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The symbol shows the location of the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmitter which serves 4,490,000 homes. The bright green areas shown where the signal from this transmitter is strong, dark green areas are poorer signals. Those parts shown in yellow may have interference on the same frequency from other masts.

Are there any planned engineering works or unexpected transmitter faults on the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) mast?

CRYSTAL PALACE transmitter - AM: Radio 4 on MW has now closed. Please retune to FM, Digital Radio, digital TV, BBC Sounds or smart speakers to continue listening. More information can be found on the front page of this Reception Advice website. from 15 Apr 00:00. . BBC


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Which Freeview channels does the Crystal Palace transmitter broadcast?

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Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.

MuxH/VFrequencyHeightModeWatts
PSB1
BBCA
 H max
C23 (490.0MHz)324mDTG-200,000W
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1 BBC One (SD) London, 2 BBC Two England, 9 BBC Four, 23 BBC Three, 201 CBBC, 202 CBeebies, 231 BBC News, 232 BBC Parliament, plus 16 others

PSB2
D3+4
 H max
C26 (514.0MHz)324mDTG-200,000W
Channel icons
3 ITV 1 (SD) (London), 4 Channel 4 (SD) London ads, 5 Channel 5, 6 ITV 2, 10 ITV3, 13 E4, 14 Film4, 15 Channel 4 +1 London ads, 18 More4, 26 ITV4, 28 ITVBe, 30 E4 +1, 35 ITV1 +1 (London), 71 That’s 60s,

PSB3
BBCB
 H max
C30- (545.8MHz)324mDTG-200,000W
Channel icons
46 5SELECT, 101 BBC One HD London, 102 BBC Two HD England, 103 ITV 1 HD (ITV London), 104 Channel 4 HD London ads, 105 Channel 5 HD, 106 BBC Four HD, 107 BBC Three HD, 204 CBBC HD, 205 CBeebies HD, plus 1 others

COM4
SDN
 H max
C25 (506.0MHz)314mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
20 U&Drama, 21 5USA, 29 ITV2 +1, 32 5STAR, 33 5Action, 38 Channel 5 +1, 41 Legend, 42 GREAT! action, 57 U&Dave ja vu, 58 ITV3 +1, 59 ITV4 +1, 64 Blaze, 67 TRUE CRIME, 68 TRUE CRIME XTRA, 81 Blaze +1, 83 Together TV, 91 WildEarth, 93 ITVBe +1, 209 Ketchup TV, 210 Ketchup Too, 211 YAAAS!, 251 Al Jazeera English, 255 FRANCE 24 (in English), 265 Rok Sky +1, plus 29 others

COM5
ArqA
 H max
C22 (482.0MHz)321mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
11 Sky Mix, 17 Really, 19 U&Dave, 31 E4 Extra, 36 Sky Arts, 40 Quest Red, 43 Food Network, 47 Film4 +1, 48 Challenge, 49 4seven, 60 U&Drama +1, 65 That's TV 2, 70 Quest +1, 74 &UYesterday +1, 76 That's TV 2 MCR, 233 Sky News, plus 13 others

COM6
ArqB
 H max
C28- (529.8MHz)321mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
12 Quest, 25 U&W, 27 U&Yesterday, 34 GREAT! movies, 39 DMAX, 44 HGTV, 52 GREAT! christmas, 56 That's TV (UK), 63 GREAT! romance mix, 73 HobbyMaker, 75 That's 90s, 82 Talking Pictures TV, 84 PBS America, 235 Al Jazeera Eng, plus 18 others

LW
 H -10dB
C35 (586.0MHz)324mDTG-1220,000W
Channel icons
from 31st March 2014: 8 LONDON LIVE,

DTG-8 64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
DTG-12 QSPK 8K 3/4 8.0Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)

Which BBC and ITV regional news can I watch from the Crystal Palace transmitter?

regional news image
BBC London 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London W1A 1AA, 12km north-northwest (335°)
to BBC London region - 55 masts.
regional news image
ITV London News 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London WC1X 8XZ, 11km north-northwest (345°)
to ITV London region - 55 masts.

Are there any self-help relays?

Charlton AthleticTransposerRedeveloped north stand Charlton Athletic Football Club130 homes
DeptfordTransposersouth-east London100 homes
GreenfordTransposer12 km N Heathrow Airport203 homes
HendonTransposerGraham Park estate50 homes
White CityTransposer9 km W central London80 homes

How will the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmission frequencies change over time?

1950s-80s1984-971997-981998-20122012-1321 Mar 2018
VHFA K TA K TA K TA K TW T
C1BBCtvwaves
C22ArqAArqA
C23ITVwavesITVwavesITVwavesBBCABBCA
C25SDNSDN
C26BBC1wavesBBC1wavesBBC1wavesD3+4D3+4
C28-ArqBArqB
C29LW
C30C4wavesC4wavesC4waves-BBCBBBCB
C33BBC2wavesBBC2wavesBBC2wavescom7
C35com8
C55tv_offcom7tv_off
C56tv_offCOM8tv_off

tv_off Being removed from Freeview (for 5G use) after November 2020 / June 2022 - more
Table shows multiplexes names see this article;
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Notes: + and - denote 166kHz offset; aerial group are shown as A B C/D E K W T
waves denotes analogue; digital switchover was 4 Apr 12 and 18 Apr 12.

How do the old analogue and currrent digital signal levels compare?

Analogue 1-4 1000kW
SDN, ARQA, ARQB, BBCA, D3+4, BBCB(-7dB) 200kW
com7(-13.7dB) 43.1kW
com8(-14dB) 39.8kW
Mux 1*, Mux 2*, Mux A*, Mux B*, Mux C*, Mux D*, LW(-17dB) 20kW

Which companies have run the Channel 3 services in the Crystal Palace transmitter area

Sep 1955-Jul 1968Associated-Rediffusion†
Sep 1955-Jul 1968Associated TeleVision◊
Jul 1968-Dec 1992Thames†
Jul 1968-Feb 2004London Weekend Television♦
Jan 1993-Feb 2004Carlton†
Feb 2004-Dec 2014ITV plc♦
Feb 2004-Dec 2014ITV plc†
Feb 1983-Dec 1992TV-am•
Jan 1993-Sep 2010GMTV•
Sep 2010-Dec 2014ITV Daybreak•
• Breakfast ◊ Weekends ♦ Friday night and weekends † Weekdays only. Crystal Palace was not an original Channel 3 VHF 405-line mast: the historical information shown is the details of the company responsible for the transmitter when it began transmitting Channel 3.

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Saturday, 16 June 2012
Dave Lindsay
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2:36 PM

Peter: If manufacturers started using F-connectors, apart from the fact that adapters would often be needed, people would go connecting satellite dishes to terrestrial receivers.

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5:36 PM

martyh: Well there shouldn't really be any noticeable difference in the overall colour of the screen area when the set isn't switched on, although on some tubes including flat screen CRT types, the corners can appear to be slightly darker by a combination of the glass being thicker in this area as well as it turning inwards. i.e: not quite so much looking straight through the glass but slightly diagonally.

That said this would not affect the picture size any, and even although you might have set the TV's picture ratio to auto you have make sure that widescreen (or 16:9) has also been selected on the Logic as well, the selection being offered on "First time installation" under "TV type" using the <-> arrows.

Maybe you could have a check on that.

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6:30 PM

Hijb38. As per my previous posts I have tried every combination re: unifying settings between my TV and the Logic, including altering the extensive options on the TV, whilst trying differnet modes on the Logic.Just to refresh the leaflet for my TV is here: http://download.p4c.phili….pdf and maybe you may be able to look through it and spot something that perhaps I'm missing in the technical blurb? Thanks for your reply to my last post but there has definately been a 'physically visible' change in terms of what I see (when looking close up) when the TV is off (and unplugged), bearing in mind I can clearly see that the 'black' edge surrounds on the actual screen have definately become bigger, and un-uniformed (that's to say there is no longer an even measure (of non picture showing area around the four sides of the screen as was before)thus seemingly reducing the viewable area. It's hard to get this across in writing on here. However, the problem still persists whereby I have to ask why would this picture size thing suddenly change without me altering any of the settings on either the Logic or TV all of a sudden, just like that? ie: switching the TV off one week where it was working fine, then switching on the next to find it not. I am a persistant chap however, and will keep trying over this weekend to see if I can do something that will fix the issue, and of course let you know how I get on, though from what you siad last post, maybe it could indeed be a problem with the Logic. THANKS for all the help and suggestions on this jb38, am determined to get to the bottom of it! Regards, martyh

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7:04 PM

martyh: Yes, but its not so much a combination of both devices that I would suggest that you concentrate on but making sure that the Logic is left permanently on 16:9 and then only making your ratio selections on the Philips, these being either 16:9 movie expand with or without subtitles, or alternatively just being left on automatic, as there isnt really any other adjustments that you can choose, unless that is you had previously selected "zoom" whilst on one of these modes but which had reverted to normal.

By the way I have the manuals for both these devices.

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7:25 PM

martyh: Also meant to add, that if nothing you do seems to resolve that issue then carry out "factory settings" on the Philips, as that guarantees that you are starting afresh and then you can take things from there.

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Sunday, 17 June 2012
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martyh
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8:30 PM

ok, thanks jb 38. I tried several attempts flicking through the aspect ratio on the Logic and on the 6th attempt in a row, the screen corrected itself. The picture being slightly better, also helped by use of the DNR button on the TV remote. Picture is now even. I think you are right re picture quality etc, in that I can no longer benefit from the processing features as seen before when pictures delivered straight thru the ariel, as some options no longer work using the Logic with scart connection. So I think I just have to put up with how things are, or when enough money saved up, buy one of the latest HD TV's. I think I'm done on this now, so thanks for the time and effort you've put in. It's just a shame that the format for the new signal made my TV somewhat redundant, when I'm sure it still has years of life left. Philips could also have been more pro-active as well I feel, leaving customers thinking their TV's would be ok for the new signal, when they were not but I know the government has quite a bit of blame there. I still feel cheated thinking about the £1600 I initially forked out though!! Regards, martyh

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Monday, 18 June 2012
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12:07 AM

martyh: I would suggest that before you completely resign yourself into having to purchase a new HD TV you should try and borrow a normal Freeview box from someone for purposes of comparing its picture quality (after having been adjusted) with what you are getting from the Logic scart receiver.

I fully sympathise with your feelings regarding your TV being effectively redundant as I know a number of people who feels exactly the same, and especially if the CRT's in their TV's are still OK and not suffering from low emission because of the tubes cathode being on the way out, as should a TV with a good CRT be sat beside a modern LED illuminated flat screen LCD set, the picture on the LCD / LED set always looks positively flat and lifeless, and I havent seen one yet that doesn't.

Plasma TV's aren't quite so bad though, as just like in a CRT set the actual screen itself is illuminated and not being done via a back light as in LCD sets.

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Tuesday, 19 June 2012
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6:33 PM

Thanks jb38. Out of interest, would a new flat panel TV (of same screen size 32") consume less electricity than my Philips, which consumes 175 watts (normal operation), not forgetting the logic which consumes another 4 watts - total 179 watts please? martyh.

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9:35 PM

martyh: Its very difficult to give an exact figure, but the average I get using a few 32" models as examples, e.g: Sony / Panasonic / LG's etc gives a figure of around 120 watts, one of the Sony's only being listed as having 90 watts consumption.

Plus of course you wouldn't really be using the Logic with a new set anyway, so its really out of the equation.

Will say though, your Philips CRT set does seem to be a bit greedy on power consumption, as a 32" (4:3) Panasonic CRT set with pro-logic sound that I used to have only consumed 140 watts, as I used to run it from a 175 watt 12volt / 250 volt inverter when the power failed, the inverters cooling fins only ever becoming mildly warm albeit there wasn't that large of a power loading safety margin.

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Wednesday, 20 June 2012
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11:22 AM

Thanks jb38, I see. LED TV's are on the market now, any opinions on them. Not that I can afford to change mine yet, will hang on to it for the foreseeable future, unless I have to replace for some reason.

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