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The symbol shows the location of the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmitter which serves 4,490,000 homes. The bright green areas shown where the signal from this transmitter is strong, dark green areas are poorer signals. Those parts shown in yellow may have interference on the same frequency from other masts.

Are there any planned engineering works or unexpected transmitter faults on the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) mast?

Crystal Palace transmitter - Crystal Palace transmitter: Possible effect on TV reception week commencing 18/11/2024 Screen may go black on some or all channels Digital tick


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Which Freeview channels does the Crystal Palace transmitter broadcast?

If you have any kind of Freeview fault, follow this Freeview reset procedure first.

Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.

MuxH/VFrequencyHeightModeWatts
PSB1
BBCA
 H max
C23 (490.0MHz)324mDTG-200,000W
Channel icons
1 BBC One (SD) London, 2 BBC Two England, 9 BBC Four, 23 BBC Three, 201 CBBC, 202 CBeebies, 231 BBC News, 232 BBC Parliament, plus 16 others

PSB2
D3+4
 H max
C26 (514.0MHz)324mDTG-200,000W
Channel icons
3 ITV 1 (SD) (London), 4 Channel 4 (SD) London ads, 5 Channel 5, 6 ITV 2, 10 ITV3, 13 E4, 14 Film4, 15 Channel 4 +1 London ads, 18 More4, 26 ITV4, 28 ITVBe, 30 E4 +1, 35 ITV1 +1 (London), 71 That’s 60s,

PSB3
BBCB
 H max
C30- (545.8MHz)324mDTG-200,000W
Channel icons
46 5SELECT, 101 BBC One HD London, 102 BBC Two HD England, 103 ITV 1 HD (ITV London), 104 Channel 4 HD London ads, 105 Channel 5 HD, 106 BBC Four HD, 107 BBC Three HD, 204 CBBC HD, 205 CBeebies HD, plus 1 others

COM4
SDN
 H max
C25 (506.0MHz)314mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
20 U&Drama, 21 5USA, 29 ITV2 +1, 32 5STAR, 33 5Action, 38 Channel 5 +1, 41 Legend, 42 GREAT! action, 57 U&Dave ja vu, 58 ITV3 +1, 59 ITV4 +1, 64 Blaze, 67 TRUE CRIME, 68 TRUE CRIME XTRA, 81 Blaze +1, 83 Together TV, 91 WildEarth, 93 ITVBe +1, 209 Ketchup TV, 210 Ketchup Too, 211 YAAAS!, 251 Al Jazeera English, 255 FRANCE 24 (in English), 265 Rok Sky +1, plus 29 others

COM5
ArqA
 H max
C22 (482.0MHz)321mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
11 Sky Mix, 17 Really, 19 U&Dave, 31 E4 Extra, 36 Sky Arts, 40 Quest Red, 43 Food Network, 47 Film4 +1, 48 Challenge, 49 4seven, 60 U&Drama +1, 65 That's TV 2, 70 Quest +1, 74 &UYesterday +1, 76 That's TV 2 MCR, 233 Sky News, plus 13 others

COM6
ArqB
 H max
C28- (529.8MHz)321mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
12 Quest, 25 U&W, 27 U&Yesterday, 34 GREAT! movies, 39 DMAX, 44 HGTV, 52 GREAT! christmas, 56 That's TV (UK), 63 GREAT! romance mix, 73 HobbyMaker, 75 That's 90s, 82 Talking Pictures TV, 84 PBS America, 235 Al Jazeera Eng, plus 18 others

LW
 H -10dB
C35 (586.0MHz)324mDTG-1220,000W
Channel icons
from 31st March 2014: 8 LONDON LIVE,

DTG-8 64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
DTG-12 QSPK 8K 3/4 8.0Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)

Which BBC and ITV regional news can I watch from the Crystal Palace transmitter?

regional news image
BBC London 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London W1A 1AA, 12km north-northwest (335°)
to BBC London region - 55 masts.
regional news image
ITV London News 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London WC1X 8XZ, 11km north-northwest (345°)
to ITV London region - 55 masts.

Are there any self-help relays?

Charlton AthleticTransposerRedeveloped north stand Charlton Athletic Football Club130 homes
DeptfordTransposersouth-east London100 homes
GreenfordTransposer12 km N Heathrow Airport203 homes
HendonTransposerGraham Park estate50 homes
White CityTransposer9 km W central London80 homes

How will the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmission frequencies change over time?

1950s-80s1984-971997-981998-20122012-1321 Mar 2018
VHFA K TA K TA K TA K TW T
C1BBCtvwaves
C22ArqAArqA
C23ITVwavesITVwavesITVwavesBBCABBCA
C25SDNSDN
C26BBC1wavesBBC1wavesBBC1wavesD3+4D3+4
C28-ArqBArqB
C29LW
C30C4wavesC4wavesC4waves-BBCBBBCB
C33BBC2wavesBBC2wavesBBC2wavescom7
C35com8
C55tv_offcom7tv_off
C56tv_offCOM8tv_off

tv_off Being removed from Freeview (for 5G use) after November 2020 / June 2022 - more
Table shows multiplexes names see this article;
green background for transmission frequencies
Notes: + and - denote 166kHz offset; aerial group are shown as A B C/D E K W T
waves denotes analogue; digital switchover was 4 Apr 12 and 18 Apr 12.

How do the old analogue and currrent digital signal levels compare?

Analogue 1-4 1000kW
SDN, ARQA, ARQB, BBCA, D3+4, BBCB(-7dB) 200kW
com7(-13.7dB) 43.1kW
com8(-14dB) 39.8kW
Mux 1*, Mux 2*, Mux A*, Mux B*, Mux C*, Mux D*, LW(-17dB) 20kW

Which companies have run the Channel 3 services in the Crystal Palace transmitter area

Sep 1955-Jul 1968Associated-Rediffusion†
Sep 1955-Jul 1968Associated TeleVision◊
Jul 1968-Dec 1992Thames†
Jul 1968-Feb 2004London Weekend Television♦
Jan 1993-Feb 2004Carlton†
Feb 2004-Dec 2014ITV plc♦
Feb 2004-Dec 2014ITV plc†
Feb 1983-Dec 1992TV-am•
Jan 1993-Sep 2010GMTV•
Sep 2010-Dec 2014ITV Daybreak•
• Breakfast ◊ Weekends ♦ Friday night and weekends † Weekdays only. Crystal Palace was not an original Channel 3 VHF 405-line mast: the historical information shown is the details of the company responsible for the transmitter when it began transmitting Channel 3.

Comments
Tuesday, 4 December 2012
Dave Lindsay
sentiment_very_satisfiedPlatinum

1:18 PM

BillNick: I suggest that you fit an attenuator to reduce the signal level. For example, type f attenuator into eBay for attenuators with f-connectors that will fit onto your splitter.

I'm not sure what level you might need. A variable one will allow adjustment.

If the wideband aerial, which isn't as effective for Crystal Palace as on higher channels, is providing too high a signal level, then there is no real need to replace it with a Group A aerial.


With digital reception there is a lower threshold over which the signal level must be in order to show a picture (assuming good quality signal). Increasing the level doesn't make the picture quality better. For this reason, don't try to get the strength as near 100% as possible.

There is also a top threshold for the level over which it is likely to over whelm the tuner. This can produce what you've described: the signal level and quality dropping sometimes jumping up and down.

The point is that once you've got a signal that is too high, the quality is likely to go. It is a bit like turning the sound up on a hifi above that which the speakers can work at; the sound becomes hideously distorted (poor quality sound).

Of course there are slight variations that occur such as due to the weather and you don't want them to push it OTT, as perhaps could have happened with BBC this morning.

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BillNick
1:40 PM
Chislehurst

Dave: Ok I follow now. I was worried the Attenuator wouldn't help having seen poor signal/quality for BBC this morning.

I have a variable 0-20db attenuator ready to go. Fitting is easy, but How do I go about tuning and choosing the right attenuation? Should I start at -20db, do a tune and see what I get?

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BillNick
1:46 PM
Chislehurst

Also some do and do not allow DC power pass....does this affect my choice of attenuator?

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Dave Lindsay
sentiment_very_satisfiedPlatinum

3:25 PM

BillNick: The window is big so it's not critical.

Signal strength scales vary by receiver, but say you get a good signal with it set to 75% strength on the channels you have, then try manually adding the missing ones.

Once you have each one tuned, then don't rescan if you find one poor quality as the issue must lie elsewhere.


DC power-pass is required where an amplifier (mast-head amp) is being used at the aerial where the power supply is fitted behind the TV set. The DC voltage to supply the amp is carried up the aerial cable and thus if the attenuator were fitted inbetween the two, it would need to be the power-pass variety.

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Wednesday, 26 December 2012
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Nick R
9:06 AM

Until about a week and a half ago, my Freeview signal in South Harrow, North-West London was 100% on all channels - without the need for amplification. Since then I have experienced mild pixellation on some ITV channels, followed by total loss of all ITV channels, leaving only highly pixellated Freeview "Lite" i.e. BBC only accompanied by audio loss. Done the usual checks on cabling. connections and "Factory resets" on TV set without improvement.No known sources of signal interference or line-of-sight obstructions. So suspect engineering work is ongoing.

This is really to much - to lose all programming over Xmas and without notice and for the second time in the year.

Nick

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Briantist
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10:03 AM

Nick R: There is no engineering work going on. Even when there is, it is stopped for Xmas.

As you mentioned "100%" you should look at Freeview signals: too much of a good thing is bad for you | ukfree.tv - 10 years of independent, free digital TV advice .

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Friday, 4 January 2013
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Alex
11:50 AM
London

Hello

I live in Borough/London Bridge. A few days ago we suddenly lost the channels in Multiplex 2 and A (ITV C4 E4 etc). I have tried to rescan and reset the freview but now it won't even find the channels. I have spoken to neighbours and they are having a similar issue.

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Dave Lindsay
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12:35 PM

Alex: Your postcode resolves to a block of flats which makes me think that there might be a communal aerial system. Thus, you and your neighbours who have the same issue have something in common: the aerial system.

This tends to point to some issue with it so this will need reporting to whoever is responsible for it (e.g. the landlord).

Try a manual tune on UHF channel 26 for Mux 2. Having brought up the manual tune screen and entered/selected 26, prior to pressing the button to scan (might be "OK"), observe whether there is any indication of strength and quality.

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Thursday, 10 January 2013
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Steve Flynn
1:28 PM
Haslemere

Lost BBC from Crystal Palace.

I have recently lost BBC channels on channel 23 from Crystal Palace. HD on ch 30 also weak however ITV channels from the same transmitter on ch 26 are excellent so the aerial system is clearly working.

I have two aerials pointing at Hannington and Crystal Palace diplexed then fed into an old Labgear distribution amp together with an FM aerial signal. Hannington signals are fine. I want the London BBC channels for local news.

Any idea why only the BBC signals are affected? There aren't any engineering works listed so I am baffled. Could it be the distribution amp?

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Wednesday, 23 January 2013
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martyh
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9:19 PM
Aldershot

JB38* If I can get Freeview in Ash Vale, does this mean I can get the HD signals as well. I am thinking of upgrading my tv to one with a Freeview HD tuner. Thanks, martyh

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