do videos at all, but they make millions of pounds on merchandising and board games there's so many opportunities.

I think break the industry down too kind of death of audio for video videos important it helps with discoverability, but there are also many other is you know I

Is looking back to again very old been a long time I feel very old I come from production to my first kind of job at something else was producing shows for BBC music and I it was thinking we when I was about 25.

We all the Producers taught herself how to use Final Cut how to do lighting and is it something else and how to use cameras and I was looking back and the very first video I did for YouTube was in 2008 for a section called Hype on the mic and I watched it today.

I think about this and I thought I mean it's a poorly amazing but we will play radio doing but we had a go and that was 2000 and I meant and YouTube only started in 2005 Instagram didn't start till 2010 the fact about video.

Is a new thing to have the audience tears episodes like we've been you know having to do it for ever again.

It's just a change.

Just a move all these different parts.

You know we need to get some with some of this all the other years split for Amazon Dublin down.

Talk shows being basically cross-platform.

I did think it's in a great place with the digital future that we talk about them.

Where is the production companies? Where is a broadcast it's quite a bit previously no Talent was subservient to their cast Masters they are not anymore.

I definitely not like the parasite.

That's going to go out, but it came out my eyeball and you know it's my dead body.

Yeah.

No that's the problem celebrity is everything I hate using the word Talent because I'm plies are clever and Jordan

No, no, that's become more than anything else and one of the worst thing two courses at 13.

I think the journalist or documentary makers or whatever and that's a you know me if I had that much income do you need cos you know the Starving rest of us, but don't worry and things that journalists or documentary filmmakers.

It's not really the commissioners went insane for celebrity frontier programs format celebrity.

It's like that not you know the used to this used to present thing talented filmmakers used to present thing and become famous now you have to be I don't know next reality star with a kind of an itch to scratch in you know why so and so happening you know women are treated badly by for fucksake, you know it's not stating the obvious but it's done with you know somebody famous and the famous from being on Love Island

Real fucking Talent sorry if that if they find that audience audience like them and Discover more on those platforms is on its way of doing Media rather than having a commission at the top of the challenges that should be followed the public yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I know it's difficult because because it's one of the terrible things like the celebrity obsession it gets worse and gets more than 50% of €150.

It's so much and the cruise people never get the it's a bit spiralling aspiring and there's no obvious stop you know it's you just have to get in bed with celebrities.

Release their the change of courses Talent lead formats Jamie Laing example production company seem to record what he does which is good, but then you know I think we put casting you still get a lot of people who on Celebrity is you know where could you say that Dominic Sandbrook and Tom are really slept well known celebrities before they started the rest is history.

They were well known in their Fields but forecasting it.

Can I mean? It's not an even playing field, but it can be more of an even playing field and I think that still exists I think telling has also opened up a lot for the Independent sector.

I think it's actually driven a lot of moves away from everything being with the BBC which over the BBC is really annoying.

But he's working with Talent to create shows together on shackled by commissioners the budgets of crap like there's nothing to do with nothing like TV they were shackled by it they were shackled by Talent being in these you know not be able to come out of the broadcast.

I'm actually has democratized quite a lot, but it's it's a different industry.

So just for the brake broadcasters ITV Studios have announced the new entertainment labour.

I had it by Lily Wilson and Tom Williams Stephen no name yet, but what's the colour slightly odd about this announcement will think about it feels a bit hard.

It feels like it's going to be a new company, but it sounds like the rebranding potato and 12 yd and PC keeps saying 12 yd, IP like it.

A draw in an office Plaistow Kingsley years and then somehow it should have just all dried up, but this looks like it to me it looks in from a chemical perspective.

It looks like ITV should have put it in one of their own that you missed the into a TV company in the commission more work from them to ITV so that's keeping the money in house.

That's how I look at it and didn't do all the people remained all the potato lots it around comes to be there keeping the talent, but I'm not sure I'm not sure at this stage.

I mean the depression pushing the new big names but whether or not this is a good thing.

I don't know cos it doesn't feel like it's picking to the BBC feels like they're putting straight back to on TV talking about the big formats everyone sort of abandon, the middle.

It's not coming back.

International shows that we can Ship Around the World out of the traitors and all that stuff is it there go at going right? Let's just try and do big yes absolutely it's nobody wants anything.

It's not a major you know global franchise type thing whether these two can do it who knows but it's also way of ITV not necessarily spending money unnecessarily on other independence, but I'm keeping it all the channels seem to be doing it now.

They seem to be all so you know can fight and for they're all starting to feel like this commission BBC Studios which is great if you're running goes network but terrible if an indie that's the problem you know you know their trying to get anything this lightly cosy back door relationship.

Seems a bit off to me and not being might be being horribly pretty this to you, but I don't think I am and still no one to buy a mole in the either.

Is bothering me and nobody would take a risk anymore you know 20 years ago when it was 10 years ago.

Maybe they were still buying people by individual producers and that's that seems to have gone forever.

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Not much though not actually dreadful well as important while I've gone but numbers are important any more apparently.

It's all about noise.

It's all about reached about whatever it's people talking destination next down not talking and that it's over hyped.

It's very expensive you know how many producers could they employ in the show 1000 it seems like but the format a mishmash of Awesomeness

Destination X being like you know previews are always kind of things like that international versions and chairs from this fair enough but from a view as prospective.

It's a load of rubbish.

It's you know.

It's around the world plus a bit of that one on the coach trip.

Love it sounds so and then you know and I am very jaundiced about this because you know you think you've been in the best 100 years old.

I've seen all these things before and I can still remember the other for this is it is if you making me for babies you know somebody never seen the traitors is going to go always until the inheritance great know it's a rip-off.

It's a rehash you know when is stranded on my mind shipwreck this bit like it's a bit like it's a bit like it's a bit like that technicians.

Do it now.

They they patched together little patchwork quilt of bits of formats and the viewers I think.

Ring a bit bored with it so destination ex quotes of a solitary lesson in that respect it hasn't done that.

Well.

I did tell you think is only about 20% of drift from the traitors.

So it's sort of yeah, but we didn't say what the numbers numbers don't matter at all.

You know they're not selling out in that class equipment do well.

Do you know me but this is the old-fashioned thing about writing diagnosis because people don't watch linear TV in the same way and one of the few people that still does you know people shocked when you go on I'm going home to what sort of what you know cos you can watch on your phone but that thing of it's been it does feel like it's been a bit overheight.

It's been extremely expensive expensive in Ireland but they super expensive a suck up.

I don't know 70% of the year's budget for the shows and if they don't hit immediately if you like flops whether this is going to be a flop.

I don't know English grow it could grow.

Comebacks got to come back when you can always get reconditioned cover the tracks for the same as big but it only rated when they repeated in the summer and students started watching it and Dad it's a lot shows have been not huge, but I've grown it so definitely could still be the next Big Show Chloe did you do destination next household for babies and I hate it when people reference their children represent the whole world.

I'm going to do that my kids loved it.

We struggle as a family to find stuff because I have a tour of your older 10-year-old in a 7-year-old who knows holes.

Forget the third one so they don't watch the same thing so that many things that we can watch which gladiators Destination X if I get an hour of Peace that I don't care what I'm watching funny things like these please.

They could be the right please they could be around episode 1, I'm not really sure what I just want to pick up and some other telly stuff for you Stephen format reboots non-stop Educating Yorkshire and back on C4

Radio coming out immediately take that but that the validity because education has gone to a massive change me people know talk about the children being promoted alien generation.

Cos they had to grow up through not go to school and got ADHD or whatever and so the idea that the school the same now as it was 12 years ago.

There is a rationale for repeated to me.

That's not doesn't feel like a cynical as reboot as most of these other ones cynical always a good word.

It was means that the closest don't care.

They just want an easy hit whatever that is not passion project traffic slightly different.

I think I have a a bit of a is only human there for you know.

Did you watch it? Have you know I will do then yeah, and it had a lot my heart.

These kind of shows aren't what's the weather in the wheel, but they show you real life.

They show your real honesty emotion xcetera great people those things are Timeless yeah, you know that that's why and all these other shity fucking super format we call them they're all for love reality show one of these are all doing the reality show you know I don't like her and these people don't exist to go on reality show they don't feel real.

Where is the reason that education has come back is because of adolescence.

Yes, Caribe marine gauged a different breed.

There is a generational divide generate leads to all covered just that think but also the mental health think people don't know now that the kids are doing the kids upstairs potentially you know communing with sex Peston and and paedophiles.

Rather than going out playing with the friends and Street so there's a kind of massive anxiety and parenting.

What are my kids doing? You know people still panicking then going off to university.

They're adults now of modern.

You know Madness apparently.

There is definitely a kind of services and need to show what kids are still like it's still the same.

Yes lovely but they gone through I get ITV showing the cameras on well back in the day job.

Take your mind off that as well.

We've talked a bit on the sure about the crater in the streets campaign if someone's in you listening even licked the quick one minute version of that one minute so we work closely with business and government government level you have to find creative Industries so film TV advertising fashion publishing anything you get everything called except for

An audio what else is a Midlands head of policy next week so really missing and I think that you know those categories are defined pretty much on how much money they make sorry you could look back x amount of years and they're ok.

Maybe it.

Was you come to now and you go bit more difficult than it both BBC and advertising on the radio and podcast yeah, if you think of you no audio books worth a billion podcasting worth who knows how much but a lot of money and if you add them all up together.

You're approaching a lot more that sits alongside those other industries in terms of what they do also a lot of global creative cultural influence of power wheels talk about what I want to be reckoned.

Does being launched the campaign at the start of the summer open letter letter to your MP adverts on Picasso please go to our website and sign those things are still going it's important so audio pro custom doesn't have a seat in the creative industry cancel makes a lot of influential decision at such as the creative Industries sector plan which came out earlier this year and that's where the funding and the money goes so you look at the creative Industries sector plan.

There's a mention in executive summary of podcast but then nowhere else in the entire however many 80 page document.

There's no targeted support.

There's there's nothing so see you in the creative Industries Council I have that influence audio book and podcast production tax relief similar reason.

There's a lot of reason for us to do it plans blah blah.

And just overall support in terms of having that influence at government level government just not realise I'm sorry we forgot to put you on the thing is it the existing one day we don't body else in our gang we can't like everything in the cash coming your way or bit of all of that.

I mean they have noticed because we've been going on about it for quite some time so certainly since I started 4 years ago and I know my predecessor did work around as well.

I know there's always a kind of size of hi, I mean I don't I don't know I think we have a joke where like every MP like has a podcast will have a podcast of the person that Lisa Nandy day after she's elected mayor after labour.

I'm sorry, where is she's on the rest of politics, but I'm sorry we can't support you.

So yeah.

Have a podcast like it.

Yeah.

I'm I'm sorted at the range.

Which doesn't take long for me to get to like everything have said but my hope is that they've just not realised her now.

They will and people support the campaign so I must just shout had a blank and he's our policy and regulation lead he's done a lot of work on it and Katie Bannon who does marketing frogs they push the campaign forward really hard.

Just go to the website or the UK and policy section or just Google open letter.

Have a look at our LinkedIn it's still there and we'll sort of coming to the end of the first push on it and we'll be packaging it all up taking it to various departments the audio Network Media quiz, let's see how much attention has been paid to the media news this week.

Ok this week's Grace is called Media SOS on DIY SOS garden SOS where we get a supply some old formats and brands and you can guess how they've been giving a glow.

Incredibly network has taken from producer Matt and she's come up with the entire suite of music to score today's game ok best of 3 buzzing with your name if you know the answer so Chloe you will say clery and Stephen you will say let's play media SOS this Media Mogul was in desperate.

Need of renovation.

Thankfully, Charlie Dimmock has a neat hack.

Thanks to a tonne of pembers members are thanks to a tonne of feathers indication for Pemberton Pemberton Stephen Pemberton

Play so this is Steve Pemberton League of Gentlemen actor who is now appearing in the hack which is a new drama all based on the hacking scandal at the world and he so that starring David Tennant's but also starring the pen as Rupert Murdoch Murdoch actor and I think the thing about that people don't seem to realise because he is his demonite so much that we don't know what it's like as a person and United with his daughter and what is he like you know because he's just a man doesn't have horns going at the apparently.

You know when you fell asleep and screaming but yeah, I know I saw the picture of the recreation of the government.

Looks like the select committee and that was the one where is is then wife when he punched somebody so remember that when she got punched out of somebody and it was like watching watching actual selectivity at Murdoch appear to be sort of love with sleepy old and then started talking in your nose when you realise this guy is not where he is out of you know just nothing he's a smart cookie but Pemberton and it's gonna have a chance to humanize in both give us an unknown character, so really interesting.

I'm looking forward to this.

Are you going to watch that kids will love it here to handy Andy can't believe this.

Batman ship everything has been wired up badly and the contractor seems to think it's one big joke.

Sorry I mean it could be is this the AI journalist ok, so as I understand it and please direct me.

There was someone who'd been submitting stories written by AI effectively affect journalist who had been published so no sort of that checking didn't pop into the has this been written by AI generated across a couple of different publications, then I start to lose the thread a little bit of something to do with an ex account and then someone came forward and said it was their mum's I was made up seemingly journalist and margaux, Blanchard

They can all pulled it then you throw on has popped up great name the guy from Nigeria has he just PC co-opting someone else's Bakery or is it is only fakery press Gazette have been investigating Blanchard believe that this still might be a hoax are final.big renovation imaginators from the start of an episode.

There's lots of wear and tear on this property from the 1990s.

It's one care.

What are you not is leaving.

Head gonna get stored in a tin somewhere and his long-running BBC Radio saying is about to finish no-one leaves anymore because they I mean people do I don't want it but it's my first thing ever it was like why you leaving just seems to have decided to leave just really tired of people don't go on forever episode the article said it was the first ever BBC podcast in great thing and very popular under 35 anyway.

I thought they were interesting.

It's a prime show does really well since you said there.

Are you ever going to find through the somebody who was on Love Island season ago? I'm not sure probably you Steven you can go find a greater influence of to present like to be your prices.

Thank you both for joining us also.

Thank you for your network support the quiz and remember if you need audio or music for your production get in touch with Alex at audionetwork.com audionetwork.com in the show notes as well, so it's working people find you when I'm not listening to you on the podcast normally sat outside railway station sterling big issues for now.

I'm basically in the ether.

You know I'm attached the small startup that don't seem to be doing anything and pitching ideas 80th to be working so I am around.

Are you popping up on times radio bit and I'm trying to be honest I'm available available for work and play by the rules.

I'm not very serious on there.

I think I probably should be it's probably not doing my career any good but my most recent post was a comparison of podcasting play.

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