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That's nothing in this edition of the media club come on in high great to have you back Clive welcome to the daytime australia-uk exchange scheme Selsey your membership now.

I confirmed he would you like to to bring into the club with you this week? I'd like to bring in Jensen one, who's the founder and CEO of NVIDIA because this week created a company that for first time ever has been worth 4 trillion dollars in last 6 days the largest company to ever existed and probably the largest company that lot of hours.

A few years ago so from 0 to 4 trillion.

I think that gets a membership for the gold to the gold tier amazing journey for that something that was relatively boring or in certain sectors.

Obviously AI has transformed the necessity of GPUs in don't make themselves and he makes them all so everything you do in Genoa is all down to gentle news founders and owners of the although different Foundation layers and absence of on top of it, but you're wondering who is responsible United no sense of the MEN Arena for your membership.

I was told ages ago and then didn't act on it and now I probably should have acted on it earlier but anyway so I want to bring in rear Hebden Who

Was given an honorary doctorate this week for her work with diversity and inclusion for women in TV and she was given an honorary doctorate from Brunel University and then I also want to talk in one extra which is DJ AG online and he basically started off just with his text in Brixton would just play nobody on the street.

Just to bring happiness and now he's videos of huge online and he gets huge artists like burna boy and Tinie Tempah and Will Smith and all these people for free outside King's Cross and the videos of brilliant content creation and it's not back to talk talk about today.

It's every single sector when somebody dies and if you're telling the following those YouTubers just like used to follow being on Graham Norton sofa.

3-years ago and he said a bit like him videos that you know he literally he would just stay persistent.

He knew what he wanted to do he's goal and then just with the reason why you said the change in how I consume media and stuff.

It's just it's just blown up and you know sometimes you just have to be the in the right place at the right time and stay focused that right place clearly King's Cross station.

Yes ok the MasterChef debacle take another turn on Tuesday with Greg Wallace John Torode sacked following for the misconduct allegations which he denies ahead of film and TV charity Marcus Ryder said this week, but freelancers feel unable to call out toxic behaviour is that right? Is it still right? Yeah?

100-percent I've been a freelancer for 20 years and you know it doesn't matter how seen you get or anything there is toxic behaviour there from big companies that have all these things in places where you have all these training and stuff, but essentially you don't there is a toxic environment and the thing is a lot of people are afraid to speak you are giving avenues you giving you know a charity numbers and this and that but actually not a lot of people use it and it's you know TVs gone back to the type of recruitment where you hire who you know if there's a rumour or your name's murder it just spreads and you're not tired.

It's not worth the hassle.

Yeah, it's just it is really just I just don't get involved with that cos I've got my own for a two player.

Even if you do speak up nothing is done until after when actually what I really thinking and what you what would happen in any other companies outside of TV is that you would have to talk if you felt that you were booked being bullied or something was happening.

You would have to have that chat straight away and then be a procedure while what I feel happens in TV is that you make a complaint if you do actually get that far and but there's no time and made in the door and then you may have a debrief after if they do anything just telling imbalances that you can't really talk all the time because they are essential to the production so I think that's enough screen so like yeah, I've had it in shows that I worked on last year's well again.

Yeah, it is you are filming with Talent and they can behave however they want to behave and

Play get a like.

Oh, you know they didn't I saw that I didn't treat you very well, but you know they're a bit of an idiot, so well.

We carry on sorry about that, but you have an upset that's the most will get there will never get spoken to unless it's a big thing where you know.

There's loads of people complaining about them, then they get cancelled but then they come back.

Let me know if you didn't the other end of that same Absolute Radio capital before their labour Australia 7 stereo and you work with lots of big Talent it requires different strange odd management optimistically least they're there is an action being taken on people have been suspended lost their jobs, but clearly not he's being and not fast enough and I think the single.

Gonna take care accountability they really need to find a way that particularly in a vulnerable youngest off in this case freelancers can and non Amos Lee off bad behaviour without feeling that they will be not coming up for that sounds you know it's it's it's absolutely and he's to be more time or and over budget gone into this then.

It's clearly happened in the past and hopefully won't be talking about it too much for the future, but I fear it's just too slow we return the topic a lot on the same sort of things are discussed in a media world where it more complicated is tougher TV companies radio networks all those things that make even harder to tackle their big names you bringing the cash when there are these issues.

They really are untouchable because of the finance never really bullied.in Ident

Touching a super humans and humans and where the popular talented person on or off screen.

No one is above the law no one should people policies and no one should my other people feel this way so still don't understand the business logic of hits and stars and Talent but this is just basic table Stakes treating your people better and I think there is so much more to be done and then ultimate leaders have to be accountable when they don't create a safe place.

Have you had to tell anybody that's a hoot to tell anybody that is absolutely many decades love many country is a many companies and I think it's in my responsibility on many occasions.

What's that? What's their bottoms for Men Behaving Badly sometimes? It's they can be a house on the outer body experience where they not even aware there.

Terrible behaviour is having this impact on people you know and then so that's the first as a bit of sometimes a bit of shock often.

I know that's no misinterpreted or and environmentally crate in a production area whether it's a studio or a set or a location in his nose is a sort of magical place.

Where people come together work long hours the huge dress tight budgets and in Ireland in a little there is some some chemistry there which is needed but not but not that type of chemistry.

So it's you know.

It's really about acting pharcyde finding if you have somebody who is and clearly I reported behaving you sooner.

You can get someone had a senior level and side of the heart of most of it and I believe people are good people and they need feedback we all need feedback.

We all need constant training we all need reminding and actually that and

Stars in The Big Planet of the same, it's just really when you let that baby become normalised that's when it becomes harder.

So they got a home of a series in the in the can with him with his way through except for an in the final.

What do you do with that series and I play with just iPlayer cos something sometimes.

It doesn't matter anymore shouldn't when you can somebody definition of be having that I think about Glastonbury you know thankfully.

No one said I will don't worry they only on a livestream on the iPlayer they said it on the BBC the BBC as they tell us everyday is everyone and so is broadcasting your streams.

It's in the BBC so I can't see how they can personally I think the keys in question is those contestants who don't get to tell their story that so how do you sit down and do you do the whole competition again with them with new judges? I think.

Black person can't see.

How are you can now particularly with both individuals having the accusations.

They shouldn't if you got someone that you know has had 40 plus upheld and then somebody else that yes, they may not remember using a very offensive racist term but they have they shouldn't be on TV this should be held accountable to the people who made the activation or maybe the other people in other delusions who didn't want to say something.

What does it say to them and does it say does it encourage them just pick up watching nothing up in the show still went out that we'll see what happens to the BBC News up to the highest ever BBC Studios live why they doing so well.

I think I've always been supportive of the BBC Studios I think I don't really know star basis.

We should be taking a 20-year plan to find out how we can go.

Leicester the world to fund our domestic abuse service that should be a 20 in north Star which means I've got a long way to go because that means I've got to generate £4000000 with the prophet out of rest of world.

That's an extremely large amount of money, but I think they're trying to get to 10 or 15% of 300 million and Tom and Tim between them Tim she has up Thomas taking it to next week, then.

I think I accept your thanks now because of course Australia is blurry is is really a big part of that so thank you that you were a contribution of Lily to this service team supported the initial production of it someone with experience as it was Australian went back and kind of created it and then make some suggestions on the BBC happened to take.

Yeah, I didn't have the money that I should have actually been on Australian public service investment so we know we've handed it to our friends in the colon.

Is that it's that the ABC past and pretend the broadcaster only and and the rest is history, but the other factors other than blue of course.

It's a little bit of financial and because they acquired the other 50% of britbox in the year for 215 million pounds of cash and they're booking 100% of the revenue in the financial year, so which is 5200 million of the number is but there was a lot of cash going out to allow some revenue to go.

I'd like to see them a little bit more of a little bit too much wiggle room around even done.

You know cos there's a lot of depreciation and amortisation that can come out of that before actually helps to fund.

The reasoning is great story, let's actually have a KPI which actually talk about how much cash comes out about sorry bedaya is a financial engineer profit and is exclude lots of things so I'm on time you can tell it properly previous Doctor Who as a whistle Gardens that's a big thing that generates a lot of cash have they got enough hits 225 properties that are doing right over 80% of the revenue and therefore we just we just got to keep turning over that investment we got to keep finding a model that will allow people to find ideas and in an app brings back to the other challenge with circular saw the other end of the pie.

They had the largest amount of UK households, stop pulling the licence fee.

Rena juicy wiggle BBC Studios are involved.

Is there more cash for Productions hears it does it mean there's more money or don't really see it, but they are doing well in the changing with the markets.

Are they doing focusing on more cannon podcast so you've got violins one and you've got Lily Allen and miquita Oliver got Tom grennan and Roman Kemp so I think they are trying to call that use market, but that is with very very cheap cheap content so I think they are turning out but essentially that's a very very low budget show and the I think I've mentioned this before but you've either got the huge hits like the Strictly and gladiators and stuff and then there's no and now it's there's no middle.

Reality the other end as well and also like the time time frame that you get to lead into a shelter film The show all of that stuff edits as well.

I've been squeezed left right and centre.

So you really long hours the pressure the stress it is great to make content and I've just made a new show for BBC which was a which I was really but again that was tiny budget tiny tiny team but you wouldn't think it is television a television changing and his right this sort of low-end and high-end doing well.

You're high end credits here in the UK the middle of sort of disappeared selected freelancers a lot.

Toshiba TV companies BBC Studios is entering a time when yes, there's more television out there, but there's more people making it at the same time.

I have the BBC Studios invented at the wrong time to do really well, and I think I would have been great to see the strategy is executed earlier.

I'm totally but I think actually we do see some of that investment screen.

It was very noticeable with the recent series of Doctor Who that was on screen noticeable the bag does show wasn't nearly as big as they would hope for that follows Seasons but they definitely there was a reinvestment there wasn't making its way to your but definitely on the screen you seen them and pay warm and supportive of for abb.com and there is also has been courage by on the statement around some of the Independent Productions either wholly owned or Investments producing content for other broadcasters and Clerkenwell films and the baby example so

Actually doing pretty well in a pretty tough market and we should continue to be there champion because it's important to our culture.

How are you mentioned earlier about her licence fee payers so the 300000 less of them of course.

It's been a big change that you can still watch television and not pay licence for you.

Just can't watch any live TV or on demand TV from BBC iPlayer I'll be there in a top places where big transferring comes through 2050 million quid and not going to the public service and and they're gonna be able to turn that tired is a big debate on this isn't it like it's a 100-year old model this licence and with you know paid for subscriptions and then add best streaming services and stuff and then all these are the platforms and tiktok making their own shows on YouTube and everything does feel and I know like you've talked about all the money stuff like all the business model.

I know it's a lot more complex, then I can get my head around but I do think it needs to change somehow because I just think year-on-year especially you know it's going to rise with inflation and it's just going bumping up and I just think people who just going to see why am I paying for it to opt-out of all now and younger audiences and they give me some data off come next week as well.

You use real-time on YouTube not to consume.

Perhaps we used to be of miscible and immiscible of legislation recently where it's obviously it on the positive side include consumption of iPlayer live and on-demand, but they didn't make my mother's should like she's a man and she get people coming to court for non-payment and it was like this is a complete waste of the courts time for low-income and have you actually looking two numbers and had a look you know there's some very interesting.

Demographic holes here the reality is the nations and regions particularly the nations are all the problem.

You know the biggest cohort of decline is in Northern Ireland for example and then after that it's got London after that is while so actually London compliance is actually really stable the perception is the London is getting down because here we always love to talk about myself, but he actually it's the numbers are really simple.

She is really got to think about how it how it becomes your BBC if you're in Londonderry now, it's your babe and that's in a rabbit all aspects of that don't have a magic wand but actually this is this is very quiet big demographic shifts and Geographic shifts and then of course the demographic shift is that younger markets who are going hang on a second.

This is a discretionary income.

I've got my ad funded cheap Netflix and I've got my

Without YouTube premium between those two services of your low-income young household, dad is an amazing array of content and and I think they could be there and actually read or something last thing is it this qualification to pay it so I looked into this thinking of you know I don't like you.

I won't buy anything now that sits up a you know where the love at a website you still can't buy as far as I'm aware that the licence fee on Apple pay, so I think about how lot of those 300000 is because God how do you do you do online etc? So you just it's like a billing enquiry and come to see me for a building company with 100 million paying customers my last employer no worries obsessed about rambling the sometimes the looking at the the root cause might be something completely different.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of those 200000.

I would just forgot I just find it too hard.

More things in those places of those demographics is that is that going to fix it as that bit of a sticking plaster is it more fundamental? I think it's more fundamental.

I think it's because you know if they commission stuff that works within those Nations then again.

It might not work everywhere else so I think that you know you are just putting a little I think I just need to look at it as a big hole say throwaway comment we're open to funding mechanism beauty the government wants to talk about obviously advertising subscription doesn't really work but everything else is fine is very very much elves donations NPR modern government grant.

Station in I've been around long enough where I think my ex many charger and you'll in my career and and we should have went all Roundhouse Leeds time.

I went back to the least worst so I wonder whether that's going to happen again, but I do think we need to keep looking and and seeing whether that's a better, but no one today.

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He was just giving a press campaign for his new bookshop of the news confessions of a troublemaker take the story of his time working for Rupert Murdoch the engineer has called it a bare knuckle read perhaps one for the sun loungers this summer and Bob Mortimer is back to see if you have last one laughing.

It's been announced the Amazon Prime hit has yet to announce its new contestants, but will be bringing back Mortimer perhaps making competitive comedians Think Twice about taking part.

Did you watch it? Did you watch the show I was upset by that I've worked in comedy and 7 and 4 to see a current temperature to do so well and follow small stream.

Amazon isn't always the one that gets talk about it was really reason for it and it made people laugh cos now it's all murder documentaries and dramas and like stuff and this was funny and it was great to see comedians be funny, and it was just a bit of light and I thought it was brilliant and it's the first time.

I think we've got binged and then he'll two of them away from Amazon and just congratulating because I thought it was fantastic also very efficient.

Single day she doesn't really matter they went for it because you know you don't get that level of comedians for nothing.

So you know the word of spread and there's lots of comedians are actively wanting to be on the next series and put it was it was fantastic and you know little clips till now pop up on Instagram and it just makes me laugh and smile so I think it's great when I saw it I like the store game with this cause my perception was house and then we sat down and watching it all my gosh so it's just proving I'm bored in the Casting is and the cultural and it was just incredible and I love to.

The coming in Saturday clear, I am in so much.

It was it was amazing and I will see your number one maybe we'll see her much more successful second series of the person as well, Norton I think hosting quite hit the Marquis then coloured pretty well.

These great great cars together.

I don't know why it just didn't it.

Just didn't do as well because if you suck those Irish comedians into the the one with Jimmy I'm sure they'll probably but yeah, it was just one plastic and I think Bob Mortimer as well.

Had a real life online.

He was one of the most talked about and I know that even after I watched it went down there a shooting Stars clips about 2-hours which was great so I

Have you here in the UK mainland, Australia now? Is it fun to fun to be back and see you because of his family at the end of its incredible 5-week trip been 100 meanings that talking about the role of genotype plays in the credit Industries and from New York to Nashville london-edinburgh, Birmingham Berlin Wall and because we're a new company and we are complete clean scan.

We are not found any Indians we don't have any Foundation clients and therefore it's in God of War people tell you and I won't break those confidence is but it'll be the only time when you get to do that imagine having to be able to talk to every single media company in one trip and that's why I spend so long.

This is so big job.

It's Absolute Radio in the day after quite a long history of radio here then you'll sort of swap size to Australia Southern Cross austereo to get some sort of a similar role in radio comedy really come out some TV as well.

Fender tele dental telecoms see if you wanted it was the best of all it was nominated in the women's World Cup team the currency for the bring that on to Australia than becoming the main headline sponsor the turkey then have it all the exclusive rights and sublicense rebuilding the content delivery network and the 5-day forecast in the studio and amazing Matilda only beat in the semi-final by the amazing lioness is it was 20 million of 7 million Australians experience the women's world cup and it was nothing and I keep there is no way as a global event with that type of purpose as well.

Cos it's not so much more exciting it was like that's it.

I'm out and in own.

There is no job number for and now I want to memorise the Italian experience company want to bring all of those decades.

Because all of those countries television telecoms radio audio to our clients with this incredible general economy, that is changing everything so this is added onto everything whether it should be or not people have different different views on it and something else.

It is very threatening others embrace.

It has a password.

Do you think it's going to have what kind what kind of effect you thinks going to have on the media sector not you know it's it is electricity electricity was discovered before we knew about electricity with lining at the ground.

It was it start fires and people would go look at that electricity and that and people died, so we've got these them some people have this year of what we call a relentlessly optimistic view about the combination of artificial intelligence with your intelligence makes a better society that is are optimistic view.

We're only talking.

The industry that can use it for growth.

We're leaving all the others to work out.

How it can be used for efficiency and and that's really resonating in that first meeting it's that a growth Focus and how it enhances the credit for a TV company or a complete means you can access so many different markets you can break down so markets you can really launch new businesses on the services and products much quicker much cheaper and you know without having to raise huge amounts of capital so the real category does explode is the Jhene apps category and these are the app to action on actually owned by the largest.

What's what's a relatively new term for which stands for agenda today? I really only became used from Thursday November 10th 2022 wine.

Never 20-22 cos that was the day that Sam Altman said yes, let's released chachi BTS the world and at that moment when we realise it or not now, then the world changed and what they been around but then now been any years ago.

Jenny that course it started an absolute Arms Race everyone that but I did they already development die tryin' was already developing something and top it with something deep secrets of everything something.

X I was developing something and everyone is started and I'm sorry son that Gold Rush dad's only 20-years ago, so no always be aware of the Jhene AI expert turn on years of experience including this one so it's it's Dad is doing that electricity let you know we now have electricity in everything.

We do I think it says he's an interesting analogy we can't imagine a world without electricity and we have soon right by imagine a world without how I can make us a better Society investing in some services.

The voice to people and people building apps of on top of some of these things that may be people bit more familiar with like Gemini people really confused by all the terms in the layers, but really it simply has three letters the 1 layers that Foundation layer which is the alarms these are brands that are not that well.

No like deepmind like open ai ai llama and in the apps that has of names are the ones that are predominantly owned by the same people of Foundation as which of course is chat to beatties and Co pilots and Gemini that is not wear the innovation is happening where the innovation happen is the next later we should the Jenny I rappers an app that are not owned by the large language models.

They are dependant on one of them, but they are solving complex business problems without having to have all of that infrastructure and that's exactly how the

Exploded on the on the back of the internet in the 90s the internet existed for years is the weather was open source to move saw that has exactly how mobile apps exploded because all of the mobile app.

We love and not owned by the people who manage to factorise smartphones are the operating systems and now the sending apply the solutions are we seeing that will change the world are not necessarily the coming from the foundation models and now the Foundation of the university's deliver because they make an order of magnitude more money.

I was selling to what's called tokenisation to the generous than actually making some description of the plumbing plumbing on the yeah.

It's like loud.

It's like computer and it's called tokenisation in this area and there are literally thousands of new gen AI companies be Incorporated every single month across the world thousands.

We are only at the beginning of it feels busy in complicated then, but love why don't people in in media?

Over the past few years the jobs have changed disappeared.

What should some of those people who are great colors creative minds, what should they be learning about a I'll or what things should be interested in to help them the skills to fly this new world is the people some people seem to be making the same mistakes over again.

No people telling me they've got 10 people in a highly paid trying to work it out.

That's not how you do that sounds like how you make Chitty Bang Bang fly.

You know that was a film that was on the documentary.

So now you have to really look at what I will probably need to solve and and you will find agenda app that will help you do it and it isn't complicated but businesses are spenny up proof-of-concept Showcases test and lions and actually of course you need to just alone but you just need to test and learn around these apps and and these apps are incredible and some of the most famous ones that are not owned by the Light

My journey and is incredible product of Sweden good lovable which Parade some beautiful websites and it's it's a formal and fastest-growing and the principal to really look what's called Eileen AI principal ji apps following Eileen AI principal, what does that mean they basically means these are they are businesses and their solving complex problems that they have hardly any head counting resources in a one of the businesses we breasted in has got 100 million of gross market value going through transaction has two 18-year old stuff.

There's any l for 9 months and I got any more people that is the ultimate lean AI principle and if you want to read more about that.

There's a there's a lean-agile leaderboard that I'm pretty much every day think I'd like a podcast Frank and it's basically due which of these companies are growing the fastest with users what they raise money but also how little capital their deploying in the lane environment and that's what's really exciting if you've got a good idea.

To solve the problem actually you probably got the ability to create something.

I mean it's you know and that narrow problem-solving in the title define problem the better you think about airbnb and uber have no it wasn't until the arrival of the mobile internet and smartphone the App Store the both of those found at all.

I can they didn't need to end the cars.

I didn't need to take the hotels.

It feels very normal but actually with two-sided marketplace 92 mobility in a two-sided marketplace around where I'm going to stay so these are now decades alright, but it's a similar principle now.

So what is my actual slither of the problem and it's all rested in is a bitumen business small business and they've gone really help solve the German businesses can invest in our people and their marketing and media case their contact more as well and drive it that way so that I found a smaller that use case and the mortality to find it.

The more excited and where does that's it with you anime background and you look at the temperature in some of them are perhaps not the most shiny Concepts for the solving real problems when you look at all that work using telecoms inteleon and audio.

Do you think I've got 50 problems that can be solved by something? I think something might have learnt after many years has the potential to have somebody that has been a bit of a connector and know enough about technology to explain to technologist what the caves are saying another that creativity to explain to the credits what the technologies that connection and whether that connection is to a board member and investor a creative technologist actually having a combination of art and science stories and software human intelligence and intelligence is actually our secret sauce and actually growing up in that in an industry away, but always that's also problems particularly in radio.

That was always the underdog in the media mix never had the same money never had.

Time in access to resources is something that even stay in the big companies is really works, but really it's the really that respect for the credit crisis and the respect for the credit process end with the story United creative technologist, who is Ryan a prompt or riding code there? They're tallaght to credit people as well, but they may come across a present very differently to be passing following.

What does so good luck with a jealous of your recent work even up in Inverness working on three different series of the telephone about it and reveal the secrets.

Yes, I'll tell you anything which is really hard for me because I tell people everything but I can say that they were all amazing and they will be incredible to watch and I know that there's celeb.

Version which is the first UK sign version there will be a lot of hype around it and a lot of people are very excited because the castle incredible so yeah, it will be great to catch a couple of people who are in it and they will kind of Capstone but we all had a great time being involved often invite celebrity specials the quality of a celebrity is always super high but with this is really wise is it just goes they all of the show a lot of them.

Yeah, I think it's the game everyone is playing it for the game.

There's no you know sub stories or there's no this or that eats the game and that is it and because it's like psychological game.

So you have that challenges to do that I can lie to everyone everyday it easy and then when you're in it.

You'll see what happens to your gallery series OLED first celebrity traitors and then welfare exact for you can US series after that what it was actually brilliant been the one of the gallery series that it is was great because it's what I've done.

It's editorial fantastic, but being one of the welfare exacts.

I got to see a completely different side to it and that was basically it's everything we need for krobus.

It's it was we had a whole team of Fantastic people like the team were incredibly talented and they look after all the the it is whether it's down to knowing that.

Applying with a football will make them less stressed to how they feeling how they doing are they ok? Are they to reversed? You know all of this kind of stuff it? It's like it was just being it was like being a parent on on for 24/7 and it was great because we've had some really really amazing messages and especially from the US because apparently well.

There's not a thing in America founded that basically that there was a team in place that were there to be there for them off can of on and off-screen and yeah Anna and Sara and and the whole team were fantastic and really really great to change how you work on other shows having fun assistant.

And also cos you know sometimes being in the editorial side you can just be like oh yeah, what's the delay? We we need to hurry up and get it but actually the seen that side of it.

You do get to see and you get to see the effects that you know filming those long hours and being part of a really intense shower has how many version of the traitors over the summer holidays, what should I watch my remember? What's the keeping? I'm going to keep in mind we actually played our own version of the Virgin was going on and it was so fun.

It was so fun.

So you need to be you need to have a Claudia so you need to do that you need to.

I think about how you pick your photos because as soon as the game starts even before the game starts people think they know what you're thinking.

So you just I think the best thing is you've got to keep people guessing so if you doing it.

Have you missions rather you need missions but also have you little twists a little twist in there yet.

I'll be very very fun.

I got very involved.

I nearly blew it within the first minute cos I didn't realise that this random group that had been added to was the traitors group.

I was with my colleague on the other side of the office.

What is random, but yet was I got busted because I did a murder in Plain Sight and I left a trial but it was very good looking forward to that.

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I think you both sort of one that so you can work together on an AI problem that we can solve next next time thanks for both of you for coming along this week.

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