Should the UK close down the TV networks to allow for more mobile broadband?

From the Digital UK Press Office today:
A new report published today reveals the major economic benefits that Freeview and other terrestrial TV services deliver to the UK.
The report shows that the country's most widely used platform returns nearly £80bn to the economy and challenges the view that mobile broadband delivers more value from airwaves than television.
The findings come at the start of a year when crucial decisions about the future of free-to-air TV will be made by policy makers in the UK and EU. Just over a year after digital switchover freed up capacity for 4G mobile broadband, a further shake-up of the airwaves is being considered to release more spectrum for the mobile market.
Commissioned by Digital UK, the report by media and telecoms consultancy Communications Chambers sets out for the first time the economic and social importance of digital terrestrial television (DTT) which delivers broadcast channels for both Freeview and YouView - and is watched in three-quarters of UK homes.
Headlines from the report include:
- Evidence of DTT's vital role in supporting UK broadcasting, driving innovation and investment in programme-making while keeping consumer costs down
- DTT provides nearly £80bn* to the UK - significantly more than previously estimated - and supports 15,000 jobs in broadcasting and independent production
- New economic analysis showing that DTT delivers more value per unit of spectrum than mobile broadband (see notes)
As the largest free-to-air TV service, DTT creates healthy competition between platforms and ensures viewers can access public service channels without subscription Digital UK and its members (BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Arqiva) are urging government to ensure any further transfers of airwaves do not weaken Freeview and other terrestrial TV services, and that viewers should not suffer disruption or foot the bill for making the changes. In a joint letter accompanying the report, Tony Hall, BBC Director General, Adam Crozier, CEO of ITV, David Abraham, Channel 4 CEO and John Cresswell, CEO of Arqiva, stress the importance of terrestrial services such as Freeview in ensuring the UK remains a world leader in television.
Jonathan Thompson, Chief Executive of Digital UK, said: "This report sheds new light on the value of DTT for viewers, the UK television sector and wider economy. With increasing demand for spectrum it is critical that DTT remains a strong proposition with the same coverage and range of channels viewers enjoy today."
Copies of the report can be downloaded from The Value of Digital Terrestrial Television in an era of increasing demand for spectrum [PDF].
Notes
*£79.8bn, calculated on the basis of ten year "net present value" (NPV)
New economic analysis: The report estimates that the average value per MHz of spectrum for DTT is 50% higher than that for mobile data and that the marginal value (the unit value that might realistically be reallocated between DTT and mobile) may be even greater. The report estimates the marginal value of mobile data per MHz of spectrum to be £0.19bn compared to £0.47bn for DTT.
4:50 PM
MikeB: I think you've summed it up quite well. The latest figures I've seen put digital radio (all methods combined) at 45.3% of all radio listening and is expected to reach the Government's 50% target next year, which should lead to a date being announced for a digital radio switchover. I expect we'll find out more about the future of DTT and radio for the next few years once the BBC's charter renewal is finally completed.
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7:15 PM
Yeah as always it does,nt matter if anybody wants to use something that is perfectly ok they have no say in the matter. I agree technology moves on but mainly when big manufactures learned if they made something that last for a long time people stop buying and sales dry up. So we had normal tvs, then wide screen then hd and low and behold now everyone has hd nearly. Time to make everybody believe they have to have super hd But even before we get that up and running the next upgrade is just around the corner. We are told something is old or tech speak " obsolete" but it ain,t it is just big companies want more and more profits. Just imagine if the likes of apple only bought out a new I phone every 5 years?? End of the world
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7:48 PM
"no technology lasts forever" is an exaggeration. The wheel remains very popular despite maglev and sewing of clothes remains popular despite alternatives.
Technologies do of course get made redundant when better technologies appear, but this should happen by natural economic forces not by government intervention. I have seen no convincing argument why DAB is BETTER than FM and can present many why it is not. NB I have no wish to ban DAB; I just object to my preferred transmission method being banned. If broadcasters choose not to provide transmissions so be it, but don't ban them.
I am not worried about the end of Freeview as nobody could conceive of relying on Satellite TV which is prone to fail when there are storms and is a monopoly with inadequate back-up if Earth hits a thick patch of asteroids.
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9:58 PM
J Martin: 'I agree technology moves on but mainly when big manufactures learned if they made something that last for a long time people stop buying and sales dry up.'
Most tech formats start to vanish when either something better but cheaper comes along, or when the market generally (and that means consumers) lose interest. You might still want to use that cassette player you bought in 1979, but your not going to be able to buy any new music on it. Consumers started to move over to CD's, and the music companies followed them - they might still have released music on vinyl, cassette and CD for a while, but if no one wants to buy that album on C90 any more, what is the company supposed to do? And lots of formats never quite take off - think of minidisc, etc.
steve P: 'Technologies do of course get made redundant when better technologies appear, but this should happen by natural economic forces not by government intervention. I have seen no convincing argument why DAB is BETTER than FM and can present many why it is not. NB I have no wish to ban DAB; I just object to my preferred transmission method being banned. If broadcasters choose not to provide transmissions so be it, but don't ban them. '
In the case of technology, its often not just through natural economics - pretty much all modern mass transport has been shaped by government in one way or another, be it rail, cars or aviation. And broadcasting is something thats always had to have regulation and government invovlement, and of course that includes the technology behind it - the sort of capital and planning needed pretty much requires it.
FM is not going anywhere yet, but the trend is clear. Thats no different to the way that FM gradually took over from AM, etc. It first began in 1955 in the UK on the BBC, but Radio 1 was still partially on MW until 1994. Commercial radio stations simulcasted on MW and FM from the start, but only stopped doing this when the IBA told them to stop in 1989-90 (again, offical advise, not just the market).
Techonologies often take a very long time to really get going, but once they are taken up by enough people, it can then often take a very long time for them to vanish. But once they start to slide or be supplemented, there reaches a point where you have to 'put them down', rather than than have them linger. The cost of running a broadcast system which just enough people use to mean you can't just ignore it, but not enough to make it worth doing is huge, and therefore government needs to step in.
I dont really care if FM is better or worse than DAB for an individual (although I barely notice any real difference in audio quality on the equipment I use, no one has ever asked me about bitrates when I sell radios, and I can get a much larger number of stations on DAB), but if enough individuals stop listening to analogue, the market will want to move on. FM wont be banned, it will just have fallen so out of favour that its no longer worth doing.
Its like when people complain that their favourite sweet is being discontinued, and complain that they have no choice in the matter. They might have loved it, but if they were the only dozen people whom actually bought it, it doesn't matter - the manufacturer is going to stop making it.
The fact is that although certain forums etc on the net complain bitterly about this sort of stuff, hardly anyone else cares. And its the market that ultimately decides, the government just looks at the trend and acts accordingly.
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1:39 AM
There should be no thought of stopping FM until it represents well under 10% of listening.
ACTUAL listening. Not that 90% of households have A DAB reception set.
Another possibility is to compensate people whose equipment is rendered useless by paying for equivalent new kit.
My B&O Radiogram for example.
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8:30 AM
Steve P: Hi again, Steve P. Again you are expressing your own, obviously firmly held opinions. If you look at the most recent quarter's RAJAR statistics you'll see that actual listening to DAB is very close to 50% and is expected to reach that figure by sometime next year. When this figure has been achieved, the Government intend to decide on a date for analogue radio switch off and digital radio switchover, which would be no sooner than two years after the date that the Government choose this date. There was no compensation on offer in the mid-2000s when television viewers discovered that Freeview digital terrestrial television could not be received directly on analogue tuner television sets and so I don't expect there to be any compensation on offer at digital radio switchover, although I would expect the Government to make financial help available to the elderly, the disabled and the vulnerable, so that they have access to a digital platform for broadcast radio. Richard, Norwich.
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9:59 AM
Richard, Your Grace
I hate to trouble a DAB fan with mere facts, but here they are
The share of all radio listening via a digital platform now stands at 44.1%.
The digital share is comprised of
DAB share 30.9%
DTV 5.4%
and listening Online or App 7.8%.
So 30% is very close to 50%?
I would not be surprised if DTV and Online grow faster than DAB.
Why are FM only radios still sold with no warning of imminent uselessness?
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10:09 AM
"The share of all radio listening via a digital platform now stands at 41.7%, up from 37.9% for the corresponding period last year.
The share of listening hours to DAB has increased by 9% year on year, with share now at 27.7% from 25.2%
in Q4, 2014"
http://www.rajar.co.uk/do….pdf
Interesting to note that DAB is only a quarter of listening HOURS - surely the true metric?
And even more interesting that that statistic is no longer provided.
The inconvenient truth?
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10:18 AM
steve P: Hi, Steve P. I need to correct what I said in my last post. It is when the share of all digital listening via ANY digital platform reaches 50% that the Government will discuss an analogue switch off date, whereas I had INCORRECTLY stated that it was when the share of listening by DAB dad reached 50%. Please accept my apologies for this error. So, as you can see, the 44% of digital listening via any digital platform is quite likely to increase to 50% by this time next year. When I myself sell an FM radio from my collection, I always warn potential buyers in my 'item description' of the redundancy of the item within a few years, just as I did when I put my 2k Ondigital 'Freeview' DTT box ON an online auction website in 2009, but amazingly it sold at my 'reserve' price anyway, even though I'd given the redundancy warning! I think that it is a pity that online retailers of brand new FM only radios such as the Philips combined FM radio/ CD Player do not give a redundancy warning notice on the item before selling it. Apparently, radio manufacturers have jointly agreed not to manufacture any more analogue only radio sets, whereas retailers seem only to be interested in profits from sales of any item on their shelves! Perhaps I'm being too cynical! Incidentally, I am neither a duke nor an Archbishop, so you may address me as 'Sir' rather than 'Your Grace', Steve! Richard in Norwich.
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11:22 AM
DAB radios for the home need a better way of tuning in stations and far better displays of information mine looks vintage not modern at all.
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11:43 AM
David: Hi, David and thank you for your comments on the tuning of home DAB radios and their information displays. I should have thought that tuning into a station by selecting it from an alphabetical list would have been fairly straightforward for anyone who knows their A to Z. As to the information displays, where I would agree here is the 1960s styles of computer 'font' that seem to be used. I would have preferred the displays to be rather more like what I'm seeing on the screen of my 2012 laptop which I'm seeing in front of me right now as I type this response to you. I suppose, however, that this innovation would require even more computing power to be built into the DAB radio, as well as a more expensive display screen, thus raising the cost of DAB radios to a prohibitive level whereby they would be too expensive for many people. Remember, though, that if you are particularly interested in the information displays from radio stations that a large number of them are also broadcast on the Freeview television platform, where you can see full screens of information in better resolution than on the home DAB radio screen! Richard in Norwich.
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11:48 AM
David: Which model of DAB radio do you have? All mine have a display allowing you to select the station you want from a list. There are various models designed to look like old radios but I haven't used one so don't know how user friendly they are.
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12:43 PM
Of course the government will never compensate anyone when services are switched off. They want to sell all the old frequencies so they can fill the black hole in the economy government after government will do this.
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4:42 PM
J Martin: Hi, J Martin. Try telling that to Steve P on this site and see what his response is! Richard, Norwich.
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10:01 PM
Steve P:
By the time FM is down to 10%, all the commercial stations will be long gone, and it would only be the BBC that would be stuck with it, in exactly the same way they are stuck with LW, bleeding cash to please an audience which almost certainly doesn't pay all that much in licence fees anyway.
Whether the percentage of digital listening is 50% through all digital platforms, DAB, streaming or whatever (and I suspect DTV will decline overall, since sitting in front of a TV just listening to it isn't really very practical), it doesn't really matter. I remember some years ago much the same arguments being made about DAB, with certain people exultant about DAB's figures. They were missing the point - its not DAB vs FM, its digital vs analogue. And digital is gaining ground, and that will continue at an ever faster rate. When digital listening goes to about 60% overall (and I understand its over 50% in London already), they are going to have to make plans. Give it a year or two.
However, there is no need to panic yet, and a fair number of people will continue to buy (cheap) FM radios, rather than the only slightly more expensive DAB/FM version. Thats OK for the moment. Once the timescale is clearer, then they can put stickers on things, but to be honest, go in most showrooms and you've only got about 2-3 FM only radios (plus those multi-band travel ones). Everything else is DAB/FM.
No, your not going to get any compensation, any more than people who'd bought an analogue TV 10 years before got a new TV. They didn't need one, and shouldn't have expected to.
Frankly, as long your B & O system has an analogue input, you can carry on using it till kingdom come.
Everything from Sonos Connect, to Chrome Audio, to Apple Airport Express, to a simple bluetooth adapter, to just connecting a source via a 3.5mm-RCA's cable (Poundland) will do the job. For those with seperates (and remember that the bulk of people own, as an average, 1.9 radios, and they will probably be less than 5w in output), Richer Sounds will do a DAB tuner for 99 quid.
But the bulk of people dont have B & O or anything else, and they will cope fine.
As for DAB radio useablity, mine just tunes itself, and then I just select from whats available. You can buy ones with larger displays, but since customers seem to like a classic look, the displays tend to be in keeping with that.
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10:34 AM
MikeB it's not just the radiogram, it's the clock radios in every bedroom, the FM radio in my smartphones and tablets which uses no digital signal outdoors (often there is none round our way) , the battery radios in bathrooms that currently last 9 months on a set.
I shall of course simply set up a FM rebroadcaster - doubtless illegally.
I will willingly move to DAB when it presents an advantage. But I will need a dozen sets, not one.
Re DTV I have an insight for you. You don't have to "sit in front of it". There is no need to read the on screen message, and the sound from TV speakers works without line-of-sight. In one room we only have TV radio!
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10:56 AM
MikeB, et al:
I have a Bose FM radio/CD player as well as a Bose DAB radio CD player.The sound quality of both when playing good CDs is acceptable. When listening to FM it is better than CDs. The DAB version of the same device is not as good sound quality. I suspect that bit rates have been reduced too far for the sort of sound reproduction needed for some instruments to be heard reasonably well. I have sung in many churches and concert halls for more than fifty years and pipe organs present a particular problem for digital systems as the overtones they produce are not reproduced at all by any digital system - the sample rate is too low. It would need to be much, much higher if the Nyquist effect were to not interfere with the higher tonal quality sounds.
FM has its limitations as well but the sound quality is not as 'harsh' as with CDs.
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4:10 PM
MikeP: To be fair, both you and SteveP are untypical of the population as a whole. Most are not audiophiles, dont have a Bose, B & O, or any other system, dont have a clue about sample rates and whose audio system is probably no more than a cheap midi system bought years ago. The best audio in my house comes from a Sony SX5 which I bought stupidly cheap a year or two ago - its only 20w. Without that, it would be some rubbish 15w thing that was bought as an emergency.
If the population really cared about audio quality, then nobody would be buying Beats, people probably would not be buying those portable record players in Sainsburys, we would not use the cheap earbuds that come with phones and everyone would spend about 10 times as much on kitchen radios as they do. In reality, people dont care that much about audio quality, as long as its good enough for what they want, and it fits in with their other requirements.
'it's the clock radios in every bedroom, the FM radio in my smartphones and tablets which uses no digital signal outdoors (often there is none round our way) , the battery radios in bathrooms that currently last 9 months on a set. '
OK. The average number of radios in a UK household works out at 1.9. Which means a clock radio and one in the kitchen, and a lot who have just one radio or none at all. Your very unusual, and so you can't assume everyone else is in the same boat as you.
However, DAB clock radios can be had for 30 pounds each, and your smartphone is perfectly capable of streaming audio from 3/4G plus wifi (I'd be interested to know just how many people use the FM radio part - relatively few 16-24 year old, for a start). Same goes for tablets, which of course have no analogue radio anyway. And by the time you come to replace that bathroom radio, its likely that a DAB radio will have a much longer battery life anyway.
You say you need a dozen sets - so when an FM radio breaks down, will you be replacing it with an FM radio or a DAB one?
'Re DTV I have an insight for you. You don't have to "sit in front of it". There is no need to read the on screen message, and the sound from TV speakers works without line-of-sight. In one room we only have TV radio!'
I'm very aware that you can listen to a TV. But if you want to listen to the radio in a room other than the one the TV is in, wouldn't it be much easier to simply buy a cheap radio, stream from a phone, etc? And TV speakers are certainly not something known for their sound quality.
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3:33 PM
Two of my FM Clock Radios are also telephones - economical bedside table use!
At the moment I have backup supplies from my late parents' house - Including a 60 year old Ferranti valve set.
Another point is that all the FM sets are synchronised.
Also, digital time signals are wrong. They should not broadcast deceptive pips.
I am greatly amused that when you spend hundreds on a large TV they try to sell you a separate sound system. We have one with built in forward facing speakers either side of the screen. Decent sound and sometimes excellent stereo effects when they bother to have a suitable signal. How do I hear something well to the left of the left speaker?
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1:20 AM
if the national fm is switched,then private rebroadcaster staions are possible,just around yr house,pick up from a freeview tuner and rebroadcast around yr house only.
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9:15 AM
In my considered opinion, as a retired electronics engineer, FM and Freeview must remain in use. As others have said, digital introduces a time delay, about 4 seconds, so time signals are in accurate. Most DAB stations are now mono only and with limited bit rates so frequency response is poorer than FM radio.
Mobile networks already occupy far greater bandwidth than digital TV and I think they already have too much.
Digital is not always better and a lot of the usage of mobile signals is better handled by cabled networks.
Mobile phones have clear usage benefits as phone on the move. If your car breaks down it is essential to get it fixed and mobile allows you to call RAC, AA, Green Flag, etc.
Otiginally, mobile phones we meant to be an outdoor extension of the voice phone networks. A lot of people still use it as such and not everyone has, nor wants, a so-called 'smart' phone.
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