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Your plus one to the club this week.

I've got to go for as I have assessed as most population is with celebrity Tracy it's got to be Alan Carr with this one because so hopeless but he is sort of just become a bit of a National Treasure he's played well the first episode after he denied his best friend in the back.

I thought that fit that somehow.

He's managed to come out of it even more esteemed and foremost loved and he was recording that's just before the finale so we don't know then if you haven't watched it yet.

Don't worry there any spoilers here.

So they really managed to balance it writes it dangerous for the celebrities to go on a lot of their time to feel you never quite know what the editor will sleep in or out so fascinating this time because

I'm not stressing about it.

Obviously time at ornament to be scrolling through and the Theory but the whole thing about unconscious bias, and how normally people can you know if you're not say you're an actor, where is Celebrity version everyone knows who they are and also some of them know each other but it's actually excruciating to watch that play out because there's a lot of people saying Stephen Fry fabulous and the very amazing TV documentation and plus absolutely helpless fabulously clever and amazing people but it's just been so brilliant to watch I've just left it for my executed well started.

I wasn't really interesting thing about this is I prefer the non celebrities because there's more disclosure you get to know more about the people that's true, but actually as it went on.

I came to love it and you're right the Jonathan Johnson Ross particularly good.

I thought he just took hold of the situation with me, but he didn't say please happened and I get down the Round Table they forget all the evidence and just talk and get it wrong every time.

It's been excruciating didn't have that much person.

I think it did you know that way and that those who were not really sure I've never been completely change who I think came into cheers.

She talks about being quite awkward socially but she's actually played blinder and that's why I'm it's cut through as an emerging celebrity to hold her own in a month the others so it's a jetsetter Paul Robinson

This week and who are you going to add as your plus one in the club? We'll have a chat studios in Jersey is actually that Evan spiegel because he's CEO of snap the parents of Snapchat it's only do with perplexity with the Startup AI company and they stop Rose 18% and basically many social media networks are behind on AI and this is giving the shareholders enough confidence to fight they will have a chance to catch up so 18% stop right.

I'm doing a deal with the start of pretty down clever.

I think there's a lot of cash coming from those AI deals on a lot of stock appreciation.

Do you think we're in a bubble or is it it's going to change the world so 12A well? Well, I was in Jersey I met a company there.

He doing some incredible things which I won't talk in detail, but I was my mind was blown scary because we all do two jobs, but I think that.

Carrie the bubble and the crazy phase but it will settle down and become a really interesting and useful tool if properly introduced into workflow ok in the moment does the BBC need a reality check this is an ad by betterhelp could I talk too much should handle that? What can I do today? I really like do that stop overthinking so let's talk about what's going on through the noise with qualified professionals and online therapy makes it convenient to see if it's for you visit betterhelp.com off your first month of online therapy in a world.

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That's what the sidemen manager has said this week.

He manages the super successful YouTube channel, but he told the Guardian the BBC needs a radical change to find young audiences.

I agree the BBC is trying to do that.

I think the difficulty for the BBC is a course the advocates are older and you don't want to lose that because because that really under my underpins the

The last year I think about 300000 households have stopped paying the licence fee so you know forget what licence for increasing get from this government.

You know if that continue the BBC really in deep do Jews in about 2 or 3 years time so it has to convince people on a course those who do not pay licence fee choosing not to our lives a younger audiences.

You just don't see it being relevant.

So I agree the BBC's got a lot more not only in terms of the content to create but also its distribution strategy and one of the other promise.

It's got his you know put stuff on YouTube but it doesn't get the points that he would realise it's BBC content so they're going to work out how to get advocacy for the BBC on content of these on third party platforms people.

Don't think it's BBC content but the problem that they just showing up bits of rather than making things for the YouTube audience for people who have that as their primary bid media consumption.

Yeah, I mean I love the BBC and I think Tim Davie is a really smart guy but you're having work.

It is so hard to change things there so many layers people would rather you do what they've been doing and when there are cuts in funding rather thinking ok? This is serious.

Why don't we are completely re-engineer what we do, let's rethink this let's do a different will be there to do something different do something else.

What they do is cut off limbs you know they cut they cut the countdown Newsnight all the things together really lazy way of doing things had a reduction in income in real terms absolutely but it's still getting 4 billion pounds a year which should be enough to run.

I would have thought a decent public service broadcaster, but somehow they don't seem to manage it there too slow.

They are not a technology properly.

They're not across the content that engages audiences if you look at your channel for YouTube more, recently Channel 4.

Via concert on there as well, are they doing the right thing and the BBC's doing what you doing YouTube 510 years ago.

They have had for being here absolutely a lot, but it's a 30% cut over the last 10 years as I'm in a massive cars.

I think they are provided in terms of universal service is enormous and there are lots of things going on at the original thing the sideman.

It's true that less than half a 16 to 24 year olds watch traditional TV channel for BBC and that is happening across the board Channel 4 are being more flexible adept the doing things.

They are quick as always have been however the BBC produce so much more and I would argue when you said are they just putting TV programme what is sidemen other than a source of bit of a big brother for a new?

I mean they're not new fight.

You know this one and anyone pull these formats work.

They're not packaging them right.

Maybe at the BBC produce so much.

I mean I owe money that reinventing things that ever existed in the past but I mean they're not bright people is good TV producers there as well.

That's all those people listening because it's a family consumption listening.

What is a bit of family consumption say yes to get the traitors that way but would have 17 18-year old even though new the traitors existed had Mum and Dad not dragged my eldest and he has just started work.

He only watch it with his girlfriend.

It's a really they love it.

He however having moved into his first flat wasn't going to get a licence for your mum thing I would.

And I was shocked the child my would consider not nothing at the moment.

I said but it's it's for his that.

I never watch things on my laptop and I said but it's better it's Denise it's the world service.

It's that all of those and he was sort of instantly commits and I think the wrong with the BBC is where are there advocates in the BBC what is going on we need to have every time.

There's a problem every time.

I'm going to talk about some of them that you know they always on the back for they're just not coming out with the messaging to deal with either the criticism but also to sort of say we need the BBC more than ever again sort of global forces of Mis and disinformation so to those great advantages need protecting and sort of the own not doing things right it seems slightly to miss a trick because I think they're doing much which is good genuinely.

Marketing packaging challenge more than content well.

I think time is right I do agree that this is you about that just mentioned.

I don't think people understand what they get for the licence fee I mean in radio.

We've always know that's been a problem.

I think Radio 3 is no idea of the licences paying for radio they understand the licence is not nothing so I think that has failed to really communicate value and what is a delivery and get some other traitors which you know I do think actually high percentage of young people watching it.

So you produce something really compelling.

What is that? Is that show somehow cuts across all Generations and classes? It's just gotta sort of a compelling nature which is about basically that humanity.

I mean no they started with their best of humans compelling nature.

It was transcends.

You know all of the difference.

Is that we have

Response to Yeovil in East world and mainstreams dead or is it the thing that actually proves that is the exception that proves the rule? I don't think mainstream is dead.

I think because this now so much you're going to get fragmentation.

That's inevitable but you look behave you get in households.

You know kids will watch stuff on their mobile phones and that's their stuff.

That's their their their influence on YouTube or showed a particularly like and then they watch some things with their families.

You know big movies big occasions sporting events families were watching traces together.

You know I bet they were they were you know it's about finding the shows but also communicating the value of the BBC delivers.

I mean rupaul's drag race has done quite a good job for young people but it's not enough it needs more and sometimes in the past actually to make a different point Radio 1 when it's delivering 1920 million listeners a week that to some extent was delivering young people.

BBC that of course has changed so BBC One's reach is no no longer what it was in a BBC One used to capture everybody doesn't anymore the point you just met and that's really why there's a problem BBC3 hasn't really delivered in a big way.

I just BBC choice was BBC 3.

I mean, it's also there's a thought about platforms and last 20-years all been about media company to reinvent themselves in creating a platform to success of iPlayer or similar things might other broadcasters has cleared that boat sail this sort of own should they all the bands and their own flat and just had to wear audiences are absolutely think all media companies should head to wear the audiences, but I think what we really talking about the value of the content that is produced.

I didn't mistake is to say well with the boat sales that platforms you know I think actually thinks of changing so far too much time supporting iPlayer also on the floor.

That time Rick be best spent actually not worry about all the infrastructure building your own destination and just going right let's be more tactical about where licence be paid that which we all know with YouTube YouTube platform in terms of content video content but the monetisation platform does not go back to the content producers, so why on earth if you're the BBC did you not put money in a fire into Leeds producing iPlayer and sounds.

I mean we can talk at length about value of both of those titles and you know in the past britbox, but that actually I think a platform where you do own the content the rights.

I don't think that's something to just give up like me now.

You have to be as we keep saying really adaptable because these things are changing so fast you know we haven't even thought about that sort of impact of AI and the way that consumption habits are changing.

I do you think it don't give that up in terms of platform, but obviously it's about the content and making sure you have the financial resources put into the right date advocates and some popped up with the British Broadcasting challenge.

Have you seen this so this is going to put their own pressure on on government to deepest Sighs the BBC and sort of spinach out into its own independent structure.

I thought I was involved in the mid-90s charter renewal when John bird with the DJ and trying to figure out how we going to get the licence renewed.

It's amazing how some of the new ideas in the apparently on the same ideas for 3030 years ago.

I think I mentioned as universality and funding cos everything linked together now.

I'm back to the platform point the James making I do agree.

I mean on one hand you could argue.

The BBC should be everywhere in a universality so therefore on any platform doesn't matter what platform is on.

What matters if the content brand out there can be no doubt they're just never platform you want the problem comes to funding of course doesn't it? And that is that we have BBC the BBC sounds we have the BBC iPlayer and you need a licence for you to access those and if you want to try cos you got have a licence fee to watch it.

So how do you Square that circle? Is it there is no there's no solution that has the funding I mean talks about rather wish washing solution of having a tax based on households about that.

Sort of the licence fee of not really that is exactly what the licence fee is there's no solution to the funding and as soon as you go down any road.

That is not universality of use then you can't lend money you need and I I don't disagree the BBC could have more money.

I don't have a problem with that my worry is that when you put more money is the BBC doesn't produce a better result is more Legacy practises more.

You need sometimes adversity produces greater creativity in Greater innovation, but I would not be able to be having more money or pay more for it if it's sold some of these issues never give up it's it's hold on it.

Are you still thing to I can hear all about funding? I thought what's interesting about it.

How much you this government needs to do something sorted for ambitious and whatever constituency.

They're trying to me the Independence of the BBC is absolutely something they should do you know the first labour with a massive majority which is failing to do anything really in the media space and I would do it whatever flavour.

You are just make it someone else's problem.

I mean it's supposed to be an independent and national broadcaster.

There is

Run by the government and it's it's Trust it's sort of the sense of people's ownership is so important and labour stood by and what does successive conservative government do things I mean I won't mention Nadine dorries, but you know this is successively Ludacris backroom deals and they could just make this you know they got five years.

They could say no actually we are going to agree with the thing about having proper independence not having this sort of you know terrible movement over who's going to be the chair and whether they wants rated civil labour.

Have a proper process like they do in America and do it now and I'll get so many brownie, but I know it's not the top of their gender but my god what is something.

You know they doing they are they say? Why don't you do it once more? I mean you know we are not going to be a country.

That's excels globally AI we don't have the space.

We just don't.

Broadcasting the BBC it's one of our greatest assets or it should be and yet.

They say nothing about it that quite light was an additional purpose.

They suggested the BBC have which is total of dispel misinformation and disinformation Avenue what changes said last census completely I want the BBC to be an independent journalist exhausts, you know I mean I want to trust the BBC journalism.

You know you don't know go know you want to know the BBC is you know as impartial as it can be and doesn't really good job and I really get annoyed when I see them disinvest thing in news because to me that's must be there number one purpose and they need be independent to do that so I do agree.

I don't know what the answer is and how you do it, but I do think an independent BBC is absolutely essential and I too want the BBC to survive and thrive.

Way we need it more than ever now and she said I'll go in a minute point about in American stuff on YouTube well.

Yeah, I get a point but I mean that's really hard going for bigger budgets, but she's right.

I do think that are our culture and the nature of the UK should be reflected back to itself to BBC CBBC Bath to the saying that it's important because a lot of UK consumer market and I think she has appointment was made 3040 years ago in the Hollywood in a kids channels came in with Nickelodeon Disney and Cartoon Network but it still is still relevant today so strong independent BBC reducing quality.

I think it might need to think about its purpose.

I mean it does seem to 1 foot tanks and every single lawn.

You know maybe some lunch.

We left BBC3 and really do the things it does superbly before you go to the earlier so in Canada they put up the final before it was here on on the streaming service.

People this this is one of the challenges of syndication and distribution great to get out there.

I think Australia taking celebrities pretty much nearly live as well, but it does mean don't have to troll yeah.

I mean it's one of those who did this and why did it but then I just basically get my head down today and not looking website try not to talk to me people so I want to watch it tonight the power as a former very rarely because at the beginning.

I think there's a sort of you can always watch on catch up, which I didn't saw newspaper headline about Tom Daley and it's completely desperate not to hear or see anything.

CTV ok when we return my the times have been burnt badly by the New York collection of course we in the media crap.

I'm moving constantly forward in this fragmented Media landscape.

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Start talking about what he thinks about them Danny and it doesn't why do they say but in a phone number and apparently, but they have never been in politics been having to do with democratic party in New York anyway writes the story which was instantly debunked by the real actual former governor de blasio.

He said I love Mum and I'm a big fan.

This is a lie.

X you know huge egg on face and I mean horrible sort of mistake that maybe was the giveaway that that was the second one at the first woman to win the quote for you.

Just listen and titles of a fallen for which is sort of fake AI spokespeople PR

Rated great work on this is a new thing you have to tell her that you get into inbox if you look at those chats about you know the sort of number of the wimpy are the number of people with John let me look at the number that reached for example.

So you actually Janice doing the work under such time pressure then you put in a I wear the ability of machinery to fake people same voices you know their trying to sort of with stand that it's going to be hard and awesome and the one campaign against the New York Mets are there now Oscar from the New York press.

Credibly positive profile in Vanity Fair you read it he I'm in the attacks on him which are now only going to get worse the amount of money that has gone against his campaign from supporters.

You know the whole of them and yet somehow.

He is reaching I was in New York for the weekend came back before he was elected the placards marathon of in New York I'm in his support is astonishing.

There was a 1 promo placard 100 phone Danny he has a real what's a get out now.

It's going to get harder from now on he's going to be in office, but I think his management at the media which is to be basically play against him to his own thing always have the trump doesn't he says I'm going to ignore the media coverage the New York Times and very anti at the beginning.

I'm going to ignore that I'm going to do my own things during a couple of things a lot on the show.

Scott Trust congratulations, is it strange to sort of swap sides, but you were used to work in with the staff and they working with the boxing out.

It's actually marvellous.

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I should have went in and the head of security officer have there for 18 years on the staff and they gave me a hug it just felt like coming home tonight, but I said about BBC I feel that about the Guardian we need independent global Media operators that are owned by people that place for that, but you know I want the Guardian to survive and thrive and I think it's in a good place anything I can do to help your book you will never see it again the Barclay Estate survival disasters survival secrecy in succession available now.

I mean that very never stops the Telegraph it's the paper the paper arguing with their future owners.

Can somebody just do this as an extended drama that was amazing.

I mean you know now.

They're gone back into the paper to talk about them pressure coming from Derry cardinalli the you know after 2-years the closest we getting to an actual buyer.

You know there's a deep upset on the newspaper floor the other hand there seems to be no other option is Lisa Nandy seems like the preferred option to sort themselves.

That was never really the plan never wanted but we are we are in a bit with Abu Dhabi having possible that money in trying to get some of it back and you know we now and it's division again where two and a half years after it was seized from the Barclay brothers enormous Ted's the Telegraph is yet again in a situation that seems to be about to be in and they're going to get loaded on it again, but not entirely clear what's going to happen, but the sort of interregnum hasn't.

Charlie happy for anyone really is it sensible to argue with the new bosses like what do they think the opportunity to think there's a another white night to come and save them is you think there was white night? They would have come up for the 17 other times to buy as you also can't think it's point of that because of you think this isn't the right thing is something needs to happen, then you probably do go uni you do go public with it.

Which was obviously what they have done the balls in the court Lisa Nandy you know I break the last night.

Was it a few weeks coming this has been going on for a long time but I write a few weeks ago, but they were in fact.

It was Tony Blair who allowed the Barclays to buy it without any public interest enquiry whatsoever in 2004 probably going to happen again.

It's tricky because it's you know we've had the Quran say interference sacked over the amount of money that can be put in by weather Abu Dhabi or China you know that so there is public interest and I think it is in a lot of interest from the the right use it as a right wing organ import important one and the bed now backwards to the rules in and do whatever I wanted and stop making another decision because the games changed again because you think of things like the power of social media so and formerly known as Twitter and the power that had in terms of governing debate obviously so much more fragmented environment however, why do very rich people want to own the titles.

It is not to make money is to influence decisions and public opinion and so that is a matter of public interest I think so transparency.

Of course we're going to have made your anus.

We always have always had an involvement of sometimes, but having transparency having a tutorial standards these things do matter because otherwise we just don't give up and be x and what is Errol place strapping? Let's see how much time should I get to in pain to the media news this week this week quiz it's called.

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