Full Freeview on the Hannington (Hampshire, England) transmitter
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The symbol shows the location of the Hannington (Hampshire, England) transmitter which serves 470,000 homes. The bright green areas shown where the signal from this transmitter is strong, dark green areas are poorer signals. Those parts shown in yellow may have interference on the same frequency from other masts.
Are there any planned engineering works or unexpected transmitter faults on the Hannington (Hampshire, England) mast?
Hannington transmitter - Hannington transmitter: Possible effect on TV reception week commencing 03/02/2025 Pixelation or flickering on some or all channels 
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Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.
64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)
Which Freeview channels does the Hannington transmitter broadcast?
If you have any kind of Freeview fault, follow this Freeview reset procedure first.Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.
64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)
Which BBC and ITV regional news can I watch from the Hannington transmitter?
BBC South Today 1.3m homes 4.9%
from Southampton SO14 7PU, 46km south-southwest (194°)
to BBC South region - 39 masts.
ITV Meridian News 0.9m homes 3.4%
from Whiteley PO15 7AD, 48km south (179°)
to ITV Meridian/Central (Thames Valley) region - 15 masts.
Thames Valley opt-out from Meridian (South). All of lunch, weekend and 50% evening news is shared with all of Meridian+Oxford
How will the Hannington (Hampshire, England) transmission frequencies change over time?
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| E | E | E | B E T | W T | |||||
| C32 | com7 | ||||||||
| C34 | com8 | ||||||||
| C35 | C5waves | C5waves | |||||||
| C39 | BBC1waves | BBC1waves | BBC1waves | +BBCB | BBCB | ||||
| C40 | SDN | ||||||||
| C41 | SDN | ||||||||
| C42 | ITVwaves | ITVwaves | ITVwaves | D3+4 | D3+4 | ||||
| C43 | ArqA | ||||||||
| C44 | ArqA | ||||||||
| C45 | BBC2waves | BBC2waves | BBC2waves | BBCA | BBCA | ||||
| C46 | ArqB | ||||||||
| C47 | ArqB | ||||||||
| C51tv_off | _local | ||||||||
| C55tv_off | com7tv_off | ||||||||
| C56tv_off | COM8tv_off | ||||||||
| C66 | C4waves | C4waves | C4waves |
tv_off Being removed from Freeview (for 5G use) after November 2020 / June 2022 - more
Table shows multiplexes names see this article;
green background for transmission frequencies
Notes: + and - denote 166kHz offset; aerial group are shown as A B C/D E K W T
waves denotes analogue; digital switchover was 8 Feb 12 and 22 Feb 12.
How do the old analogue and currrent digital signal levels compare?
| Analogue 1-4 | 250kW | |
| Analogue 5 | (-6.2dB) 60kW | |
| BBCA, D3+4, BBCB | (-7dB) 50kW | |
| com7 | (-8.3dB) 36.7kW | |
| com8 | (-9.8dB) 26.2kW | |
| SDN, ARQA, ARQB | (-10dB) 25kW | |
| Mux 1*, Mux 2*, Mux A*, Mux B* | (-11dB) 20kW | |
| Mux C*, Mux D* | (-14dB) 10kW |
Which companies have run the Channel 3 services in the Hannington transmitter area
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Sunday, 2 January 2011
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mathlin. david12:03 AM
Basingstoke
why is it that at times all digetal channels work perfectly and then whit out any reason suddenly stop working and picture breaks up or message not tuned appears, then in a few hrs time works again .all over xmas period working fine, at 10pm tonight stops working. this is a problem we've had for last 6 months. hannington transmitter. we are in kemptshott, basingstoke rg22 5jq
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Wednesday, 5 January 2011
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Ann1:22 PM
Although I am on the Midhurst transmitter, I think a great many digital reception problems come down to the changes in weather/pressure throughout the day and these cause the breaking up that you mention David.
What I would like to know is why can I receive one Mux perfectly well and yet, at the same time, another Mux with the same signal strength has zero signal quality and, therefore, no picture? They are all coming from the same transmitter. If the signal strength is the same, why the difference in signal quality? This is not a continuous problem, as I have mentioned above, and can change by the minute.
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TVtuner6:22 PM
Mr Mathlin, there is nothing from Hannington that would cause your problems as Kempshott area receives a very good signal - possible exception being area near to Pack Lane traffic lights. I expect that either your receiver/TV that is receiving Freeview is faulty or you have a poor signal due to cable or aerial misalignment that is only just working - thus causing it to 'drop over the edge' intermittently.
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Thursday, 6 January 2011
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Ann1:31 PM
Thank you, Brianist. I have now looked at that. I assume Mux 1 is 64QAM but this is the one we have most problems with.
I assume Mux 2 is the other 'strong' signal. This one is always perfect and the signal quality always 100%. I just can't fathom it out.
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Mike Dimmick2:02 PM
Reading
Ann: Mux 1 is 16QAM 3/4, Mux 2 is 64QAM 2/3. Mux 1 provides the majority of BBC channels (BBC Four/CBeebies are on Mux B), Mux 2 carries ITV1, C4, Five and a few associated channels.
The raw signal strength means pretty much nothing. If two people are talking quietly at the same time, the overall volume level might be the same as someone talking loudly, but you won't be able to work out what either of them are saying. What's important is the level of interfering signals, and that depends on where you are and whether the signals are reflecting - echoing - off any surfaces between you and the transmitter.
The signal levels are always subject to 'fading' - changes in the air pressure, temperature and humidity affect how the signals travel through the air, just as fog affects transmission of light (which, after all, is just another electromagnetic wave, just with a much higher frequency). It can affect different frequencies by different amounts, or the transmitter causing interference on one frequency may not use the other frequency at all.
Digital UK's predictions are made on the basis of the known variation in fading and the predicted signal levels arrive at a given point from all transmitters in their system. It actually predicts no service from any transmitter for you at the moment. You should get best results from Rowridge (vertical polarization) after switchover in 2012. The predicted coverage from Midhurst is poor.
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Ann5:17 PM
Thank you, Mike. How strange that Muxes 1 and 2 are not both 64QAM, though. Which is the other 16QAM Mux? I hazard a guess that it is Mux C, since this is the other one we have problems with, albeit not as much as Mux 1.
The problem we have is that there is a hill immediately behind us and so we do not receive as good a picture from Rowridge as the one from Midhurst, although everything indicates that we should - the predictors just don't seem to know about the hill! Although an automatic tune picks up channel 34 from Rowridge for Mux 1b because the signal is stronger, channel 56 from Midhurst gives better signal quality and so I manually tune to that.
I remember you saying before, that channel 34 from Rowridge and 34 from Heathfield may cause interference, but is there anything else that uses 56 which may be the cause of our Midhurst problems?
As you say, the Digital UK predictor says we will not receive coverage from Midhurst. Is that because switchover will make it worse for us or do they think that we already cannot get any?
Are you saying that things will be no better for us after switchover - or even worse?
I know this should really be on the Midhurst thread, so apologies to all. Thanks for taking the time to help.
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ann6:41 PM
Waterlooville
It appears that Horndean transmitter uses
channel 56 for analogue BBC1. Is this our problem, do you think?
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Monday, 17 January 2011
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Bob2:03 PM
Fleet
Does anyone know whether it is still the intention to complete Hannington's coverage to the East after DSO?
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Bob: Of course, after switchover the digital coverage will match the old analogue coverage area.
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Wednesday, 19 January 2011
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Sue B11:46 AM
We keep losing our digital channels this week. Retuning sometimes gets them back, sometimes it dosen't or it will get some back and not others. We have had a new aerial and new amplifier fitted together with a new Panasonic TV. Why is the digital signal from Hannington so erratic for us this week? We live in Basingstoke RG27.
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Sue B2:24 PM
Hook
I have looked at the Freeview interference page but this does not seem to be our problem as we lose the digital signal for some channels for hours at a time. At 8:00 this morning we had a full compliment of digital channels, now our first digital channel is 10 ITV3. So we have not digital BBBC1 or BBC2 (which I thought were the strongest digital signal) or ITV2, Channel Four or Channel 5. All seems very odd?!?!
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Thursday, 20 January 2011
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kieran6:47 PM
i dont have a line of sight of hannington but my frind dose she lives 1 min away from my house so she gets freviwew without an aerial but i have a roof to aerial but no signal for some reason can some wone help me
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Mike Dimmick11:56 PM
Reading
Ann - sorry to come back two weeks later! It's actually Mux 2 and A which use the 64QAM 2/3 mode. This mode requires *more* signal, relative to noise, than the 16QAM 3/4 mode used by multiplexes 1, B, C and D.
ITV and S4C didn't change modes on their multiplexes in 2002, after ITV Digital collapsed and the BBC-led Freeview consortium took over their previous multiplexes. The BBC, operating Mux 1 and B, and Crown Castle, who got Mux C and D, were encouraged to change mode to improve coverage and reliability, at the cost of losing one-quarter of the capacity.
For most people, multiplexes 2 and A therefore are the least reliable, but it does depend on the clashes between channels. As you say, you're very close to Horndean. While it uses a different polarization - vertical rather than horizontal - the aerial does still pick up some signal from the other polarization. The spec sheet may refer to 'cross-polar rejection', which is the difference between the amount of signal picked up when the aerial matches the transmission, and when it doesn't. Horndean's not very powerful but you're only half a mile away, whereas you're nearly 15 miles from Midhurst and there are two hills in the way, completely blocking line-of-sight. Horndean frequencies clash with Midhurst multiplex 1, A and C. After switchover Horndean multiplexes will clash with Midhurst multiplex A and D.
Digital UK's predictor algorithm allows for 16 dB of cross-polar rejection, and 16 dB of rejection of signals from another direction, but oddly caps the total contribution from both sources at 16 dB. Most real aerials have at least 20 dB of cross-polar rejection and also have good directional response, so DUK's prediction may turn out to be too pessimistic.
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Friday, 21 January 2011
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GStrickland4:14 PM
Andover
We moved to Andover Hampshire in June of last year and since we have been in this house, we have had interference problems on all channels (digital and analagoue). We receive the signal from the Hannington transmitter.
Following many complaints to the BBC (who are now responsible for the reporting of Interference problems), OfCom attended site and did some signal measurements from our aerial and the results were extremely poor. The engineer also took independant measurements outside in the road using his own aerial and there was very little change - still bad.
His accessment was that because the signal is so bad, any nearby bit of electrical equipment (Boiler, room thermostat etc) could cause this interference.
What possible course of action can be taken to get this signal problem resolved and whom should I approach? The BBC? Arqiva? I object strongly to having to pay for a TV license when we are unable to watch any programme without losing the picture and sound mid-way through for 30 seconds or more.
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Sunday, 23 January 2011
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TVtuner12:00 PM
Sue B,
Hook is notoriously bad for a digital signal at the moment.
The majority of residents have had high gain aerials fitted for the London transmitter as it tends to offer stronger digital reception. From Hannington the signal is likely to vary more as it is so borderline.
Either way there is no guarantee of trouble free reception until March 2012 - unless you change to Freesat.
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Mike Dimmick11:28 PM
Reading
GStrickland: looking at your location, I'd say the problem is that the line-of-sight signal path from the transmitter is very, very close to the hills. It may be obstructed at a couple of points. There's a strong chance of getting reflections that weaken the signal.
However, Digital UK's predictor does predict very good results both now and after switchover, so there could be another issue, some form of electrical interference from streetlighting or neighbouring houses. You're pretty close to the transmitter so even a reduced signal should be relatively strong.
There is absolutely nothing you can do if the issue is that the signal is being attenuated too much by the terrain and/or by reflections from terrain or structures. If it's nearby structures you could try raising the aerial. The estimated coverage level of terrestrial transmission is 98.5% of the population; the other 1.5% have to make their own arrangements. As I say, though, DUK (which is a front for the broadcasters) reckon that you are covered.
The man from Ofcom should have investigated other possible sources of interference. I believe they can require the owners of any interfering equipment to get it fixed.
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Monday, 24 January 2011
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GStrickland7:39 PM
Andover
Mike,
Indeed Ofcom do have the authority (if that's the right word) to request owners of any faulty equipment to have it fixed.
I guess we should have taken note that all the immediate neighbours have satellite dishes - and now we know why. It just didn't occur to us to ask about the TV signal strength when viewing the house!
The signal strength was measured by the Ofcom engineer both within the house and outside in the road. In both locations the strength was between 33% and 37% and way below what he expected for the area. He explained that with the signal strength so low there was insufficient headroom in the signal and therefore it would be prone to even the very slightest of interference.
Without a very significant increase of the signal strength - and thus more headroom in the signal, our viewing of analogue and digitial TV just isn't possible where we are.
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Tuesday, 1 February 2011
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David Edwards11:04 AM
Yesturday all day and evening very poor digital signal. Impossible to watch had to use analoque. Can you please let me know the problem and when it will be repaired?
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David Edwards: Please see Freeview reception has changed? | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice - it will be fixed when you find the problem and fix it.
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Wednesday, 2 February 2011
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Andy_R1:32 PM
@David Edwards: I've been having the same problem - everything just seems to be coming and going. i re-scanned the frequencies and it then dropped out ITV channels. Rescan later on in the day and i loose them but gain BBC. Stations that previously had good (ish) signal quality & strength (like 6 or 7/10) are now really low (1/10).
Anyone got any ideas? We somtimes get iffy reception, but never this bad or on this many channels...
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Monday, 7 February 2011
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Mike Dimmick2:28 PM
Brian: I notice you haven't picked up Ofcom's change in their version 2.0 document for Meridian. Due to the release of channels 61 and 62, channels 39 and 40 are no longer going to be released. They have therefore moved BBC B to C39 (which is a current analogue channel) from C51 (which isn't).
Ofcom revised every existing document on 5 January 2011:
Ofcom | Digital Switchover Transmitter Details
You can still find some of the old documents at Digital UK's almanac page:
Transmitter Network - Digital UK Almanac (RG47SH)
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Mike Dimmick: I have not yet had the opportunity to go though all the document yet. Sorry, but people keep asking questions.
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Thursday, 10 February 2011
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Lodge8:11 PM
We live in South Ham Basingstoke we have a freeview box as do quite a few neighbours. We are all experiencing problems with broken picture on many channals. Why is this happening please? This seems to happen after 5pm each day but is fine during the day.
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Lodge: Please see Freeview intermittent interference | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice - if the same thing happens at the same time as your neighbours then it could be something common to you all, such as faulty streetlight.
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Saturday, 5 March 2011
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P Stonehouse7:42 PM
Basingstoke
Live in the North Popley, Basingstoke and receiving poor signal on ITV channels.Very stong on BBC.
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Sunday, 6 March 2011
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Tim10:43 PM
Fleet
Live in church Crookham, Fleet. Very bad signal for last few days apart from BBC channels. Can't get itv channels or five etc. I have a new digital ariel on roof which was working fine.
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Monday, 7 March 2011
Tim: Please see Freeview reception has changed? | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice - I note you are not going to be in the official Hannington reception area until late in 2012.
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Tim7:24 AM
Fleet
Thanks, had all channels last week, so perhaps engineering works or weather?
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Tim: The non-engineering work is listed at the top of the page, and no reports of Inversion problems at the moment.
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Tim9:09 AM
Fleet
Have reset and done single interference check in equipment, but still no good. Will wait and see if it improves. Thanks for your assistance .
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12:34 PM
12:34 PM
High atmospheric pressure forecast to continue until Wednesday across England, which may not help (less in Wales / Scotland / NI but services may still be affected) - coastal areas will be particularly bad.
Try a manual retune, use online streaming services or just wait it out.
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Tuesday, 8 March 2011
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Andy9:26 AM
Basingstoke
I live in Limes Park, Basingstoke . Since Thursday 3 March we have only had a good digital signal on BBC channels. I have been told locally that this is because of engineering work going on at the Hannington transmitter. I was also told that the work should have been complete yesterday (7th March). We are still having problems. Does anyone know what the situation is and how long it will take to get back to normal? And does anyone know why there is so little information on engineering works that affect the signal for so many people for so long??? Pretty bad service in my view!
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Andy: OK, three points:
1. There is no work going on the Hannington transmitter.
2. You are not predicted to get a Freeview service from Hannington until switchover in 2012.
3. Your best service for Freeview before switchover is the Crystal Palace transmitter
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Mike Dimmick12:07 PM
Reading
Andy: my understanding is that the work over the last few weeks was moving *analogue* transmissions from the reserve aerial back to the new main aerial. There might have been occasional periods of reduced digital power if men were working on the mast.
Hannington has never transmitted digital signals to the east: the whole sector from south-east to north-east is omitted because they would interfere with the analogue signals from the Guildford transmitter. Protecting analogue transmissions was the priority when the low-power digital signals were added.
The new main aerial is omnidirectional (to the best of our knowledge - it has to provide much the same coverage area for analogue as the old one did) and will provide high-power digital service starting in February 2012.
If you've had a reduction in performance over the last few weeks, the most likely culprit is that signals from distant interferers have been travelling further due to the weather conditions. As far as the broadcasters are concerned, though, you're out of coverage (at least from Hannington). Signals should be less susceptible to these weather conditions after switchover.
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Tim10:07 PM
Fleet
Evening still bad reception. Until last week got 60+ channels including itv etc but now down to about 10:( clearly a problem with the area.
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Wednesday, 9 March 2011
Tuesday, 15 March 2011
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Andy12:37 PM
I am confused.
Brian says that there is no work ongoing at Hannington, but Mike refers to work on the analogue ariel.
We are also told that Hannington is not broadcasting a digital signal, but the whole of this discussion thread is on a page headed "Freeview on the Hannington transmitter"...
I have been living in Basingstoke for years and have had good freeview reception from the day I first got a freeview box. I have always been told that the signals are coming from Hannington... that was always proved to me by the fact that most people on the west side of basingstoke would get itv meridian and bbc south-west, but those on the London-facing side would get itv and BBC London... even on freeview.
I just don't understand why the digital reception could be fine for so long, and then suddenly drop so dramatically. Weather seems like a "leaves on the line" excuse - sorry, no disrespect intended!
Oh well. Since I'm not supposed to be able to watch freeview (along with all the inhabitants of Basingstoke), I guess I'll just have to put up with it until 2012. Sorry for sounding frustrated.
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Wednesday, 16 March 2011
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Tim8:14 PM
Fleet
Evening. Have spoken to several neighbours, who have all lost itv1,2, channel 4 5 etc seems to be multiplex 2 is gone and low on many others. Happened a week or so ago so assume as Brian has said maybe weather. Seems to have effected big area ie Basingstoke, fleet etc. Roll on 2012;)
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Thursday, 17 March 2011
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Mike Dimmick12:56 PM
Reading
Andy: Weather conditions can cause transmissions to travel further than expected. The fact that a number of transmitters in the north and west of the country have already switched over means that there is now something to interfere with the transmissions, where there wasn't before. (Other digital transmissions on the same channel seem to cause more problems than analogue transmissions on the same channel.)
In addition, sites on the continent are now broadcasting digital only in the UHF band, where many analogue channels used to be broadcast at lower frequencies. It all adds up to a noisier environment than a few years ago.
On top of that, there may be periods where power has to be reduced slightly, if men are working on the mast, though this should only happen during daylight.
The 'analogue' aerial has pride of place at the top of the mast, has plenty of gain, and is able to handle plenty of power. The 'digital' transmission panels are bolted to the west side of the mast, and point due west, slightly west of north, and slightly west of south. To get the full coverage and power levels, digital signals move to the main aerial at switchover - this is why the transmitters are off-air for about six hours on the switchover days!
Just as your receiving aerial isn't really 'analogue' or 'digital', nor are the transmitting aerials. They're tuned to work best in one area of the UHF frequency band (for Hannington, between channel 35 and 68), but otherwise it just broadcasts whatever is fed to it.
The old 'analogue' aerial was erected in 1969 and had reached the end of its useful life at 41 years. Technology has moved on and the new designs can direct more power to ground level rather than up in the air. So a 'reserve' aerial was added in July 2010 to handle analogue transmissions temporarily, and the old main aerial replaced in October. However, I don't think there was time before the weather turned to get all the cables replaced and the new main aerial into service. That's what I think they've been doing over the last few weeks.
As for 'dropping dramatically' - digital requires a certain amount of signal quality to work, but above that level, you get no improvement. We call the amount of signal you have above this minimum level the 'headroom'. Deterioration in equipment and increases in noise reduce this 'headroom', but you won't notice a thing. Then it drops below the minimum required level, it starts to block and break up, and rapidly just goes to NO SIGNAL. Most digital boxes do not measure the headroom - their signal quality meters only report *uncorrectable* errors. This makes them completely useless.
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Saturday, 19 March 2011
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KIERAN4:13 PM
last night i was watching come and dine with me but it all went out i live up warik road and use an indoor boosed one for all flat aerial i use freeview in my room analog was gone aswell i rescand i only got heart i pointed my aerial at crystle palace and nothing is my aerial broken or is it the aera i live in peas help me and my aerial is fine it is my aera all ny naburs had the same thing happen and theay had an outdoor aeril
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Derek Twigg6:19 PM
Farnborough
My post code is GU14 7AZ, which is a block of 26 flats. The building has a common coax system fed by an aerial pointed at the Hannington transmitter; seemingly this has been chosen by most buildings nearby because of the topography. Because of the unacceptable Freeview reception using the aerial system, half of the flats have paid to have a Freesat system set up.
Q1. Are we on the correct transmitter?
Q2. When Hannington goes fully digital/Freeview, should we be able to ditch Freesat with its cable rental costs and get the full Freeview set of signals?
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Dan9:01 PM
Reading
Just to confirm, here in Reading (specifically Caversham) we now have poor reception on ITV1/C4 etc., and have done so since early March. So clearly something has degraded the service from Hannington.
BBC channels are all still fine.
I'm not really sure about the comments regards Hannington only transmitting digital signals to the west, both the Freeview website and this one all state that in our location, Hannington is our digital TV transmitter.
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KMJ,Derby9:57 PM
Derek Twigg: The Digital UK postcode checker does not currently show any results for reception from Hannington, but after switchover predicts good reception using this transmitter on all six muxes for your area. At present Crystal Palace is shown as offering variable to poor reception for Freeview, after switchover this becomes good reception on the PSB muxes and variable reception on the COM muxes.
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Sunday, 20 March 2011
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kieran10:34 AM
ther is a fulty dish on hannington it is hanning lol
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Monday, 21 March 2011
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RJB9:09 PM
no reception on bbc1,2,3 and itv1,2 and channel4,e4,film4, and channel 5 and a few others too
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Tuesday, 22 March 2011
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Andy11:20 AM
I have now had it confirmed to me in writing by our ariel provider, and by the developer in our area of Limes Park (Basingstoke) - Hannington transmitter IS undergoing "extensive engineering works... an upgrade to be ready for the digital switch over." I have also been told that "this upgrade may take months and might have some influence on your TV signal reception insofar as some days you might have all the channels you normally benefit from and some days you might only have terrestrial [i.e. analogue] channels."
So the message for those who are serviced from Hannington is we just have to put up with it, and retune our digi-boxes periodically to see if we can get better reception, and hopefully by 2012 it should be better.
And before people in Basingstoke and the east of the region think of turning their ariels towards Crystal Palace, that has major works going on too!
I appreciate that these works have to go on, with such a major change coming next year, especially with an old mast like Hannington. I just probably would have expected a generally communication to be sent around to the half a million people affected. Or at least, especially on a website like this, it should be easier to get the full and true story.
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Mike Dimmick1:53 PM
Reading
Andy: Yes, there are engineering works, but they relate to the aerial that is currently providing analogue signals. It will be the digital antenna after switchover. There may be occasional periods of low power on digital if they have to climb past the digital antennas, which are below the main antenna at the top of the mast, but I believe all the necessary installation and cable connection has been done.
The old antenna was replaced at the end of last year and I believe it's now back in service, though my aerial points to Crystal Palace so I can't be sure.
I've run a prediction for Watertower Way (RG24 9RF), which appears to be on the estate. It's relatively poor - no coverage predicted for multiplexes B C or D, variable for multiplexes 1 2 and A. However, about 500 metres away on Barton Place (RG24 9JS), it gives a prediction of good reception. The predictor may be using the permitted radiation pattern rather than the actual. Your postcode, RG24 9TG, is about another 500 metres to the south-east, and here there's no prediction for multiplex 1, 2, C or D, and very poor for multiplexes A and B. The predictions do *not* account for any engineering work.
Basically, the problems get worse the closer you are to Guildford, which is the interfering transmitter.
For best results, the aerial should be fitted outside, with lots of clear space around it to reduce reflections from the buildings. The developer may have fitted an aerial in the loft, or a communal system, to reduce the visual impact of the aerials if the site is considered sensitive. If the aerial is in the loft, complain: they just don't work as well as they do outside.
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kieran7:45 PM
andy: limes park has lots of trees so the line of sight is no where ner a line of sight i have allready pointed my indoor aerial to guliford then crystle palace until hannington has no work done on it like fy mate did
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Saturday, 26 March 2011
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Tony2:36 PM
Hook
After many months of good reception, we now have intermittent poor signal quality on BBC and ITV muxes which is forcing us to watch on analogue. Interestingly, the quality for the England 6 Nations match last weekend improved 10 mins prior to the start and reverted to poor quality 10 minutes afterwards. How frequently are they turning down the power and why is it so bad in the evenings anfd after dark?
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Monday, 28 March 2011
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kieran r10:44 AM
there is engineering works on hannington digital switchover has started :]
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Mike Dimmick4:23 PM
Tony: There were no planned power reductions during the last week.
As I understand it, the engineers work to ordinary working hours and if work is required on the mast itself (rather than the transmitter equipment at ground level) it must be carried out during daylight. The exceptions seem to be power testing and the actual switchover itself which are carried out between midnight and 6am.
Problems experienced in evenings and after dark are more usually to do with the changes in how signals reflect off different layers in the atmosphere, as they cool off. On clear nights, there can be an 'inversion', cool layers nearer the ground which cause signals to reflect. This is termed 'tropospheric enhancement'. For more information see http://www.dxinfocentre.com/propagation/tr-modes.htm. (That site is written from the perspective of *wanting* distant transmissions - here, you don't want them because they cause interference.)
Hook is in the sector of Hannington's analogue coverage area that is not intended to be covered by its digital transmissions. Hannington's current low power digital transmissions use the same frequencies as the Guildford transmitter's analogue transmissions which - until switchover - take priority. Digital UK show no prediction for your postcode. It is not expected to work with any reliability at present.
The aim is for post-switchover digital transmissions to cover the same area as pre-switchover analogue transmissions, and Hannington should give you a good service from the middle of next year. If you can't wait that long, consider using Crystal Palace, satellite, or cable. (RG47SH)
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Tuesday, 29 March 2011
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Ian R10:10 AM
Hook
Hi Tony. I, too, point at Hannington from Hook. My post elsewhere describes recent problems with losing everything on MUX2 on three out of four TV tuners unless I connect them to PVR (Smartbox) tuners. I've tried elimination of household interference, etc. without effect Short term answer for you may be to acquire a decent PVR (perhaps borrow friends' first to see what might work). Else we await 2012 or seek Crystal Palace.
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Friday, 8 April 2011
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kieran r11:37 AM
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ok my freeview box keeps comeing up saying no signal and is having problems with gulliford to i have upgraded my cables and aerial and mabe the digi box to
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Saturday, 9 April 2011
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Mike Dimmick3:18 PM
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I've checked out the work that's been going on. Analogue services have returned to the new main antenna, and the temporary analogue antenna has been removed. The radio antennas that were removed to allow the temporary to be fitted have been replaced.
The radio panels and the site of the temporary aerial are directly below the digital panels, so it's possible power was reduced while this was being done.
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Sunday, 10 April 2011
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john burch7:32 PM
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Over the last week my signal on channel 50 from Hannington deteriorates during the day, all other channels are perfect and all have been perfect since last September/October, i.e during the winter. My postcode is RG40 4PT, is this caused by spring & trees blossoming & if so why only this channel
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Mike Dimmick11:22 PM
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john burch: The clear conditions have allowed signals to bounce off the atmosphere that normally would be blocked by the terrain and the horizon. It's likely to be strong analogue signals from Sutton Coldfield or from Dover.
Your prediction is currently for poor coverage. This is because Hannington currently transmits very little signal to the east, in order to protect Guildford's analogue coverage (the digital signals at Hannington use the same channels as the analogue signals from Guildford). The situation should improve dramatically at switchover, as services move to the main antenna, which broadcasts in all directions - the probability of good reception rises from 34% to 96%, 98% by the end of 2012.
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Wednesday, 13 April 2011
I have noticed that the analogue time code from the BBc has stuck on 27th march 2011.
Those that still have analogue recording equipment are finding that their 'auto clock' function is setting them to the wrong date.
I have checked a couple of machines on Crystal Palace and they don't seem to have the same problem.
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Thursday, 14 April 2011
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Francis Farrar6:37 PM
Camberley
MUX 2 Hannington & Crystal Palace both exhibit reasonable signal levels but very high bit error rates - suspect the common signals feeding these multiplexes are faulty in both instances. The result of this is that reception from these multiplexes is likely to be poor except close to the transmitters.
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Mike Dimmick7:26 PM
Francis Farrar: The signals feeding these transmitters are *not* common. They carry different regional variations of ITV1 and ITV1 +1, and different adverts on C4 and C5.
High bit error rates are simply because there is terrain blocking clear line of sight to Crystal Palace, and Hannington's low-power DTT radiation pattern is heavily restricted to the east - to protect Guildford's analogue coverage area (it uses the same channels).
At switchover, Hannington services will move to the omnidirectional antenna at the top of the mast.
Digital UK's postcode checker actually shows no prediction for you from Hannington until switchover starts, and poor on most multiplexes from Crystal Palace (the others show no prediction).
There's nothing wrong with the transmissions: you're just not in the coverage area.
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Saturday, 16 April 2011
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Mark G7:11 PM
Camberley
I am in Camberley, and despite this being theoretically out of range, with a quality amplified roof antenna I had near-perfect reception on all muxes from 2007 until last month. I assume something has changed during the recent maintenance - certainly Mux 2 is now unavailable for me, and even Mux 1 (the strongest I have) is not perfect.
I am hopeful that there is still something happening that will be 'corrected' soon, otherwise it will be a long wait until the switchover...
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Sunday, 17 April 2011
Mark G: You should get Mux 1 and A OK until switchover, but you will not get a decent service until Wednesday 22nd February 2012 and even then you are going to have to wait for 4th April 2012 for the commercial multiplexes to be at full power.
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Mark G1:40 PM
Camberley
Hi Briantist,
Do you know why this is so? As I posted, I had perfect reception for the last 3 years - despite theoretically being 'out of area'. Certainly nothing local (trees etc), and too much of a coincidence that I have a problem as others post similar issues...
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Monday, 18 April 2011
Mark G: It could be the effect of shifting signals caused by other regions going though their switchover, or it could just be a coincidence and you have equipment failure.
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Gary11:19 AM
Hook
I cannot get a decent signal quality on Mux2 from Hannington, signal strength is good greater than 90% but quality is just 5% All other Muxes and analog appear OK. What could be causing this? Could interference from another transmitter eg Guildford give me problems on just the one mux?
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Gary: You are not predicted to get Multiplex 2 reception until next year. The signal is too weak.
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Gary4:56 PM
Hook
Yes, but why is the signal strenth reported as high, usually 100% but the quality so low?
Thanks
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Gary: It is the quality indication that is important, not the signal strength. Your amplification may be fooling the circuits into thinking there is a digital carrier, but all you have is noise.
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Mark G7:47 PM
Camberley
Hi Gary,
Did Mux 2 work for you previously? If so, you're suffering the same as me - I am convinced something has changed recently for this Mux from Hannington. As Briantist said above, could be a consequence of other switchovers, but I'm thinking it also could be related to recent engineering work, perhaps something subtle changed at the mast for this Mux, even perhaps relating to the already-present 'null' which maybe now harsher for this than others Muxes...
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Tuesday, 19 April 2011
Mark G: Just to be picky for a moment, there is not such thing as a "null" - most digital transmitters have radiation patterns, and these are subtly configured in one or five degree steps.
The ones that are not "state secrets" are shown on the BBC FOI transmitter data - first draft | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice page.
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Mark G11:17 AM
Camberley
Thanks Briantist - I didn't know that! Any idea why the ones there are 'public' yet Hannington does seem to be 'secret'?
Looks like each channel is configured independently, so maybe for other switchover-related reasons they purposefully adjusted the pattern for Mux 2. I noticed on the postcode prediction that there are some 'change' events later this year, that don't materially change my reception prediction - any idea what they are?
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Mike Dimmick2:51 PM
Mark G: It's not possible to change radiation patterns independently on an aerial. If the radiation pattern is significantly different for different channels, it's because a different aerial or set of aerials is used, or lower power levels feeding one element relative to the others. That's not going to be at all common after switchover. It might be slightly different on different channels using the same aerials and same power levels if they've taken account of how the aerial's radiation pattern changes with frequency, but that's a fundamental characteristic of the aerial's design, not something that can be tuned.
All digital transmissions from Hannington come from the panels just below the top of the mast. They're mounted on the north-west corner and are three sets of panels, pointing due west, slightly west of north, and slightly west of due south. The panels' radiation patterns are quite wide but not much beyond 90° - and the mast itself is in the way.
The changes so far for switchover have entailed replacing the top aerial used currently for analogue, and for digital after switchover, possibly changing how much analogue signal you're receiving. High signal levels can overload amplifiers and the gain control components in the tuner, which cause a problem called intermodulation or cross-modulation - parts of a signal on one channel getting copied into nearby channels. (It doesn't damage the amp, but it distorts the signals.) These intermodulation products cause extra noise. If you have an amp or booster, try removing it - reception is going to be difficult because of Guildford analogue anyway, and the amp will amplify Guildford analogue as much as it amplifies Hannington digital.
The reception change events are due to other distant transmitters switching over and either beginning to use those frequencies for the first time, releasing them, or using them for digital rather than analogue.
The change to channel 40 (Mux A) in September is likely to be Sutton Coldfield's switchover - currently it carries BBC Two analogue on C40 and on 21 September, it becomes the high-power HD multiplex. Despite the maximum power being only one-fifth the maximum power of analogue, digital signals do more harm to one another and that's reflected in Gary's prediction - a drop of 2% in probability.
You're further to the south-east, so your reception is affected more by fringe reception of Sandy Heath. Belmont's switchover on 17 August frees up C48 so ArqB at Sandy Heath can then move to that frequency on 14 September. Sandy Heath has to wait until Hemel Hempstead Mux 1 gets out of the way (also on 14 September), which presumably can't happen until after Sutton Coldfield/Emley Moor DSO 1.
This is all in order to improve ArqB on C48, which has no direct impact on Hannington. On the same day, Sandy Heath Mux C moves from C40 to C67 (where ArqB had just come from). This is for the reciprocal impact on BBC B at Sutton Coldfield.
The improvement on Mux 1 (C50) in September is more straightforward: Sutton Coldfield stops using it (currently C4 analogue). It then deteriorates again in November when Tacolneston starts using it for ArqB. I'm not sure whether it starts at lower power and increases to full power in 2012, or whether that change is due to the DTT clearance programme, which moves transmitters from C62 to C50 in order to release C62 for mobile phones.
You're probably thinking that these transmitters are a long way off, and they are - over the horizon, mostly. Signals still bounce off the atmosphere, particularly at night, and when the weather conditions are right. The DUK predictor tries to take account of all this. Besides, just because a signal is not strong enough to watch doesn't mean it isn't strong enough to interfere.
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Mark G5:43 PM
Camberley
Mike,
Thank you so much for your incredibly helpful and very interesting post. That's exactly the info I was interested to know about the changes coming over the next year.
More importantly - I'd never even thought of turning down the gain on my variable mast amp. I just did that, and magically I now have good quality reception on all muxes, with a very strong signal on the recently unreceivable Mux 2! Oddly, back in 2007 I had pretty rough reception without strong amplification, so I guess other things have changed in the meanwhile. Looks like I was indeed getting analogue overload somehow after the recent Hannington mast improvements.
Many thanks for all the help here - much appreciated. I'll try later completely removing the amp (I just turned down the gain a bit for now) - but am conscious that when it's not beautifully sunny I may need just a little amplification anyway.
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e allott9:52 PM
Dreadfully weak signal tonight (Meridian) in the BN7 area (Lewes).
Does anyone know why? We have no digital - just analogue transmission to aerial in roof.
We are getting black lines, sound breaks and frozen picture plus 'no signal' or 'weak signal' flashes on a black screen. It has been going on since 8 pm this evening and continuing (it is now almost 10 pm). Other channels (BBC 1, 2 and Ch 4 are unaffected)
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TimothTim11:20 PM
Hi I am having trouble setting up my freeview bow to see all the channels. I can easily get the 5 analogue channels but the only digital ones I get are the itv3, 5 usa band. I have tried manually searching for the frequencies and multiplexes but still no signal. I live at RG21 is there something wrong with my antenna our is there another problem
Thanks
Tim
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Wednesday, 20 April 2011
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JohnFol10:58 AM
Reading
I bought my first reeview HD box 8 days ago. Tuned in perfectly and HD works a treat. Now when I switch to HD, the EPG shows it, but there is no display. Rescanned the channels and now they do not show up. Not sure if this is a transmitter issue, or down to the new box so any adice greatly received
Post code is rg10 9tt, and I believe I am on Hannington. I did write down the BBC1 details of 16qam, LCN1 and 506000kHz
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Gary12:46 PM
Hook
I did notice the Mux2 problems starting a while back (too far to remember accurately) but suspect during the last re-tune. Before that I had reasonable reception. I have tried removing the amp completely, the signal strength drops a little, but the quality is then showing 0% however from a 'viewing' perspective there is no real change. Strangely last night (around 8pm) there was almost no break up of ITV1 yet the quality was still 5% - I can't remember the last time we had it so good :-). However today it's breaking up again. As I am only about 10 miles from Hannington, would it be worth trying to attenuate my signal - or should I just wait until April 2012?
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Mike Dimmick1:59 PM
JohnFol: You're actually using the Crystal Palace transmitter. Hannington does not yet transmit HD signals. Results for HD services are expected to be variable at that postcode - they're half the power of the other digital transmissions from Crystal Palace.
The prediction for Hannington is poorer than that for Crystal Palace at that address. I'd stick with CP.
HD service will not improve noticeably until Crystal Palace completes switchover on 18 April next year.
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Gary: You are not predicted to get a stable D3+4 (aka Mux 2) signal until Wednesday 22nd February 2012.
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Thursday, 21 April 2011
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Tim8:26 PM
Basingstoke
my post code is RG21 4HP
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The Norn Hill area is ok for digital provided you have a good outside aerial. If you haven't then that is likely to be your problem.
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Friday, 22 April 2011
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Tim9:54 PM
Basingstoke
ok thanks
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Saturday, 30 April 2011
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Peter10:42 PM
Yeah bank holiday paid fot tv license.
Top of the range Sony led.
And ?
Fuc.... haninngton low signal in Andover.
Whats going on this is like back 30years ago.
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Tuesday, 3 May 2011
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Mark peterson2:14 PM
Camberley resident. Free view signal strength down at 20db, analogue 50-60db. Arial company suggests waiting till cutover as he suggests signal strength on dig will then be up at analogue levels (masked due to overlap with Guildford?). They suggest investing in new arial/amp would be expensive, may only be 80 percent effective as analogue may then swamp digital). Does this all make sense, is cutover feb 2012 or apr/may? Will digital strength then be 'turned up'?
Thanks for the advice
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Mike Dimmick4:15 PM
Mark Peterson: Yes, this is expected. Hannington's current digital signals are restricted to the east - the aerial panels are mounted on the north-west corner of the mast and they point south, west and north. So while the maximum ERP of Freeview transmissions from Hannington is only 11 dB down on maximum analogue transmissions, that only applies in the served sector.
We don't know exactly what the limits are on Hannington's radiation pattern, but the levels you're getting do sound about right. A new aerial might give you the extra 10 dB of gain - it's always preferable to upgrade the aerial before adding amplification. Replacing the cables may also reduce the loss between the aerial and the TV, and reduce the amount of noise picked up.
They're right to warn about too much signal. It causes a problem called intermodulation, where the signal is distorted, causing frequency-shifted copies of the stronger signals to be created. The strongest 'intermodulation products' appear in adjacent channels. It's generally considered that keeping analogue signal levels below 80 dBuV is enough to prevent intermodulation. I believe the recommended digital limit of 65 dBuV is based on the average difference between analogue and digital levels.
At switchover, the digital services move to the unrestricted main antenna at the top of the mast, because they will no longer clash with Guildford primary services (as they take over Hannington's analogue frequencies).
The switchover dates are now final: 8 February and 22 February 2012. On the 8th, low-power Mux 1 and BBC Two analogue are switched off, and high-power BBC A launches from the main antenna. On the 22nd, all remaining analogue and low-power digital services are switched off and replaced by their high-power digital equivalents.
The commercial multiplexes will stay at 20 kW until Guildford switches over on the 4th and 18th of April. It's possible they won't move to the main antenna until these dates.
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Mike Dimmick4:19 PM
I should add that Hannington digital is already very powerful - for the served sector - relative to the analogue signal levels, and to post-switchover power levels. The PSB muxes will only increase 4 dB and the COM muxes only 1 dB. The current low-power Mux C and D increase by 3 dB in June, from 10 kW to 20 kW, I believe to reduce problems when Sudbury switches over in July.
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Thursday, 19 May 2011
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David Williams4:16 PM
Hi, can you please tell me why so many people in the Basingstoke area have a much weaker signel and a higher error rate on the CH43 ITV MUX2 compared to CH50 BBC or other digital channels?
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David Williams: Please see Freeview modes | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice .
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Saturday, 28 May 2011
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Dave M11:28 PM
Hook
Post code RG27 0AY , signal was always weak on all digital freeview channels with ariel pointing towards Hannington S/SW from location), trying to install TV with built in freeview but not picking up any digital channels at all. Can get very fuzzy analogue channels , external ariel was erected December 10. Any ideas on how to get something ???
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Monday, 30 May 2011
Dave M, in Hook you are more likely to get Freeview from London until the switchover next year. Reception in Hook however is not guaranteed so you could spend out on a large high gain aerial and amplifier to no avail. The trees around your immediate locality are also a problem. Only way to guarantee reception is with Freesat and a dish.
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