Freeview reception - all about aerials

Updated 8th January 2014.
Your ability of receive all the Freeview transmissions depends on the suitability of aerial
- the design style,
- the "group", and
- its physical location.
Standard type - Yagi aerial

The standard type of TV aerial is known as the Yagi aerial. It is mounted on a pole, and consists of a rod with a reflector (shown green) at the back and many spiky elements (in grey) at the front. The connecting cable connects to the element nearest the reflector, known as the driver (shown in blue).
These Yagi aerials are directional and so pick up signals best from a transmitter that the rod points towards. The more elements the aerial has, the better it picks up a signal and becomes more directional.
A standard-type aerial is all that is required for digital TV reception in most places. These antennae have between 10 and 18 elements and a single reflector. These are recommended for new installations for good digital television reception, but will more often than not function perfectly in good reception areas.
Typically these aerials are designed to receive only some transmission frequencies - see "groups" below.
High Gain aerials

These aerials are designed for poor digital reception areas, and have two reflectors. For maximum signal strength, some digital high gain aerials have up to 100 elements. Since the switchover to digital-only transmissions back in October 2012, most UK households now have good quality digital TV signals.
A more expensive aerial is only required where the signal strength is low, but can often provide the whole Freeview reception where it might otherwise be impossible.
The CAI (that represents aerial installers) has four standards for digital TV aerials. The highest standard "1" is for homes on the fringes of coverage areas, intermediate standard "2" is suitable for use within the coverage area; minimum standard "3" is for good coverage conditions.
These aerials can be either wideband, or receive only selected frequencies - see "groups" below.
Grid

You may haved used a 'Grid aerial' for analogue reception, but as they are generally unsuitable for Freeview reception, they have now generally been replaced by the Yagi type. However in some places a Grid aerial installation may work for Freeview: otherwise replace with a standard Yagi aerial.
Indoor
Indoor aerials are generally not suitable for Freeview reception. In areas of good signal strength it is often possible to receive some transmissions. Even where an aerial works, people often find that may get interruptions to their viewing (or recording).Loft mounted
Loft mounted arrivals are not generally recommended for Freeview reception, as the roof tiles and plumbing will degrade the signal. Some compensation for this loss of signal can be made by using satellite-grade cable to connect the set top box to the aerial.Positioning
The best position for a TV aerial is mounted outdoors, as high from the ground as possible, pointing directly at the transmitter. The signal can be blocked by hills and tall buildings. It should be positioned away from any other aerials.Horizontal or vertical?
The transmitter will either use vertical mode which requires the elements of your aerial to be up-down, or horizontal mode which requires them to be level with the ground.Groups
Both analogue and digital television is transmitted the same group of transmission frequencies (known as channel 21 through to 60). A coloured marking on the aerial shows the group.
To create the best possible analogue picture, TV transmissions from adjacent transmitters have been designated to several different groups of frequencies. By using an aerial that receives only the channels in the correct group, the analogue picture can be kept free from interference.
To receive Freeview transmissions from the same transmitter it has been sometimes necessary to use frequencies that are not part of the transmitter's normal group. When this has occurred, the aerial will need to be replaced with a "wideband" aerial (also known as group W) - one that covers every group.
As Ofcom is planning to move the TV frequencies again - perhaps as soon as 2018 - it may be wise to use a wideband aerial if you can to ensure you can keep viewing Freeview for many years to come.
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Thursday, 29 December 2011
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Kelly4:31 PM
We used to receive all freeview channels. Now we are missing all in multiplex A. What can we do to get them back. Reading comments online looks like it happened along the same time as an upgrade at Crystal Palace. Could this be the reason. What do we need to do. We have tried resetting a few times on different days but still nothing.
After purchasing a built in freeview hd ready tv we are not happy.
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Friday, 30 December 2011
Sunday, 1 January 2012
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Harry2:41 PM
Fareham
I live in Fareham Hants.and get Freeview via a rooftop aerial.My "full HD TV set" screen says I am receiving HD Freeview.This area doesnt switchover till March 2012 ,so am I getting analogue or HD freeview at the moment.Will I need a box or a HD freeview TV after switchover.
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Harry's: mapH's Freeview map terrainH's terrain plot wavesH's frequency data H's Freeview Detailed Coverage
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hani2:52 PM
Hi all. I need to place a new aerial , a digital aerial for bad reception area (Twickenham, Whitton area) I also need to have a split and a booster as we will need to connect it to four TVs. Does anyone know of a reputable company or a person in the TW3 area who will not con me and how much would I be expected to spend to get such work done. I appreciate your help and happy new year.
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hani: The current Freeview signal is much weaker than it will be when switchover occurs in April. Thus, at present it doesn't reach as many places as the current analogue does.
The aim is that the coverage area of the digital signal will (come switchover) match that of the current analogue.
If you have a new aerial fitted now, in order to get this low-power digital, then (it is likely) a bigger aerial will be needed now, with a not so big aerial being needed after switchover. (I am speaking in very general terms here; I hope that this conveys the situation now and how it will change in April.
As such, with switchover three months away, I suggest that you leave your aerial as it is now because your current installation might be sufficient after switchover. That means that had you spent your money now it would only be of benefit for the coming three months. (I appreciate that once you've spent the money and changed your aerial, there is no way to see if the current aerial would work after switchover!).
If you still have issues after switchover, then look at having your aerial system looked at.
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Harry: If the specification for the TV says that the tuner can receive DVB-T2 then it is HD. DVB-T is what standard definition are.
Alternatively, if you post the make and model number, we can see if the specifications can be found in order to give an answer to your question.
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jb383:18 PM
Harry: The easy way for anyone to know if they have picked up an HD signal is if anything is shown in the EPG list from 50 to 54, because as you obviously realise HD (from Rowridge) is not available in your area until March 21st and its very unlikely you will be picking it up from elsewhere unless through freak reception conditions.
That said though, if you did see anything in the 50 / 54 carry out a signal check whilst viewing it noting the Mux channel number shown associated with the strength bar and this can be cross checked with any possible sources.
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Harry3:33 PM
Fareham
Hi Dave Lindsay
Your reply 1.1.12 3.17pm
Model is LG 32LG3000
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Harry's: mapH's Freeview map terrainH's terrain plot wavesH's frequency data H's Freeview Detailed Coverage
Harry: Information on this model is here:
LG 32LG3000 Television - 32" HD Ready LCD TV - LG Electronics UK
It says that it is "HD Ready" which means that it can show HD pictures but does not have the means to receive them on Freeview. So in order to receive HD services on Freeview, you will need a separate receiver.
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Monday, 2 January 2012
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Jenny12:56 PM
I'm sorry if this is a silly question, but I'm hoping for some advice. Can I start by saying that I very rarely watch tv and have very little technical ability, hubby enjoys watching TV a lot and is very technically minded (he works in IT!)and neither of us has much in the way of DIY skills! We have a tv in the sitting room, which gives us freeview.I think it uses the outside aerial to get the picture, and I'm assuming the signal strength is ok, as hubby doesn't complain! We were given a new tv for the bedroom for Christmas, but can't get a picture on it as there isn't an aerial socket (if that is the right word?) up there. Hubby bought an rabbits ears antenna, which worked well and we got a good picture, but it looked hideous, took up too much space and kept falling off the chest of drawers, so had to go back. As most of my friends have several (working!) tvs in their homes and none with obvious aerials cluttering up the place, I naively assumed that tvs nowadays had their own internal aerial, but this obviously isnt the case. Can anyone recommend a solution please? Drilling holes in walls or ceilings isnt an option as we rent, and I dont want to run cables up walls or the stairs as that also looks hideous!
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Mazbar2:05 PM
jenny the only solution would be to ask your landlord if you can put an aerial into the bedroom. tell him that you will need to have a cable into the bedroom from the outside this will need a hole through the wall this should be a maximun of 10mm and finished with cable tidys. your landlord should be ok with this because when you leave he gets a free aerial. If you are very lucky he might even pay for it. Hope this helps
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Steve P2:49 PM
Jenny if you post your postcode we can help more; but if you got a good result with the "rabbit's ears" there is a good chance with some other form of internal aerial.
Or possibly even with a wire along the picture rail!
Did you try other locations for the rabbit ears?
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Andy2:50 PM
Bradford
Hello All; any help appreciated.
I live in BD14 (Bradford, West Yorks. Official awitchover sites seem to indicate that I should be using Bilsdale transmitter (not switched over yet & shows Tyne-Tees). I am currently receiving Yorkshire TV & local shows, so I guess I'm on a different transmitter - Bradford West/Idle/Emley?
I get hardly any freeview channels (about 3)and reckon I need to upgrade my aerial. Before I do I would like to know which transmitter I should be aiming at, as the Group/polarisation is different. I think I am currently pointing in the direction of Idle & Bradford West (same direction from my house), definitely not at Emley. Looking at the info on this sit it seems to indicate that Emley would be my best bet. Any ideas?
I would appreciate any advice as I'm clueless. Thanks, Andy
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Andy's: mapA's Freeview map terrainA's terrain plot wavesA's frequency data A's Freeview Detailed Coverage
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jb384:08 PM
Andy: Both Emley Moor and Keighley are indicated as the best possibilities with both being full service Freeview stations, Emley @ 13mls (151 degrees / H polarisation) having the edge over Keighley @ 9mls (338 degrees / V polarisation)
Idle @ 5 mls (37 degrees / V polarisation) is also shown possible but with three of its multiplexes having the status of variable until next September, and with Wharfedale @ 12mls (25 degrees / V polarisation) although indicating as good being only a Freeview light PSB station. (limited channels)
Bilsdale @ 48 mls (34 degrees / H) is really a no go situation until Sep 26th, as up until then only the BBC and SDN (ITV3 etc) is shown as possible, so unless there are any dastardly obstructions between you and Emley Moor I would aim to be receiving from there, possibly using Keighley or Idle as back up choices.
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Andy: Have a look at where the aerials are pointing on neighbours' houses. I had a look on Google Streetview and I spotted some on Emley and, I'm surprised (because it's Tyne Tees), some on Bilsdale.
The idea of the predictor is to give an idea of what the likelihood of picking up different transmitters at a particular location is. Because it reckons that Bilsdale is the best of the lot, it therefore considers your area to be a Tyne Tees one. However, because the area isn't flat, what can and can't be picked up could well change from house to house.
As a fellow Yorkshireman, I would assume that you'd probably want to watch Yorkshire TV instead, so Emley (or one of its dependants) is probably going to be your preference, if you can receive from one of them.
There is presumably some reason (the topography) that stops people (or reduces their chances of) receiving from Emley. This plot shows where the ground obstructs your view of Emley Moor transmitter, with the aerial height set at 10 metres:
Terrain between ( m a.g.l.) and (antenna m a.g.l.) - Optimising UK DTT Freeview and Radio aerial location
As you can see, between about half a mile away from you for just over half a mile, the ground is higher than the line of sight between the transmitting aerial and your aerial (if it were at 10m above ground). That could explain why some in the area watch Tyne Tees.
You also do not have line of site with Keighley. However, you do with Idle, but it's only 50W at 4.6miles away. The other thing with Idle is that some of its services are co-channel with Bilsdale's pre-switchover digital services and this is reflected in the prediction until its switchover. That is, you could be liable to poor reception from Idle because some of Bilsdale's digital services use the same frequencies (up until 26th September).
Clearly your chances (particularly of getting Emley) might be reduced if you're in one of those bungalows, due to the aerial being lower down.
Number 37 has two aerials, one is Bilsdale (the lower horizontal one) and the other is vertical in (about) the same direction which I guess is Idle (although Wharfdale's only 9 degrees away so it could be that). The reason for the Bilsdale one could be so as to get analogue Channel 5 (as Idle didn't carry it).
You might need to be prepared to pay a bit more and get a taller mast (for example), such as is fitted on 37 so as to give you a shot, particularly if you're in a bungalow. As I say, what you might need to receive the same signal might vary property by property.
I'm not an aerial installer and these are my thoughts and observations as a technically-minded individual. These are the sorts of things that I would be looking at if I were researching likely possibilities.
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Andy: Which Freeview channels are you picking up?
You say that you are getting about three of them. Looking at what UHF channels that have been picked up will inform you as to which transmitter that they are coming from.
This page lists what services are broadcast on each multiplex, before switchover and after:
http://www.dtg.org.uk/ind…html
So if you look for BBC One, ITV1, ITV3, Pick TV and Yesterday and check which UHF channel they are on, in so doing, you will have surveyed every multiplex. You will also be able to see which ones you are missing.
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jb385:37 PM
Dave Lindsay: Re:- "Because it reckons that Bilsdale is the best of the lot", I assume that "if" has accidentally been omitted after "Because"? as the DRG trade view predictor certainly doesn't indicate Bilsdale as a possible on the post code supplied by Andy.
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jb38: I meant to say that the predictor reckons that Bilsdale is the best after switchover. From my observations, I believe that it is on this basis on which region it asserts a particular post code is in (even if that post code is surrounded by a different region).
I think that this is probably why Bilsdale is listed at the top on the list of transmitters; because it is the only one that scores all 100s across the board after switchover.
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dennis6:47 PM
Woodbridge
Hello,
I live in IP12 area and since the digital switch over I have lost channels I could previously get ( film4 dave, yesterday to name 3). I have a standard roof top aerial and a Panasonic t.v. with built in Freeview.I have retuned many times to no avail. Would a high gain aerial make any difference?
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dennis: Lots of people in Suffolk are having the same problem since the signal was changed.
It will return on 27th June when the frequency and power of the signal will be increased to that of the others.
The reason for this is so as to fit in with other transmitters that haven't switched yet.
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jb387:34 PM
Dave Lindsay: Yes! no problem, as I just assumed that what was actually meant didn't come out that way in the text, easy to do in a small reply box facility where you cant preview something before its posted, this being why I always type my answers to whoever out in an e-mail screen then copy and paste them into the reply box, this of course being why I might occasionally accidentally clash with another reply posting as I am not constantly viewing the reply box.
However on the subject of Bilsdale, yes you are quite correct, insomuch that in September it does show a slight edge over Emley in its overall reception qualities, although DRG's forecasts frequently amaze me with what I consider to be the level of educated guesswork involved with the predictions, these based on a limited number of actual on site field tests, that is if at all! as they make forecasts on stations that aren't actually transmitting as yet.
I dare say you have maybe had a look at the line of site between Emley Moor and Andy's location, which I haven't!, but I would like to think that some obstruction must be in evidence at some point along the line, as if DRG can predict that a station (Bilsdale) located at 48 miles away with a PSB erp of 100Kw and a COM erp of 50Kw, can better a station (Emley Moor) at only 13 miles with an erp of 175Kw across all muxes, then there just has to be.
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dennis7:37 PM
Woodbridge
Dave Lindsay. Thanks for the help.
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Robin8:12 PM
Hello
A strange thing happened yesterday evening, our BBC multiplex channels started to get poor reception and by the end of the night eventually lost all signal. I have re- scanned and tried all the unplugging things you suggest but still have no BBC channels. I have had no problems recieving these channels in the past. I am in Perth Scotland.
Might the aerial have gone wrong, I dont think it is a digital one.
Any info appreciated.
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Mazbar9:28 PM
Hi robin your aerial could be faulty first things first it has been windy so is your aerial still up and facing the right way, if it the next thing to check is the tv aerial cable for water this gets in when the cable is broken if there is water take the plug out of your tv or set to box and either change the cable from the aerial direct or replace the whole aerial and cable or get an aerial man to do it that is the safest thing to do.
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Tuesday, 3 January 2012
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Steve P12:22 PM
... UK digital TV reception predictor
Andy - according to this you have a wide choice of adequate signals. Suggests local terrain issues.
A local ae fitter's knoiwledge may be what you need.
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jb38: I plotted the terrain using Megalithia and the link for Emley Moor is above. The line of sight is obstructed for about a mile just under half a mile away from Andy's location.
Andy: Perhaps you can confirm what you can and can't get and what channels they are on. Also, was there any interference on any analogue channels when they were on, and if so which?
I wonder, if you are on Idle, if could be interference from the pre-switchover digital signals from Bilsdale that is the problem. Bilsdale is in the same direction, albeit different polarisation. The predictor does suggest that reception from Idle will improve on the same date that these signals are turned off from Bilsdale.
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jb385:19 PM
Dave Lindsay: Well I suppose that possibly confirms why DRG are predicting Bilsdale as having the edge over Emley, I do realise that Megalithia is quite a handy tool for terrain checking etc, but I personally find it a bit of a bind to use with the amount of conversions involved before you can get the results, which up to a point generally reveal what was suspected in the first place.
I cant see the link you refer to though!
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Andy7:22 PM
Bradford
Thanks to everyone for their help.
I've checked the channels & I only get the BBC stuff (7 channels on Channel 34). Can I assume from this that I am indeed pointing at Bilsdale? I get no other channels. The thing I don't understand is that I am definitely getting Yorkshire TV, not Tynes Tees - how can this be?
I think I'll call in a man!
Once again, thanks for the suggestions
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Andy's: mapA's Freeview map terrainA's terrain plot wavesA's frequency data A's Freeview Detailed Coverage
Andy: If your aerial is horizontal and pointing a bit clockwise of north, then it is on Bilsdale. If this is the case, then you have not switched over to digital yet; you still get analogue (including regional programming BBC North East & Cumbria and Tyne Tees). The digital service you are receiving is (presumably) the only low power pre-switchover one you can get. If you are receiving anything with Yorkshire regional programming, then you must be receiving it from elsewhere (not where your aerial is directed), in which case you need to either retune or have an aerial installed on another (Yorkshire) transmitter).
On the other hand, if your aerial is directed at Idle which is the same direction as Bilsdale but aerial vertical, then the lone multiplex that you are getting on your digital receiver is wrong as it is tuned to the Bilsdale one. In which case (if you're on Idle), I would wipe the digital channels stored (maybe there is an option in the menu or maybe you will have to do this by running the auto-tune scan through with the aerial unplugged). Then manually tune in the Idle multiplexes: 24, 21, 27 (HD), 42, 45, 39.
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Wednesday, 4 January 2012
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Sarah6:48 PM
can you help me please.
(Crystal Palace transmitter)
We have sky downstairs.
However the TV's (not digital TV's) in the bedrooms are all analogue. We have never had an aerial on the roof as have never needed one.
will i need to have pay money i can't afford to have an aerial installed for these TV's to work following the switch in April.
Kind Regards
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KMJ,Derby7:11 PM
Sarah: How do the TVs receive the analogue channels at present? You will have to purchase a freeview box for each TV if you wish to continue viewing broadcast channels, but if you are in a strong signal area and currently have a good clear analogue picture it is possible that your freeview boxes will work ok using whatever aerial you currently have. However, if you are putting up with a grainy picture which changes as people walk about, then you will need a better aerial, at least in the loft in order to deliver a stable signal to each TV.
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Sarah7:34 PM
London
KMJ,Derby : We use fairly cheap indoor aerials and yes they do get a bit snowy but they are only very old style portable TV's (they don't have scart connections)
i have one amplified aerial on a freeview TV downstairs but half the channels are missing.
So basically if i want the TV's upstairs to work i'm gonna have pay a small fortune!!!
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Sarah: At 5.7 miles from Crystal Palace with clear line of sight to the transmitter (at roof level, assuming no local obstruction), you might be lucky.
The transmitter is to your west and therefore I would suggest that the signal is going to be best at that side of the house. You might have to experiment siting your aerial in various places in the room. An aerial extension lead might be helpful and you may have one or more of them from video recorders or similar devices (what you used to connect the video to the TV).
You might find that putting the aerial on the top of a wardrobe or shelves might help. Also, don't assume that higher is better; often it is but sometimes inside that doesn't hold good, so you've really got to experiment.
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Sarah: The digital signal from Crystal Palace is weaker now than it will be after switchover in April. You could try your aerials with digital now, but if they don't work successfully, they might do after switchover. However, if they do work now, it's fair to assume that they are likely to work after.
One other thing you could do is, whilst you have analogue still available, do some experimentation to see what parts of the room the signal is good and where it's not so good. This might be helpful as the digital signals (after switchover) might be good in the same places that analogue is good now. If you do carry out this test, don't use Channel 5 because its signal is not from Crystal Palace.
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KMJ,Derby8:00 PM
Sarah: If the TVs have no scart socket you will have to search out a freeview box with an inbuilt RF modulator so that the output can be received via the aerial socket. Remember that the transmitter power is increased at switchover, so you might find that you are then able to receive all the channels downstairs using your amplified indoor aerial. Reception upstairs is usually better than downstairs and you are shown as being in a good reception area (albeit that predicted reception is based on using a roof aerial, with no local obstructions in the signal path) You could try a suitable freeview box on one of the TVs, then you will be in a better position to decide what you need to do.
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jb388:06 PM
Sarah: I would like to back up what Dave Lindsay has said, insomuch that its almost guaranteed that come next April 18th when Crystal Palace switches to high power (from 20Kw up to 200Kw) that when you presently manage to get what you do with the station on low power, then come April you are most likely to receive all channels with the minimum of effort even allowing for the fact that set top type aerials are not really recommended for Freeview reception.
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Sarah8:07 PM
London
Dave Lindsay: i will experiment. there are some large trees at the side of the house but it doesn't need to be perfect as there not the main TV's
Thanks for your help
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Sarah8:18 PM
London
jb38: i have freeview TV downstairs which does work with an amplified aerial but as i said half the channels are missing. so i will wait and how that responds before i decide what i
need to do.
Thank you everyone
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Sarah: I have one of these Labgear set-top aerials:
Discontinued - Labgear Tristar ANR310 | digital tv aerials | indoor aerials | tv aerials | best tv aerial | indoor aerial Test Reports | summary report for the Labgear Tristar ANR310
I usually use a loft aerial, but I have sometimes used it on the first floor. I am 25 miles from Emley Moor and obtained good reception on digital channels before switchover. I have line of sight at roof level.
There can't be any guarantees, but I'd certainly give it a shot.
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jb389:05 PM
Sarah: Yes! best policy, at just under 6 miles from a 200Kw transmitter you might even suffer from the effects of an over powerful signal if you elaborate to much with your aerial system, this based on what you are getting at present, as many people located at that type of distance from a powerful transmitter find that they can even get reception with a short piece of wire pushed into the TV's or boxes aerial socket, not of course that I am advocating that being done!
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Friday, 6 January 2012
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alan steer6:31 PM
can i use my sky sat/dish to recieve a tv signal
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Saturday, 7 January 2012
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jb388:11 AM
alan steer: Not if you are thinking along the lines of using it for reception of any signals other than from a Satellite, that said though some have been known to use a single wire connection to the end of the cable to receive normal (AM/FM/SW) radio broadcasts, as it would then just perform in exactly the same way as would a length of ordinary cable pushed into an aerial socket.
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Steve P12:09 PM
can i use my sky sat/dish to recieve a tv signal
That is the only thing you can do with it. Except perhaps as a baseball target or art object.
If you mean TERRESTIAL TV, not unless you have so strong a signal that you don't need a proper aerial, and even then a Sketchley Loop will probably do better.
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Monday, 9 January 2012
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Pinkie6:19 PM
Hi all
I have a TV and recordable Freeview box both which were causing me no issues regarding reception (although ch4, E4 and More4 were a bit ropey). As of a couple of weeks ago some channels (ITV, 4, E4, Ch5 have moved to the 800's and I have lost reception of these channels completely through the TV but not through the Freeview box (where the channels have remained the same)
Also my DAB radio keeps cutting out after 10-20 mins whereas before it rarely did.
Hope someone can help as this is driving me nuts!
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Hi, in response to these people's quetions, may I add that AFTER the digital switchover in the UK in April 2012 ALL Freeview signals will be much stronger. I myself are in a strong signal area, but use just a loft ariel and cheap-plug in signal booster. I CAN receive MOST of the Freeview channels with this set up, using my combi freeview box connected to a standard scart-TV (NON-HD TV or anything like that).
In response to questions regarding satellite dishes, may I add you need a separate standard rooftop or high-gain ariel to receive Terrestial TV or Freeview. To run Freesat and Freeview at the same time for example you would need BOTH a satellite dish AND a rooftop ariel, ideally. Along with this you would ALSO need either a scart switcher connected to the 2 boxes with scart leads andor an LNB signal splitter, since one signal is DVB-T (terrestial) and the other is DVB-S (satellite).
I hope this helps you all?
Thanks, from Dan. :)
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In response to Pinkie, have you tried looking in Argos or Ebay for cheap plug-in-the-mains signal boosters?
That is what I use for my Freeview. :)
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Steve P10:56 PM
Pinkie - have you tried complete retune? Possibly with "no aerial connected" retune to get a clear start.
Where are you is critical to more help.
DAB radios - bin them
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Tuesday, 10 January 2012
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jb3810:01 AM
Daniel: You cannot (easily anyway) split an LNB signal, as a satellite box sends instructions (voltages) to the LNB regarding polarity (H or V) changing hence terrestrial and satellite are technically incompatible as far as their actual reception side is concerned, as so its only their analogue scart output signals than can be switched between each.
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Steve P12:14 PM
I coulde not underestand the relevence to Terrestial of splitting an LNB signal at all.
But don't recent sky boxes get two signal from one LNB - record one, watch other? Where earlier ones had two LNBs?
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jb389:48 PM
Steve P: No there isn't any! I was really correcting the part of the statement referring to an LNB splitter, which doesn't actually exist as such albeit there is a device called a stacker around £80.00 or so than can feed two "satellite" signals down one cable, and a device that's critical in use to the extent that it really requires CT100 cable to be used for satisfactory operation.
As regards to latter comment, yes Sky+ boxes as well as Freesat recorders use twin inputs from either a dual or a quad block, but no matter what the type each of its oututs are totally independent of each other as though they were separate units bunched together.
i.e: There isn't any splitting involved.
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Friday, 13 January 2012
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Mike12:48 PM
Biggleswade
I have to say that your explanation about different aerials is somewaht confusing. Firstly you say that Yagi aerials would not normally be used for new digital installions then further down (under grids) you say that a high=gain Yagi should be used! You talk about signal groups, including wideband, but give no examples of what these aerials look like! How can you identify a wideband aerial!!!
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KMJ,Derby1:55 PM
Mike: A wideband aerial at first sight does not look any different to a "grouped" aerial. The actual difference would be in the length and spacing of the rods, which affects the frequencies at which the aerial performs correctly. The original yagi design has dimensions which are based on the wavelength of the frequency that it is supposed to receive. A "grouped" aerial is a compromise worked out to cover a small range of frequencies by tweaking the length and spacing of the rods. For example Group "A" covers C21 to C37. A "wideband" aerial is a bigger compromise, designed to cover, in the case of domestic TV reception, the frequencies of C21 to C68. The downside of covering all the available frequencies is a general reduction in the gain for the particular size of aerial. The reference to an aerial not normally fitted in new installations is a type commonly called a "contract" aerial. This is a yagi fitted with a single plate reflector, as in the basic example at the top of the page. The type of yagi which would be fitted is the one shown in the second set of illustrations, the reflector being in two sections. Variations to the yagi design are the tri-boom and X-beam types also depicted in the second set of illustrations. The group of the aerial is often indicated by a coloured plastic stopper inserted at the end of the boom. Red=A, yellow=B, green=C/D, brown=E, grey=K and black=W (wideband). The group is otherwise shown by a sticker, or letter stamped on the aerial.
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Steve P2:43 PM
Brian - Mike has a point. The wording below may confuse the uninitiated?
A standard-type aerial is all that is required for analogue TV reception in most places. These antennae have between 10 and 18 elements and a single reflector. These are not recommended for new installations for good digital television reception, but will more often than not function perfectly in good reception areas.
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Sunday, 15 January 2012
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PETER5:16 PM
Just fitted New TV aerial good reception most channels but no BBC
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jb387:09 PM
PETER: As your query concerns reception it would obviously be of assistance to know your location, preferably in the form of a post code as this would enable signal checking.
However, as the BBC (anywhere) is generally always the guaranteed to receive channel, then unless the transmitter was down when you first scanned I would be inclined to re-set your TV or box and carry out another scan.
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Monday, 16 January 2012
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Joy3:47 PM
Hi, I wonder if someone can help please. I have just moved into a flat (rented) and have three arial cables:
1) Looks like a F connecter
2) Box with both 'TV' and 'Sat' on it. (I've tried the tv and it doesn't work)
3) Normal tv ariel lead.
I want to plug my freeview box in ideally to the f connector lead as it's in the living room, but I can't work out what connector I need to hook it up to the freeview box. (the box has male and female points)
Can anyone advise please? I would be eternally grateful
Many thanks
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jb385:21 PM
Joy: The "F" connector you see was likely used by the previous occupier having either Sky or Freesat, obviously this lead not being any use for Freeview, so if that's the only one in the living room then you will require to make some alterations.
Regarding the box referred to, what brand / model do you see printed on it? an when you say "normal TV lead" are you referring to one of the cables, and if so, was it this one you used to try out your Freeview box?
If the box you refer to is indeed an operational Satellite box then you might not require your Freeview box, as all you require to do is couple the box into your TV via the scart connectors.
Anyway, if you could give an update on the model of box further advice can then be given.
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Steve P6:56 PM
jb38 - are you telling Joy to
"Think outside the box"?
Sorry - getting my coat
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PETER8:30 PM
PETER:
jb38
thank you for advise will try that.
peter
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Thursday, 19 January 2012
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Mazbar2:29 PM
Hi can i get some help from the aerial riggers on this site. I have just come back from a recall i fitted an lp45 log periodic aerial down to a class a splitter in the front room short lead and a run to back room signal strength on all multiplexs is 70 to 77 dbuv after the splitter ( not amplifer) the problem is the picture is breaking up very bad on the samsung own signal strength it is going to 10 on the quality it should be 0. Have changed the aerial to a sr12 yagi type aerial this seems to have cured the problem. What i want to know is what could be causing the problem . Other information no trees in the way and i can see winter hill from the roof cable changed when the job was done last week, any help would go down great .
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Friday, 20 January 2012
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Steve P6:15 PM
Mazbar I am not onee of you experts but could it be too strong a signal?
Did you try an attenuator?
IIRC you are in Ormskirk? Most of your territory presumably gets a very chunky signal from W Hill?
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Mazbar8:16 PM
Steve p 18db anttenuator still no good found out today the change of aerial has made any differance
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jb389:45 PM
Mazbar: On reading your posting there was two little points I wondered about, these being, when you say that the signal on the Samsung is breaking up very badly is this on all channels? and if it isn't, then have you verified (by channel number checking) that the Samsung is receiving all of its compliment of six muxes from Winter Hill and not picking some up from elsewhere? something which isn't entirely impossible on looking at the reception predictions for that area, Moel y Parc and Llanddona being two of the possibilities particularly the former.
Just to clarify, on your latest posting are you meaning that the change of aerial has made no difference? and finally isn't there another TV in the house that can be used to assess performance?
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jb3811:22 PM
Mazbar: Meant also to include, that although you will probably have them to hand anyway but the multiplexes used by Winter Hill are Ch's 62 - 59 - 54(HD)- 58 - 61 - 55, there is a very local channel called "Men" on 1Kw but you might not receive that at 15mls.
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Saturday, 21 January 2012
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Mazbar6:09 AM
jb38 all tuned into winter hill and all tvs are showing the fault
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Mike9:37 AM
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KMJ: Thanks for your explanation of aerials, we clearly have a contract one. Delayed response since I couldnt find my way back to section I had posted my original comment!
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jb381:13 PM
Mazbar: Well now you have confirmed these important points I suppose you have to look at the situation logically, insomuch that "if" you are certain that your installation is sound but are getting these results from a transmitter that can actually be seen (albeit @ 15 miles) then the problem has to be caused by something out with your control, so in cases like that the first thing to do is enquire with the persons next door neighbours to find out if they have similar problems with reception, if though they don't then apart from some localised interference occurring then the location of your aerial could be unfortunately positioned in a signal dip spot where its subject to reflections, something quite commonly found in 360 degree testing from a mast, this where loft aerials score as they can be moved in the horizontal plane to compensate.
That being said though, if on the other hand the signal is indeed excessive then the attenuator I note that you tried might not be sufficient, so cant you connect a short lead onto the log that you originally fitted (which should have been ok) and couple that straight into the TV? as if you can manage to point in the direction of the station (in same room as TV) then that should pick it up if the signal is a bit over the top.
The other factor is, that if you say this problem is across all channels (multiplexes?) then that effectively excludes RF interference from other distant transmitters, so as you will gather there isn't a straight answer to the problem experienced as it requires a level of on site investigation / testing to determine the exact cause.
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Mazbar2:14 PM
Jb going back on sunday the mast is only very short about 2ft as that was all that was needed so i'm going to try a 5 ft mast and replace the coax if this dosnt work god only knows what im going to do
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jb383:58 PM
Mazbar: Well although you could try another length of mounting pole I am very doubtful if it will make any difference, especially if the aerial presently has a reasonably clear view towards the transmitter, as signal variations of the beneficial are usually always as the result of making adjustments in the horizontal plane, which of course are not an easy option with a chimney or roof mounted aerial in general.
I would definitely make a couple of local enquiries whilst you are at the location, just in case if by any chance you have unwittingly ventured into a not too obvious black spot for reception, as I did notice when looking at the two reception predictors, both of which always having to be taken with the usual pinch of salt, that the UK Digital TV predictor (ex- Wolfbane) and DTG's are a bit at odds with each other, as although DTG gives a glowing indication for reception at L39 the former indicates Winter Hill with the lowest dBu/Vm of all, even although the TX powers are correct suggesting up to date information.
Another aspect exists though, that of your statement that changing the aerial had made a difference only later to discover that it hadn't, as this would suggest an erratic element attached to the problem, this being the difficulty with what you are attempting as any changes observed may only be temporary, this why its best to check on local reception in case you are flogging the proverbial dead horse!
Would appreciate an update on how you get on.
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Mazbar4:08 PM
Jb i work in this road all the time and have never had this type of problem.
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Steve P4:33 PM
Maz have you tried a different TV and/or tuner box?
Take one with you tomorrow?
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jb386:20 PM
Mazbar: That being the case then you will have to double check all you have done, plus the possibility of localised interference originating from within the property, and I am referring more to mains borne interference from devices with faulty chattering thermostat switches, like heaters / hot water tank systems / fridges / freezers, or alternatively other electrical devices with brush type motors, e.g: sewing machines and such likes.
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jb386:23 PM
Mazbar: Also meant to add, try the aerial directly into the TV without the splitter being involved or anything else.
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jb387:05 PM
Mazbar: Plus a good aid to detecting mains borne interference is by the use of a small portable radio that has medium or long wave bands on it, just switch it on and select LW, or if no LW then MW but tune it towards the 500Khz end of the scale but "not" on a station, then with the volume turned up a bit try sitting the radio near to a socket or any power cables feeding same, because if any device is causing mains borne interference it will show up as a loud purring or banging noise on the radio, don't sit it near to an LCD TV though, as some of these can create loud rippling noises on MW.
Alternatively, you could just try tests sitting it beside one of the devices referred to as possible sources of interference.
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Sunday, 22 January 2012
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Mazbar1:56 PM
Sit sep customer called last night to tell me he had a new tv delivered and everything seemed ok i dont think so but i will wait and see. Went to another customer there itv was breaking up changed everything nothing helped put a set top box everything fine i have all the luck
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Monday, 23 January 2012
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dave10:06 AM
Mazbar: hi maybe it could be a cordless telephone near the tv?
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Wednesday, 25 January 2012
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ian ayres9:25 PM
ive just brought a view quest pdvd7d portable 7" portable dvd tv to use on my fishing trips it says its dvb-t and has built in freeview. it only has a small 4" ariel and i cant get a signal. what can i do to get a signal. theres no power obviously to plug a mains booster in and cant take a huge ariel with me. any ideas????
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Thursday, 26 January 2012
ian ayres: Freeview reception requires a rooftop aerial. If you were sold such a device being told you could use it in the way you describe, I would take it back and demand a refund.
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ian ayres: The problem is that water tends to be low down which is where (generally speaking) signals are at their lowest. And the whip antenna is very poor and will only work in the strongest areas. And it's usually only mounted vertically (many areas require horizontal aerials).
It really does depend on where you are as to what your chances are. Set-top aerials by their very nature are smaller and therefore less sensitive than the ones you put outside. There are no guarantees of success; all you can do is take steps to increase your chances within the bounds of any restrictions such as the size of the aerial.
It's probably impractical to mount something like this on a pole or stick into the ground:
TV Aerials for Boats and Caravans
Personally, for a set-top aerial I would always go for one that is directional, polarised and does NOT incorporate an amplifier. Basically, they're ones that look like smaller versions of the types you see on roof-tops. You can point in one particular direction, are flat and can be mounted horizontally or vertically depending on the transmitter being received from.
I have a Labgear one like this:
Set Top Aerial Labgear | eBay
I suggest that you might well need to raise it above the ground by fixing it on to the end of a stick or pole. You might need a short aerial extension such as those supplied with video recorders.
Knowing the transmitter(s) in the area is useful. You might be able to tune in the TV beforehand in a location where you can receive from the transmitter that best serves the location you intend to fish (if any). The thing with tuning a TV is that you need to be in a location where the signal can be received in order to tune to it. But to put your aerial where it will pick up a signal, you need your TV to be tuned so you can move the aerial to best effect.
Mobile phones in close proximity are likely to interfere when they are transmitting.
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Tuesday, 31 January 2012
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russell Jones5:59 PM
New Tredegar
hi, I live in the new tredegar,gwent area and I am only able to pick up basic freeview progs(on a freeview t.v....not a set top box ).I have the same arial as when analogue was transmitted.It is pointing toward the Rhymney transmitter.Would purchasing a different arial help,and if so which arial should I buy ?
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russell jones: Probably not. See here for an explanation:
Will there ever be more services on the Freeview Light transmitters? | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice
Freesat is probably your main option for getting extra channels.
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Sunday, 5 February 2012
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Chris9:33 AM
Farnborough
Hi can you tell me is the transmitters at Basingstoke and mid hurst going to be boosted as I live in farnborough and can only point my areial south?
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KMJ,Derby10:13 AM
Chris: Yes, the power at Midhurst will be increased at switchover. You are however only predicted to have variable reception from this transmitter, meaning that different positions of the aerial could make a lot of difference to whether you receive a reliable signal or not. The best reception from Midhurst is shown for mux BBCA which enters service on 29th February 2012 on C55. The remaining muxes adopt high power working on 14th March 2012. Your best predicted reception is shown as being from Hannington, aerial pointing W. This transmitter has DSO on 8th February 2012 for mux BBCA, with the remaining muxes changing frequency on 14th March 2012. Note that the low power antenna will be used by SDN until 4th April 2012 and ArqA and ArqB until 18th April 2012.
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Chris10:18 AM
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Thanks that is a great help :)
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Chris: Switchover at Midhurst is on 29th February and 14th March.
On 29th February, BBC Two analogue will be switched off and on the same UHF channel will go the full power BBC standard definition services. Then the rest of the analogue channels are turned off two weeks later.
The latest Ofcom document shows that some services will be on low power for a period and that others will be subject to reactive power decrease if necessary. It is probably worth being aware of this as if you are in a poor signal area, it could affect you:
BBC A (BBC standard definition TV & radio) Ch55 @ 20kW but with "a reactive power decrease to 10kW is an option if required".
D3&4 (ITV1, C4, C5 etc) Ch61 @ 20kW, as BBC (reactive decrease to 10kW).
BBC B (HD services) Ch58 @ 20kW. No reactive power, so will be at full power.
SDN (ITV3 etc) Ch62 @ 10kW. No reactive power, so will be at full power.
Arq A (Pick TV etc) Ch59 @ 10kW. Until 20th June there will be a reactive power to 5kW if required.
Arq B (Yesterday etc) Ch50 @ 10kW. Until 25th April, this will be at 1kW.
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John Turley10:41 AM
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I have two tv's one has a freeview box I receive all channels. The other has built in freeview. I retuned the latter because channel 11 was missing, got it but lost ITV 1 Ch4 and channels 5 and 6. Retuned 4-5 times with no change. ???
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KMJ,Derby11:34 AM
Dave Lindsay: Thanks for clarification of Mux ArqB from Midhurst. The postcode checker shows a reception change in April 2012 when ArqB is given a good reception prediction ( up from zero reception predicted), but the transmitter power continues to be shown as 1kW until October making it unclear where the gremlin lay. It does appear that this will be another transmitter where viewers might complain about loss of ArqB after DSO2!
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KMJ,Derby: I'm not sure about loss of Arq B. It is only 1kW at the moment (on Ch60).
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John Turley: Go to the manual tuning screen and tune to channel 59 for ITV1, C4, C5 etc from Tacolneston.
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KMJ,Derby1:03 PM
Dave Lindsay: Whilst on the plus side the frequency of the Midhurst mux ArqB will be transmitted on a lower frequency (C50) after DSO2, there will be the change to 64QAM, 8k mode working without a power increase to compensate. At least the low power is only for a few weeks.
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tony1:10 PM
Hiya..i have a humax 9200t freview box..but i am only getting 20% strenght but 100% quality on humax box meter,so can only record what i am watching instead of the twin tuners which let you record 2 channels at same time and watch a third tv program,(i think strenght needs be around at least 50% to achive this. The aerial is a RX20 which is pointing to crystal palace (on 6ft pole (chimney) i have a philex mains booster (4 way) going to three bedrooms ,the other tvs are working ok (freeview built in..no boxes).My labgear signal finder is showing only 2 green lights (there is a max of 4 green lights on finder)) if i plug the aerial straight from aerial into labgear signal finder... and still only 2 green lights even thru philex booster..can you advise please..thanks tony... ps i have heard that crystal palace transmitter is going to boost the signal sometime in may 2012 is this correct
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Rob2:11 PM
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Hi,I live in the Pendle Forest reception area,& more recently (3-4 months) have been experiencing total loss of signal,particularly on Ch 12 (Yesterday) & Ch 24 (ITV 4).Other channels randomly display colour 'bars' without loss of full picture.When I retune the TV - a 11 months old LG 42" LD450 - via the factory reset,it is all okay for a few days,& then starts acting up again.I have had an engineer take a look under warranty,& he thinks it could be an ariel problem.Is this likely,as the ariel isn't all that old,& the problems only really started with the LG,& is worse when it rains or snows?Thanks
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jb385:24 PM
tony: Without knowledge of your location (pref: post code) its not really possible to assess what signal strengths you are liable to be receiving, and the name Crystal Palace frequently crops up with complaints made about poor reception. As far as the Humax is concerned 20% is no where near good enough for reliable reception even with its first class tuner, albeit that indications seen on a 9200 are inclined to be somewhat less enthusiastic compared to when observed on another device using exactly the same aerial, Humax though being more in line with the realism of the situation.
Just a small qualification regarding your statement on viewing a third programme, that is provided its on one of the multiplexes presently being used for recording.
I realise that you say the other TV's are OK, but for an accurate test you should really try a signal check on the Humax whilst its coupled into the aerial used by one of the other TV's, noting the indications seen over the mux channels used by Crystal Palace.
The best way to do this is go into the Humax's menu then scroll down and press on "install", enter password (0000) then select manual tune, you will then see a Mux channel number on the top line corresponding to the channel you happened to be viewing, but whatever the number "right click" (on large circular button) and a drop down channel number menu will be seen, select Ch25 and press OK and that will indicate the strength of BBC1.
After having made a note of it just "right click" again on the circular button but this time scroll down and press on Ch22 (ITV1) and once again making a note of the strength, then using exactly the same procedure as before go through the remaining multiplexes, these being 32 - 34 - 29 - 28, this being a far quicker way of getting indications of the various signal strengths received.
Do not though press "search" when carrying out the aforementioned procedure.
By the way although a few changes take place at C / Palace in earlier April, its not until the 18th that all multiplexes switch over to high powered operation. (200Kw)
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jb386:56 PM
Rob: As these programme channels mentioned are all on the same multiplex Ch24 then the possibility exists that the problem is being caused by interference from another distant transmitter on the same channel, otherwise known as single channel interference. I also feel that its purely coincidental that the problem appears only to have started since the purchase of the LG, and with you having mentioned that it seems worse under certain weather conditions being inclined to confirm that there is nothing wrong with the TV.
I realise you mentioned about coloured bars etc, but to give a better idea of the signal strength that you are receiving you should carry out a signal strength / quality check whilst on BBC (Mux Ch28) then on ITV (Mux Ch25) followed by ITV3 (Mux Ch27) noting the indications seen, then finally do the same again whilst on ITV4 (Mux Ch24) as its on the same Mux as Yesterday, and as all of these Muxes are on the same power it will give a better idea of what's happening.
Just out of interest, I realise your aerial was set up for Pendle Forrest (@ 2mls) but was any attempt made by your aerial installer to receive Winter Hill (@ 22 mls) as that's also shown as being possible to receive although Pendle has the edge on it, at least as far as the predictor is concerned anyway! with Pendle Forrest operating on 100 watts whereas Winter Hill is on 100Kw.
Manual tuning info is under "Set up" shown on page 26 of your user manual under "Watching TV - Programme Control".
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John Turley10:25 AM
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John Turley: Dave, thank you for your advice. Unfortunately I can only access DVB Auto Set up. The manual points to 'Manual tuning' for analogue only. When I go to menu and choose Set up the analogue tuning menu is no longer there. Understandable as no analogue anymore. But, no manual tuning for DVB.
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tony5:34 PM
Harlow
tony: JB thanks for info, done as you suggested (morning) and this is what i found ,all of the suggested mux numbers were showing 27% except 34 which was 20%..i then (afternoon.as i work nights) went in loft and disconnected all 3 leads from the philex signal booster.and then connected the single aerial lead to the humax ...the humax was showing on mux channels 10% strength and no quality..i then connected just the humax aerial lead to the booster and got 20% strength and 100% quality on humax box.i then connected all 3 aerial leads thru booster as it was originally...still humax 20% strength quality 20%..i seems that the strength (humax 27%)) is more in the morning and tails off to 20% in afternoon.
my postcode is CM18 6TP
thank you for info much appreciated...tony
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tony5:43 PM
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sorry..... should read on last part 100% quality..not 20%
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Rob 8:44 PM
JB38:Many thanks for your excellent input with the problem that I've been experiencing,& I will certainly carry out a signal strength/quality check,as recommended!
I'm relieved that you doubt that the LG is the root cause of the problems,& concur that the recent weather conditions are most likely causing a conflict of signals somewhere along the way.
Re the choice of transmitter...all the aerials in the vicinity aim at Winter Hill,but we are blighted by a neighbours chimney in that respect (tried the position & the chimney blocked the signal..!)- hence the direction towards Pendle Forrest..
Many thanks again for your input-it's greatly appreciated!
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