Switchover starts in East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire
Brian Butterworth published on UK Free TV This week sees the first stage of the digital television switchover for 747,300 homes in East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire.
From 6am Wednesday 3rd August 2011, you must to a perform a "first time installation" retune (sometimes "Factory Reset" or "Shipping Condition") on your Freeview box or television set if you use the Belmont or Oliver's Mount full service Freeview transmitters. This is because the old "multiplex 1" BBC service will be replaced by the BBCA multiplex on a different frequency.
If you use the Grimsby (by noon), Hunmanby (9am), Lincoln Central (by 9am) or Weaverthorpe (by 6am) relay transmitters, from Wednesday 3rd August 2011 you will be able to receive the BBC Freeview services (with the exception of HD) for the first time, and you will no longer be able to view BBC TWO on analogue.
You MAY find that old equipment will no longer work - see TVs and boxes that do not support the 8k-mode
On Wednesday 17th August 2011 will see the second stage of switchover, which provides the final Freeview configuration, including Freeview HD for all transmitters in this region.
On this date, you will need, once again, to do a "first time installation" as indicated above.
A small aside
Whenever I hear the name "Belmont", it reminds me of seeing this card on the ITV button in the morning
Which was accompanied by this music and voice: Yorkshire Television Theme Tune which I guess must have been some early inspiration for this site...
Help with Freeview, aerials?
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Thursday, 4 August 2011
KB Aerials Sheffield
8:33 AM
Sheffield
8:33 AM
Sheffield
ahhhh I understand why the colour and contrast were altered now
When you manually scan the tv you will need the aerial connected or the tv will do nothing - manually tuning a tv where there are several transmitter s being received by an aerial is a superb idea - as long as you know which transmitter the aerial is pointing at
Brian -- yeah i suppose I was being lazy when I said that I didn't know which transmitter BBC was on ch 45
NOTE TO SELF ----- MUST DO BETTER IN THE FUTURE
he he
Keith
incidentally if the signal is this strong perhaps a new line of business needs to be investigated -- I hear house clearance earns good money -- Need a bigger van :-(
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KB's: mapK's Freeview map terrainK's terrain plot wavesK's frequency data K's Freeview Detailed Coverage
KB Aerials Sheffield : I wasn't suggesting laziness, I was just doing a sideways nod to the new sub-menu I have put on the Freeview/Transmitter pages.
There is also the "after switchover C45 map page at" - UK TV Frequency map - channel C45 (666.0MHz) before switchover map | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice .
Which makes me think I should do a *current* allocation map.
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David9:27 AM
Keith, the auto scan was done with no aerial in order to clear out the Belmont or what ever channels.
Then the mauual 7 channels done with it connected but only 6 gave programs the one with nothing will be for HD sets I presume.
This morning the set asked for an auto rescan to be done!
So Belmont or what ever is still troubling it, did not do the scan of course, if any genuine changes like a new station comes I will not get them.
Thanks to all for your advise allready given.
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jb3811:10 AM
David: On looking at everything you have mentioned over your various postings, could I just ask for a point to be clarified.
To me it appears as though all your problems started purely because you followed the request that you seen on your screen? as once you done that Belmont BBC1 etc on Ch22 transmitting on high power placed itself in the EPG1 position where you were previously receiving your local Idle transmitters BBC1 on Ch45.
The other factor that came into the equation was your picture quality, that is brightness / contrast / colour etc, as the settings you "must" have previously made would automatically be lost when you carried out a factory reset, as that's one of the snags involved in "all" sets when carrying out that type of operation.
If you manually tune each Mux channel then you should regain the service you had before, the Idle transmitters channels being 45 - 53 - 34 - 56 - 30 - 42, or alternatively you could try carrying out a trick some use by taking the aerial out "before" starting a rescan, then once scanning as soon as you see the progress bar pass Ch22 immediately plug the aerial back in again so that the other higher channels can be stored.
All said based purely on your comment re Mux Ch 45, as that suggests you were tuned to the Idle transmitter.
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David12:48 PM
Well I agree after the requested retune yesterday I had Belmont BBC1 at EPG 1 possition and Ch45 at EPG 800. Prior to that I woulf have thought I had the Emley Moor channels for all, my aerial pionts at Emley Moor and is below the apex of my roof which is behind the aerial and Idle is behind that. It is strange that the TV retuned into EPG 800 Idle and not Emley Moor.
I entered manualy the EM channel numbers in the order given to me by the Switch over people, 40, 39, 43,50,49, and 46. The signal on BBC1 is stronger now than the Ch 45 version yesterday, but each time I turn this TV on it requests a re-scan so Belmont must still be stronger than EM.
It is most annoying to get this request at every turn on.
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jb383:51 PM
David: OK! now that's been said I take it that you were using Emley Moor and not Idle, and that the Ch45 you mentioned was only in relation to what you seen after the scan, and "not" that Ch45 (BBC1 from Idle) was what you had actually wanted, the only reason for me thinking it was is because the Idle transmitter is indicated as being only 1 mile away from your BD2 post code.
This in effect meaning that the channels Keith @ KB Aerials(08.59PM yesterday) gave you are what you must have been already using before you carried out the re-scan.
To be quite honest about it, you don't really have a problem anymore than anyone else would do who can receive signals from more than one source, as all TV's / boxes start scanning from channel 21 upwards storing the EPG channels from any Mux transmitter channel it happens to lock on to as it goes along, and the only reason it stored Ch45 (BBC1 Idle) instead of the one you wanted (Ch52 BBC1 Emley) was because the Idle signal was being received at a high enough level to cause the TV to lock onto it, if it wasnt it would just have passed it.
Needless to say that because it had already stored the EPG channels from Mux Ch45, when it did arrive at Ch52 it had already allocated EPG1 to Mux Ch45's BBC1 and so shoved Emleys BBC1 into the 800 store, something that happens in all sets.
As you will now have to manually scan to avoid Belmont jumping in again, it goes without saying that you should refrain from carrying out any more auto-tunes.
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KB Aerials Sheffield
6:05 PM
6:05 PM
Most sets have the facility in menu to turn off automatic channel update - this may save your frustrations as to be honest I think you may have this problem for ever more as the tv when turned on will see belmont and go -- mmmm more channels are available lets tell david about it!
another option would be to use a group B channel pass filter which would only allow (depending on manufacturer of the filter) channels 39 to 53 to be passed through the aerial system
SEE HERE
http://www.vanjak.com/ind…9972
please note this was a random search on google - if the fringe site was better I would have used that
the fringe link is here though
http://www.fringeelectron….pdf
scroll down to page 33
Keith (S201EG)
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David7:31 PM
I hope the problem will cease when Emley Moor power is turned up.
If not then the whole digital Freeview will be in a mess and something wrong with the power levels direction etc. of the transmitters.
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David: There nothing wrong with the transmissions, the television transmitter regions have always overlapped since they were brought into service.
Nothing will change when Emley Moor switches over as the Belmont channel frequencies are below those on Emley Moor and if your Freeview box stores the lowest frequencies this will not change.
See also Digital Region Overlap | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice .
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jb388:56 PM
David: The problem of Belmont taking up the EPG 1 position whenever any auto re-scan is carried out will never change where you are located, (and many other places!) as after switchover Emley Moors lowest Mux channel is 41 (BBC HD service) so Belmont will always take the lead and get in there first, the only qualification to that being, if by any change atmospheric conditions prevailing at the time any re-scan was being carried out allowed some distant transmitter on Ch21 to beat Belmont, then you would have two to contend with. (not that this is likely though!)
Its nothing unusual, as once most areas start operating on high power its guaranteed that multitudes of people will experience similar problems to yourself in various areas of the country, and there isn't that much that can be done to alleviate the problem except by manual tuning becoming the order of the day. Likewise people resisting the temptation to carry out a re-scan as soon as their signal might glitch on them, an action that seems to be widespread and achieves nothing except cause them further problems by losing what they had stored.
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