Full Freeview on the Emley Moor (Kirklees, England) transmitter
Brian Butterworth first published this on - UK Free TV
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The symbol shows the location of the Emley Moor (Kirklees, England) transmitter which serves 1,550,000 homes. The bright green areas shown where the signal from this transmitter is strong, dark green areas are poorer signals. Those parts shown in yellow may have interference on the same frequency from other masts.
This transmitter has no current reported problems
The BBC and Digital UK report there are no faults or engineering work on the Emley Moor (Kirklees, England) transmitter._______
Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.
64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
DTG-12 QSPK 8K 3/4 8.0Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)
Which Freeview channels does the Emley Moor transmitter broadcast?
If you have any kind of Freeview fault, follow this Freeview reset procedure first.Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.
64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
DTG-12 QSPK 8K 3/4 8.0Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)
Which BBC and ITV regional news can I watch from the Emley Moor transmitter?
BBC Look North (Leeds) 1.9m homes 7.4%
from Leeds LS9 8AH, 22km north-northeast (22°)
to BBC Yorkshire region - 56 masts.
ITV Calendar 1.9m homes 7.4%
from Leeds LS3 1JS, 22km north-northeast (16°)
to ITV Yorkshire (Emley Moor) region - 59 masts.
All of lunch, weekend and 80% evening news is shared with Belmont region
Are there any self-help relays?
Derwent B | Active deflector | 74 homes | |
Derwent C | Active deflector | (second level) | |
Dunford Bridge | Active deflector | 14 km S Huddersfield | 15 homes |
Hmp Leeds | Transposer | 30 homes | |
Thixendale | Transposer | 25 km ENE York | 40 homes |
How will the Emley Moor (Kirklees, England) transmission frequencies change over time?
1956-80s | 1984-97 | 1997-98 | 1998-2011 | 2011-13 | 5 Feb 2020 | ||||
VHF | B E T | B E T | B E T | B E T | W T | ||||
C10 | ITVwaves | ||||||||
C32 | com7 | ||||||||
C33 | SDN | ||||||||
C34 | com8 | ||||||||
C36 | ArqA | ||||||||
C37 | C5waves | C5waves | |||||||
C39 | _local | ||||||||
C41 | C4waves | C4waves | C4waves | BBCB | BBCB | ||||
C44 | BBC1waves | BBC1waves | BBC1waves | D3+4 | D3+4 | ||||
C47 | ITVwaves | ITVwaves | ITVwaves | BBCA | BBCA | ||||
C48 | ArqB | ArqB | |||||||
C51tv_off | BBC2waves | BBC2waves | BBC2waves | SDN | |||||
C52tv_off | ArqA | ||||||||
C55tv_off | com7tv_off | ||||||||
C56tv_off | LLS |
tv_off Being removed from Freeview (for 5G use) after November 2020 / June 2022 - more
Table shows multiplexes names see this article;
green background for transmission frequencies
Notes: + and - denote 166kHz offset; aerial group are shown as A B C/D E K W T
waves denotes analogue; digital switchover was 7 Sep 11 and 21 Sep 11.
How do the old analogue and currrent digital signal levels compare?
Analogue 1-5 | 870kW | |
SDN, ARQA, ARQB, BBCA, D3+4, BBCB | (-7dB) 174kW | |
com7 | (-12dB) 54.8kW | |
com8 | (-12.3dB) 51.2kW | |
Mux 1*, Mux 2*, Mux B*, Mux C* | (-19.4dB) 10kW | |
Mux A*, LLS | (-22.4dB) 5kW | |
Mux D* | (-23.4dB) 4kW |
Which companies have run the Channel 3 services in the Emley Moor transmitter area
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Monday, 4 November 2019
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Chris.SE7:50 PM
John:
The question you need to ask yourself is which region is my preferred region? You are in Yorkshire after all, do you not want local Yorkshire news?
Not sure why you think that Emley Moor COM8 moved from 56 to 37 as it's still on 56. UHF37 is as you've seen where Bilsdale COM8 currently is. You must have inadvertently (auto) mistuned!
Eventually the temporary muxes COMs 7&8 (where they are still transmitted) with be on UHF 55 & 56 as SFNs.
But also I'm not sure where you get the idea that Bilsdale should be the transmitter you should be using. According to the Freeview Coverage Checker the "Most Likely Transmitter" is Emley Moor, it's only 19km away and the main 6 muxes transmit with 174kW each COMs 7&8 are a touch over 50kW.
Whereas Bilsdale is 77km away, the PSBs transmit with 100kW and COMs 4-6 are 50kW and COMs 7&8 are currently a fraction over 18kW.
What's more, there is a retune event at Bilsdale on the 13th November where the PSBs are moving around those lower channels. COMs 7&8 are moving to UHF 55 & 56 as SFNs and although their power will increase to ~27kW, you are predicted to lose coverage of COM8 from Bilsdale and COM7 will become "poor" reception! But what is worse, is because of some retune events elsewhere in Q1 next year, you are predicted to lose coverage of COMs 4-6 from Bilsdale! There is also a retune event at Emley Moor in Q1, but it's only COM7 predicted reception being slightly worse when it moves to UHF55.
Not sure why you have a self imposed handicap with your loft aerial for Emley Moor (as opposed to Bilsdale), do you have Solar Panels, water tanks, walls or other objects in the way in the Emley Moor direction? I find it strange that you say some of your signal strengths are about 45dBuV from Emley Moor and 56dBuV from Bilsdale considering distance and transmitter power, also for PSB1 84dBuV from Bilsdale and 69dBuV from Emley Moor, you also mention varying quality. Are you absolutely sure that something isn't getting overloaded with all the amplification? That could explain apparently lower signals and varying quality from Emley Moor. IMHO I think some careful checks are needed ;)
Well I've spelt it out for you, I can't give you a direct link to your predicted reception since the changes/amalgamation made to the DigitalUK and Freeview sites last week (a right mess IMHO), but you can check all the details for your self as follows -
Go to Freeview | All your favourite TV shows, all in one place and all for free scroll down the page to the box "Check Freeview at my home" and enter your postcode and house number/name. Scroll down the new page where available channels are shown in "tiles". Below the initial block there is a "down arrow" if not all are displayed. If you are only interested in a particular group of channels click on that button on the top row.
If you scroll down just after half way down the page, there is a button "Detailed view". If you click on that it will show the predicted reception of transmitters and multiplexes that may be receivable at your location on another new page. Transmitter distances and aerial directions etc are given at the top of that page.
If you hover over any given channel number a pop-up box will show you the transmission details, power etc.
HTH.
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Chris.SE8:01 PM
Not sure what happens on this site from time to time, but one can't get back to previous pages as the links seem to get corrupted eg. at present Page 209 has the link Emley Moor (Kirklees, England) Full Freeview transmitter | free and easy and it just stays on Page 210. The corruption seems to be the _(U) after Emley_Moor.
The workaround seems to be Right Click the page number and select Copy Link Location. Paste that into the address bar and delete the _(U) from the address before pressing Return/Go.
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John10:02 PM
Bradford
Hi Chris SE
On Oct 23 two signals from EM disappeared CH56 was moved to 39 not 37 and the other one CH?? moved to 37. Are you sure 56 is still there because I believe it is released to 5G? This is the EM map I ended up with:
CH MUX Operator
32 COM7 HD ARQC
37 COM8 HD -
39 Local -
41 PSB3 BBC B HD
44 PSB2 D3&4
47 PSB1 BBC A
48 COM6 ARQ B
51 COM4 SDN
52 COM5 ARQ A
My next door neighbour has a chimney aerial pointing to EM and I have measured the signal at ground level to be about 56dBuV, most likely higher on the chimney. I agree EM should be my desirable transmitter but the house is located just below the line of site horizon. We are about 200m above sea level whereas Bilsdale is 600m so there is a very strong signal from there. Its all down to the topology.
As for the loft aerial its a personal choice plus its maintenance free and storm proof. The 84 and 69 measurements are inside the house at the TV points and are values are after amplification. The varying quality on arises from the EM aerial. What I did notice is that the Optima L20F has been replaced by a L20FK which suggests that the final map will see all channels above 48 released to 5G.
The Vision amp says its input should not exceed 70dBuV so I'm well inside of this but clipping may be taking place so I can't rule this out. The mapping is all over the place at the moment a proper mess and I don't think the Freeview team are properly clued up I know because I rang them on the day. Looks like I'm in for some more fun to come next week. This is the current Bilsdale map being used. I added EM 39 to get LCN CH7, Leeds TV.
CH MUX Operator
23 PSB3 BBCB HD Bilsdale
29 PSB2 D3+4 Bilsdale
31 COM7 HD - Bilsdale
37 COM8 HD - Bilsdale
39 COM8 HD - Emley Moor
40 COM6 ArqB Bilsdale
43 COM4 SDN Bilsdale
46 COM5 ArqA Bilsdale
47 PSB1 BBCA Emley Moor
I mentioned using two aerials: a Group W and a Group B. The aerial signals were combined using a Mersat BZT G687 658D 2 way splitter multiplexer. Because this is a passive device and the power pass leg is not used inputs and outputs can be transposed meaning that the single input demultiplexes to two outputs. The aerials were connected to the two outputs and the input was connected to the Vision amp input. Its output feeds signal to the house distribution amp and which receives 5v to power it.
The reason why TV auto tuning didn't work is down to the numeric order of MUX channels. TV auto tuning begins with CH21. BBCA is on EM CH47 but 'interference' from Bilsdale BBCA CH26 means that the TV database on a first come first serve basis registers BBC One Newcastle. CH47 is then ignored as a duplicate channel. A similar thing happens with EM BBCB on CH41, Bilsdale BBCB is on CH23 so CH 41 is ignored as a duplicate channel. Not much is said on this medium about what actual channels should be used for manual tuning it would be helpful when cross channel interference is a problem.
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Tuesday, 5 November 2019
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Chris.SE12:00 AM
John:
First, I meant to say in my previous post that the channel listings here on this site are incorrect, the owner here has not managed to correctly keep up with the changes, there's over 1100+ transmitters in the UK. The Freeview site is normally the accurate place to refer.
2nd, there's probably a bit of confusion which maybe I should have clarified in my previous post about EM. The was a multiplex on UHF56 which moved to UHF39 according to DigitalUK's documentation, BUT this is a Local multiplex identified as L-LDS (LOC1) not COM8. At the same time COM8 which was on UHF34 moved up to UHF56. Try a manual tune on it with your EM aerial. COM8 carries programmes such as BBC4 HD, QVC HD etc.
For a full list of which channels are on which Multiplex see Channel listings | Freeview
I'm afraid as I'm not there I can't confirm, I can only go by DigitalUK/Freeview documentation - there's two places that is stated - 700MHz_Clearance_Q4_2019_Yorkshire_v2.pdf and the current Detailed Coverage Checker lists as I detailed how you can see them in my previous post. Unfortunately the link to that pdf document on the amalgamated website is broken and it's not possible to download copies of that atm. Freeview have been made aware, but how long it will take them to fix it is anyone's guess as some other issues I pointed out to them months ago (in writing) are still the same!! So try that manual scan of EM UHF56.
Autotuning is a well known problem where more than one transmitter and/or region can be received. Manual tuning is the only real option these days. Again the Coverage Checker will tell you which UHF channels to use.
Your point about topography is well known and taken, another reason why when looking at the Coverage Checker putting in your house number/name (don't post it here) can make a difference to the prediction. I can only do a general check on the postcode which terrain plotting on here gives (a mean?) 248m (at 10m chimney height), Emley Moor is 575m, Bilsdale is 674m and with those numbers there's supposedly clear line of sight. I wouldn't have expected that if you are slightly below the sight-line it would have had significant impact on the quality. On which multiplexes are you see the quality variations?
Interference, too weak, or too strong a signal especially when lots of amplification is involved, or a poor connection is a more usual cause. I would do a test from one aerial direct to one set to see if the quality variations continue.
It's also worth saying that the Coverage Checker is only a prediction and there have been cases where it's just not right for some obscure reason. However with the COMs 7&8 multiplexes as SFNs there is inevitably some reduction in coverage because of the way SFNs work, so I would not ignore the fact that COMs 7&8 from Bilsdale are predicted to be unreliable at your location one all the retunes occur.
Finally - I think ;) 5G, - Group K aerials will be the norm in due course, but where the temporary multiplexes COMs 7&8 continue to transmit, a Group T /Wideband is needed (Group K is no good for them, especially as they are often lower power). At present, no final date has been announced but it's currently expected that they will all close by sometime in 2022, at present they are allocated in a gap between the Downstream and Upstream 5G allocations. If you are interested, look at all the documentation associated with the 700MHz clearance program.
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Chris.SE1:18 PM
John:
There is a nice graphic at the top of this page Will I need a filter when the 5G mobile broadband services start in 2020? | free and easy which shows 5G and DTV allocation.
There is one bit of information later on that page which I think could be misinterpreted, and that is where it implies the BBCB mux will be on UHF47 or 48. Quote "Be using the BBCB multiplex for Freeview HD (as they will use C47/C48)". That is not the case for most of the transmitters, the mux is on other UHF channels.
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Wednesday, 6 November 2019
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John7:40 PM
Bradford
Hi Chris
The graphic seems to confirm that EM CH56 is gone. I went around to measure my neighbours signal strength at the back of their TVs which is about 45 dBuV but only because they have tapped off parallel connections from the main down feed into three or more rooms. Need I say more?
I went to trouble of mapping the LCN landscape one aerial at a time. The process was disconnect the TV aerial and auto tune to clear the TV database. Then to reconnect the aerial and manually retune one MUX CH at a time for CH21-69. The results were:
LCN Mappings from Channel listings | Freeview
Aerial XMIT MUX CH dBuV TV SS/SQ LCN
GRP B BILS BBCB 23 58 100/100 101 102 103 104 105 204
GRP B BILS BBCA 26 72 100/100 1 2 9 201 202 231
GRP B BILS D3+4 29 61 100/100 3 4 5 6 10 13
GRP B BILS COM7HD 31 60 100/100 57 67 74 78 86 92
GRP B EM COM7HD 32 70 100/100 57 67 74 78 86 92
GRP B EM Local 39 58 100/100 7 48 50 60 207 -
GRP B BILS ARQB 40 61 100/100 22 25 29 31 35 36
GRP B EM BBCB 41 70 100/39 101 102 103 104 105 204
GRP B BILS SDN 43 61 100/100 12 16 20 21 26 27
GRP B EM D3+4 44 70 100/100 3 4 5 6 10 13
GRP B BILS ARQA 46 62 100/100 11 17 19 23 28 32
GRP B EM BBCA 47 75 100/100 1 2 9 201 202 231
GRP B EM ARQB 48 71 100/100 22 25 29 31 35 36
GRP B EM SDN 51 70 100/100 12 16 20 21 26 27
GRP B EM ARQA 52 72 100/100 11 17 19 23 28 32
Quite a lot of duplication with the Group B aerial's poor forward/back rejection losing only about 10dBuV. The mapping for the Group W log periodic was a lot cleaner with only one duplicate because of high forward/back rejection:
Aerial XMIT MUX CH dBuV TV SS/SQ LCN
GRP W ? D3&4 22 69 100/100 3 4 5 6 10 13
GRP W BILS BBCB 23 80 100/100 101 4 5 6 10 13
GRP W BILS BBCA 26 82 100/100 1 102 103 104 105 204
GRP W BILS D3&4 29 81 100/100 3 2 9 201 202 231
GRP W BILS COM7HD 31 77 100/100 57 4 5 6 10 13
GRP W BILS COM8HD 37 77 100/100 56 67 74 78 86 92
GRP W BILS ARQB 40 78 100/100 22 64 83 91 93 96
GRP W BILS ARQA 46 79 100/100 11 25 29 31 35 36
I seem to be picking up a CH22 signal that duplicates CH29 and I don't know why or where its coming from, presumably from Bilsdale?
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Thursday, 7 November 2019
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Chris.SE1:46 AM
Hi John,
You've confused me. I think you've misread the graphic! We are in the "Interim 700MHz Plan (Freeview HD in Centre)" period at present, and that shows UHF 55 & 56 between the Uplink and Downlink blocks. This is expected to continue until 2022 or until such time as OFCOM auction the SDL block and announce anything different.
Also, you might not pick up UHF55&56 with your group B aerial (perhaps not enough gain especially as COM8 is only on 51kW).
I assume the results are with it still pointing at EM. I'm wondering if pointing your group W at EM and trying for COM8 will work as it might have less gain at UHF56. COM7 isn't moving to 55 until Q1 next year, as you know it's currently on 32.
I cannot be certain where this D3&4 mux on UHF22 is coming from. Bilsdale is not planned to use UHF22, nor are any of the other transmitters that you might normally get, but that signal strength does suggest it's Bilsdale. They could be doing some testing even though there's supposedly no Planned Engineering there this week, in preparation for the retune on the 13th. D3&4 is due to move to UHF24, but I'd guess they can't use that to test as it would cause interference with Idle using UHF24 for PSB1 moving to UHF23 on the 13th.
Don't forget to experiment with your Group B (& later perhaps the WB) to EM direct to TV and via one, then both amps to get a better understanding of any quality fluctuations. That Quality result for EM BBCB is odd!
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Chris.SE1:56 AM
John:
Just re-reading the above, I'm finding it odd if you're not able to get COM8 on UHF56 if you used to get the Local Mux when it was on UHF56 before the last retune.
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John4:49 PM
Bradford
Hi Chris
I agree the missing TV signal on EM CH56 is likely down a lack of gain on the Group B aerial however, on the 23rd the Group W aerial was pointing at EM when CH56 disappeared. I swapped them around later on. On the EM LCN mapping I noticed COM8HD LCN 56,67,74,78,86,92 are missing. As I'm using COM8 on BILS CH39 its not a problem. So I guess EM COM8 is still there but I'm not in a position to see TV pictures from it. I'll get back to you on this but for the moment I'm more than happy with my two aerial solution.
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John4:55 PM
Bradford
Hi Chris
Did I say BILS CH39 I meant to say CH37.
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