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On the tenth day of Christmas Auntie brought to me ... five more HD channels

It is confirmed. If you use Freesat HD, Sky HD or Freeview HD, the BBC have five more HD channels for you from December 10th.

Everyone is happy to see Auntie in her best definition!  Photograph: Shutterstock
Everyone is happy to see Auntie in her best definition! Photograph: Shutterstock
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It would seem the BBC are going to have five HD channels for many UK homes in plenty of time for Christmas.

Here is the evidence. First, YouView is listing the channels from 7am/7pm on 10 December 2013.



And if you look into space, you can see the channels lined on satellite too.



Remember that for Freeview HD viewers, you need to use the Crystal Palace (London), Belmont (Lincolnshire), Black Hill (Central Scotland), Emley Moor (West and South Yorkshire) and Winter Hill (Greater Manchester) transmitters to get BBC FOUR HD, CBeebies HD and BBC News HD.

UPDATE 9/12/13

The channel numbers are:

Sky HD subscribers will get the HD channels on the "usual" channel numbers: CBBCHD on 613 , CBeebies HD on 614 , BBC Three HD on 115 and BBC Four HD 116. (Virgin will get CBBCHD on 710, CBeebies HD on 711, BBC Three HD on 163, BBC Four HD 164 and BBC News HD 604).

See BBC - Blogs - About the BBC - CBBC HD, CBeebies HD, BBC Three HD, BBC Four HD & BBC News HD launch Tuesday 10 December 2013 for more.



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Why do less than one in five people with an HD set watch in HD?5
All five public service channels now free to air!6

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Friday, 6 December 2013
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Rob
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8:48 AM

to Steve P the HD channels on Freesat are BBC1 and BBC2 and ITV, Channel 4 in HD but other HD channels you have to subscribe to sky.

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Briantist
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10:41 AM

Rob: Yes...

DVB-T2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"It is currently broadcasting in the United Kingdom (Freeview HD, four channels, plus an extra multiplex in Northern Ireland carrying 3 SD channels), Italy (Europa 7 HD, twelve channels), Finland (21 channels, 5 in HD), Sweden (five channels),[1][2] Flanders (18 SD Channels), Serbia (10 SD and HD version of the public broadcaster’s channel RTS),[3] Ukraine (32 SD and HD channels in four nationwide multiplexes), Croatia (two pay-tv multiplexes) Denmark,and some other countries."

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10:42 AM

Steve P: RT HD and NHK World HD are also on Freesat HD.

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2:21 PM

"Angusmast": Hello Brian, I just checked again and the audio channels on the 4 main SD BBC channels in Scotland have now changed to 192kbit/s Joint Stereo. This was while BBC Alba was off-air.

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trevorjharris
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3:28 PM

I guess dropping quality in BBC transmissions is becoming a habit. I am suprised they have done it on main channels though. HD sound quality it noticably much better on satellite with dolby encoding stereo or surround.

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Briantist
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4:22 PM

trevorjharris: As I recall, Freeview HD can't support 5.1 sound as the second audio path is used for Audio Description.

The changes in Scotland are to allow BBC Radio to be provide on Freeview at the same time as a whole extra TV channel, BBC Alba is broadcast.

Viewers in Scotland can still enjoy BBC One Scotland HD, BBC TWO Scotland HD in perfect quality.

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trevorjharris
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6:24 PM

Actually I believe Freeview HD supports AAC 5.1 surround. Freeview HD could not use Dolby because of of squeezing 5 HD channels in a multiplex.

BBC - BBC Internet Blog: Questions around surround sound on Freeview HD

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trevorjharris
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6:31 PM

Actually the BBC rarely use surround sound. There are some exceptions like the recent Dr Who. Most Sky programs do have surround sound. The surround sound on football matches is fantastic as you feel surrounded by the croud. Surround sound is available fot F1 but the BBC has never transmitted it.

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Mark A.
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7:46 PM
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On the 5th day of Christmas Auntie Beeb took away from me, my HD red channel.
On the 11 day of Christmas people are wondering why they still can't get some of the 10 HD channels.
It is because you are Freeview light.

I see that the red HD channel has now closed on Freeview Light.
Is it also closing on Full Freeview and satellite?

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Briantist
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8:11 PM

Mark A.: yes. The BBC has cut these services due to the real terms cut in the Licence fee. Just like BBC two daytime...

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8:15 PM

Mark A.: and it isn't just Freeview light that is missing the com7 multiplex. The service is limited to a few masts today and will get 70% coverage in a couple of years.

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trevorjharris
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11:17 PM

I think it all goes to show how much better satellite is. No such thing as light freesat.

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Saturday, 7 December 2013
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Trevor Haywards Heath
11:51 AM

Question is .... are we definitely getting the 5 additional BBC HD channels on Freesat from the 10th ?

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Mike Davison
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2:48 PM
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If you can operate your Freesat receiver in the 'non-Freesat' mode you could get them now using the info' from the Lyngsat screenshot above. I'm not sure when the numbered labels will change, probably not until inserted in the Freesat EPG. Only do this if you're really impatient about getting them.

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Steve P
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8:13 PM

I think it all goes to show how much better satellite is.


Except when there is heavy snow!

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Briantist
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8:25 PM

Steve P: or want local or regional programmes...

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Nicholas Willmott
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10:20 PM

As I've said somewhere else, it's all very well introducing COM7 and COM8 in the frequency range C31 to C37, but why put them on so few transmitters? For example, Stockland Hill won't be getting COM 7 and COM 8. That seems odd, because according to UK Free TV, Stockland Hill serves 120,000 homes, whereas Beacon Hill (which will get COM7 and COM8) serves 84,000 homes. If Stockland Hill serves more homes than Beacon Hill, it too should have COM7 and COM8.

Looking at the COM 7 and COM 8 coverage maps for transmitters other than Stockland Hill, it seems all of Exeter won't be able to get COM 7 or COM 8 from Wenvoe, Mendip, Beacon Hill or Caradon Hill. Exeter is a city with quite a larege population, so surely the two new HD muxes ought to be on Stockland Hill as well to better serve Exeter.

It looks like west Wales won't get the new MUXs neither Preseli (57,000 homes) nor Carmel (72,000 homes) will carry COM7 or COM8. Ridiculous! That's denying an awful lot of homes of the signal.

If they wanted these two extra MUXES, why not put them on all the 80 transmitters that got DTT at the outset - autumn 1998, To save UHF channels, one could have been put on C37 as a SFN from all 80 transmitters, could it not? Is there anyone who can explain? Who decided which few transmitters should get the new MUXes?

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Briantist
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10:28 PM

Nicholas Willmott: the government froze the BBC licence fee so they don't have the money to roll out a full service.

There is a background article I wrote here

More Freeview capacity - COM7, COM8 and COM9 - in the 600MHz band | Freeview news | ukfree.tv - 11 years of independent, free digital TV advice

Sfn networks cannot be used due to the proximity of the French and Dutch TV networks.

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11:38 PM

The policy of only serving a few areas is very unfair as everyone has to pay the same licence tax. The BBC has plenty of money but prefers to squander it on other things. The latest is that the BBC spent atleast £1.3m flying people to Salford over the past 2.5 years.

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david
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11:51 PM
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the bbc has an income of over five million more than any commercial broad caster it can well afford to transmit hd on all channels and stop trying to do everything and stop paying above market rate wages

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12:17 AM

david: Perhaps the BBC1 regions should be HD rather than BBC4? After all more people watch BBC1, although I don't suppose viewers without HD receivers are bothered either way! To be fair BBC3/CBBC and BBC4/CBeebies are already HD throughout the UK on satellite. With the exception of those whose view of the satellites is blocked by hills, trees or buildings, as with any service, it is a matter of choice whether to obtain the equipment necessary to receive the transmissions.

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8:14 AM

david: I have no idea what you're on about.

Sky has annual revenues of £6,791m which is more or less double that of the BBC at £3,656 ITV plc (which runs 80% of the channel 3 network) had revenues of £1,834, about a quarter of Sky's.

The idea that the BBC pays "above market rate wages" laughable.

I don't know where you got "over five million more" from or what it is supposed to mean.




[1] http://annualreview2012.s….pdf

[2] http://downloads.bbc.co.u….pdf

[3] http://www.itvplc.com/sit….pdf

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8:16 AM

@trevorjharris: So, the BBC has spend less than £10k a week getting people to TV studio?

"Human being require transport to appear on live television shock".

Pray tell us what figure would you find "acceptable".

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8:18 AM

KMJ,Derby: "To be fair BBC3/CBBC and BBC4/CBeebies are already HD throughout the UK on satellite"

I'm not sure where you've got that from... these BBC services start their official broadcasts on Tuesday.

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Rog Parsons
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11:50 AM

Personally I never understood why a purpose built properly fitted out and efficient TV Centre in London where artists and staff are available and transport from theatres, stars homes and other venues to appear in productions was practicable and reasonable was moved to Salford . If a move were considered a cost cutting excercise why not Birmingham, or Bristol for England , Cardiff or Glasgow for Wales or Scotland - Salford was just politics - not practicality. As for programmes; on BBC1 it seems whoever is 'fat controller' hasn't a clue as standards go lower.- as for BBC3 and BBC4 'half channels' only rarely are the programmes worth watching - then it's re-screens of 1970-80 BBC2 programmes !
If BBC wasn't such a sacred cow it would be sold off like Royal Mail and British Rail(ways) and we'd all have a free licence .....

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Briantist
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12:35 PM

Rog Parsons: 13% of the UK population live in Greater London.

The cost of property in London makes in much, much cheaper to have studios outside London and to pay those appearing travel.

£20k a week doesn't get you more than a few square meters of space in London, does it?

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Briantist
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12:41 PM

Looking at Office Rent London: Definitive Rental Guide - UPDATED for 2013

You would get ONE room 25m x 25m in London for a year for £520,000 a year.

Seems quite straightforward to me.

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12:43 PM

Which is the size of Studio 2 at The London Studios. The London Studios - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

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3:22 PM

Rog Parsons: I just realised you wrote "purpose built properly fitted out and efficient TV Centre". I dunno what you're referring to, but before it closed it TVC was a confusing rabbit warren of cooling problems and outdated technology... not to mention being too close to two underground lines.

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Brian Wright
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4:15 PM

Returning to the extra BBC HD channels to be available from 10th /12/13 I hope this does not lead to more bandwidth/compression changes which may dilute the existing BBC HD program quality!.
I was viewing BBC HD on a new 65inch 4K TV in John Lewis yesterday & it looked like a reasonable Freeview picture but the sales person was adamant that it was the BBC HD transmission.
I gather after Dec 10th the BBC will have news continuity in HD via the regions ?

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Michael
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4:30 PM

Brian Wright: The national PSB3 HD multiplex can support 5 HD streams, channels1,2,3,4 and 7/73. The new com7 which will reach 70% of the population by the middle of next year are where the new HD channels will be broadcast from.

However I'm not sure what you expect in terms of picture quality when you take a 1920x1080 source and display it on a 65" 3840x2160 resolution screen...

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Briantist
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4:42 PM

Michael: I guess it is a question of how close you are to the screen....?

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Mike Davison
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7:23 PM
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Rog Parsons - there's no such thing as a free licence. What else is a Sky subscription? Every channel would become subscription based. I guarantee that the penny would drop that the quality of programmes would become intolerable hopefully leading to the failure of the subscription services and people would clamour for 'the good old days' of the licence fee supported broadcasting service.

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7:39 PM
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Briantist - I like your figures. It completely demolishes all arguments against the BBC structure and shows how easily duped the British public can be, thinking that we pay highly for the general content of service. All Sky's money seems to go into paying semi-literate soccer players - how non-general is that? If Sky didn't exist and even half of its income was given to licence supported broadcasting the investment in technical and artistic content doesn't bear thinking about. It WOULD be so much better.

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MikeB
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8:55 PM

Brian Wright: To follow up on Michael's excellent reply - I was showing a customer that very Samsung 4K today, with Skyfall on Sky HD Movies.

It looked very nice indeed, but even with its 8 million pixels, its going to have fill in quite a lot of detail to go from 1080 to 2160, as Michael pointed out. The source is important, but it must also be appropriate, to get the best from the technology.

And, as Brianist points out, you should really be about 16 feet away from that size TV to get the best picture (although you need to get to about 3in from the screen before you see a pixel, quite amazing). On your full HD TV the BBC transmissions look very good, and much better than SD.

Rog Parsons: Re: BBC4 - 'only rarely are the programmes worth watching - then it's re-screens of 1970-80 BBC2 programmes '. Really? Over on Britmovies, BBC4 is generally seen as a national treasure, complete with its own fan club. Perhaps you are watching a different BBC4 from the rest of us? The BBC license fee is a relative bargain, and gives you far more for your money than using a subscription model.

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MikeP
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9:08 PM

Remember that the current HD transmissions are at 1080p so displaying them on any screen with higher resolution requires interpolation. Electronics engineers regard that as 'inventing' additional detail to fill in the pixels not being transmitted. Good software can do quite an acceptable job of making it look more detailed but there are many pitfalls, especially with fast panning scenes and so on.
What you are seeing on a 4k screen is 1080p with all the missing bits (3/4s of the detail) added by 'intelligent' guesswork.

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Briantist
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9:16 PM

Mike Davison: According to [1], £1,330m of Sky's income is paid out in profit. Their 2013 revenue was £7,235m.

Sky spent £2,487 on programming (including sports rights), £1,1117 on marketing, £673m on subscriber management and supply chain, £405m on transmission, £576m on admin.

Direct networks cost Sky £686m. I think this the provision of broadband.

It's interesting to see that the BBC spends an almost identical amount of money on programmes - £2,443m - but only £222m on distribution, £111 on collection of the LF money.

[1] http://annualreview.sky.c….pdf

[2] http://downloads.bbc.co.u….pdf

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9:41 PM

I've done a little picture.



Sky has twice the income of the BBC.

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Charles Stuart
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11:51 PM
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MikeB refers to the distance that one should sit from one's TV to get the best picture. How far away should I sit from my Panasonic HD-ready 32" TV? I have a YouView box, so I get HD channels.

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Nicholas Willmott
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9:33 AM

Briantist: regarding your answer to my last question - I see from your article they were proposing COM7, COM8 and COM9, with COM9 as a SFN on C36 nationwide.

On those grounds, couldn't they have put COM8 as a C36 SFN and COM7 on whatever other vacant frequency C31 to C37 was available from the 80 sites that broadcast DTT from the outset? That would have included Stockland Hill, Preseli, Kilvey Hilll, Salisbury etc.

As for the cost of funding this - I thought they were just re-using transmitting equipment they originally used for the pre-switchover low power DTT. From 1998 to 2008 there were 80 sites, broadcasting 6 pre-DSO muxes each, i.e. 480 transmitting units located at 80 sites (Mendip, Stockland Hill, Rowridge, Salisbury etc), 6 per site. Is it true that, at DSO, all those sites had all 6 transmitting units replaced? If so, why? By reusing just TWO of those redundant units at the same 80 sites, that would have been just 160 units used, leaving 320 transmitting units still unused.

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9:56 AM

Nicholas Willmott: "On those grounds, couldn't they have put COM8 as a C36 SFN "

The national SFN was allocated as a "final" multiplex because the frequency won't be cleared by other countries until later.

"and COM7 on whatever other vacant frequency C31 to C37 was available from the 80 sites that broadcast DTT from the outset?"

No. If you look at
More Freeview capacity - COM7, COM8 and COM9 - in the 600MHz band | Freeview news | ukfree.tv - 11 years of independent, free digital TV advice you can see the hexagons and pentagons. The "old" plan uses five frequencies per multiplex, this plan uses three.

"As for the cost of funding this - I thought they were just re-using transmitting equipment they originally used for the pre-switchover low power DTT."

That's just wrong. Every site had the old equipment replaced at DSO. The new equipment was fitted in place of the analogue services and transmitter analogue until - at switchover - digital took over transmissions.

The pre-DSO equipment was a short-term low-power provision.

Com7 and Com8 are new provisions.


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10:26 AM

Charles Stuart: If a customer comes in, I'll ask them the size of their current TV, its age (that will tell me its physical size), and the distance from where they sit (this gets complicated when people are different distances).

If your looking at a modern flat screen, then about 1.5m (5-6ft) is where I'd recommend. Its based on manufacturers recommendations, plus my own experience. Obviously HD is better than SD, but thats a reasonable distance.

However, if you bought a TV 5-6 years ago, that 32in TV is about 31in wide, perhaps more. Lots of people bought TV's of that size, but are actually further away, and are now finding the TV a little small (about 20 people said the same thing when I worked this weekend). For a 39-42in screen, I'd say 2.5 to 3 times the size of the screen (yes you can go closer, but my customers do not want too large a TV, so 3 is my normal distance). If you are 10 feet away (40 x 3 = 120in = 10 feet), then 39-42in is perfect, although often people will want a larger screen sometimes later on, as they get used to it.

Remember that the thick frames of 4 years ago have largely gone on main brand TV's. A Samsung 40in TV is now only about 36 inches wide, and is about 10cm wider than a 32in flat screen (a customer got his wife to measure their 32in while he was in the shop it was 800mm, then Samsung was just 902mm). Distance always equals size. Of course if your watching Blu-ray, you can sit closer still, and apparently 3D is even even better, but 2.5 to 3 is still fine.

If your too close, it will look awful, too far and you wont see anything. A customer came in yesterday to buy a lovely Sony W805 42. I'd seen her the day before, and suggested she measure before buying (we are nice that way!), but tought 40-42 would be perfect based on the information she'd given me. She did exactly that, actually took a tape measue into a rival store (they had a simlar set and the clear 10ft to measure), and concluded that the size would be perfect. Thats exactly right for her room at present, and hopefully will come back to tell me thats its fine - I'll certainly ask.

4K has 8 million tiny pixels, and it means a much finer picture, and so you can sit much much closer. However, it really need to be 4K content, because otherwise, as Mike P pointed out, the TV is using interpolation to fill in 3 out of every 4 pixels.

Ultimately, you can sit where you like, but I liken it to going to the cinema/play - nobody sits right at the front of the cinema, and you try to avoid the very back for a play. The middle is just right!

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10:41 AM
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Of course the minute the big TV set makers see a drop in the sales of their super HD sets they will roll out their next new toy for the gullable and must have. I have hd set but still prefer my old set. Super HD what next??

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Charles Stuart
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11:27 AM
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MikeB. My TV was bought in early 2008. It has an annoying fault at switch on, in that sometimes it won't switch on and the green "ignition" light turns red. I have been told that it can be repaired but I might save for a new TV. What should I expect to pay for a new TV now, either 32" or 37"?

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11:30 AM
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I receive my freeview from the Mendip transmitter - does this mean I won't the new services tomorrow - Mendip is on the list, but the one you give above

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11:35 AM

John Martin: Apparently Ultra Ultra HD...(8K). The format is already used on high end plantarium projectors and apparently is being used for at least one IMAX style presentation. The Japanese are planning to film some of the 2020 Games in that format Forget Ultra HD: 8K is closer than you think - Hardware

Technology has always moved forward, and generally in the face of 'its good enough'. Given the choice, would you watch a film in monochrome or colour, or one silent or with sound? Audiences have voted with their feet over the last century, and prefer what we have now (although I very much enjoy black and white films, and many silents are quite wonderful).

The pattern over the last two hundred years is that Economies of scale rapidly bring down prices and improve technology. The first VCR's cost thousands, but ended up costing less than £20. If people like and use the format, it will survive, and perhaps become universal, but thats up to the market. There are plenty of technologies which have failed, or have not been a game changer. I have no idea what 4K (or OLED) will do in the marketplace, but it will be interesting to see.

Remember that your old CRT is great for SD transmissions - thats what its was designed for. However, SD will do less well on an HD set - but HD will look far better than SD, even on a CRT. Again, its the right format for the right technology.

There is no great secret plan to get people to buy things they do not want, but in five years, why would you want to watch something in SD when you could watch it in HD?

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11:40 AM

Riv-dogg: That is correct. Mendip's COM7 doesn't come on air until some time in 2014; no date is given by Digital UK.

You may, however, be able to receive Wenvoe's, to some degree, until Mendip's comes on air. Do a manual scan of UHF channel 31 from tomorrow for Wenvoe's.

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12:08 PM

Charles Stuart: Firstly, get the right size - see above! Dont buy too small - my gut says your a 39-42in, and there are no 37in TV's any more anyway. If you measure the width of your 32in its basically 32in - a modern 39in is about 34 and a bit.

I think your right about repair - you can get a free quote, but you can get the excellent 39N575 from LG for £399. Buy LG 39LN575V LED HD 1080p Smart TV, 39" with Freeview HD online at John Lewis - if its £50 repair, then fine - its £150, then probably not.

(I'm not surprised its out of stock - its excellent for the money, and its high on my list if the TV goes). That will give you Full HD, Freeview HD (plus a sat. tuner they dont talk about), Smart and Wifi. Thats standard now. OK - the styling is not quite as crisp as some, but its a great screen. The 42in version is currently £429.95. The LG 620 gives you 200hz and 3D for £529 in a 42in, which is amazing value.

Without any smart or wifi, you can get a decent (but not outstanding) Samsung 42F5000 in Currys for £399 at presen (we just do the 32in version)t, but with just a single year warrenty, and none of extras (get the extras - its worth it).

These prices will wobble coming up to Christmas and just after. Since my employers will give you the difference if the TV goes down in price if it goes down with 28 days of purchase (we've always price-matched), when you buy isn't a big deal to us, but obviously 28th Dec is a good time to buy generally!

Whay your paying is the quality of the panel, which is usually expressed as hertz. This is a minefield, but basically a 100hz (thats what the manufacturer says..) screen is normal these days (and I'm sure that Mike P could explain why this might not mean 100hz!).

As the number goes up, so the panel gets better, the picture gets sharper, and the price increases. Around £399-£529 for a 39-42in 100hz 2D TV with all trimmings, depending on manufacturer. Around £599-699 for 400hz (middle level and good value) - Samsung 6500, Sony W805 (my favourite this year), LG 640, and then £899-£1399 for top level 8oohz Samsung 7000/8000, LG 740, Sony W905 or Panasonic DT/WT65. Dont be afraid of 3D - they just chuck it in with 200hz plus screens - its the better panel your paying for, not the 3D.

Go to a good retailer, who will hopefully ask the sort of questions I've asked, having done some measuring up first. See the difference in quality of each screen, dont get a one year only warrenty (and certainly dont pay for more), recognise that the TV will not have great sound, and bring manuals for other kits that your going to use with it.

I like all four big brands (dont buy a cheap nasty brand), and can pick top ones in all of them, at different levels. Give me a budget, and I'll work to it, but dont be too cheap. I assume your going to have it for at least 5 years (thats our warrenty), so I want it to look decent - the better the picture, the higher the price. That extra £50-100 will give you better picture, etc - which will work out very little extra over the long term. Buy once, buy right.

However, you can get a TV (with more on it) for £469 that would have cost you £799 three years ago, and £1299 five years ago. You will get a lot for money if you buy right.

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More officail news from Auntie

BBC - Media Centre - BBC to launch five new subscription-free HD channels on Tuesday 10 December

"Tony Hall, BBC Director-General, says: I am delighted that were able to launch our new HD channels in time for Christmas, when families gather together to enjoy some of the best TV from the BBC. This year, people will be able to watch even more of our programmes in brilliant quality.

All five new HD channels will broadcast the same programmes as their standard definition equivalents in HD.

Over 50 per cent of homes in the UK are already HD enabled, with reports estimating that the number of HD homes is expected to grow to reach over 20 million (80 per cent of all UK homes) by 2016 and over 23 million homes (90 per cent of all UK homes) by 2019."

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Just done a manual tune for channel 33 on Craigkelly, the new HD channels coming through fine, Al Jazeera HD broadcasting at the moment.

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MikeB There may not be a big plan to make us change what we own in your mind. But why are the adverts always get the latest this or that. Or is your phone obsolete. Most things are not obsolete but in young kids minds which most adverts are aimed at they are told it is old they need to replace it. I have a 1080p HD screen 42 inch. I only got it because my St Bernard broke my old non hd tv. But my wife and our children still prefer to watch the non HD channels. So unless super hd shows a really great change to normal HD I will still be using this Television in 5 years. But thanks for your comments anyway

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MikeB, thank you for your advice. John Lewis at Cribbs Causeway is only twenty minutes' drive when the M32, M4 and M5 behave themselves. so it's a shop on my list of those to consider. I bought my printer there.

I think that 39" is the limit of the space available, though 42" might fit at a squeeze. My usual TV viewing seat is about 10' from the TV. I'm not too concerned about sound quality, as long as I can hear. I can hear most things but I do have impaired hearing.

Apart from watching live TV, I watch recorded programmes and the occasional DVD. I don't do video games and I'm not greatly into music. What would a smart TV offer me that an ordinary TV doesn't? Though I haven't tried it, I reckon that I'd rather view the Internet on a computer, a tablet or even a phone. I'm not into 3D but I do like good picture reproduction.

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John Martin: You might want to look at http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbct….pdf

Section 6.1.1 TV landscape, d) TV set replacement cycle

"Forecasts for the TV set replacement cycle are based on trends on historic replacement cycles...

Ofcom collected and published data on TV sets sold per year in the UK; this was 6m in 2004, rising to 8.7m in 2007. This implies that on average up to 24% of HH acquired a new set (whether primary or secondary) in 2004, rising to 35% in 2007

Based on discussions with stakeholders, it is assumed that the rate of TV purchases by HHs remains constant at 33% of HH acquiring a new set each year; this implies an average TV replacement cycle of 7 8 years until 2015 "

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John Martin: You are quite right that adverts do tend to feature the latest product. I believe that the three most powerful words in advertising are 'New', 'Free' & 'Young'.

However, that is nothing new, and I suspect that some homind in Olduvai Gorge looked with envy at someone's much nicer and more advanced stone tool!

Actually, your TV is perfectly fine and current, and since nobody is broadcasting in 4K (never mind 8K!) at present (if ever), you should get many years of use out of it. And of course as time goes on, those currently non-HD channels should end up in most cases as HD anyway, which will give an even better viewing experience for your family on your current set.

Charles Stuart: I would be delighted (for fairly obvious reasons) if you popped over to Cribbs Causeway, and they will give you great advice.

Since your 10 feet away from your TV (my gut does sometimes get it right), a 40-42in is perfect. The only reason I included the 39's is that they are around the same size and sometimes slightly cheaper. However, they exist as a sop to those who would have previously bought the now non-existent 37in size, but are slightly smaller than the psychologically important 40in.

Since they are a bit of a niche, you will only get a 100hz screen - perfectly fine TV's (N575, Panasonic E6 and Samsung F5500), but thats really it. You'll get far more choice if you think 40-42, including the slightly larger versions of those models. Remember that the widest 42in is 38in wide, thats only about 3in extra on each side of your current TV.

If you have impaired hearing, you will need to better than the inbuilt speakers, trust me. If you get Panasonic or Sony, you can split the audio signal from the 3.5mm phone jack so that you can hear via headphones, and the rest of the family can listen on the speakers, at volumes comfortable for all (Samsung and LG cant do this).

If you've a sound system, you might be able to use it, but a soundbar would be an excellent option, and be prepared to pay around £170 plus for a decent 120watts one (with wired subwoofer). £250 plus for 240-310 watts with wireless sub. You'll often get a deal if you buy the TV with a soundbar.

Since next year no JL sold TV will not be Smart, and precious few are not right now, I'd just go for it. You are on the net, so I'm sure, if nothing else, you'd like to see something you missed on Iplayer. And on a decent sized screen, rather than on a laptop. And that is standard on your TV, plus lots of other things.

The cost between a 32in with and without smart/wifi is £269 v about £349 (£299 if you willing to just have HD Ready). And you get an extra HDMI port. To add that functionality would probably cost more than the difference in price.

As for 3D - its the picture quality that matters - go and have a look, and see what you think. You are the customer, we are just there to guide.

Brianist: The 7-8 year cycle accords with my experience, with the older TV ending up as a handme down, in a different room, or something for the kids. Its probably closer to 5-6 years at the moment, personally speaking, but close enough.

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5:59 PM

MikeB: And then, as with any curved distribution, there is the outlier: The oldest working TV in the UK goes on sale | Mail Online

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Briantist: Indeed! I thought 32 years was good, but...

I notice that its cost in 1936 was equal to about half the annual average wage, and that the owner was unable to get a picture in his area for a decade - puts our reception problems in context.

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Briantist: You say C36 has yet to be cleared. Is there any reason why they can't broadcast COM8 from the 80 sites that broadcast DTT from the outset autumn 1998 using C37 SFN? In an earlier post you mentioned French and Dutch TV. Does anywhere in France and/or Netherlands use C37?

By putting COM8 as C37 SFN, there'd be C31 to C35 left (5 channels) to broadcast COM7 from the same 80 sites. Isn't that more than enough UHF channels?

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8:17 PM

Just a reminder to all that the correct ergonomic viewing distance is 5-6 time the screen diagonal - irrespective of the type of screen. Also the heigh of the screen is important to prevent serious neck problems, it should have the centre of the screen below the eye level of those viewing it, so mounting it up on a wall well above the viewer's seat is not a good idea.

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10:47 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, Sky placeholders have appeared with captions advising programs start at 8:30am.

Currently BBC3 HD on 210, BBC4 HD on 211, BBC News HD on 570, CBeebies HD on 624 and CBBC HD on 633.

I guess they will swap with their SD equivalents when the service starts.

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10:50 PM

Ian: yes. They are on freesat and youview too.

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On Sky BBC 3 HD is on 115, BBC 4 HD on 116,

CBBC is on 613 and CBeebies 614.

The SD version of BBC 3 is on 210 and BBC 4 211. CBBC SD is on 633 and Cbeebies SD on 624

This is how it currently appears on a Skly HD box. I assume BBC News HD will swop with BBC News SD at some stage ?

No sign of Al Jazeera HD on Sky yet.

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11:42 AM

PJH: Yes, as per the article.

There's no mention anywhere of the BBC News HD doing the swap thing.

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Due to swap places early in 2014 apparently:

a516digital: BBC HD channel information: Sky and Virgin Media viewers



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Which would seem logical.

570 is a bit out of the way and at the end of the documentary section rather than news.

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Confused of Nottingham!!!
At my address i can only receive the Nottingham transmitter and understood it would NOT be transmitting the new BBC HD channels
However i am getting perfect reception of BBC3 HD on 105 but despite retuning no BBC4 HD or BBC NEWS HD

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Anthony: BBC Three HD and CBBC HD are carried on PSB3 multiplex which is the one which carries HD streams of BBC One, BBC Two, ITV and Channel 4. Thus these services are available from all transmitters.

Even if you could receive from Waltham, you won't get BBC Four HD because the new multiplex, COM7, which carries it doesn't come on air from Waltham until next year.

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Michael
Sunday 8 December 2013 4:30PM
2 days ago
However I'm not sure what you expect in terms of picture quality when you take a 1920x1080 source and display it on a 65" 3840x2160 resolution screen..
I agree but displaying an 1080 source would not please me If I was the manufacturer of the set.
Does anyone know when we can expect the BBC to have HD continuity between the regional news & London news? having to change channels at 6.30 every night from 101 to 1 when ITV seem to have sorted it ages ago.

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Brian Wright:
The transmitted HD signals are all of 1980x1080 resolution. The electronics in the receiver interpolate that to 'fill in' the non-transmitted pixels available on the screen. So a single pixel at 1920x1080 becomes the equivalent of four to give 3840x2160 resolution (roughly speaking, it 'averages' between the pixels above and below as well as those to the left and right, so generating 'new' pixels to 'fill in' the ones not transmitted). If the receiver software design and implementation is good enough you should see what appears a good highly detailed image, but it is an interpretation generated from an originally lower resolution. You don't loose anything and the software can't 'invent' something that is not in the original, that's why they use interpolation algorithms.
Interpolation is a very widely used method of regenerating lost or missing image information and has been used for many years.

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I am only receiving CBBC HD & BBC3 HD on my Sony Freeyiew HD TV, The signal comes from the Mendip transmitter, Are the full range of BBC HD channels being added later or is this all that can be allowed on the Mendip transmitter? I have the full set on my SkyHD box.

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Roger Young: Mendip's COM7 (which carries BBC Four HD, CBeebies HD, BBC News HD and Al Jazeera HD does not come on air until some time next year - no date is given by Digital UK.

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Brian Wright: 'I agree but displaying an 1080 source would not please me If I was the manufacturer of the set. '

Your quite right! We generally show the 4K's abilities via their demo disks/files (a very nice set of scenes from the US, in the case of Samsung). However, they do get turned over to other sources sometimes, occasionally when customers find the secret remote stashed behind it and start to play (I had to vanish one remote quickly the other day for just this reason).

To be fair, since nobody is broadcasting in 4K (and there is no sign that Sony is going to ship their preloaded server to the UK, for instance), if your buying one, your going to be watching in HD, so we might as well show what it will look like!

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Sky has been building up an archive of 4k material. I guess they will start a 4k service in pubs like they did with HD. I also suspect they will go 4k for 3D as well. Sky also has access to a big range of 4k films.

BBC has been dabling with 4k as they did with 3D.


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Will Sudbury get the Com7 multiplex anytime in the future? I know its not on your existing timeline on other pages , but was wondering anyhow .

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Richard E: It is unlikely, unless there is a change of heart by Ofcom or political pressure to increase coverage of COM 7. As it is the plans are to reduce the spectrum used for Freeview even further around 2018, meaning that some relays might have to be housed initially in the C31 to C37 zone. There is then discussion taking place to transfer all or most TV viewing to satellite or internet usage. What, if any, DTT could be retained in such an event to provide a back-up service remains to be seen.

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OK , many thanks , will probably try Freesat sooner or later ,just in case .

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"On the tenth day of Christmas Auntie brought to me ... five more HD channels." Well, to some of us. There are some big coverage holes. And "five more" is cheeky. Two carry children's programming in the daytime and BBC3 and BBC4 in the evenings. They are not separate channels. Freesat will doubtless gradually become the solution of choice for many. BUT many others will not have line-of-sight to 28°E or sufficient internet bandwidth to manage without Freeview. Hmmm...

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What I would like to know is:

- why hasn't COM7 launched from Sutton Coldfield at the same time as the other transmitters??

- when might we expect other main transmitters to launch?? 'Sometime in 2014' translates as 'might as well be next Christmas.

Fortunately, I can receive Belmont, so all is well. But Waltham is not available...

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Richard: COM7 from Sutton Coldfield has launched. I wouldn't expect that it would have been delayed in order to start at the same time as other transmitters.

You say you can receive from Belmont, and if you're receiving the new HD mux from Belmont then "if" you could also get the new HD mux from Sutton Coldfield then you would find that none would be available because they're both on C33!

If the information as to when the transmitters are to come on air isn't published, how might it be known? How long is a piece of string?

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I can't receive SC, I was just puzzled, because it seemed to be missing. But thanks for the tip. ;)

As for releasing launch dates, with the initial HD services, there was a great deal of clarity. I don't see why this can't be the case again, even if it involves setting up SFN's to do so.

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Are the new channels on lower power?
We are getting at leat 40% lower recieved power as read on a humax PVR box than the worst of all the other channels

we get gauaranteed breakups on BBC3-HD and BBC4-HD at least once an hour

the other channels are poor but these are just annoying

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charles: Yes, the new HD channel is lower power than the others from the few transmitters which carry it.

BBC Three HD is carried on the same multiplex (same signal) as the existing four HD services and is therefore not on lower power.

Knowledge of your location, preferably in the form of postcode or nearby one such as a shop, would allow an idea of predicted reception to be gained.

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Only BBC Four could really justify HD over SD, so I am not unduly bothered to be excluded from Auntie's magnanamous Christmas bonanza. But I could spiral into depression were I deprived of the consumer-friendly shopping and the select enrapturing nocturnal services on SD COMs...

Season's Plastic Greetings to all!

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Brian Wright: "Tony Hall, BBC Director-General, says: I am delighted that were able to launch our new HD channels in time for Christmas, when families gather together to enjoy some of the best TV from the BBC. This year, people will be able to watch even more of our programmes in brilliant quality.

Does he know when BBC national news goes to local news. when we will NOT have to change channels from Freeview CH 101 t0 CH I?.Its so annoying when ITV seem to have the problem solved .

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When, oh when, oh when?

I get an almost perfect quality of service on the HD channels but lose service completely at times on the SD, i.e.CH 1, BBC1 North West. My only reason for even visiting CH 1 is for local news, weather and features, so I get the double insult of having to change channels, then finding no signal when I get there.

As said, if ITV don't have a problem with local servicing on HD, then why is it seemingly impossible for the BBC to do the same?

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8:25 PM

Brian Wright, Stephen: It is not the case that ITV offer the "correct" local news in all regions. Indeed, most get that of another region as there are only four or five HD variants.

In your case it happens that there is a ITV HD Granada variant.

The reason that the BBC and ITV don't produce full regional HD streams is because of the additional cost to do so.

The purpose of the HD streams is to allow HD content to be viewed in HD. As the HD content is broadcast nationwide it follows that with separate regional HD streams, they would all be carrying the same thing!

Therefore the cost of having different regional HD streams is not justified although some armchair moaners clearly disagree!

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Dave Lindsay: I have to say that I don't appreciate being called an "armchair moaner" just for posing a question that I'm sure has occurred to many other licence-paying viewers.

From memory, doesn't the splash screen broadcast at the times of regional variation say something a5bout "not yet available in your area", which would clearly imply that there is promise of future availability? Doesn't that also imply that there is currently at least one area that does receive its bespoke variation?

Happy new year to all!

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Stephen: I don't know whether the BBC has introduced any regions for HD. It's likely to happen at some point, I suppose.

I think that the way to look at the issue is of why ITV has introduced regions rather than why the BBC has not.

ITV makes its living from showing adverts. By having macro regions it allows better targetting of advertising and therefore a better return from advertisers. Even Channel 4 and Channel 5 have different regions so as to show different commercials to different parts of the country.

Therefore macro-regional programming on ITV HD exists only because of the creation of those large regions for advertising purposes. If you think about it, this means that "regional" content accounts for maybe 25% of ITV output (the exact figure depending on the duration of commercials). Regional news content represents a much smaller percentage of airtime.

ITV sells advertising to macro regions, regions and, in some cases, micro-regions:





The new HD services from the BBC and others, which are available on Freeview on a quasi-national basis, will help drive the uptake of Freeview HD receivers.

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I can think of 1 BBC Region that gets BBC1 HD - N. Ireland. I suppose you could also include Wales, but AIUI, parts of N. Wales are served from England transmitters. I believe that Scotland has 2/3 regions, so BBC1 HD Scotland is not applicable for all.

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Brian Wright:
Dave Lindsay, ITV makes its living from showing adverts. By having macro regions it allows better targetting of advertising and therefore a better return from advertisers. Even Channel 4 and Channel 5 have different regions so as to show different commercials to different parts of the country.
Dave when you watch London ITV as I do then the adverts are transmitted before the news & after the news program.There are no "special " adverts for the London local input.
Crystal Palace transmits the London news so the problem lies with the extra local transmitters. I can't see why this has not been sorted ,given we have had HD in the South East for a few years now.
Of course it has no real benefit for viewers who watch TV with a screen size less than 37 inch?


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Brian Wright: I was showing some people 22in TV's this morning, and they had not problem telling the difference between SD and HD - have a look for yourself.

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Brian Wright:
MikeB.

I agree mike give me HD anytime I just think that most folks viewing from 10feet away don't appreciate the better quality.
The most benefit is not necessarily the extra bandwidth but the much less artefacts 'around the edges .

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Channel 54 from Winter Hill that carries all the HD channels is variable in signal strength;my friends aerial is a good installation and he has a Panasonic HD Viera Plasma 50in TV, when i've autotuned it 54 is variable, it comes and goes, same with manual tuning, any answers?

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I've noticed an unpleasant side effect to the pictures on the HD channels;sometimes in dimly lit or poorly lit scenes of programmes there is an unpleasant strobing/comet tailing effect with a unpleasant after-image shadowing strobe effect (similar to what has been seen in 70's pop videos and tv programmes). Nothing is wrong with my HD tv and reception equipment.

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I have set up an aerial which picks up Winter Hill at a friends house, horizontally polarised C/D group, BUT channel 54 (on which the HD multiplex is transmitted) is missing all of the channels, only a small number of the 10 that should be received are being picked up at all! Would a better quality Wideband High Gain multi-element aerial (and possibly a booster too) improve my chances of picking all 10 HD channels up on Winter Hill ch54? Or would this be a waste of money? Reception is fine by the way. Some people tell me that 54 is quite tricky to pick up and has slightly lower signal strength than the other mux's from Winter Hill;is this correct?

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Anthony: Installing a C/D aerial for TV is generally ill-advised these days because in coming years all C/D channels may be given over to mobile operators and C/D transmitters like Winter Hill will have to move to lower channels.

What is being received?

If you have the HD channels broadcast on COM7, which is on C31 then maybe the strength of C54 is OTT. My reasoning for making this suggestion is that C31 is on lower power than the other channels, plus the aerial is less sensitive because it is out-of-group. Reception is a black art, so this may not necessarily be the case, particularly in situations where line-of-sight is obstructed.

Taking the postcode you have associated with your posting it would appear that there are a number of obstructions up to about 3.5 miles out:


Terrain between ( m a.g.l.) and (antenna m a.g.l.) - Optimising UK DTT Freeview and Radio aerial location


Try, as a test, connecting only the inner core of the aerial lead. That is, remove the outer screen, for example from the plug, and plug in the centre conductor. This is in an effort to "loose" a bit of signal. Then try a manual tune on C54.

By the way, if you go to the manual tune screen and enter/select the desired UHF channel but do not press the button to scan/add services and instead wait then you should find that the device acts as a signal meter. Do this before doing the test and after and compare results.

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Anthony: I'll look for a wideband high gain 52-element aerial and set it up at my friend's house using the existing cabling pointing to Winter Hill, that should help matters. Channel 31 isn't used by Winter Hill at all, Winter Hill channels start around 45 and work upwards;Haslingden uses 26, 29 and 31.

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