Full Freeview on the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmitter
Brian Butterworth first published this on - UK Free TV
Google Streetview | Google map | Bing map | Google Earth | 51.424,-0.076 or 51°25'26"N 0°4'32"W | SE19 1UE |
The symbol shows the location of the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmitter which serves 4,490,000 homes. The bright green areas shown where the signal from this transmitter is strong, dark green areas are poorer signals. Those parts shown in yellow may have interference on the same frequency from other masts.
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Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.
64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
DTG-12 QSPK 8K 3/4 8.0Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)
Which Freeview channels does the Crystal Palace transmitter broadcast?
If you have any kind of Freeview fault, follow this Freeview reset procedure first.Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.
64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
DTG-12 QSPK 8K 3/4 8.0Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)
Which BBC and ITV regional news can I watch from the Crystal Palace transmitter?
BBC London 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London W1A 1AA, 12km north-northwest (335°)
to BBC London region - 55 masts.
ITV London News 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London WC1X 8XZ, 11km north-northwest (345°)
to ITV London region - 55 masts.
Are there any self-help relays?
Charlton Athletic | Transposer | Redeveloped north stand Charlton Athletic Football Club | 130 homes |
Deptford | Transposer | south-east London | 100 homes |
Greenford | Transposer | 12 km N Heathrow Airport | 203 homes |
Hendon | Transposer | Graham Park estate | 50 homes |
White City | Transposer | 9 km W central London | 80 homes |
How will the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmission frequencies change over time?
1950s-80s | 1984-97 | 1997-98 | 1998-2012 | 2012-13 | 21 Mar 2018 | ||||
VHF | A K T | A K T | A K T | A K T | W T | ||||
C1 | BBCtvwaves | ||||||||
C22 | ArqA | ArqA | |||||||
C23 | ITVwaves | ITVwaves | ITVwaves | BBCA | BBCA | ||||
C25 | SDN | SDN | |||||||
C26 | BBC1waves | BBC1waves | BBC1waves | D3+4 | D3+4 | ||||
C28 | -ArqB | ArqB | |||||||
C29 | LW | ||||||||
C30 | C4waves | C4waves | C4waves | -BBCB | BBCB | ||||
C33 | BBC2waves | BBC2waves | BBC2waves | com7 | |||||
C35 | com8 | ||||||||
C55tv_off | com7tv_off | ||||||||
C56tv_off | COM8tv_off |
tv_off Being removed from Freeview (for 5G use) after November 2020 / June 2022 - more
Table shows multiplexes names see this article;
green background for transmission frequencies
Notes: + and - denote 166kHz offset; aerial group are shown as A B C/D E K W T
waves denotes analogue; digital switchover was 4 Apr 12 and 18 Apr 12.
How do the old analogue and currrent digital signal levels compare?
Analogue 1-4 | 1000kW | |
SDN, ARQA, ARQB, BBCA, D3+4, BBCB | (-7dB) 200kW | |
com7 | (-13.7dB) 43.1kW | |
com8 | (-14dB) 39.8kW | |
Mux 1*, Mux 2*, Mux A*, Mux B*, Mux C*, Mux D*, LW | (-17dB) 20kW |
Local transmitter maps
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Tuesday, 27 November 2012
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Andrew3:22 PM
Ashford
Is the CP transmitter currently undergoing servicing or something. The signal in TW15 is terrible for a London transmitter. And, before you suggest it, I have had good to fair reception, before. Do I need an attenuator for a too high signal strength or is the signal just lousy ?
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Monday, 3 December 2012
Hi,
I have fitted a brand new 48 element High Gain aerial into my loft. I am pointing to Crystal Palace from BR7 6PT. All other aerials are pointing in same direction.
I have a 2-way f-plug splitter just after the aerial serving 2 rooms in my flat using new satellite grade cable.
One TV will only tune into the BBC channels (new Sony) and the other TV (Samsung) will rarely tune to any channels, but occasionally picks up the ITV group. Never gets BBC though.
Someone said to me that my signal may be too strong being so close to Crystal Palace and of course a high gain aerial would not help.
Anyone offer me any trouble shooting please apart from the usual checks of connections etc.
Thanks
Bill
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BillNick's: mapB's Freeview map terrainB's terrain plot wavesB's frequency data B's Freeview Detailed Coverage
BillNick: On the face of it, unless the area is known for signal issues such as because there is a building in the way, then too high a signal level does appear to be a likely possibility. Generally speaking, Crystal Palace aerials used for former analogue should be fine.
See:
Freeview signals: too much of a good thing is bad for you | ukfree.tv - 10 years of independent, free digital TV advice
If the high-gain aerial is a wideband one, then it won't be so "high" gain on the channels used by Crystal Palace. This is because the gain of an aerial varies across the range of frequencies/channels and for yagi types (which it is likely to be) the gain is always lower on lower channels.
See:
Crystal Palace Transmitter
Crystal Palace Transmitter #WrongAerialForCrystalPalace
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BillNick
8:03 PM
8:03 PM
Thanks Dave.
I have looked into the signal levels using the manual tune function on my telly.
CH22 and CH23 are coming through over 75 level and 100 quality.
CH25 wont tune
CH26 is at 60 level and zero quality
CH28 is under 10 level and around 20 quality.
Any suggestions having seen these results? I am using a sideband high gain aerial pointing to Crystal Palace. (51.4529,0.0972)
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KMJ,Derby9:01 PM
BillNick: The problem could be the position of the aerial is one where the signal is messy, that is subject to multiple reflections which the receiver is unable to decode. Try moving the aerial a short distance to either side if space permits. Also try pointing it the wrong way, so the signal is received from behind the aerial and observe the signal strength/quality for each mux.
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BillNick: You could try the suggestion by KMJ,Derby. Or it could be too high signal strength, in which case you need an attenuator.
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Tuesday, 4 December 2012
Thanks guys. I think I may have 'messy' signal. I woke up this morning and BBC, which was up to 100% signal last night, was only at 40% level and under 10% quality this morning!
Is the only thing I can do here, move the aerial? Would it help to swap out the Wideband aerial I got to a dedicated A group aerial?
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BillNick's: mapB's Freeview map terrainB's terrain plot wavesB's frequency data B's Freeview Detailed Coverage
BillNick: I suggest that you fit an attenuator to reduce the signal level. For example, type f attenuator into eBay for attenuators with f-connectors that will fit onto your splitter.
I'm not sure what level you might need. A variable one will allow adjustment.
If the wideband aerial, which isn't as effective for Crystal Palace as on higher channels, is providing too high a signal level, then there is no real need to replace it with a Group A aerial.
With digital reception there is a lower threshold over which the signal level must be in order to show a picture (assuming good quality signal). Increasing the level doesn't make the picture quality better. For this reason, don't try to get the strength as near 100% as possible.
There is also a top threshold for the level over which it is likely to over whelm the tuner. This can produce what you've described: the signal level and quality dropping sometimes jumping up and down.
The point is that once you've got a signal that is too high, the quality is likely to go. It is a bit like turning the sound up on a hifi above that which the speakers can work at; the sound becomes hideously distorted (poor quality sound).
Of course there are slight variations that occur such as due to the weather and you don't want them to push it OTT, as perhaps could have happened with BBC this morning.
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Dave: Ok I follow now. I was worried the Attenuator wouldn't help having seen poor signal/quality for BBC this morning.
I have a variable 0-20db attenuator ready to go. Fitting is easy, but How do I go about tuning and choosing the right attenuation? Should I start at -20db, do a tune and see what I get?
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BillNick's: mapB's Freeview map terrainB's terrain plot wavesB's frequency data B's Freeview Detailed Coverage
Also some do and do not allow DC power pass....does this affect my choice of attenuator?
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BillNick's: mapB's Freeview map terrainB's terrain plot wavesB's frequency data B's Freeview Detailed Coverage
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